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From: horst graben, [DNS_Address]
Subject: information pertinent to catastrophic evidence in "Earth in Upheaval"
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some of the scientists quoted in "Earth in Upheaval" include the excerpts from the following: Aba, the Glory and the Torment: The Life of Dr. Immanuel Velikovsky by Ruth Velikovsky Sharon (1) G.A. Erman regarding anomalous findings on Liakhov Islands and the New Siberian Islands (2) Wilfrid Francis regarding the orgin of coal Earth in Upheaval by Immanuel Velikovsky (1) Whitley regarding anomalous findings on Kotelnoi Island in the Arctic Ocean (2) G.A. Erman regarding anomalous findings on Liakhov Islands, Kotelnoi Island, and the New Siberian Islands (3) Eduard von Toll regarding anomalous findings on the New Siberian Islands and Maloi Island (one of the Liakhov Islands) |
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From: JTRIV, [DNS_Address]
Subject: Re: and Googling New Siberian Islands you found .....
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Hi HG, Since I'm sure you did Google New Siberian Islands .... I'm curious what you found. After all it would seem likely that there has been much study these remote islands and the fossils. I'm also curious your position on Reverend D Gath Whitley. Do you think it is appropriate that Velikovsky quoted his 1910 paper considering Whitley never visited northern Siberia? I mean (spoiler alert!) we know there has been much written about the fossils of the New Siberian Islands, much of it prior to the publication of "Earth in Upheaval". Cheers Jim |
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From: Nasirah, [DNS_Address]
Subject: Re: and Googling New Siberian Islands you found .....
URL: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/New_Siberian_Islands#Geology
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Classic! Geology "As noted by Digby[9] and numerous later publications, this archipelago consists of a mixture of folded and faulted sedimentary and igneous rocks ranging in age from Precambrian to Pliocene. The Lyakhovsky Islands consist of a folded and faulted assemblage of Precambrian metamorphic rocks; upper Paleozoic to Triassic sandstones and shales; Jurassic to lower Cretaceous turbidites; Cretaceous granites; and ophiolites. The Anzhu Islands consist of a highly faulted and folded assemblage of Ordovician to Devonian limestones, dolomites, sandstones, shales, volcanoclastic strata, and igneous rocks; upper Paleozoic to Triassic sandstones and shales; Jurassic to lower Cretaceous turbidites; and upper Cretaceous to Pliocene sandstones and shales. The De Long Islands consist of early Paleozoic, middle Paleozoic, Cretaceous, and Neogene sedimentary and igneous, mostly basalt, rocks. These sedimentary, metamorphic, and igneous rocks are mantled by loose Pleistocene and Holocene sediments that range in thickness from a fraction of a meter to about 35 meters (115 feet).[10][11] Digby[9] also noted that some early papers published about the New Siberian Islands incorrectly describe them, often along with other Arctic islands (e.g. Wrangel Island), as being made either up almost entirely of mammoth bones and tusks or of ice, sand, and the bones of mammoths and other extinct megafauna. Some of these papers were written by persons (e.g. D. G. Whitney),[12] who had never visited the New Siberian Islands and relied upon anecdotes of traders and travelers and local folklore for their descriptions of them, and other articles were written by explorers and ivory hunters untrained in either geology or other sciences. Such statements have been shown to be fictional in nature by detailed studies of the geology of the New Siberian Islands by professional geologists, paleontologists, and other scientists.[2][3][10][11][13][14]" Ivory deposits As noted by Baron Eduard V. Toll[15] in his account of the New Siberian Islands, sizable and economically significant accumulations of fossil ivory occur within them. The ivory, along with mammoth and other bones, are found in recent beaches, drainage areas, river terraces and river beds. The New Siberian Islands are unique in the burial and preservation of fossil ivory "...in such a wonderful state of preservation that the tusks so found cannot be distinguished from the very best and purest ivory." The abundant bones, even skeletons, of mammoth, rhinoceros, musk-ox, and other megafauna along with the mammoth ivory found in these islands are preserved by permafrost, in which they are encased. The permafrost periodically developed in Late Pleistocene loess, solifluction, pond, and stream sediments as they accumulated. The radiocarbon dating of bones, ivory, and plants; optically stimulated luminescence dating of enclosing sediments; and uranium-thorium dating of associated peats demonstrate that the bones and ivory, which are found within some of the New Siberian Islands, accumulated over a period of some 200,000 years. Radiocarbon dates obtained from the collagen of 87 mammoth tusks and bones collected from Faddeevsky, Kotelniy, and New Siberia islands ranged from 9470±40 BP to greater than 50,000 BP (14C).[16] Their "wonderful state of preservation" is the result of them having been frozen in permafrost since their burial.[2][10][13][17] |
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From: JTRIV , [DNS_Address]
Subject: Re: and Googling New Siberian Islands you found .....
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Hi Nasirah, LOL yes, I think it is this type of thing that upsets Horst/David. I don't know why he continues this Velikovsky stuff. He knows the more he digs the more disappointment he will be as he discovers what he treasured is really a poorly collected tales built on false and 3rd hand information. Like this it is usually by creationists of the 19th century looking for evidence of Noah's flood. Horst should worship Velikovsky privately so he doesn't have to face these inconvenient facts. Cheers Jim |
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From: horst graben, [DNS_Address]
Subject: having never crawled up your anus doesn't stop you reporting about it (NT)
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From: JTRIV , [DNS_Address]
Subject: Re: I take it Google didn't provide the answers you wanted, LOL(NT)
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From: horst graben, [DNS_Address]
Subject: i have no interest in the contents of your anus (NT)
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5863
From: Akira, [DNS_Address]
Subject: you seem to be infatuated with it(NT)
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5866
From: horst graben, [DNS_Address]
Subject: Re: you seem to be as dumb as dirt (NT)
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5872
From: La Man, [DNS_Address]
Subject: It's a bitch maintaining Smartest Kid In Class mantle.
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What a burden lowering oneself on a daily basis to cyber twaddle with us lowly has-beens, constantly one-upping in the Obscure Reference category, digging way down into the Middle English forms of words, then beyond that, as if that burden was not enough, attempting to maintain a conversation with yourself, thread after thread. So anyways, why not go write a book or something, educate and bedazzle us, lowly sub-forms that we are. Btw, I've hung around real Phd's having real discussions and daresay, ARGUMENTS, perish the thought. Not a lick of "97% consensus" in sight, and after witnessing enough of these exchanges, I daresay that name calling, was never a last resort after all else failed. In fact, never happened at all. Just curious, cause I see everything except "stinky poo-head" in this thread. You really have degraded in the past ten years, true dat. The smartest true scientists, researchers, effin brilliant dudes, with patents, the smartest of the smart, all seem to have one common trait: they can take the most complex convoluted difficult stuff, and present it so a 5 year old could understand it. So, teach us 5 year olds wise one. |
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From: horst graben, [DNS_Address]
Subject: we both recognize your place in life
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From: horst graben, [DNS_Address]
Subject: Re: information pertinent to catastrophic evidence in "Earth in...
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in "Earth in Upheaval", Velikovsky describes an area on the north slope of Alaska which has extensive tracts of material known locally as "muck" Velikovsky quotes F.C. Hibben of the University of New Mexico regarding the contents of this "muck" as follows: "There is ample evidence that at least portions of this material were deposited under catastrophic conditions. Mammal remains are for the most part dismembered and dis-articulated, even though some fragments yet retain, in their frozen state, portions of ligaments, skin, hair, and flesh. Twisted and torn trees are piled in splintered masses. At least four considerable layers of volcanic ash may be traced in these deposits, although they are extremely warped and distorted. "The presence of volcanic ash indicates that a volcanic eruption did take place, and repeatedly, in four consecutive stages of the same epoch; but it is also apparent that the trees could have been uprooted and splintered only by hurricane or flood or a combination of both agencies. The animals could have been dismembered only by a stupendous wave that lifted and carried and smashed and tore and buried millions of bodies and millions of trees. Also, the area of the catastrophe was much greater than the action of a few volcanoes could have covered." |
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