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Date: April 14, 2014 at 18:59:22
From: trapper/austin, [DNS_Address]
Subject: " We are skeptical ..." bye-bye darwinism |
URL: http://www.dissentfromdarwin.org/ |
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" We are skeptical of claims for the ability of random mutation and natural selection to account for the complexity of life. Careful examination of the evidence for Darwinian theory should be encouraged."
There Is Scientific
Dissent From Darwinism.
It deserves to be heard.
"I signed the Scientific Dissent From Darwinism statement, because I am absolutely convinced of the lack of true scientific evidence in favour of Darwinian dogma. Nobody in the biological sciences, medicine included, needs Darwinism at all. Darwinism is certainly needed, however, in order to pose as a philosopher, since it is primarily a worldview. And an awful one, as George Bernard Shaw used to say."
Dr. Raul Leguizamon, Pathologist, and a Professor of Medicine at the Autonomous University of Guadalajara, Mexico
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Date: April 23, 2014 at 08:32:54
From: horst graben, [DNS_Address]
Subject: Re: evolution is a religious belief |
URL: http://www.earthboppin.net/talkshop/science/messages/4773.html |
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and ... as abiogenesis ... has never been proven to exist except in the fertile imaginations of a zealous priesthood
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Date: April 18, 2014 at 17:56:22
From: Akira, [DNS_Address]
Subject: Discovery Institute's "Scientific Dissent" Agenda |
URL: http://www.dissentfromdarwin.org/links.php |
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is to devolve the human capacity to think beyond a mythological origin storyline.
" Religion and Public Life. The worldview of scientific materialism has been pitted against traditional beliefs in the existence of God, Judeo-Christian ethics and the intrinsic dignity and freedom of man. Because it denies the reality of God, the idea of the Imago Dei in man, and an objective moral order, it also denies the relevance of religion to public life and policy. Our program on Religion and Civic Life defends the continuing relevance of traditional religious faith to public life within a pluralistic democracy. Specifically, it seeks to defend the importance of Judeo-Christian conceptions of the rule of law, the nature of man and the necessity of limiting the power of government. Thus, it also seeks to protect religious liberty, including its public expression in pluralistic democracies."
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Date: April 15, 2014 at 15:50:37
From: marc / berkeley, [DNS_Address]
Subject: Re: " We are skeptical ..." bye-bye darwinism |
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Trap-
Random mutation can have many forms. A meteorite hits
the planet. Solar radiation. Diet. The same dosages
of the various tropisms, may not lead to the same
mutation because of the differences in a individual
species lifestyle. Over time however, the trait could
become more pronounced.
No one has turned over Darwin yet, so close examination
of any theory should be encouraged. It looks to me
that if there are doubters, it is because not enough
people have challenged the theory to really understand
it.
The basis for species origin came from Darwin.
Evolution. You can even see it on inorganic tools
created by man. As science evolves, tools get better,
computers get faster, use less energy. The computers
of this year are better than computers of the previous
year? The same with televisions Why?
Would you want a mint condition PC/Ipad that just came
out or one that is in mint condition from 10 years ago?
Farmers choose the biggest & best seed from their crops
for the next generation. Why?
Domestication of animals revolutionized food
production. was this evolution? Why are dogs more
friendlier? Why can't domesticated fowl fly?
Nature can be roughly summed up as survival of the
fittest. True or false?
The Galapagos Islands allowed Darwin to formulate
evolution. How?
Fossil evidence. When? why should these records be
invalidated?
The very fact that the evolutionary process can take
timescales greater than a human lifetime doesn't
invalidate it.
I guess that means geology is invalidated, cosmology,
physics, they can all be philosophized, ergo
invalidated. Why?
You can bury your head in the ground, but it won't
exempt you from the laws of gravity. Philosophizing
Darwin won't invalidate him either.
No true scientist (amateurs included) would ever sign
such a document at your link.
It's like someone trying to tell me the Sun isn't a big
ball of glowing gas undergoing a fusion reaction, new
evidence deserves to be heard? Then trying to
invalidate the accepted point of view by saying, it's a
philosophy, ergo an opinion.
It's hard to hear what comes after.
I still have a difficult time trying to validate
something new and obscure that seems pointless. Why?
Because until proven it is an opinion, and ergo a
philosophy and not based on fact. At least not yet.
Prove me wrong.
--M
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Date: April 20, 2014 at 14:32:52
From: trapper/austin, [DNS_Address]
Subject: its pure fantasy |
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see a process in nature and declare that is how nature came into being?
go back to the drawing board.
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Date: April 21, 2014 at 12:24:26
From: marc / berkeley, [DNS_Address]
Subject: Re: its pure fantasy - NOT! |
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Trap-
So the most upsetting thing to you is that Scientists
see a process, and make a declaration?
I'm afraid you are going to have to be a bit more
specific. Processes? Are we talking:
• Photosynthesis
Photosynthesis is the process by which green plants are
able to use sunlight to make carbohydrates such as
sugars and starch. These activities look in more detail
at how photosynthesis is carried out by plants.
• Animal nutrition
Animal nutrition is different from plant nutrition –
animals cannot photosynthesise. For their nutrition
they are dependent on feeding, which they do
heterotrophically. Some animals – such as mammals –
feed holozoically, by taking in solid organic material.
The activities in this section look at the organs and
systems which are needed for holozoic nutrition.
• Respiration
Respiration is the process by which chemical energy
stored in foods is released to become useful energy
which enables living things to carry out the processes
of living. It requires the intake of oxygen, and
results in the excretion of carbon dioxide. It can
therefore be measured and investigated both for whole
organisms and at a cellular level.
• Transport systems in mammals
It is vital for animals to be able to transport all
kinds of substances to where they are needed in the
body, and to be able to remove waste products that are
not needed. The ways in which this is done are explored
in the lesson in this section.
• Transport systems in plants
Plants also need to be able to transport substances to
different parts of the plant. Sugars need to be moved
from the green leaves, where they are made by
photosynthesis, to other parts of the plants where they
are needed or where they will be stored.
• Homeostasis and excretion
Homeostasis means the maintenance of a steady state
within an organism. This is essential so that organisms
can carry out all the delicate living processes which
keep them alive. In order to ensure that the internal
state of an organism is not damaged, it is necessary to
remove waste products, and this process is called
excretion. This section offers a range of activities
which will allow students to investigate the
maintenance of the internal environment and excretion.
• Support and movement
Many animals are large and complex structures, capable
of rapid controlled movement. The activities here will
help students to understand how these structures are
maintained, and how movement can be achieved.
• Plant tropisms
Plants move in different and usually slower ways than
animals. There are a range of investigations here which
enable students to investigate the tropic movements of
plants.
• Mammalian nervous system
The mammalian nervous system permits the control and
management of most of the body’s other systems, and
also allows sensitivity and response to the
environment. These lessons suggest ways in which the
mammalian nervous system can be investigated.
• Endocrine system
The mammalian endocrine system relies on a range of
internal glands to secrete powerful biological
chemicals called hormones. These have significant and
long-lasting effects on the body. There are lessons
here which will help students to learn about the
endocrine system.
Additionally:
Biologists have actually seen new species come into
being.
Even insects like moths and butterflies that adapted to
the color of soot being emitted from the indutrial
revolution. The needed to blend in and adapted to the
new color of building. The one's easily seen didn't
survive because of predators.
We see some interesting adaptations to the environment,
some of them aren't always the most eye pleasing.
Recall, the extra lining along the inner nose that
infants in Mexico City now develop in response to high
levels of air pollution.
The extra inner eyelid that Arctic Innupiat natives
have evolved in order to avoid going blind from the
brightness of the snow.
I don't think you have a point until you can make a
better, more specific one. Do we currently have a
complete set of all biological processes? No. However,
we have a pretty good tool set, despite the fact that
there is more unknown than known.
Using common sense, by observation and experimentation,
Science prevails!
--M
( However isolating things help understand how things
work, but there are some philosophies that can be more
damaging, within and from outside. That's when ethics
can be helpful, but I digress.)
PS. Isn't the drawing board a tool used by science?
What is the counter, go back to the "animal-sacrifice
altar?"
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Date: April 25, 2014 at 18:42:26
From: steve wilson, [DNS_Address]
Subject: Re: its pure fantasy - NOT! |
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oh, im not upset. they are simply in error when they leave the creator out of the picture.
think about it. you might not believe in a creator. BUT IF he does exist, how can any "science" come to a final and correct conclusion? they never will. he does exist.
evolution is most definitely a process. it didnt create shit. it, too, was created as part of this wonderful natural world we are destroying because we deny god and treat it like we own it. phooey on that.
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Date: April 27, 2014 at 07:36:32
From: Akira, [DNS_Address]
Subject: Re: its pure fantasy - NOT! |
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"..this wonderful natural world we are destroying because we deny god and treat it like we own it. phooey on that. "
We can easily refute the existance of a god while still valuing and protecting the natural resources of the planet. You seem to suggest the former causes the latter, which is false.
Afterall, isn't it the bible itself which suggests 'ownership' and exploitation planet's resources to humans?
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Date: May 05, 2014 at 08:52:39
From: Karen in IL, [DNS_Address]
Subject: Absolutely NOT! |
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The bible teaches we are not only to ROTATE crops, but
that every seventh year we're to let the land lie fallow, so
that the animals can come in, eat any remainders, and
poop all over the place.
It's so that nutrients can be restored to the land instead of
constantly being taken away.
Man thought he could improve on God's ways; he can't.
Either that, or money is just more important to him.
Damn the consequences.
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Date: April 29, 2014 at 17:50:14
From: trapper/austin, [DNS_Address]
Subject: Re: its pure fantasy - NOT! |
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