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Date: November 11, 2014 at 19:43:18
From: Sciguy, [DNS_Address]
Subject: Naomi Klein: Capitalism vs The Climate (NT) |
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Date: November 11, 2014 at 21:12:14
From: JTRIV, [DNS_Address]
Subject: Re: Naomi Klein: Capitalism vs The Climate (NT) |
URL: Naomi Klein’s Capitalism-Focused Climate Quest |
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Here is something I posted on Envirowatchers last month
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Good blog post from Andy Revkin of the Times on one of the leftist activists who is using climate change as a tool against capitalism. Naomi Klein is a great example of a political activist who jumped on the climate bandwagon late to promote her anti-capitalism leftest views. She didn't even focus on climate until 2009 and she's writing a book and making a film about "how the climate crisis can spur economic and political transformation." She makes little pretense that her focus is actually on climate change as it is obvious she is simply using this important subject to attract the no nothing political types (like dib) in her anti-capitalism campaign.
Cheers
Jim
David Roberts Questions Naomi Klein’s Capitalism-Focused Climate Quest
By Andrew C. Revkin
October 15, 2014 9:37 am
I interviewed the writer Naomi Klein back in 2011, when she used an article in The Nation to lay out the anti-corporate theme that’s now the centerpiece of her new bestseller, “This Changes Everything – Capitalism vs. The Climate.”
David Roberts at Grist has just interviewed her about her book, and his questions deserved much better answers than he got. Here’s a video excerpt:
Question number one was trenchant and vital. Roberts asked about her choice of villain: “Why capitalism and not extractivism?”
She hemmed and hawed for a minute or so, then settled on a line about how climate change campaigns could be energized by focusing on an established enemy of many other factions in society:
I think there’s a benefit to the climate discussion to name a system that lots of people already have a problem with for other reasons.
She added:
Just focusing on climate is getting us nowhere. I don’t see any genuine signs of progress on that front that bring us in line with science-based targets. I think there’s something kind of uninspiring about just the narrow focus on climate.
She goes on to acknowledge the challenge she faces in trying to end capitalism, and I encourage you to explore the book to get her full prescription.
I haven’t finished the book, having been dragged away by the news flow. But the sections I read contained inconsistencies that troubled me — like Klein’s call to end free trade (in defense of localism) but support it, too (in defense of China’s ability to sell its cheap solar panels as widely as possible). I’m not sure the international community would tolerate a selective approach to “free” trade. You can read an excerpt here.
Listen to her chat with Roberts. As soon as I’ve finished the book I’ll get in touch with Klein to discuss my full views.
For divergent views of her book, read Ben Chu’s glowing review in The Independent and Will Boisvert’s detailed critique on the Breakthrough Institute website.
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Date: November 12, 2014 at 05:27:34
From: Sciguy, [DNS_Address]
Subject: Re: Naomi Klein: Capitalism vs The Climate (NT) |
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Jim, you don't score any points when you attempt to smear one of the most brilliant minds currently writing on the subject of climate science. You're a shill for the coal industry. Enough said.
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Date: November 12, 2014 at 07:52:03
From: JTRIV, [DNS_Address]
Subject: Re: Naomi Klein: Capitalism vs The Climate (NT) |
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Hi dib,
Not trying to score points, just calling a spade a spade. Klein is just another liberal activist diving into the subject of climate change, not to save the planet but to use climate change in her fight against capitalism.
One of the worst aspects of climate change is you non-science political types diving in with zero knowledge of the science but a certainty that your political opponents must be to blame.
Cheers
Jim
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Date: November 12, 2014 at 09:38:56
From: Sciguy, [DNS_Address]
Subject: Give it up, JTR, you haven't got the IQ to beat Naomi. (NT) |
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Date: November 12, 2014 at 09:53:59
From: JTRIV, [DNS_Address]
Subject: Re: beat an author and activist? |
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Hi dib,
Why would I worry about "beating" an author and political/social activist?? You political types tend to forget this is a science based subject and get all excited about a left wing activist speaking out against capitalism under the guise of environmentalism.
Cheers
Jim
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Date: November 12, 2014 at 10:17:57
From: Sciguy, [DNS_Address]
Subject: As I said, you're a shill for the coal industry. |
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I think I got you pegged, JTR. Your IT work is laying out all that tar sand excavation info into your firm's data bank, right JTR? Btw, why don't you just drop your silly IV? Who do you think you're fooling in pretending that there is another JTR out there somewhere, perhaps in outer space, that you need to tack on that silly appellation? Fits into your pompous ego real good, tho, don't it?
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Date: November 12, 2014 at 10:35:11
From: JTRIV, [DNS_Address]
Subject: Re: Out of ammunition? |
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Hi dib,
From the silly personal attacks it sounds like you are out of ammunition.
Have you thought any more about changing your handle to Politiguy?
Cheers
Jim
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Date: November 12, 2014 at 11:03:25
From: Sciguy, [DNS_Address]
Subject: Re: Out of ammunition? |
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Funny response, JTR, no denial, just the tired ol' lame=o charge that I am "political" that you manage to get into every response. Is it to co=opt the term so it won't be put to you? You're the most political person posting on any of these boards, and it's all based on lies. You're a liar, JTR, and I don't use the term lightly.
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Date: November 12, 2014 at 11:33:48
From: JTRIV, [DNS_Address]
Subject: Re: Out of ammunition? |
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Hi dib,
> You're a liar, JTR, and I don't use the term lightly.
Awww... that would hurt if you weren't a dishonest troll known for baseless personal attacks.
And dib... as far as you being political, who posted about a social activist who is using environmentalism as a tool is her long standing battle against capitalism? Yes that was YOU and it's pretty typical of your posting left wing media outlet's activist views of a scientific subject.
Face it dib, your only use for science is to jeer at pseudoscience. Not to fight pseudoscience with real science and information but simply so you can demean and attack those who believe in pseudoscience.
Cheers
Jim
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Date: November 12, 2014 at 12:00:59
From: Sciguy, [DNS_Address]
Subject: Answer these questions, JTR, and quit lying. |
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Does you job have anything to do with the tar sands?
Why do you keep trying to pretend that the 97% are ignorant, and you and your 3% have all the answers to the climate problem?
Why do you claim that there is no climate problem?
Why do you need the IV in your handle?
Try to answer those questions without taking your usual potshots at me, ok?
This is my follow up question: Why didn't you answer any of those questions?
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Date: November 12, 2014 at 12:13:20
From: JTRIV, [DNS_Address]
Subject: Re: quit trolling dib |
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Hi dib,
> Answer these questions, JTR, and quit lying.
Quit trolling dib. You try to make this personal because you know nothing about the subject. I've humored you on your personal questions repeatedly and have made clear that my job has nothing to do with the energy industry in any way.
Yet when faced with the fact that you continually bring political views to a scientific subject, such as social activist Naomi Klein's activist views you return to the same old questions trying to make the issue personal.
I think there is a problem with climate change and the burning of fossil fuels contribute to this problem. I think it's an important enough issue that it's disgusting that political activists such as Naomi Klein opportunistically use the subject as a tool in their political battles.
And I find it rather sad that you continually embrace political activist views of this topic while pretending to be science oriented.
Cheers
Jim
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Date: November 12, 2014 at 12:27:45
From: Sciguy, [DNS_Address]
Subject: Lol. You made it personal in your first response. |
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Why don't you make an attempt to answer the questions:
Does you job have anything to do with the tar sands?
I'll let you answer that one first.
Don't do another ostrich and bury your head in the sand, just answer the question. Yes or No. Is that so hard? I will take a non-answer or a diversion or a renewed barrage of lies from you as an admission that you do have a personal investment in the answer to that question. Man-up jtr, man-up.
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Date: November 12, 2014 at 14:25:26
From: JTRIV, [DNS_Address]
Subject: Re: What part of... |
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Hi dib,
> Does you job have anything to do with the tar sands?
What part of "my job has nothing to do with the energy industry in any way" don't you understand?
So stop trolling with these silly personal attacks. From you taking this so personally I surmise you realize you are preaching the virtues of a social activist using environmentalism as a tool to fight capitalism. Sciguy... LOL
And Naomi Klein isn't the only activist trying to use climate change for political purposes.
Cheers
Jim
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Date: November 12, 2014 at 16:02:54
From: Sciguy, [DNS_Address]
Subject: Re: What part of... |
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>Hi dib,
Phony, jtr. I'm Mr. Sciguy to you.
>> Does you job have anything to do with the tar sands?
>What part of "my job has nothing to do with the energy industry in any way" don't you understand?
Well you lie, jtr. It's not that hard to figure you out. Imo, either you have a vested interest in this issue, or you are ignorant. Take your pick.
>So stop trolling with these silly personal attacks.
LOL. I can always tell when you run out of ammunition.
> From you taking this so personally I surmise you realize you are preaching the virtues of a social activist using environmentalism as a tool to fight capitalism. Sciguy... LOL
Lol. Sounds like you're taking this politically, personally, and resorting to personal attacks all in one, jtr! Congratulations! You win the booby prize.
>And Naomi Klein isn't the only activist trying to use climate change for political purposes.
Lol. Everyone who disagrees with your dogma is an activist who is trying to use climate change for political purposes. Good one, jtriii.
>Cheers
Spend a lot of time in bars, jtr?
>Jim
Don't get all familiar, here, jtr, I really don't think we can be friends. Perhaps you should try Facebook instead?
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Date: November 12, 2014 at 08:35:36
From: BJ, [DNS_Address]
Subject: Re: Naomi Klein: Capitalism vs The Climate (NT) |
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I agree with you
"There's a sucker born every minute"
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