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From: Redhart, [DNS_Address]
Subject: Mass grave found of possible "New Human" species ancestor
URL: http://news.nationalgeographic.com/2015/09/150910-human-evolution-change/
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JOHANNESBURG – Scientists in South Africa working at Moropeng, the site located just outside of Johannesburg and known as the "Cradle of Humankind," have discovered a mass underground grave containing the remains of hundreds of individuals from what they say is an entirely new species of the human family. “I give you a new species of human - ‘homo naledi,’” said Professor Lee Berger, head of the paleontology team at University of the Witwatersrand in Johannesburg, and leader of the discovery team. The species' brains were a third of the size of today’s humans but they stood like us, and had similar feet and hands, although their fingers were elegantly curved. This new species, Berger said, should be placed as an early humanoid just before the time of homo sapiens. The species could date back as far as 2.8 million years, according to experts. "History books will have to be rewritten.” - Cyril Ramaphosa, deputy president of SAouth Africa South Africa’s deputy president Cyril Ramaphosa told Fox News Thursday that “history books will have to be rewritten” due to the discovery, which was made in a subterranean chamber by a team of 60 so-called "underground astronauts." The archaeologists have come across 1,500 fossils - entire families of hundreds of early humans. The discovery of these fossils, believed by scientists to possibly be the largest group of individuals in fossil form ever found in one place anywhere in the world, was made in 2013. When the team of ‘astronauts’ was put together, only small - and thin - scientists were encouraged to apply. Archaeologists had to squeeze through a 10- inch wide gap between underground rocks - dubbed “Superman’s Crawl,” and go through a succession of caves, before finally making a vertical 10-yard drop to get into the now-named Dinaledi Chamber. At the entrance, they found 300 fossils, and in the chamber itself some 1,200 fossilized bones. After two years of keeping the discovery secret, the search is ongoing. "There are hundreds more fossils probably to be found,” said Berger..... (more at Fox news for this article, very in depth article at National Geographic link above) |
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From: marja, [DNS_Address]
Subject: Re: Mass grave found of possible "New Human" species...
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Redhart, -looking at the image you posted, -there are plenty of various tribes/beings on this very earth right now who look exactly like that image.... so maybe the " newly found " human species are the ones who have been here all along... |
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From: Jody/Concord,CA, [DNS_Address]
Subject: Re: Mass grave found of possible "New Human" species...
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I Know! I swear I've seen that guy before..just a different haircut ;) Blessings, Jody |
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From: sher, [DNS_Address]
Subject: Re: Mass grave found of possible "New Human" species...
URL: http://originals.clzimages.com/movie/banners/actors/original/df/df_81808_4_LouDiamondPhillips.jpg
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From: Jody/Concord,CA, [DNS_Address]
Subject: Re: Mass grave found of possible "New Human" species...
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Red, Are you aware of the work of Michael Tellinger of South Africa? He's a scientist, author and explorer who discovered "Adam's Calendar" and ancient circles that go way back to the early visits of the Anunnaki to Africa. His book is called "Slave Species of God" which purports a 'created species' was made to dig the gold out of the ground for these giants. Your post with picture could well be what their created beings looked like. They are found in the exact area of these ancient gold mines...probably not a coincidence! This species was only created to serve them so afterwards it looks like they just died...underground no less! --Another coincidence! I've linked a shot video of a 200,000 year old Giant footprint in granite that is 4 feet long! This Giant would've been 7 1/2 meters tall! Thanks for your post. Blessings, Jody |
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From: JTRIV, [DNS_Address]
Subject: Re: Mass grave found of possible "New Human" species...
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Hi Jody, > Are you aware of the work of Michael Tellinger of South Africa? He's a > scientist, author and explorer who discovered "Adam's Calendar" and > ancient circles that go way back to the early visits of the Anunnaki to > Africa. His book is called "Slave Species of God" which purports a 'created > species' was made to dig the gold out of the ground for these giants. Well first of all Michael Tellinger isn't a scientist. He is an author, songwriter and politician but in no way a scientist. His claim to fame is that he wrote a book based on the works of Zecharia Sitchin! And of course Zecharia Sitchin himself was an economist with no understanding of science or the ancient cultures he wrote about. Every single Sumerian scholar says that Nibiru was Marduk which was Jupiter to the Sumerians. In the video the guy claims the footprint is in granite... which can't happen because of the way granite forms. Comments aren't allowed on that YouTube video (no surprise there). Below is a response from a scientist regarding this particular video. A student sent me the video you see above. In it, a man highlights a South African geological curiosity. He says it is a giant footprint in rock that is somewhere between 200 million and 3 billion years old. He goes on to say that it is so amazing it should be drawing 20 million tourists to South Africa every year, but no one knows about it. He then takes you up a hill to the geological formation, and he shows you what appears to be a huge footprint in a wall of rock. The man points out the features of the “footprint,” and he ends the video with the statement, “There were giants on earth.” I had the privilege of visiting South Africa in 2004. It is an amazing country, and the people there are simply marvelous. I would strongly recommend it as a vacation destination. However, I wouldn’t put this site on my “top 20″ list of things you should see. While it is an interesting geological formation, it is almost certainly not a footprint. The first problem with the idea that it is a footprint comes from the type of rock in which it is found. The man in the video says that the rock is granite. Now, I am not a geologist, so I can’t be sure that the man is right, but the rock’s appearance is consistent with it being granite. Well, granite is an intrusive, igneous rock.1 What does that mean? An intrusive rock is one that is formed underground. An igneous rock is one that is formed from molten rock, such as magma. So if this rock is granite, there is no way it could harbor a footprint. The only time a foot could have sunk into it was when its temperature was several hundred degrees, and it was below the surface of the earth! Even if the rock isn’t granite, there are other features that indicate this formation is probably not a footprint. The man in the video makes much of a shelf of rock that is found at the “toes” of the “footprint.” In his mind, this was caused by the giant pulling his foot out of the “mud” into which it sank. This pulled up some of the “mud,” piling it at the “toes.” However, if you look at the size of the rock shelf, it seems almost as tall as the footprint is deep. Try making a footprint that piles mud in front of your toes as high as your footprint is deep. It’s difficult, to say the least. At minimum, I can say I haven’t seen such a structure on any human footprint that I have found on the beach or in the mud. I also haven’t seen one in any fossilized human footprints (see here, here, and here, for example). In addition, consider the size of the person needed to make the footprint. The man says the footprint is about 4 feet high. Well, a person’s foot length is about 15 percent of his or her height,2 so the person who left this footprint would have been about 27 feet tall! The Bible mentions giants, but it never mentions any that are close to 27 feet tall. The largest giant referenced in the Bible is probably Og, the king of Bashan (Deuteronomy 3:11). According to the Scripture, his bed was 9 cubits (13.5 feet) in length. Most beds are larger than their occupant, but only by a couple of feet. Thus, Og might have been as tall as 12 feet or so. The tallest giant whose actual height is mentioned is Goliath, and he was 6 cubits and a span, or about 9.7 feet tall (1 Samuel 17:4). In the end, the size of the person needed to make such a footprint seems to rule out the possibility that it is really a footprint. So what is this thing that is being interpreted as a giant footprint? It is most likely a strange shape that formed as a result of erosion. If you look throughout creation, you will find many examples of this, such as Roccia Dell’Orso (the bear rock). This granite formation is a tourist attraction in the Republic of Palau:  It is famous for being shaped a bit like a bear. However, it also demonstrates a common feature of granite that is exposed to erosion – cavernous holes that are technically called tafoni. Most likely, that’s what this “giant footprint” is. It is probably a tafone (singular of tafoni) that just happens to be shaped a lot like a human foot. Cheers Jim |
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From: Jody/Concord,CA, [DNS_Address]
Subject: Re: Mass grave found of possible "New Human" species...
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JTRIV, Wikipedia..really? Anybody can submit anything to them and they'll post it--unvetted. So basically, this is the pot calling the kettle black. As for height of Giants, they have been from 7'- 36' tall. Height is based on Gravity..our planet has a lot of Gravity so we are mostly under 6'5" tall. If a Giant is from another planet and comes here, he would be whatever that planet's Gravity would allow. We don't know where these Giants come from so I'm not assuming they are from 'here'. Ever look at ancient Egyptian architecture? It's built for GIANTS! Their art work showing the Pharaohs depict them much taller than the others around them, same for ancient Babylon. I don't believe it was to 'flatter' them either. They were depicted as they were; Long heads and very tall. As far as the footprint goes.. I respectfully disagree with you. I'd like to have Graham Hancock's opinion on that. Or Robert Schock's or John Anthony West's opinion. They are scientists who look at artifacts that do not fit the standard model of Archaeology. Even Michael Cremo, author of Forbidden Archaeology could shed light on this footprint and others like it. Today's Science is good but it's not the final word. Instead whatever science says is held like God's word until proven it's absolutely wrong.. then it's thrown out and the new theory is embraced. But, new ideas are not allowed in the face of science. Not because the ideas are wrong but because scientific dogma doesn't allow for it. Grant money would be withheld or a reputation could be ruined by stepping over that dogma. Our children's text books are very outdated scientifically yet may never catch up to the latest data. Most of what is taught has been disproved 20 years ago and yearly more scientific facts fall by the wayside as false. I'm undecided about this footprint yet I still disagree with you until somebody examines this closely. Blessings, Jody |
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From: JTRIV, [DNS_Address]
Subject: Re: Mass grave found of possible "New Human" species...
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Hi Jody, > Wikipedia..really? Only the bio of Michael Tellinger came from Wikipedia. Do you know who calls Tellinger a scientist? He does. He puts it in his biography everywhere even though he had done nothing to qualify as a scientist. The man does no research, doesn't use the scientific method. The man was a fan of Zecharia Sitchin writing a book about Sitchin's creative interpretations. Now he writes creative works about pretty much anything he can fit into the fictional history created by Sitchin. You know what I've always found odd? People who sneer at scientists are the same ones that support fakes calling themselves a "scientist" when the information these fakes put out aligns with what they already believe. I mean if you don't have any respect for science what does it really matter if this former musician and author is really a scientist? But it does matter which is why he calls himself a scientist and why when you responded to Redhart you called him a scientist. It matters... because really there are no scientists that believe this kind of stuff. Science is a process... critical thinking, the scientific method. And using these basic tools developed long ago no one could believe this stuff. > As far as the footprint goes.. I respectfully disagree with you. That is fine. We are all entitled to our opinions. But the giveaway was when Tellinger claimed the footprint was in granite. Geology 101 shows that couldn't happen. > I'd like to > have Graham Hancock's opinion on that. Or Robert Schock's or John > Anthony West's opinion. They are scientists who look at artifacts that do > not fit the standard model of Archaeology. Even Michael Cremo, author of > Forbidden Archaeology could shed light on this footprint and others like it. Actually none of that group are scientists in any way, shape or form. I'm sure you would like their opinions because I'm sure they would agree with you. You see there is no "standard model of Archaeology". As the article Red posted here on the Science board shows new discoveries are made that reshape our views of the past. That is the way science works. Contrast that with the way pseudoscience works where an idea is established then people write books and create videos trying the make evidence fit their preconceived notions about things. Dogma is a principle or set of principles laid down by an authority as incontrovertibly true. It serves as part of the primary basis of an ideology or belief system, and it cannot be changed or discarded without affecting the very system's paradigm, or the ideology itself. Now that definition doesn't fit science in any way. Science changes with new evidence and as shown in the article Red posted new evidence changes the scientific understanding. But it does fit pseudoscience and pseudoarchaeology pretty darn well. Because you won't find people like Michael Tellinger or Graham Hancock changing their views regardless of what new evidence comes in. We are all entitled to our opinions but there is a big difference between science and all these fakes, phonies and frauds who create their own universe that shares none of the traits of the world we live in. Cheers Jim |
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From: Jody/Concord,CA, [DNS_Address]
Subject: Re: Mass grave found of possible "New Human" species...
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Having a bad day? Using your favorite Wikipedia link; Robert M. Schoch; SCIENTIST. Go to link for his credentials. Blessings, Jody |
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From: JTRIV, [DNS_Address]
Subject: Re: Mass grave found of possible "New Human" species...
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Hi Jody, I stand corrected. I'm not familiar with Robert Schoch, although in reading about him I believe I did see the documentary on his Sphinx water erosion hypothesis. But Schoch is an interesting example. He is a scientist who has a hypothesis based on evidence. He feels water erosion shows the Sphinx is older than modern estimates. And they are estimates because no one knows who built the Sphinx or when. Schoch puts his estimate at several thousand years older that most estimates based on erosion. It isn't a well accepted hypothesis, it doesn't have a lot of support, but it is based on sound science. Contrast that with Michael Tellinger who is not a scientist who puts out a theory that basically makes no sense. He claims a giant footprint in granite which shows his failure to understand basic geology due to the way granite forms. Fossil footprints have been found in sedimentary rock.. but granite just doesn't work. Sedimentary rock is laid down as deposits of sediment and over time forms rock. Granite is formed deep within the Earth and couldn't have footprints. While both the Sphinx water erosion hypothesis and the 200 million year old giant footprint in granite both sound a bit "out there" only the Sphinx hypothesis is based on science. The giant footprint in granite idea comes from someone who believes in ancient giants but doesn't understand basic science. If you don't believe all the people saying Tellinger is wrong... why don't you E-mail Robert Schoch? His website at the link above provides how to contact Robert Schoch and he says he will try to reply to E-mails. You said you would like his opinion. But be warned... he has a degree in geology and will immediately know that footprints can't be formed in granite so he may not take your E-mail seriously. Cheers Jim |
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From: Jody/Concord,CA, [DNS_Address]
Subject: Re: Mass grave found of possible "New Human" species...
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Wow you went from intelligent to stupid in a heartbeat. Let's agree not to pester each other from now on okay? Enjoy your weekend, Blessings, Jody |
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From: Betty in Texas, [DNS_Address]
Subject: Re: Mass grave found of possible "New Human" species...
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You know Jodi, I mistakenly clicked on this board instead of WOWs and saw the back and forth with Bopp and you guys. I don't want to attack (and this is not meant that way Mr. Bopp) but I really am beginning to think that your adversary is a computer because he has the answer for everything...there isn't a subject that he is not an expert on and nobody should question his expertise or argue with his logic. In my opinion, there were GIANTS upon the face of the earth. I have been studying this phenomena for many years since I got interested in Rockwall, Texas. I also believe that many, many races of man have developed here on this planet over time. Some simply died out just as animal species go extinct, but yes, there are people in today's world who do resemble this man above. Genetic mixing of the races? Oh, and when you mention Giants, the government shills will come out and attack. Even though there is a gross amount of factual and fossil evidence for them, somebody wants to deny their existence on this planet. I have no earthly reason why. Betty |
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From: Jody/Concord,CA, [DNS_Address]
Subject: Re: Mass grave found of possible "New Human" species...
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Thanks Betty for your well stated post and I appreciate you taking the time to say this. We're living in a very straight-laced time that likes to regulate everything you think, do and say..almost like Victorian England! It doesn't allow for individualism nor facts about our world and it has become a parody of the ridiculous. You may be correct about the 'computer'.. just look at the Health board and the computer-driven spam there. Yes mere mention of Giants and the Smithsonian comes out to cart them away... :P Blessings, Jody |
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From: JTRIV, [DNS_Address]
Subject: Re: Mass grave found of possible "New Human" species...
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Hi Jody, > Wow you went from intelligent to stupid in a heartbeat. That was uncalled for. I was careful not to be insulting in any way and to provide factual information in my response to you. > Let's agree not to pester each other from now on okay? Isn't that what internet forums are all about? We respond to each other. We may not agree and we end a discussion agreeing to disagree but non-personal responses that are on topic are what forums are all about. > Enjoy your weekend, You too Jody. Cheers Jim |
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From: mr bopp, [DNS_Address]
Subject: Re: Mass grave found of possible "New Human" species...
URL: http://earthboppin.net/talkshop/tech/messages/4033.html
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i can't argue with your assessment jody, but please keep the personally directed commentary out of posts....i'm not worried about your behavior here but others tend to grumble that i'm not behaving fairly if i don't apply the rules in what they see as a standardized fashion...see link for details if you haven't seen it already... thanks |
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From: JTRIV, [DNS_Address]
Subject: Re: Mass grave found of possible "New Human" species...
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Hi Mr. Bopp, > i can't argue with your assessment jody, Hmmm... your comment sounds a bit personal and uncivil to me. Pretty much in line with your personal and uncivil post to me yesterday on skywatchers. Ever thought about leading my example? Your one line insults have set the tone for much of the bad behavior in these forums. > i'm not worried about your behavior here but others tend to grumble that i'm not behaving fairly if i don't > apply the rules in what they see as a standardized fashion Your comment shows that you aren't applying the rules fairly. Is there any doubt that if I said to Jody "you went from intelligent to stupid in a heartbeat" that I would be booted in a heartbeat? I think we all know the answer to that one. Cheers Jim |
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From: mr bopp, [DNS_Address]
Subject: Re: Mass grave found of possible "New Human" species...
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if you want to get booted jim, keep it up...as far as your comment to jody in your response to her, you probably make more personal attacks, veiled or otherwise, than anyone else on these boards (except perhaps rig and jim, and jim has a whole cadre of folks constantly giving him shit)...chew on that...it's all about judgements, and no one here has the right or knowledge to make them against others...it is up to me to try to reign in the uncontrolled rage and frustration that has taken over these boards by those who feel entitled and enlightened, in spite of the glaring transparency of their bullshit...i posted the definition of egomaniac on the space board in response to your belittling post that preceded it...so sure were you that your understanding of reality was the correct one...that conclusion has little or no basis in reality...you are a cruel, cold and calculating person and i have only tried to help you see that about yourself... cheers |
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From: JTRIV, [DNS_Address]
Subject: Re: Mass grave found of possible "New Human" species...
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Hi Mr. Bopp, > if you want to get booted jim, keep it up...as far as your comment to jody in your response to her, you > probably make more personal attacks, veiled or otherwise, than anyone else on these boards (except > perhaps rig and jim, and jim has a whole cadre of folks constantly giving him shit)... There was nothing in my response to Jody that was a personal attack. Go ahead, take a look. You may not agree with what I said but I certainly wasn't personal or insulting with her. If you are dying to boot me well boot me. But let's not pretend I'm making personal attacks on anyone. > chew on that...it's all about judgements, and no one here has the right or knowledge to make them against > others... As the saying goes: Everyone is entitled to his/her own opinion, but not his/her own facts. And I address the facts and don't make judgements on people. > it is up to me to try to reign in the uncontrolled rage and frustration that has taken over these boards > by those who feel entitled and enlightened, in spite of the glaring transparency of their bullshit... Again have you ever considered leading by example? > i posted the definition of egomaniac on the space board in response to your belittling post that > preceded it...so sure were you that your understanding of reality was the correct one...that > conclusion has little or no basis in reality... Actually pareidolia is a well known phenomenon from seeing faces or animals in clouds to seeing things in pictures returned from space probes. It wasn't belittling in any way. Pareidolia isn't a mental disease or disability... it's a common trait of the human brain. > you are a cruel, cold and clculating person and i have only tried to help you see that about yourself... I deal with facts and science and don't make things personal. You have attacked and trolled me since the days of Will's boards. You tried to help me? Please! Even you don't believe that. If you are dying to boot me then boot me.. but let's not pretend I'm making personal or uncivil comments. Cheers Jim |
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From: mr bopp, [DNS_Address]
Subject: Re: Mass grave found of possible "New Human" species...
| won't argue with that...see you in hell... |
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From: Listen'n2, [DNS_Address]
Subject: Re: Mass grave found of possible "New Human" species...
| "Entertainment value only" |
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From: Redhart, [DNS_Address]
Subject: Re: Mass grave found of possible "New Human" species...
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uh huh... from National Geographic, well known for it's satire (sarcasm here). suit yourself :) |
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