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From: mitra, [DNS_Address]
Subject: And even yet,
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I have relatives that think Trump was great for the economy, hot summer temps not seen in 100,000 years are normal, severe weather events are cyclic and global warming is disproven in the first ice storm. Oh, and the oldest fossils are 6000 years old. And they vote. So yeah, I'm hoping Kamala wins, but there are a lot of people who won't be voting for Democracy. |
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From: The Hierophant, [DNS_Address]
Subject: Re: And even yet,
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they are off in their own little worlds of a form of insanity and you just have to smile and step away.... |
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From: mitra, [DNS_Address]
Subject: Re: And even yet,
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A judicious choice. |
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From: Chuckles, [DNS_Address]
Subject: Re: And even yet,
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Went hiking yesterday in the Sierra and if I didn't no any better, I could of sworn that it felt and looked like December as it was blustery and snowing. |
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From: mitra, [DNS_Address]
Subject: Prepare for early winter
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From Ohio, walnut leaves are turning early. Fruiting trees weeks ahead here. Snow in the Pacific Northwest. |
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From: Chuckles, [DNS_Address]
Subject: Re: Prepare for early winter
URL: https://www.cpc.ncep.noaa.gov/products/precip/CWlink/ENSO/composites/lanina.jfm.precip.gif
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Here's some charts on LA Nina for the U.S.! Looks like the Northwest is already experiencing some cooler rains. Here in the North Central Sierra, El Nino or LA Nina can go either way as we're on the cusp or border of the storms that come in. In some LA Nina's, we can be dry as the bulk of the storms are just north, or just south as like last winter with El Nino where we come out about average. But then again, nobody can predict what will happen, as some years our area gets hammered with storms that can dump copious amounts of snow with ten feet or more of snow just with one storm, and have a series of storms sweep in afterwards. |
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From: mitra, [DNS_Address]
Subject: Re: Prepare for early winter
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I have spent my entire life avoiding that kind of weather, and look with great respect upon those can handle it |
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From: ryan, [DNS_Address]
Subject: Re: Prepare for early winter
| lol...after 25 years in minnesota, i moved to cali and never looked back... |
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From: Chuckles, [DNS_Address]
Subject: Re: Prepare for early winter
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I've meant many people over the years who moved to the Sierra and ended up leaving due to the heavy snows. Hard to believe I've been in the area for 30 years, and it has kept me in shape not only physically, but mentally and spiritually being able to hike the steep mountains around here, along with shoveling tons of snow in those 30 years. I don't blame you for trying avoid the cold snows, the high mountains of Panama sound better and better with each passing winter. |
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From: ryan, [DNS_Address]
Subject: Re: Prepare for early winter
| la nina forming in the atlantic also... |
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From: Chuckles, [DNS_Address]
Subject: Re: Prepare for early winter
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Apparently so! Didn't expect this to happen until next year. From what I was reading in another article was that north-east of South America and parts of Africa could experience more rain for those areas. |
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From: ryan, [DNS_Address]
Subject: Re: Prepare for early winter
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Atlantic Niña on the verge of developing. Here's why we should pay attention. By Franz Philip Tuchen (Cooperative Institute For Marine And Atmospheric Studies) Published August 14, 2024 Average sea surface temperatures in June-July 2024 compared to the 1982-2023 average (with any long-term warming signal removed), showing the cool waters along the equator that might become an Atlantic Niña event. The black box outlines the specific area used for monitoring Atlantic Niños and Niñas. NOAA Climate.gov image, adapted from original by Franz Philip Tuchen. If you’re a regular reader of Climate.gov’s ENSO blog, then you know that scientists have been carefully observing how the Pacific Ocean is changing from El Niño’s warmer-than-average conditions earlier this year to expected cooler-than-average La Niña conditions by late summer. But as it happens, something similar might be cooking this summer in the Atlantic Ocean. Much of the North Atlantic has been extremely warm so far this year. In contrast, since the beginning of June, sea surface temperature (SST) in the central equatorial Atlantic has been 0.5–1.0 degrees Celsius (0.9–1.8 degrees Fahrenheit) colder than average for this time of the year. If these cold conditions persist to the end of August, a phenomenon known as Atlantic Niña may be declared. But what is Atlantic Niña, and what could it mean for weather and climate around the tropical Atlantic? What is Atlantic Niña (and Niño)? Atlantic Niña is the cold phase of a natural climate pattern we call the Atlantic zonal mode. (Zonal means “along lines of latitude.”) This pattern, just like ENSO (El Niño-Southern Oscillation), swings between cold and warm phases every few years. Typically, sea surface temperatures in the eastern equatorial Atlantic have a somewhat surprising seasonal cycle. The warmest waters of the year occur in spring, while the coolest waters of the year—below 25 degrees Celsius, or 77 degrees Fahrenheit—occur from July to August. Line graph showing how equatorial Atlantic temperatures peak in spring and cool off in summer Monthly average sea surface temperature in the eastern equatorial Atlantic between 1982-2023 (black) and during 2024 (red and blue markers). Red colors indicate warmer than normal waters, while blue colors indicate colder than normal waters. The gray area represents the ±0.5 degrees Celsius (±0.9 degrees Fahrenheit) threshold that needs to be exceeded in order to qualify as an Atlantic Niño/Niña. Image by Franz Philip Tuchen. This summer cooling is because of winds that act on the ocean surface. Earth has a year-round rainfall band around the tropics. Driven by stronger solar heating, this rainfall band migrates northward during the summer in the Northern Hemisphere. The regular rainstorms draw in air from the southeast over the equatorial Atlantic. These steady southeasterly winds are strong enough to drag surface waters away from the equator, which brings relatively cold water from deeper ocean layers to the surface. This process, known as equatorial upwelling, forms a tongue of relatively cold water along the equatorial Atlantic during the summer months. Map showing normal Atlantic ocean temperatures near the equator in July July average sea surface temperatures in the central Atlantic Ocean, showing the tongue of relatively cool water—relative to the rest of the tropical North Atlantic—that develops along the equator in the east. NOAA Climate.gov image, based on data from Coral Reef Watch project. Click here for explanation of the CoralTemp climatology. However, every few years this cold tongue is substantially warmer or colder than average due to swings of the Atlantic zonal mode. Cold events are referred to as Atlantic Niñas; warm events are referred to as Atlantic Niños. The exact definitions vary, but typically, 3-month averaged sea surface temperature anomalies in the eastern equatorial Atlantic have to exceed ±0.5 degrees Celsius (± 0.9 degrees Fahrenheit) for at least two overlapping seasons in order to qualify as an Atlantic Niño or Niña. 2024 to date 2024 began with extremely warm sea surface temperatures in the eastern equatorial Atlantic during February to March, when temperatures exceeded 30 degrees Celsius (86 degrees Fahrenheit). This was the strongest warm event since 1982. Equally remarkable was the rapid transition from warm to cold SST anomalies. Never before in the observed record* has the eastern equatorial Atlantic swung so quickly from one to another extreme event. [*Edited on August 22, 2024, to add "in the observed record"]. (left) Monthly sea surface temperatures compared to average in the key Atlantic Niño/Niña monitoring region between January 1982 and July 2024 (with any long-term warming signal removed). The 2024 Atlantic Niño was the strongest (highest red bar) since 1982. (right) Temperatures in the eastern equatorial Atlantic were just shy of the Niña threshold in July 2024. Surprisingly, the observed cold anomalies in the eastern equatorial Atlantic during June/July 2024 coincide with a weakening of the southeasterly trade winds near the equator. Relaxed equatorial winds are usually associated with reduced upwelling and warm anomalies. Map of central Atlantic showing cool temperatures at equator along with the anomalous northwesterly wind influence in summer 2024 One of the puzzling things about the potential Atlantic Niña event is that the winds have not been especially favorable for upwelling across the key monitoring region (black box). This summer, the area has experienced an unusual northwesterly influence (gray arrows) that has weakened the normal southeasterly trade winds that favor upwelling of cool, deep water at the equator. Only south of 5 degrees South were the southeasterly trade winds stronger than usual. As of now, these atmosphere-ocean conditions, apparently unfavorable for the developing Atlantic Niña event, are quite perplexing. We will need to dig deeper to reveal the exact causes of this seemingly unusual event. 0.5 degrees Celsius? Why does it matter? One might think that a temperature difference of ±0.5 degrees Celsius (± 0.9 degrees Fahrenheit) in the tropical Atlantic does not seem like a big deal, but this difference can have a huge impact on rainfall over the surrounding continents. Reduced rainfall over the Sahel region, increased rainfall over the Gulf of Guinea, and seasonal shifts of the rainy season in northeastern South America have all been attributed to Atlantic Niño events. Plus, Atlantic Niños have been shown to increase the likelihood of powerful hurricanes developing near the Cape Verde islands. NOAA’s seasonal forecast of above-normal 2024 hurricane activity is based in part* on expected La Niña conditions in the equatorial Pacific and warm ocean temperatures in the tropical North Atlantic. It will be interesting to monitor whether this Atlantic Niña fully develops, and if so, whether it has a dampening effect on hurricane activity as the season progresses. [Edited on August 22, 2024, to add "in part".] We’ll be keeping an eye on this event in coming weeks, and will have a follow-up post later this month letting you know whether an Atlantic Niña fully developed. We’ll also go over some of the hypotheses scientists have for what triggers these events and how their frequency might be affected over the coming century by human-caused global warming. Stay tuned! |
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From: Chuckles, [DNS_Address]
Subject: Re: Prepare for early winter
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Yep, definitely something to keep an eye on! |
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From: Chuckles, [DNS_Address]
Subject: Newly Released Weather Pattern Charts Today
| At link! |
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From: Redhart, [DNS_Address]
Subject: Re: Prepare for early winter
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seeing the same signs here..Elms are already turning color, buzzards are gathering (they do this before migrating) and the nights have suddenly cooled off. Seeing more deer out back..that happens when they start coming into season, or rut. couple weeks early on all of that stuff, which you usually start seeing sept. |
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From: ryan, [DNS_Address]
Subject: Re: Prepare for early winter
| record setting rains up here in august...usually rain comes much later. in the year.. |
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