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Date: December 09, 2013 at 20:14:57
From: dib, [DNS_Address]
Subject: Geologist's Serious Challenge to GW Scientists. |
URL: Climate Cycles |
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Might have to eat a little crow here. Anderson is a credible scientist who presents a compelling argument that CO2 is not driving warming, and we are just undergoing a natural, periodic fluctuation in global temperature.
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Date: December 09, 2013 at 22:54:51
From: dib, [DNS_Address]
Subject: Correction: Paper is by Don J. Easterbrook (NT) |
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Date: December 10, 2013 at 00:06:55
From: dib, [DNS_Address]
Subject: Re: Correction: Paper is by Don J. Easterbrook (NT) |
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In my message starting this thread, I got the author confused with a geophysicist named Don L. Anderson: http://www.gps.caltech.edu/~dla/ My error in researching the name caused me to miss counter arguments to Don J. Easterbrook's report. After reading those arguments, I can no longer support Easterbrook's report and retract my prior message suggesting that his research is credible.
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Date: December 10, 2013 at 01:44:29
From: JTRIV, [DNS_Address]
Subject: Re: Correction: Paper is by Don J. Easterbrook (NT) |
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Hi dib,
So why don't you share with us what counter arguments you found that changed you mind that this was a compelling argument??
Cheers
Jim
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Date: December 10, 2013 at 09:39:26
From: dib, [DNS_Address]
Subject: Re: Correction: Paper is by Don J. Easterbrook (NT) |
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Fair question, but I don't want to play with you anymore, because you and I are on different tracks, and there is no benefit in staging another slugfest here.
Easterbrook's report is not as damaging to GW scientists as I initially thought on first read. The report's credibility seems to me to vanish completely in his attempting to remake GW into a cooling cycle, and there are some issues about deceptive "facts" and distortions of fact, as there are in some GW papers. You can look up counter arguments as well as I can, but since you obviously want something you can gleefully attack here, try the link. I do not intend to debate with you about the link, because it's a zero sum-game for me. That gives you the last word. I'm sure you will take advantage of it.
Jim, I repeat, I will let the climate scientists duke it out. Again, I suggest you do the same.
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Date: December 10, 2013 at 09:45:13
From: dib, [DNS_Address]
Subject: The Missing Link. No, I am not speaking of JTRIV. |
URL: Skeptical Science |
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Date: December 10, 2013 at 10:26:10
From: JTRIV, [DNS_Address]
Subject: Re: skepticalscience.com is not run by scientists |
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Hi dib,
Just keep in mind that skepticalscience.com is not run by climate scientists but by a bunch of activists. They often put up very poor, nonscientific and deceptive arguments.
Cheers
Jim
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Date: December 19, 2013 at 10:49:54
From: sheila, [DNS_Address]
Subject: Dana Nuccitelli is a scientist |
URL: http://www.skepticalscience.com/posts.php?u=1683 |
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compare to say Roger Pielke for instance who holds an MA in public policy and a PHD in political science:
Dana Nuccitelli is an environmental scientist at a private environmental consulting firm in the Sacramento, California area. He has a Bachelor's Degree in astrophysics from the University of California at Berkeley, and a Master's Degree in physics from the University of California at Davis. He has been researching climate science, economics, and solutions as a hobby since 2006, and has contributed to Skeptical Science since September, 2010.
Publications
Nuccitelli, D., Way, R., Painting, R., Church, J., & Cook, J. (2012). Comment on ocean heat content and Earth's radiation imbalance. II. Relation to climate shifts. Physics Letters A.
Cook, J., Nuccitelli, D., Green, S.A., Richardson, M., Winkler, B., Painting, R., Way, R., Jacobs, P., & Skuce, A. (2013). Quantifying the consensus on anthropogenic global warming in the scientific literature. Environmental Research Letters, 8(2), 024024+.
Benestad, R. E., Hygen, H. O., Dorland, R. V., Cook, J., & Nuccitelli, D. (2013). Agnotology: learning from mistakes. Earth System Dynamics Discussions, 4(1), 451-505.
Nuccitelli, D., Richter, M. J., & McCall, B. J. (2005). A search for interstellar carbon-60. In IAU Symposium (Vol. 235, p. 236P).
Encrenaz, T., Bézard, B., Greathouse, T., Holmes, S., Richter, M., Nuccitelli, D., & Forget, F. et al. (2006, February). Ground-based high-resolution IR spectroscopy of Mars: H2O and H2O2 mapping, search for CH4, and determination of CO2 isotopic ratios. In Second Workshop on Mars Atmosphere Modelling and Observations, held February.
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Date: December 19, 2013 at 14:33:53
From: JTRIV, [DNS_Address]
Subject: Re: Dana Nuccitelli is a scientist |
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Hi Sheila,
> compare to say Roger Pielke for instance who holds an MA in public policy and a PHD in political science
That is Roger Pielke Jr who was Director of the Center for Science and Technology Policy Research at the University of Colorado Boulder and his work is in the area of environmental policy.
Roger Pielke Sr. is a climate scientist with an MS and PhD in meteorology.
> Dana Nuccitelli is an environmental scientist at a private environmental consulting firm in the Sacramento, California area.
Actually he works for Tetra Tech which provides services to the oil, gas and mining industries. Just imagine if he wasn't an activist but instead showed a skeptical attitude. Wow, people would be all over him as being in the pay of big oil!
Cheers
Jim
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Date: December 19, 2013 at 16:31:23
From: sheila, [DNS_Address]
Subject: Re: Dana Nuccitelli is a scientist |
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that's already happened, wattsupwiththat has numerous articles linking him to big oil. My understanding of Dana's job is in a separate area of that corp that deals with green tech but I could be wrong?
There are other contributors to skeptical science which have PHDs in climate science too but I have no time to ferret them out, just remember seeing a list of scientists there and others too whose interest is in climate science but not necessarily scientists.
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