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Date: December 04, 2013 at 05:31:33
From: horst graben, [DNS_Address]
Subject: is it any wonder Professor Larry Scheckter had a fit? |
URL: http://tmgnow.com/repository/secret/velikovsky.html |
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the story makes my blood boil ... but there it is ... the same story told by human beings around the world
i suspect that had some secret communication device ... here-to-fore unknown by science ... and concocted this hare-brained story as a hoax for us literal-minded 21st century types
sure ... that was is ... they all got together ... formed a "cabal" ... and perpetrated a "conspiracy"
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Date: December 04, 2013 at 15:49:12
From: horst graben, [DNS_Address]
Subject: Re: to whom it may concern ... i'm not the the "answer man" |
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if you want an answer to a question ... look for it ... answer your own question
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Date: December 04, 2013 at 13:22:39
From: horst graben, [DNS_Address]
Subject: Re: collated evidence of human experience made them look like fools |
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so ... instead of re-examining their theories in light of the evidence ... they re-trenched and tried to protect their "sacred cows"
but their howls gave them away ... if there was nothing to Velikovsky ... why the vitriolic ad hominem attacks ... why the suppression of his book
no ... they really over-played a weak hand ... and that weak hand continues to bite them in the butt
try as they might ... they can't shut us up ... and wowie zowie ... does that perturb their "orbits"
becasue ... in the end ... it's the collation of the written records and oral traditions from humanity around the world that APPEAR to be referring to the SAME EVENT that puts "finis" to some strongly held scientific theories ... Velikovsky's dogged determination is ... inch by inch ... winning the day ... and ... i trust ... it won't be too long before the whole charade collapses and he is ... at long last ... vindicated
oh ... by the way ... where did i put that damn "graviton" ... i can't seem to find it anywhere
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Date: December 04, 2013 at 12:02:31
From: horst graben, [DNS_Address]
Subject: Re: "Gordon A. Atwater ... wrote to the Macmillan Company ..." |
URL: http://tmgnow.com/repository/secret/velikovsky.html |
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"Gordon A. Atwater, curator of the Hayden Planetarium, wrote to the Macmillan Company that, '... the theories presented by Dr. Velikovsky are unique and should be presented to the world of science in order that the underpinning of modern science can be re-examined. ... I believe the author has done an outstanding job. In fact, he has gone beyond what normally be expected of a single individual.'"
following his support of Velikovsky's work ... Atwater was "let go" from his position at the Hayden Planetarium
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Date: December 04, 2013 at 05:56:53
From: horst graben, [DNS_Address]
Subject: Re: "The Day The Sun Stood Still and How We Came To Forget It" |
URL: http://www.beforearmageddon.com/posts/the-day-the-sun-stood-still-remembering-velikovsky |
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"When the earth passed through the gases, dust, and meteorites of the tail of the comet, dirsturbed in rotation, it proceeded on a distorted orbit. Emerging from the darkness, the Eastern Hemisphere faced the head of the comet. This head only shortly before had passed close to the sun and was in a state of candescence. The night the great earthquake shook the globe was, according to rabbinical literature, as bright as the day of the summer solstice. Becauce of the proximity of the earth, the comet left its own orbit and for a while followed the orbit of the earth. The great ball of the comet retreated, then again approached the earth, shrouded in a dark column of gases which looked like a pillar of smoke during the day and of fire at night, and the earth once more passed through the atmosphere of the comet, this time at its neck. This stage was accompanied by violent and incessant electrical discharges between the atmosphere of the tail and the terrestrial atmosphere. There was an interval of about six days between these two close approaches. Emerging from the gases of the comet, the earth seems to have changed the direction of its rotation, and the pillar of smoke moved to the opposite horizon.1 (Cf. Exodus 14:19) The column looked like a gigantic moving serpent."
"When the tidal waves rose to their highest point, and the seas were torn apart, a tremendous spark flew between the earth and the globe of the comet, which instantly pushed down the miles-high billows. Meanwhile, the tail of the comet and its head, having become entangled with each other by their close contact with the earth, exchanged violent discharges of electricity. It looked like a battle between the brillant globe and the dark column of smoke. In the exchange of electrical potentials, the tail and the head were attracted one to the other and repelled one from the other. From the serpentlike tail extensions grew, and it lost the form of a column. It looked now like a furious animal with legs and with many heads. The discharges tore the column to pieces, a process that was acccompanied by a rain of meteorites upon the earth. It appeared as though the monster were defeated by the brilliant globe and buried in the sea, or wherever the meteorites fell. The gases of the tail subsequently enveloped the earth ..."
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Date: December 04, 2013 at 12:12:01
From: horst graben, [DNS_Address]
Subject: Re: Shapley ad hominem was followed by Whipple ad hominem |
URL: http://www.beforearmageddon.com/posts/the-day-the-sun-stood-still-remembering-velikovsky |
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"Some time ago, when Haley’s Comet so exercised the media, did it occur to anybody to mention our catastrophist theoretician? No, of course not! Not even the populist German TV show 'Haley Rendezvous'? Never! No one ever mentioned Velikovsky at all ..."
"... instead a Dr. Fred Whipple was proudly presented as a specialist on comets, director of the Harvard Observatory and successor to Shapley who in his day in one of his critiques had hurled this at Velikovsky,
'Are you a hoax or a crank?'"
Later Velikovsky simply commented on this: 'I took it.'"
"In the same article, Whipple had cnfronted him saying:
'... Your book is blasphemy to science and religion!'
whereby he unmasked himself. For if one feels that a good argument is a 'blasphemy to science,' one evidently regards science as a sacred cow and oneself as its high priest."
incidently ... a topic that's not been reported by the Velikovsky detractors ... is this little tidbit
"When Albert Einstein, with whom Velikovsky had communicated for many years (in German language, incidentally), learned shortly before his death that Jupiter does emit radio waves as Velikovsky had been claiming for decades, he offered to use his influence on [sic] order to facilitate further experiments according to Velikovsky instructions."
"But it was already too late. When Einstein died, an open copy of Velikovsky’s book 'Worlds in Collision' was found lying on his desk."
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Date: December 04, 2013 at 11:04:30
From: horst graben, [DNS_Address]
Subject: Re: Velikovsky suffered ad hominem insults from the scientific "mafia" |
URL: http://www.beforearmageddon.com/posts/the-day-the-sun-stood-still-remembering-velikovsky |
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very much like the knee-jerk reactions we see on these boards today ... they condemn what they don't understand ... and refuse to believe for fear of destroying their reputations
"In order to explain these traditions, Velikovsky needed to assume certain forces operating in the solar system that for the astronomers of the day did not exist. While they attributed all movements of heavenly bodies to the effects of gravity, Velikovsky considered gravity to be only a function of magnetism and electromotive force. The sun had to possess electrical charge, and its voltage had to be high enough to exert influence over the planets in their orbits. The magnetic field of the earth had to extend as far the moon, and Zeus-Jupiter, the father of Athena, had to emit radio waves, while Venus even as a very young planet must have had extremely high temperatures."
"The high priests of astronomical science regarded these views as sheer nonsense. Harlow Shapley, theoretician of the Milky Way and director of the Harvard Observatory, led the academic phalanx against Velikovsky, whom he chose to insult as '... one of the most erudite charlatans.'"
"Alarmed by a preprint of Velikovsky's theses, he organized a public rejection by five specialists in five different disciplines, none of whom had ever read the book. Mrs. Payne-Gaposchkin wrote a vitriolic review and was even proud of her ignorance of the text under review."
"During these months, so wrote the Harvard Crimson on September 25, 1950: '... an astonishing number of astronomers abandoned their telescopes be and devoted themselves to writing damning criticisms of "Worlds in Collision."'"
"Shapley managed to blackmail the Macmillan publishers into withdrawing the publication."
"Gordon Atwater, who had advocated an independent, unprejudiced investigation of Velikovsky’s theses, was sacked from his position as director of the Hayden Planetarium and head of the Section of Astronomy."
"D. Menzel, astronomer at Harvard, in order to ridicule Velikovsky before the students, had mischievously calculated the incredibly high figure of 1019 for the sun’s voltage if Velikovsky were to be believed. It is a poignant irony in the history of science that his Australian colleague V.A. Bailey later famously computed this very same figure for the sun’s charge."
"During the moon landing Velikovsky had asked NASA to mark the position of the lunar rocks brought back to earth because of their magnetism. He had received the answer that no provision was made for this, since there existed no magnetism on the moon. When magnetic rocks were brought back from the moon, their line was: 'Nobody in the scientific community had expected any residual magnetism.'"
don't we hear the same fecal matter spewed by the "acolytes of science" when comets exhibit characteristics as perscribed by the "electric comet" model?
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Date: December 04, 2013 at 13:59:30
From: Nasirah, [DNS_Address]
Subject: Re: Velikovsky suffered ad hominem insults from the scientific... |
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Quick Question - If these asteroids and comets are charged and
supposedly zap thunderbolts at nearby planets and the like. How come
then that Hayabusa spacecraft rendezvoused with the surface of asteroid
433 Eros with no lightning bolts.
Also Stardust encountered Comet Wild and returned samples without
getting zapped, along with a close approach to comet Tempel 1
What's your prediction for Rosetta when it lands on Comet 67P
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Date: December 04, 2013 at 15:23:18
From: Roger Hunter, [DNS_Address]
Subject: Re: Velikovsky suffered ad hominem insults from the scientific... |
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Now, now.
Don't confuse them with facts.
They'll just ignore it or claim you're part of the
conspiracy.
Roger
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Date: December 10, 2013 at 16:13:33
From: horst graben, [DNS_Address]
Subject: Re: that wasn't very nice Roger ... i thougt we were "buds" |
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in all the years we locked horns ... did i ever denigrate your mental capacity?
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Date: December 04, 2013 at 05:46:05
From: horst graben, [DNS_Address]
Subject: Re: "... as the earth brushed through the comet’s tail." |
URL: http://www.bibliotecapleyades.net/ciencia/esp_ciencia_velikovsky03.htm |
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but that couldn't happen ... could it ... the earth's orbit intercepting a comet's "tail" ... debris field
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Date: December 04, 2013 at 11:56:43
From: horst graben, [DNS_Address]
Subject: Re: Velikovsky showed "... need to draw upon ... human experience." |
URL: http://www.bibliotecapleyades.net/ciencia/esp_ciencia_velikovsky03.htm |
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"Whether or not Velikovsky’s basic theory is correct, he made several contributions to historical knowledge. Chief among these is that he has shown the need to draw upon the accumulated records of human experience."
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Date: December 04, 2013 at 09:16:01
From: JTRIV, [DNS_Address]
Subject: Re: "... as the earth brushed through the comet’s tail." |
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Hi HG,
> but that couldn't happen ... could it ... the earth's orbit intercepting a comet's "tail" ... debris field
Actually it could. In 1910 Earth passed through Halley's Comet's tail. 100 billion people died, the Earth shook for days, it rained chocolate, cats chased dogs.
It was terrible.
Cheers
Jim
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Date: December 04, 2013 at 05:35:23
From: horst graben, [DNS_Address]
Subject: Re: Velikovsky's Water Mountain(s) (don't it make your blood boil)? |
URL: http://www.datasync.com/~rsf1/vel/wtr_mtn.htm |
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it just gets better and better
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Date: December 04, 2013 at 11:53:15
From: horst graben, [DNS_Address]
Subject: Re: Personal Notes on Velikovsky - R. S. Fritzius |
URL: http://www.datasync.com/~rsf1/vel/rems.htm |
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