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Date: October 21, 2014 at 21:27:54
From: Sciguy, [DNS_Address]
Subject: What Darwin Never Knew |
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Evolution is no longer a theory, it's a fact.
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Date: October 22, 2014 at 07:31:23
From: grzbear/AZ, [DNS_Address]
Subject: Re: What Darwin Never Knew |
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I have gone through about half the vid so far and will continue to watch the rest perhaps tonight, however when you state that evolution is a fact, the argument is weak based upon this vid.
All this program seems to confirm by definition is evolution as the ability, ***within a particular species***, which is capable of exchanging genes and interbreeding, to *adapt* to a given environment, which we should all know as fact regardless of our beliefs in scientific or religious *theory*... and is nothing new - Darwin just recognized the obvious is all.
In taxonomy, while species within themselves can interbreed, pushing adaptive evolutionary shifts, much more rare are organisms of different genus and even more rare, families, being able to interbreed albeit with sterile offspring...
We have never seen, or proven the transformation of an organism from one *order* to another... if that ever happens, or there becomes definitive proof of that have happening, I would suppose we would have *more* solid **proof** of evolutionary theory. but this video does not *prove* that; and evolution as such is still a theory - not fact.
amongst humans, having sexual intercourse with a different *order* or even genus, would be considered perverse would it not?
So I guess it depends upon your *definition* of evolution.
as an adaptive response to external stimuli (pressures/stress) due to environmental change, yes - as a transformation from one *order* to another, rolling up or down taxonomy order beyond species/genus - no.
good vid though.
grz-
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Date: October 22, 2014 at 10:41:53
From: Sciguy, [DNS_Address]
Subject: Re: What Darwin Never Knew |
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Thanks for your thoughtful response. It's a nice break from the trollers. My response inline, because it's easier for me that way.
>I have gone through about half the vid so far and will continue to watch the rest perhaps tonight, however when you state that evolution is a fact, the argument is weak based upon this vid.
I'm surprised you would think that, even if you are only half-way through. The subtle changes in form and function due to environmental forcing is indisputable. The remnants of completely extinct life forms in species that cannot possibly use such remnants in their current environment, is infallible proof that one species has evolved into another.
>All this program seems to confirm by definition is evolution as the ability, ***within a particular species***, ...
No, not just within a species, it is the ability to form entirely new species as a result of environmental pressures that force adaptation.
>...which is capable of exchanging genes and interbreeding,...
Interbreeding of closely related species is not the major cause of evolution. As Darwin noted, finches isolated on separate islands produced different species of finches through adaptation to the unique environment of each island.
>...to *adapt* to a given environment, which we should all know as fact regardless of our beliefs in scientific or religious *theory*...
I object to your stating that adaptation to the environment is an obvious fact. That "fact" was not recognized until Darwin discovered it.
>...and is nothing new - Darwin just recognized the obvious is all.
I think you have gotten way off track for some reason. The video was very clear in giving Darwin credit for his discovery.
>In taxonomy, while species within themselves can interbreed, pushing adaptive evolutionary shifts, much more rare are organisms of different genus and even more rare, families, being able to interbreed albeit with sterile offspring...
I don't get your point. Taxonomy is just a means of showing evolutionary heiarchies, it has little meaning in how adaptation occurs, only that it is obvious that it does occur.
>We have never seen, or proven the transformation of an organism from one *order* to another...
Evolution takes time. A very, very long time for an order. Millions of years.
> if that ever happens, or there becomes definitive proof of that have happening, I would suppose we would have *more* solid **proof** of evolutionary theory.
That's what the video is about. The proof is in the evolutionary record, and it is as solid as you can get. Considering that video, I'm not sure why you are not getting it, but I think it's because of the time factor. Darwin didn't see finches change from one species to another, it took slow incremental changes over thousands of years. Genetic mutation can produce fast changes in species, but adaptation is a long term project. In changing single celled amoeba-like forms into humans took billions of years.
>...but this video does not *prove* that; and evolution as such is still a theory - not fact.
I disagree. Theory becomes fact based on the scientific evidence. The facts of evolution is no longer disputable.
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Date: October 22, 2014 at 11:04:53
From: grzbear/AZ, [DNS_Address]
Subject: Re: What Darwin Never Knew |
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Define evolution for me so that I can
understand what you mean by evolution
being indisputable. Evolution in an adaptive
sense, yes... a monkey becoming a human
over time still takes faith in an unproven
theory.
Rather than continued superfluous palaver -
prove that.
grz-
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Date: October 22, 2014 at 12:14:09
From: Sciguy, [DNS_Address]
Subject: Re: What Darwin Never Knew |
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The video you were watching explains very clearly what evolution is and how it has worked to create the diversity of life forms that we see on Earth. What exactly is it that is you don't understand?
If you believe that God created humans, and you have no doubts about that, then this discussion is moot because there is no way I will ever be able to convince you otherwise. If you are free from religious dogma, then you would realize that humans are just another leap on the evolutionary chain from amoeba to and including humans.
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Date: October 21, 2014 at 21:35:03
From: BJ, [DNS_Address]
Subject: Re: What Darwin Never Knew |
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Thanks for letting us know you are a UTube scientist.
Why didn't you say so earlier, then I wouldn't have embarrassed you. So sorry
BTW, interesting Vid. Keep up the good work!
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Date: October 21, 2014 at 22:38:37
From: Sciguy, [DNS_Address]
Subject: Troll Alert. NT |
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Date: October 21, 2014 at 22:48:22
From: BJ, [DNS_Address]
Subject: Struck a nerve |
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Stop squealing like a little girl
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Date: October 21, 2014 at 22:53:47
From: Sciguy, [DNS_Address]
Subject: My last response to you forever. |
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Have fun trolling, Troll.
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Date: October 21, 2014 at 23:50:10
From: BJ, [DNS_Address]
Subject: Re: My last response to you forever. |
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