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From: mr bopp, [DNS_Address]
Subject: The Universe as a Hologram
URL: http://www.endlesssearch.co.uk/science_holographicuniverse.htm
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The Universe as a Hologram (By Michael Talbot, The Holographic Universe, 1991, ISBN 0-06-092258-3) In 1982 a remarkable event took place. At the University of Paris a research team led by physicist Alain Aspect performed what may turn out to be one of the most important experiments of the 20th century. You did not hear about it on the evening news. In fact, unless you are in the habit of reading scientific journals you probably have never even heard Aspect's name, though there are some who believe his discovery may change the face of science. Aspect and his team discovered that under certain circumstances subatomic particles such as electrons are able to instantaneously communicate with each other regardless of the distance separating them. It doesn't matter whether they are 10 feet or 10 billion miles apart. Somehow each particle always seems to know what the other is doing. The problem with this feat is that it violates Einstein's long-held tenet that no communication can travel faster than the speed of light. Since traveling faster than the speed of light is tantamount to breaking the time barrier, this daunting prospect has caused some physicists to try to come up with elaborate ways to explain away Aspect's findings. But it has inspired others to offer even more radical explanations. University of London physicist David Bohm, for example, believes Aspect's findings imply that objective reality does not exist, that despite its apparent solidity the universe is at heart a phantasm, a gigantic and splendidly detailed hologram. To understand why Bohm makes this startling assertion, one must first understand a little about holograms. A hologram is a three- dimensional photograph made with the aid of a laser. To make a hologram, the object to be photographed is first bathed in the light of a laser beam. Then a second laser beam is bounced off the reflected light of the first and the resulting interference pattern (the area where the two laser beams commingle) is captured on film. When the film is developed, it looks like a meaningless swirl of light and dark lines. But as soon as the developed film is illuminated by another laser beam, a three-dimensional image of the original object appears. The three-dimensionality of such images is not the only remarkable characteristic of holograms. If a hologram of a rose is cut in half and then illuminated by a laser, each half will still be found to contain the entire image of the rose. Indeed, even if the halves are divided again, each snippet of film will always be found to contain a smaller but intact version of the original image. Unlike normal photographs, every part of a hologram contains all the information possessed by the whole. The "whole in every part" nature of a hologram provides us with an entirely new way of understanding organization and order. For most of its history, Western science has labored under the bias that the best way to understand a physical phenomenon, whether a frog or an atom, is to dissect it and study its respective parts. A hologram teaches us that some things in the universe may not lend themselves to this approach. If we try to take apart something constructed holographically, we will not get the pieces of which it is made, we will only get smaller wholes. This insight suggested to Bohm another way of understanding Aspect's discovery. Bohm believes the reason subatomic particles are able to remain in contact with one another regardless of the distance separating them is not because they are sending some sort of mysterious signal back and forth, but because their separateness is an illusion. He argues that at some deeper level of reality such particles are not individual entities, but are actually extensions of the same fundamental something. To enable people to better visualize what he means, Bohm offers the following illustration. Imagine an aquarium containing a fish. Imagine also that you are unable to see the aquarium directly and your knowledge about it and what it contains comes from two television cameras, one directed at the aquarium's front and the other directed at its side. As you stare at the two television monitors, you might assume that the fish on each of the screens are separate entities. After all, because the cameras are set at different angles, each of the images will be slightly different. But as you continue to watch the two fish, you will eventually become aware that there is a certain relationship between them. When one turns, the other also makes a slightly different but corresponding turn; when one faces the front, the other always faces toward the side. If you remain unaware of the full scope of the situation, you might even conclude that the fish must be instantaneously communicating with one another, but this is clearly not the case. This, says Bohm, is precisely what is going on between the subatomic particles in Aspect's experiment. According to Bohm, the apparent faster-than-light connection between subatomic particles is really telling us that there is a deeper level of reality we are not privy to, a more complex dimension beyond our own that is analogous to the aquarium. And, he adds, we view objects such as subatomic particles as separate from one another because we are seeing only a portion of their reality. Such particles are not separate "parts", but facets of a deeper and more underlying unity that is ultimately as holographic and indivisible as the previously mentioned rose. And since everything in physical reality is comprised of these "eidolons", the universe is itself a projection, a hologram. In addition to its phantomlike nature, such a universe would possess other rather startling features. If the apparent separateness of subatomic particles is illusory, it means that at a deeper level of reality all things in the universe are infinitely interconnected. The electrons in a carbon atom in the human brain are connected to the subatomic particles that comprise every salmon that swims, every heart that beats, and every star that shimmers in the sky. Everything interpenetrates everything, and although human nature may seek to categorize and pigeonhole and subdivide, the various phenomena of the universe, all apportionments are of necessity artificial and all of nature is ultimately a seamless web. In a holographic universe, even time and space could no longer be viewed as fundamentals. Because concepts such as location break down in a universe in which nothing is truly separate from anything else, time and three-dimensional space, like the images of the fish on the TV monitors, would also have to be viewed as projections of this deeper order. At its deeper level reality is a sort of superhologram in which the past, present, and future all exist simultaneously. This suggests that given the proper tools it might even be possible to someday reach into the superholographic level of reality and pluck out scenes from the long-forgotten past. What else the superhologram contains is an open-ended question. Allowing, for the sake of argument, that the superhologram is the matrix that has given birth to everything in our universe, at the very least it contains every subatomic particle that has been or will be -- every configuration of matter and energy that is possible, from snowflakes to quasars, from blue whales to gamma rays. It must be seen as a sort of cosmic storehouse of "All That Is." Although Bohm concedes that we have no way of knowing what else might lie hidden in the superhologram, he does venture to say that we have no reason to assume it does not contain more. Or as he puts it, perhaps the superholographic level of reality is a "mere stage" beyond which lies "an infinity of further development". Bohm is not the only researcher who has found evidence that the universe is a hologram. Working independently in the field of brain research, Standford neurophysiologist Karl Pribram has also become persuaded of the holographic nature of reality. Pribram was drawn to the holographic model by the puzzle of how and where memories are stored in the brain. For decades numerous studies have shown that rather than being confined to a specific location, memories are dispersed throughout the brain. In a series of landmark experiments in the 1920s, brain scientist Karl Lashley found that no matter what portion of a rat's brain he removed he was unable to eradicate its memory of how to perform complex tasks it had learned prior to surgery. The only problem was that no one was able to come up with a mechanism that might explain this curious "whole in every part" nature of memory storage. Then in the 1960s Pribram encountered the concept of holography and realized he had found the explanation brain scientists had been looking for. Pribram believes memories are encoded not in neurons, or small groupings of neurons, but in patterns of nerve impulses that crisscross the entire brain in the same way that patterns of laser light interference crisscross the entire area of a piece of film containing a holographic image. In other words, Pribram believes the brain is itself a hologram. Pribram's theory also explains how the human brain can store so many memories in so little space. It has been estimated that the human brain has the capacity to memorize something on the order of 10 billion bits of information during the average human lifetime (or roughly the same amount of information contained in five sets of the Encyclopeadia Britannica). Similarly, it has been discovered that in addition to their other capabilities, holograms possess an astounding capacity for information storage--simply by changing the angle at which the two lasers strike a piece of photographic film, it is possible to record many different images on the same surface. It has been demonstrated that one cubic centimeter of film can hold as many as 10 billion bits of information. Our uncanny ability to quickly retrieve whatever information we need from the enormous store of our memories becomes more understandable if the brain functions according to holographic principles. If a friend asks you to tell him what comes to mind when he says the word "zebra", you do not have to clumsily sort back through some gigantic and cerebral alphabetic file to arrive at an answer. Instead, associations like "striped", "horse-like", and "animal native to Africa" all pop into your head instantly. Indeed, one of the most amazing things about the human thinking process is that every piece of information seems instantly cross- correlated with every other piece of information--another feature intrinsic to the hologram. Because every portion of a hologram is infinitely interconnected with every other portion, it is perhaps nature's supreme example of a cross-correlated system. The storage of memory is not the only neurophysiological puzzle that becomes more tractable in light of Pribram's holographic model of the brain. Another is how the brain is able to translate the avalanche of frequencies it receives via the senses (light frequencies, sound frequencies, and so on) into the concrete world of our perceptions. Encoding and decoding frequencies is precisely what a hologram does best. Just as a hologram functions as a sort of lens, a translating device able to convert an apparently meaningless blur of frequencies into a coherent image, Pribram believes the brain also comprises a lens and uses holographic principles to mathematically convert the frequencies it receives through the senses into the inner world of our perceptions. An impressive body of evidence suggests that the brain uses holographic principles to perform its operations. Pribram's theory, in fact, has gained increasing support among neurophysiologists. Argentinian-Italian researcher Hugo Zucarelli recently extended the holographic model into the world of acoustic phenomena. Puzzled by the fact that humans can locate the source of sounds without moving their heads, even if they only possess hearing in one ear, Zucarelli discovered that holographic principles can explain this ability. Zucarelli has also developed the technology of holophonic sound, a recording technique able to reproduce acoustic situations with an almost uncanny realism. Pribram's belief that our brains mathematically construct "hard" reality by relying on input from a frequency domain has also received a good deal of experimental support. It has been found that each of our senses is sensitive to a much broader range of frequencies than was previously suspected. Researchers have discovered, for instance, that our visual systems are sensitive to sound frequencies, that our sense of smell is in part dependent on what are now called "osmic frequencies", and that even the cells in our bodies are sensitive to a broad range of frequencies. Such findings suggest that it is only in the holographic domain of consciousness that such frequencies are sorted out and divided up into conventional perceptions. But the most mind-boggling aspect of Pribram's holographic model of the brain is what happens when it is put together with Bohm's theory. For if the concreteness of the world is but a secondary reality and what is "there" is actually a holographic blur of frequencies, and if the brain is also a hologram and only selects some of the frequencies out of this blur and mathematically transforms them into sensory perceptions, what becomes of objective reality? Put quite simply, it ceases to exist. As the religions of the East have long upheld, the material world is Maya, an illusion, and although we may think we are physical beings moving through a physical world, this too is an illusion. We are really "receivers" floating through a kaleidoscopic sea of frequency, and what we extract from this sea and transmogrify into physical reality is but one channel from many extracted out of the superhologram. This striking new picture of reality, the synthesis of Bohm and Pribram's views, has come to be called the holographic paradigm, and although many scientists have greeted it with skepticism, it has galvanized others. A small but growing group of researchers believe it may be the most accurate model of reality science has arrived at thus far. More than that, some believe it may solve some mysteries that have never before been explainable by science and even establish the paranormal as a part of nature. Numerous researchers, including Bohm and Pribram, have noted that many para-psychological phenomena become much more understandable in terms of the holographic paradigm. In a universe in which individual brains are actually indivisible portions of the greater hologram and everything is infinitely interconnected, telepathy may merely be the accessing of the holographic level. It is obviously much easier to understand how information can travel from the mind of individual 'A' to that of individual 'B' at a far distance point and helps to understand a number of unsolved puzzles in psychology. In particular, Grof feels the holographic paradigm offers a model for understanding many of the baffling phenomena experienced by individuals during altered states of consciousness. In the 1950s, while conducting research into the beliefs of LSD as a psychotherapeutic tool, Grof had one female patient who suddenly became convinced she had assumed the identity of a female of a species of prehistoric reptile. During the course of her hallucination, she not only gave a richly detailed description of what it felt like to be encapsuled in such a form, but noted that the portion of the male of the species's anatomy was a patch of colored scales on the side of its head. What was startling to Grof was that although the woman had no prior knowledge about such things, a conversation with a zoologist later confirmed that in certain species of reptiles colored areas on the head do indeed play an important role as triggers of sexual arousal. The woman's experience was not unique. During the course of his research, Grof encountered examples of patients regressing and identifying with virtually every species on the evolutionary tree (research findings which helped influence the man-into-ape scene in the movie Altered States). Moreover, he found that such experiences frequently contained obscure zoological details which turned out to be accurate. Regressions into the animal kingdom were not the only puzzling psychological phenomena Grof encountered. He also had patients who appeared to tap into some sort of collective or racial unconscious. Individuals with little or no education suddenly gave detailed descriptions of Zoroastrian funerary practices and scenes from Hindu mythology. In other categories of experience, individuals gave persuasive accounts of out-of-body journeys, of precognitive glimpses of the future, of regressions into apparent past-life incarnations. In later research, Grof found the same range of phenomena manifested in therapy sessions which did not involve the use of drugs. Because the common element in such experiences appeared to be the transcending of an individual's consciousness beyond the usual boundaries of ego and/or limitations of space and time, Grof called such manifestations "transpersonal experiences", and in the late '60s he helped found a branch of psychology called "transpersonal psychology" devoted entirely to their study. Although Grof's newly founded Association of Transpersonal Psychology garnered a rapidly growing group of like-minded professionals and has become a respected branch of psychology, for years neither Grof or any of his colleagues were able to offer a mechanism for explaining the bizarre psychological phenomena they were witnessing. But that has changed with the advent of the holographic paradigm. As Grof recently noted, if the mind is actually part of a continuum, a labyrinth that is connected not only to every other mind that exists or has existed, but to every atom, organism, and region in the vastness of space and time itself, the fact that it is able to occasionally make forays into the labyrinth and have transpersonal experiences no longer seems so strange. The holographic paradigm also has implications for so-called hard sciences like biology. Keith Floyd, a psychologist at Virginia Intermont College, has pointed out that if the concreteness of reality is but a holographic illusion, it would no longer be true to say the brain produces consciousness. Rather, it is consciousness that creates the appearance of the brain -- as well as the body and everything else around us we interpret as physical. Such a turnabout in the way we view biological structures has caused researchers to point out that medicine and our understanding of the healing process could also be transformed by the holographic paradigm. If the apparent physical structure of the body is but a holographic projection of consciousness, it becomes clear that each of us is much more responsible for our health than current medical wisdom allows. What we now view as miraculous remissions of disease may actually be due to changes in consciousness which in turn effect changes in the hologram of the body. Similarly, controversial new healing techniques such as visualization may work so well because in the holographic domain of thought images are ultimately as real as "reality". Even visions and experiences involving "non-ordinary" reality become explainable under the holographic paradigm. In his book "Gifts of Unknown Things," biologist Lyall Watson describes his encounter with an Indonesian shaman woman who, by performing a ritual dance, was able to make an entire grove of trees instantly vanish into thin air. Watson relates that as he and another astonished onlooker continued to watch the woman, she caused the trees to reappear, then "click" off again and on again several times in succession. Although current scientific understanding is incapable of explaining such events, experiences like this become more tenable if "hard" reality is only a holographic projection. Perhaps we agree on what is "there" or "not there" because what we call consensus reality is formulated and ratified at the level of the human unconscious at which all minds are infinitely interconnected. If this is true, it is the most profound implication of the holographic paradigm of all, for it means that experiences such as Watson's are not commonplace only because we have not programmed our minds with the beliefs that would make them so. In a holographic universe there are no limits to the extent to which we can alter the fabric of reality. What we perceive as reality is only a canvas waiting for us to draw upon it any picture we want. Anything is possible, from bending spoons with the power of the mind to the phantasmagoric events experienced by Castaneda during his encounters with the Yaqui brujo don Juan, for magic is our birthright, no more or less miraculous than our ability to compute the reality we want when we are in our dreams. Indeed, even our most fundamental notions about reality become suspect, for in a holographic universe, as Pribram has pointed out, even random events would have to be seen as based on holographic principles and therefore determined. Synchronicities or meaningful coincidences suddenly makes sense, and everything in reality would have to be seen as a metaphor, for even the most haphazard events would express some underlying symmetry. Whether Bohm and Pribram's holographic paradigm becomes accepted in science or dies an ignoble death remains to be seen, but it is safe to say that it has already had an influence on the thinking of many scientists. And even if it is found that the holographic model does not provide the best explanation for the instantaneous communications that seem to be passing back and forth between subatomic particles, at the very least, as noted by Basil Hiley, a physicist at Birbeck College in London, Aspect's findings "indicate that we must be prepared to consider radically new views of reality". The Endless Search © 2004 - 2005 Ian C. MacFarlane |
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From: 4YourConsideration, [DNS_Address]
Subject: Re: The Universe as a Hologram
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Excellent article. Thanks for posting it. I've followed this way of seeing the illusions of what we call life, albeit without the formal training. I've done a fair amount of reading, gobbling up this type of information. Nothing is more enthralling then to discover a good documentary on such subject whilst wading through the loads of junk on the boob tube. Books and articles are the best. I think scientists will never truly be able to make a finite statement as it is forever morphing being on the leading edge of creation all the time. They get a taste of it, or liken to a tiny snowflakes worth on a 25 mile size ice burg. I do wonder if they are prone to headaches by working so hard to understand something that cannot be captured in the typical sense of capture? Either way, it is fascinating. Time and space. Illusion. I do think this is possibly where science and religion are speaking the same language, though neither would admit so. Before you have asked, it is done. a hint at science approaching it, but from another language. Translation is the same, imho. Thanks again for the article. :) |
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From: kay.so.or, [DNS_Address]
Subject: Re: The Universe as a Hologram
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the operative word is 'illusion'...what is it exactly? "A trick of the mind"?....when we really truly comprehend that everything boils down to 'energy'...everything, then the possibilities are endless of what 'could be' and/or 'what our reality is'.... we all know that out time on this earth is short in a 3-d body, so the rest of our 'time' is spent....how???? we know that matter forms from thought forms bringing somekind of energy into physicallity, so is a hologram any different?.... just lots to tease our minds with about who/what/where/etc in this universe everything is/comes from/etc???? |
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From: horst graben, [DNS_Address]
Subject: Re: "... so the rest of our 'time' is spent....how????"
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i believe that the key is tied up in the short phrase "time no longer" which is found in a book of words which i am not allowed to mention here where does the material world exist is the question ... and the answer to that question is that the material world exists in what Einstein called the "space-time continuum" if my understanding of the concept is correct ... Einstein thought that space and time were inextricably bound together so ... if the mystery is finished ... and there is "time no longer" ... then Einstein's famous equation ... energy equals mass times the velocity of light times the velocity of light ... dictates what happens aaaaaah ... but without time all the binding energy that holds atomic particles together to form matter as we know it ... is released as ... drum roll please ... energy without time ... there is no space-time continuum ... and no place for matter to exist ... the universe becomes what it once was ... before the Word was uttered ... energy ... and ... a little bit of soul |
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From: 4YourConsideration, [DNS_Address]
Subject: Re: "... so the rest of our 'time' is spent....how????"
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Time was or is an invention so that "everything doesn't happen all at once!", or so our puny little brains like to think. Gives us comfort, I guess. Jack Nicholson screaming, "You CAN'T HANDLE THE TRUTH"... how this may be all too true. |
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From: Judy/W, [DNS_Address]
Subject: Re: "... so the rest of our 'time' is spent....how????"
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"food for thought". "and the TRUTH will set you free" This was a good thread to read. Thankyou all for the inputs. Judy |
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From: horst graben, [DNS_Address]
Subject: i believe William Blake captured it perfectly in Auguries of Innocence
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To see a world in a grain of sand And a heaven in a wild flower, Hold infinity in the palm of your hand, And eternity in an hour. |
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From: marja, [DNS_Address]
Subject: Re: i believe William Blake captured it perfectly in Auguries of...
| that was lovely....kiitos.... |
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From: craig, [DNS_Address]
Subject: Re: The Universe as a Hologram
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basically, it's due to a redundancy. rule. like particles are to behave a certain way with limited variation. it shows a level of non-complexity. serendipity is often cited as another example of this non-novelty. a built-in repetition when ''it'' knows it's suppose to do/ is instructed to do ''something'' and completes from an n list of tasks/operations for the particular circumstance. like an object-oriented array, or a talking talk. fyi, bears only shit in the woods if you're watching them/ about to cross their path. |
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From: craig, [DNS_Address]
Subject: Re: The Universe as a Hologram
| um, that was spose to be a ''talking doll''. and ''pope'' instead of ''bear''. |
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From: dib, [DNS_Address]
Subject: Re: The Universe as a Hologram
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Interesting Article, but Bohm seems to have made a giant leap in his assumption that "spooky action at a distance" can be explained by a holographic reality. Fyi, I kicked a rock today, and was able to determine by the ensuing pain and a swollen toe that reality is not holographic. Ok, I just stole the idea and made up that last part, but really, just because a holographic universe would cleverly explain how spooky stuff could happen, why deny what is clearly objective reality? Does your god play tricks on us? |
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From: craig, [DNS_Address]
Subject: Re: The Universe as a Hologram
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yep. if we were to purpose we're operating in a simulation with a set set of operational parameters inherent to said system, would performing an action with a known result typical of said system prove anything beyond the fundamental operation of said parameters of said system? the seeming instantaneous communication/awareness between particles at a distance does seem to be something real. its relation in quantum teleportation does also seem to validate this essential operation. the slit test? why there hasn't been a unified field theory is one piece of evidence that there is something operating at the quantum that doesn't equate or make sense with our macro understanding or with the theory of relativity. that there isn't much defintion - or much of any kind of detail, anything - beyond a Planck length tells me something is up/ is not as it seems. a 3D hologram arising from a 2D, or even 1D framework of strings could be possible. some say yes: http://www.scientificamerican.com/article.cfm?id=universe-really-is-a-holo some say no:http://www.universetoday.com/107172/why-our-universe-is-not-a-hologram/ i'm leaning toward it, but i might be stubbing my toe. time will tell...maybe. maybe the great OZ will reveal himself/all. a type of computer simulation is more romantic, perhaps the visiable universe and we are sprites in a program projection within a Dyson sphere by a Kardashev Type III civilization?: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dyson_sphere |
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From: dib, [DNS_Address]
Subject: Re: The Universe as a Hologram
URL: Roberlein
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Can't argue with any of that. Don't get string theory or the mechanics of black hole horizons, or one and 2 dimensionality, but my vote is for the scientific position that doesn't require a paranormal behavior kind of reality. That slit thing is an illusion, I'm sure of it. lol. Thanks for the Roberlein link. Anyone interested in this discussion should read the reader's comments where good points are made on both sides of the issue. From the standpoint of a holographic universe, it doesn't look too good except that it is a construct that fulfills a fairly restrictive universe situation, and in any case, doesn't mean what us non-physicists think it means. Some of the readers comments are hilarious. Well worth the time. |
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From: craig, [DNS_Address]
Subject: Re: The Universe as a Hologram
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well, i can go either way, hilarious, to semi-solid, but it does seem that we are existing within a finite reality where there should, on closer inspection, be more variability. it's almost like it's just complicated enough, and just limited enough, to keep us guessing. as far as the slit test goes, the recent ''discovery'' off the higgs-boson particle suggests that it was only found by looking for it. lol. doesn't prove what they hoped, and posed more problems for a neat quantum mechanics model than ever before - almost like a really skilled three-card monte hustler, catching them looking one way & doing something else. the key very well be something of a woo-woo factor, that they found "something" precisely because they were looking there. it doesn't explain anything like what they were hoping to explain, and poses more problems of rectifying sub-sub-atomic particles that, theoretically shouldn't even exist at that magnitude. it begs the question of an actual eventual agreement between research & the idea of creative manifestation of a new age spiritual bent being accurate, that we are effective bots for the semblance of our own reality. if so, kinda sucks to be us, huh? at this point, i'll cease thinking about anything along those lines [& definitely NOT look at any pretty Hubble images] for fear of what I might bring into existence - aside from a hearty midnight snack. |
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From: dib, [DNS_Address]
Subject: Re: The Universe as a Hologram
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No, I didn't mean hilarious from an absurd theory standpoint (I don't know enough to laugh about any of it), I meant joking hilarious, eg: wait...so i do exist or I don't exist? This is so confusing...I'm going to go eat a burrito. --- It's weird that someone should mention boorreetoes here. Last year one of them vanished from my plate as I read a magazine. I looked up and it wasn't there anymore. This happened again about three weeks later. It's additional proof for the Hologram Universe Theory. --- A more logical explanation: Your dog ate it! --- Ivanman, I'm sorry but you had better find another explanation. I have no pets, other than several corner spiders in a dusty, unruly household full of cardboard boxes that looks more like a warehouse. Over the years I've managed to develop an efficient way of feeding them, and THIS, TOO, IS RELEVANT for the said theory. One must use a big jar to capture certain insects, like cloth moths, mosquitos and big flies, and a small one for the tiny flies, which come in three varieties. If you're lucky you'll find them resting on a wall. It's almost impossible to trap them on the wing as they fly back and forth, no matter how large the mouth of the jar, especially in the case of the moths, whose movements are too quick and erratic when they're airborne. Once they're safely in the jar, shake it until the thing is groggy but not knocked out. This is essential since 1) most spiders will reject a dead body, and 2) if you don't shake, the bug will escape when you open and try to drop it onto the web. There are more complications but I can't go into this more deeply. All I will say is that, having shaken cautiously as explained, you might open the jar AND FIND NOTHING IN IT, as though the animal had slipped through a portal straight into the twilight zone. I challenge you to explain that without involving the dogs this time around. --- Anecdotal evidence is not science! Lol, but maybe not so hilarious this time around. You make some interesting points. Personally, I think the designer of our collective brain power, can't quite decide whether it is a god or a devil, is playing a cosmic joke on us. |
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From: craig, [DNS_Address]
Subject: Re: The Universe as a Hologram
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wow, going all the way back to 1/11, dib, but i just now read your response. in such matters, time matters not, &, as you said, as did h.p. lovecraft: "The world is indeed comic, but the joke is on mankind." as for the intelligence that governs this realm, it's obvious that it's mostly bad and fully insane, not God, per se, but a broken, limited intelligence. the real god could possibly come into play a concentric magnitude or two above 'here', maybe more, or (as I believe) removed from this whole mess entirely. [see above link for some substantial, long-duration mind-chewing; dyson sphere x steroids]. i've had some weird disappearances of items physically impossible to disappear from where they were in the past few years. i'm giving myself this winter to find them or file them. i planted myself in a sucking vortex, so that's no help, very likely the problem. |
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From: marja, [DNS_Address]
Subject: Re: The Universe as a Hologram
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too funny craig cuz I've the very opposite, -ie things materializing ( that's one long word lol) that were not there before... things showing up that locigally do not make any sense, -though I feel I left the logic part of any of it behind a long time ago.... |
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From: kay.so.or, [DNS_Address]
Subject: Re: The Universe as a Hologram
| I'm still looking for my iron!.....dang, it was a real nice one too... |
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From: horst graben, [DNS_Address]
Subject: Re: Alain Aspect's experiments demonstrate Bell's theorem
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and Bell's theorem implies ... quantum entanglement ... a holographic universe ... and Jung's synchronicity principle "In mathematics, a theorem is a statement that has been proven ..." |
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From: horst graben, [DNS_Address]
Subject: Re: since posting mentions "religions of the East" and "Maya"
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it seems appropriate to demonstrate that "other religions" also take note of the "Maya" illusory state of the ... apparent ... material universe ... we look not at the things which are seen, but at the things which are not seen: for the things which are seen are temporal; but the things which are not seen are eternal. -- 2nd Corinthians 4:18 Through faith we understand that the worlds were framed by the word of God, so that things which are seen were not made of things which do appear. -- Hebrews 11:3 |
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From: horst graben, [DNS_Address]
Subject: Re: not only is holy scripture "quantum-mechanically correct"
URL: https://www.google.com/#q=tectonically-correct+prophecy
| but it is also "tectonically correct" |
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From: horst graben, [DNS_Address]
Subject: Re: let's try that again ... post suffered a GOOGLE "mis-direction"
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Topic: tectonically-correct Biblical prophecy... (Read 8740 times) tectonically-correct Biblical prophecy Tectonically-correct Biblical Prophecy |
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From: horst graben, [DNS_Address]
Subject: Re: the comment from "Lynn David" about African Plate movement
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"Lynn David said ... It's also tectonically incorrect. Both the African and Arabian plates are moving northward. The only reason the transform exists is that they are moving at different rates - the Arabian plate is moving northward faster than the African plate. The African plate is not moving south at all, so there is no way of closing the Gulf of Suez." he's wrong about the motion of the African Plate ... as the images clearly show   |
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From: horst graben, [DNS_Address]
Subject: Re: correction ... my bad ... he's only partially wrong
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yes ... he's partly correct ... it's a matter of relative motion yes ... the African plate does move north ... but more slowly than the Arabian plate ... which is why both images show the African plate moving away from the Red Sea spreading center it's probably this push from the spreading center that accounts for the velocity differential between the two plates but ... even so ... a massive earthquake on the Dead Sea fault could cause the "tongue of the Egyptian Sea" to be slammed shut an earthquake is a "moment in time" event ... and a massive earthquake on that fault would cause land to the seaward side to move toward the south ... Sinai moving toward Egypt ... and land on the landward side to move toward the north so ... contrary to his claim ... "closing the Gulf of Suez" is not impossible ... given a large enough earthquake ... see "Wormwood" for the motive force ... the "job" could be done |
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