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Date: May 30, 2014 at 11:18:06
From: horst graben, [DNS_Address]
Subject: this "peripheral passage" hypothesis makes sense to me |
URL: http://www.scientiapress.com/jupiter-venus-and-velikovsky |
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but it does not seem to have gained any traction since i first read it ... perhaps James Patrick Hogan would have promoted it ... were he still alive
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Date: June 01, 2014 at 08:33:03
From: horst graben, [DNS_Address]
Subject: Re: a planet-full of people can't all be wrong about what they saw |
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that's my starting point ... and i work from there to understand how it could have happened ... every other viewpoint is hollow academic arrogance that has no basis in reality
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Date: June 01, 2014 at 11:27:17
From: JTRIV, [DNS_Address]
Subject: Re: a planet-full of people can't all be wrong about what they saw |
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Hi HG,
> that's my starting point ... and i work from there to understand how
> it could have happened ... every other viewpoint is hollow
> academic arrogance that has no basis in reality
What planet full of people saw what?? The problem is Velikovsky's
twisting of myths, legends and folklore into his catastrophic tales is
not only impossible based on what mankind has observed in our
universe (science) but certainly isn't eyewitness testimony. You
should read Worlds in Collision and see for yourself that we aren't
dealing with a planet full witnesses but distortions of myths and
folklore.
Cheers
Jim
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Date: June 01, 2014 at 13:06:38
From: horst graben, [DNS_Address]
Subject: Re: so ... you were there ... but only you had your eyes closed (NT) |
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Date: June 01, 2014 at 13:46:47
From: JTRIV, [DNS_Address]
Subject: Re: ya got me! |
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Hi HG,
> so ... you were there ... but only you had your eyes closed
Ya got me HG! Yes, I was there 3500 years ago but right at the
crucial moment I sneezed! Dang it, my eyes closed and I didn't see a
thing!
Clever fellow!
LOL
Cheers
Jim
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Date: May 31, 2014 at 12:28:36
From: JTRIV, [DNS_Address]
Subject: Re: this "peripheral passage" hypothesis makes sense to me |
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Hi HG,
> but it does not seem to have gained any traction since i first read it ...
Not surprising. This Velikovsky follower recognizes there are issues with Velikovsky (and V himself admitted it) so he is trying to create a scenario to make the impossible work. And it doesn't as it's not well thought out.
He simply changes Venus being ejected from the core of Jupiter to Venus passing close by Jupiter and sent on a trajectory for a close encounter with Earth. That's actually a possible scenario... but unfortunately it still doesn't solve most of the issues which are of the multiple encounters, Earth stopping and starting then (as Nasirah) Venus's orbit become almost perfectly circular in a few thousand years.
So basically this new theory simply changes the Venus origin part of the story and doesn't resolve the primary issues regrading the movements of Venus/Earth/Mars and the laws of conservation of energy and conservation of angular momentum.
It certainly doesn't explain how Velikovsky's catastrophic events aren't recorded in ice cores, tree rings, ocean sediment from anywhere on the planet.
Cheers
Jim
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Date: May 31, 2014 at 15:45:09
From: horst graben, [DNS_Address]
Subject: Re: oh ... i see ... you were there also ... you and Nasirah |
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the both of you ... eye witnesses to history ... is that your story?
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Date: May 31, 2014 at 17:37:04
From: JTRIV, [DNS_Address]
Subject: Re: oh ... i see ... you were there also ... you and Nasirah |
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Hi HG,
No one needs to still be alive after 3500 years to point out the
impossibility as well as the complete lack of evidence of this
catastrophic fantasy, Basic laws of physics developed hundreds of
years ago shows these events were not possible. Even Velikovsky
himself admitted it. And electromagnetic theories have never shown
how the impossible could have happened. Along with the fact that
there isn't a shred of evidence of these catastrophes in ice cores,
tree rings, ocean sediment or anywhere it's pretty lame to ask if we
were there.
Cheers
Jim
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Date: May 31, 2014 at 22:23:39
From: mr bopp, [DNS_Address]
Subject: Re: oh ... i see ... you were there also ... you and Nasirah |
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it's lame to use absolutes when you don't know for sure...
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Date: May 30, 2014 at 13:00:36
From: Nasirah, [DNS_Address]
Subject: Re: this "peripheral passage" hypothesis makes sense to me |
URL: Why does Venus rotate backwards from the other planets? |
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Perhaps because in no way can it account for why Venus's orbit is the
most circular orbit in the entire Solar System. In mathematical terms,
the eccentricity of Venus is less than 0.01.
How do you you account this happening in just a few thousand years?
There is a peculiar aspect to the rotation of Venus that is thought to
have occurred billions of years ago in a catastrophic smash up. (see
link) But nothing directly linked to Jupiter within recorded history…
unless you believe there were humans around when the earth's moon
formed ;-)
PS The Rosetta spacecraft (and Philae lander) is approaching comet 67P
have you been to the bookmaker to place a bet that it will destroyed by
a thunderbolt - surely a sure thing according to your beliefs…
Comet Hunters: ‘This is the key moment’ >
http://www.euronews.com/2014/05/23/comet-hunters-this-is-the-
key-moment/
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Date: May 31, 2014 at 06:22:32
From: horst graben, [DNS_Address]
Subject: Re: so ... were you there when all this happened? |
URL: http://www.jamesphogan.com/books/info.php?titleID=37&cmd=sample&sample=79 |
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Science really doesn't exist. Scientific beliefs are either proved wrong, or else they quickly become engineering. Everything else is untested speculation.
-- James Patrick Hogan
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Date: May 31, 2014 at 07:50:50
From: Nasirah, [DNS_Address]
Subject: Re: so ... were you there when all this happened? |
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James Nicoll described Hogan as having fallen victim to the "brain eater" in a 1999 Usenet post, where he commented that "engineering training provides no
protection from nutty ideas."
;-)
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Date: May 31, 2014 at 11:33:51
From: horst graben, [DNS_Address]
Subject: Re: oh "James Nicoll" said it ... so i guess that's "proof"? |
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i could write some slanderous shit about you right now ... with no evidence whatsoever ... would that make the shit i wrote about you true?
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