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Date: December 31, 2013 at 05:45:01
From: horst graben, [DNS_Address]
Subject: science is now ... and always has been ... a refuge for frauds |
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How I published a fake paper, and why it is the fault of our education system
Pune techie busts science seminar racket
just wave your arms fast enough ... and you can "sell" damn near any blather ... and make it stick
exempli gratia ... Jan Hendrik Oort ... "dark matter" ... and the "Oort cloud"
"Astrophysicists hypothesized dark matter due to discrepancies between the mass of large astronomical objects determined from their gravitational effects and the mass calculated from the 'luminous matter' they contain: stars, gas, and dust. It was first postulated by Jan Oort in 1932 to account for the orbital velocities of stars in the Milky Way ... According to consensus among cosmologists, dark matter is composed primarily of a not yet characterized type of subatomic particle."
"The Oort cloud ... is a hypothesized spherical cloud of predominantly icy planetesimals that may lie roughly 50,000 AU, or nearly a light-year, from the Sun. ... no confirmed direct observations of the Oort cloud have been made ..."
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Date: December 31, 2013 at 05:48:08
From: horst graben, [DNS_Address]
Subject: Re: please ... while you still can ... take this emetic now |
URL: http://earthboppin.net/talkshop/space/messages/25399.html |
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Date: December 31, 2013 at 09:06:38
From: marc / berkeley, [DNS_Address]
Subject: Re: please ... while you still can ... take this emetic now |
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hg-
I likes what I read, it seemed logical for explaining
galactic spin. so here's where I have questions:
So why aren't we mining space for galactic electricity?
Wouldn't we be able to measure residual electric
fields?
Or are we in a neutral plasma conduit? forever kept
from reaping this energy bonanza.
Wouldn't the world's (i.e. north american) power grids
mysteriously short out from time to time from
intermittent magnetic fields that wouldn't be
attributable to solar effects or tiny critters like
squirrels? (not to mention motor vehicles intercepting
power poles)
Help me out here, would there be physical
manifestations of this electric universe theory? Not
just alternative explanations for things like black
holes (Stephen Hawking's PHD paper) and galactic spin?
There should be, and it should be quantifiable and
measurable.
Don't just tease us, give us more!!
lol!
--M
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Date: January 01, 2014 at 17:01:05
From: horst graben, [DNS_Address]
Subject: Re: finally ... black holes ... how practical ... even if they exist |
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Date: January 02, 2014 at 09:22:14
From: mr bopp, [DNS_Address]
Subject: Re: finally ... black holes ... how practical ... even if they exist |
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what is anything good for?
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Date: January 02, 2014 at 15:14:30
From: horst graben, [DNS_Address]
Subject: Re: i studied to become an engineer so i could help improve conditions |
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be a part of something to rid us of our dependence upon so-called fossil fuels
i envisioned wave energy projects and so forth that would be a boon for humanity
but instead we've got fracking and the environmental degradation that comes from it
we've got Fukushima Daiichi ... and i think we deserve it
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Date: February 01, 2014 at 02:21:32
From: Eve, [DNS_Address]
Subject: Re: i studied to become an engineer so i could help improve conditions |
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Why not wait till a form of energy you don't have to forcefully mold come
along and wait for that when you can fly with a thought? This place is
temporary, it's not forever. It's NEVER, NEVER Land. You seem kinda in-
between the two and the two don't mix IMO. Though it can be used for
the good what is dissected and polluted as much as it can be, it does not
belong to us, was given to care for. So thorns and thistles pop up and
the vineyards keepers kinda messed up the crops and weeds began to
abound. Just what it seems to be...it's a bridge to cross over to learn
what not to do and what to do in being a keeper of the vineyard.
Yet all has to come to pass and then all that stands is true and no one
ever had to prove anything but endearment and thankfulness one was
given a breath of goodness at all...Water conducts the voice, the voice of
a beautiful song created. Then dirty waters came and the water became
different, life yet not as much as when was truly pure.
Dryness conducts the internet and that is in ref. to your yogurt and fence
post thing....fence post is dry, dead. Yogurt has live bacterium...fence
post may have some critters living in it, but it's dry for the most part.
Poor some water on your computer see what happens, but first lay a
piece of fence post on it, see what happens, just a small piece. Do an
experiment...put some yogurt on your mother board...experiment. Yeah,
but does not one sorta know the outcome already? Not much point.
In the beginning...no nukes were Created so we must not have needed
them. All was good, then....murderer went off and built cities...and lots of
things grew that never meant to grow. What we see is an illusion,
trickery. Whispers...make this, try that...don't do what's right, do what's
wrong...confusion...it's not forever though cause it's NEVER NEVER land
here...pass it by.
Peace!
~Eve
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Date: January 01, 2014 at 16:59:40
From: horst graben, [DNS_Address]
Subject: lightning through air via "electrically conducting plasma channel" |
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lightning energy
"A typical cloud to ground lightning flash culminates in the formation of an electrically conducting plasma channel through the air in excess of 5 kilometres (3.1 mi) tall, from within the cloud to the ground's surface."
"An average bolt of negative lightning carries an electric current of 30,000 amperes (30 kA), and transfers 15 coulombs of electric charge and 500 megajoules of energy. Large bolts of lightning can carry up to 120 kA and 350 coulombs."
"The movement of electrical charges produces a magnetic field (see electromagnetism). The intense currents of a lightning discharge create a fleeting but very strong magnetic field. Where the lightning current path passes through rock, soil, or metal these materials can become permanently magnetized. This effect is known as lightning-induced remanent magnetism, or LIRM. These currents follow the least resistive path, often horizontally near the surface ... but sometimes vertically, where faults, ore bodies, or ground water offers a less resistive path."
harvesting lightning energy
"... a single bolt of lightning carries a relatively large amount of energy (approximately 5 billion joules ... or about the energy stored in 145 liters of petrol) ..."
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Date: December 31, 2013 at 10:45:17
From: horst graben, [DNS_Address]
Subject: Re: but in reality ... there's really no reason to travel to the sun |
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for our power ... if we would but tap a fraction of the plasma of lighting discharges ... we would be energy independent overnight
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Date: December 31, 2013 at 15:05:40
From: horst graben, [DNS_Address]
Subject: Re: had an idea once ... railway cars on axes that cross storm routes |
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have them automated so charge sensors track the big thunderstorms and have the cars move into position beneath the storms
of course the cars would not just be empty cars ... but rather be filled with large capacitor banks ... able to shunt a small portion of the plasma stream into the banks for storage ... and send the rest to ground
i don't know ... iron the kinks out ... it might work
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Date: December 31, 2013 at 10:32:15
From: horst graben, [DNS_Address]
Subject: despite your sarcasm ... it's a great idea ... sun is plasma generator |
URL: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sun |
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and if we could "mine" it ... the polluters would be out of business
from the link, "The Sun is the star at the center of the Solar System. It is almost perfectly spherical and consists of hot plasma interwoven with magnetic fields."
and ... of course ... you know what "plasma" is ... right?
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Date: December 31, 2013 at 10:38:37
From: horst graben, [DNS_Address]
Subject: but just in case i've introduced a concept of which you are ignorant |
URL: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Plasma_(physics) |
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from the link ... "Plasma ... is one of the four fundamental states of matter ... It comprises the major component of the Sun. Heating a gas may ionize its molecules or atoms (reducing or increasing the number of electrons in them), thus turning it into a plasma, which contains charged particles: positive ions and negative electrons or ions."
"The presence of a non-negligible number of charge carriers makes the plasma electrically conductive so that it responds strongly to electromagnetic fields. Plasma, therefore, has properties quite unlike those of solids, liquids, or gases and is considered a distinct state of matter. Like gas, plasma does not have a definite shape or a definite volume unless enclosed in a container; unlike gas, under the influence of a magnetic field, it may form structures such as filaments, beams and double layers. Some common plasmas are found in stars and neon signs. In the universe, plasma is the most common state of matter for ordinary matter, most of which is in the rarefied intergalactic plasma (particularly intracluster medium) and in stars."
had enough to chew on yet?
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Date: December 31, 2013 at 19:16:37
From: sheila, [DNS_Address]
Subject: Re: but just in case i've introduced a concept of which you are... |
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it's not a difficult concept David, Bremerton! IMHO, the "electric Universe" concept doesn't appear to include electromagnetics into the mix. Big difference therein.
BTW, though you dis the "Ort Cloud" hypothesis, it makes sense to most scientists that it is there.
I find it to be an elegant hypothesis but has yet to be proven as does your "electric Universe" missives.
Still, it's fun to play with!! :)
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Date: January 01, 2014 at 05:22:15
From: horst graben, [DNS_Address]
Subject: just so you know i'm less than impressed by your intellectual capacity(NT) |
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Date: January 09, 2014 at 02:01:32
From: La Man, [DNS_Address]
Subject: DIB, I mean David in Bremerton.. |
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Sheila is actually one of the smartest people on here. For a
layperson she is quite well read.
I know you like a few others on here have my designated Smartest
Kid In The Class (first hand up every time) syndrome, but, thing is
there is a difference between those that Have It All Figured Out
waiting for everyone else (ie those 99.99% left that are ignorant
plebes) to catch up, and those that still know how to use the
speakers, instead of grasping the microphone at every opporunity.
Notice how many threads you answer yourself more often than
anyone else? Why not just get a mirror and bedazzle yourself?
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