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From: Skywise, [DNS_Address]
Subject: Science...
URL: Science
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:) Brian |
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4234
From: horst graben, [DNS_Address]
Subject: one should never pose a question for which he does not have the answer(NT)
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From: horst graben, [DNS_Address]
Subject: Re: you don't know what "it" is ... do you (NT)
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From: horst graben, [DNS_Address]
Subject: Re: again ... what's the equation, who wrote it, what did it replace? (NT)
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From: marc / berkeley, [DNS_Address]
Subject: Re: Science...
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lol! it'd better or Einstein wouldn't be Einstein! Great post! --M |
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From: Skywise, [DNS_Address]
Subject: Re: Science...
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Yep. Anyone who says otherwise betrays their ignorance of what "science" is. Science is not perfect. Science doesn't have all the answers. Science makes mistakes. But, it learns from those mistakes. It finds the answers it didn't before. It grows. (which is a lot more than can be said of many of the deniers) It works. Anyone who still disagrees need only look at the modern world around them. If it were not for science and scientific thinking, all the technology they use to express that dissenting opinion on the 'interwebz' would not have been able to do so. For anyone who lives in the modern world, the success of science surrounds us every second of our lives, and it is undeniable. Brian |
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From: mr bopp, [DNS_Address]
Subject: Re: Science...
| the success of science?!?!?! puleeze...all of this technology that people use to express their ignorant and misguided thoughts? how wonderful...I think grunts and pointing worked just as well...but I agree, it works on your level... |
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From: Skywise, [DNS_Address]
Subject: Re: Science...
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Ryan, you are assigning attributes to science which are in reality properly attributed to persons - human nature. Science is no more than a tool. To use a cliche of an analogy, do guns kill people? No. People kill people. Guns are nothing more than a tool, which can just as easily be used to aid in the survival of people. How the tool is used is up to the humans using it. The gun itself can do nothing until someone picks it up and uses it. Yes, science has been used to do 'bad things'. But it has also, and I'd say inarguably, been used to do far more good. Anyway, your comment is just a red herring. It does nothing to disprove that science works. Brian |
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From: mr bopp, [DNS_Address]
Subject: Re: Science...
| it works, in a limited fashion...but it has done nothing to improve the state of humanity imo... |
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From: Skywise, [DNS_Address]
Subject: Re: Science...
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"it works, in a limited fashion" You seem to be implying that it does not always work. Can you give examples of it not working? "imo" You may have your opinion, but it has nothing to do with my point. Just another red herring. Brian |
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From: mr bopp, [DNS_Address]
Subject: Re: Science...
| it does not work on things it doesn't work on... |
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From: Skywise, [DNS_Address]
Subject: Re: Science...
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Ryan, you might think you are baiting me, but I suspect even others who are science deniers can see through your intentional obtuseness. Brian |
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From: mr bopp, [DNS_Address]
Subject: Re: Science...
| I'm just telling it like it is... |
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From: Skywise, [DNS_Address]
Subject: Re: Science...
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Then tell me.... how has science failed? All you have to do is give me on irrefutable concrete example. Just one. Brian |
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From: mr bopp, [DNS_Address]
Subject: Re: Science...
| monsanto |
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From: Skywise, [DNS_Address]
Subject: Re: Science...
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Whatever you may think of Monsanto is irrelevant (although I have a pretty good idea)... It still does not demonstrate a failure of science. It may demonstrate a failure of people. A person using or misusing science for nefarious or ignorant reasons is NOT a failure of science. It is a failure of the people trying to use it. Your arguments are making it increasingly clear that you do not understand what "science" *IS*. I don't argue against the idea that there are problematic situations in the world that were enabled through the use of science. But again, it's people using the tool of science to do those things. As with any tool, it can be used for good and bad. A machete can be used to harvest a crop, or it can be used to commit genocide (Rwanda). Science can be used to improve life - antibiotics, nuclear power, airliners, fertilizers. Science can also be used to take life - biological weapons, nuclear bombs, bombers, agent orange. Brian |
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From: mr bopp, [DNS_Address]
Subject: Re: Science...
| science is like a kid with a machine gun...it works, but to what end? it has given humanity nothing of value, nothing that has helped mankind reach its potential...it is like collecting stamps...a worthless expenditure of time (but it does keep weirdos off the streets)... |
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From: Skywise, [DNS_Address]
Subject: Re: Science...
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"science is like a kid with a machine gun..." And who is to blame? the machine gun? or the kid? or.... ???? To paraphrase a radio host I listen to, you can place a loaded gun on a table in the middle of a crowded shopping mall. That gun is going to sit there. it might sit there for years. But nothing is going to happen unless someone picks it up and starts shooting. The gun isn't going to do anything on it's own. It's the one using it. If you feel humanity has received nothing of value out of science (which is another argument entirely), then whose fault is that? Is it science's fault? or humanity's? Science will do nothing on it's own. It's like the gun sitting on the table. And to pull from your other post... "I don't care about any of that shit... " And therein lies your problem. Ryan, it's obvious you despise what humanity is doing to the world. I don't blame you. And much of it I probably agree with you on. The difference where we each lay the blame. I blame the people. Put the blame where it belongs. Brian |
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From: mr bopp, [DNS_Address]
Subject: Re: Science...
| I blame it on the guy where the buck stops...but science isn't going to "fix" anything...it's so pre-school in its present form...ever wonder why so many people do drugs? |
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From: Skywise, [DNS_Address]
Subject: Re: Science...
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You're just not "getting it" are you? :) That is not science. Brian |
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From: mr bopp, [DNS_Address]
Subject: Re: Science...
| there is no science without the scientist...therein lies the problem... |
4228
From: Skywise, [DNS_Address]
Subject: Re: Science...
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The faults you attribute to science are the fault of the scientists. If the scientists do not follow the science, then they have erred. The faults you seek to place on science are the faults of fallible human beings, human beings who may disregard the science, the evidence, the results due to human biases, desires, goals, agendas. Those things are the fault of humans, not science. Brian |
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From: mr bopp, [DNS_Address]
Subject: Re: Science...
| you cannot separate the two...I look at it like this: all humans are fallible, hence there are no enlightened scientists, therefore, science, even though premised on a reality, is worthless...if science occurs in a vacuum is it useful? |
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From: Skywise, [DNS_Address]
Subject: Re: Science...
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Sorry for the delay. Busy with other things. If science is worthless because humans are fallible, then is not everything humans do worthless? Brian |
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From: mr bopp, [DNS_Address]
Subject: Re: Science...
| bingo...thumb twiddling... |
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From: Skywise, [DNS_Address]
Subject: Re: Science...
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Well.... I guess it's time to go raping, pillaging, and plundering... after all, it's all worthless. Might as well enjoy myself, eh? Brian |
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From: mr bopp, [DNS_Address]
Subject: Re: Science...
| go for it if that's what floats your boat... |
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From: horst graben, [DNS_Address]
Subject: Re: i think it's sad that humanity has become slaves to science
| before science most people were farmers ... they lived on the land and off the land ... they earned their salt by the sweat of their brow ... sure life was sometimes "short and brutal" but so what ... i think that ... on the whole ... they were better off without all the complications and neuroses ... at heart i'm a "Luddite" |
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From: dreamz, [DNS_Address]
Subject: Re: Science...
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Do you visit a doctor/hospital for scientific / evidence based healthcare or do you see a shaman or witchdoctor? I bet you think of Skywise and say "bah! humbug" every time it gets dark you turn on a electric light switch. Are you wistfully nostalgic for good ol' whale oil lamps.... |
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From: mr bopp, [DNS_Address]
Subject: Re: Science...
| I don't care about any of that shit... |
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From: mr bopp, [DNS_Address]
Subject: Re: Science...
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From: Skywise, [DNS_Address]
Subject: Re: Science...
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Hilarious! What's scary is that people of this caliber are the ones constructing the infrastructure we use. Dunno what this has to do with this topic, though. Certainly not a demonstrating of a science failure. More like a demonstration of intelligence failure. Brian |
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From: mr bopp, [DNS_Address]
Subject: Re: Science...
| it's a concrete example... |
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From: Skywise, [DNS_Address]
Subject: Re: Science...
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That it is.... Sorry. Missed the humor the first time around. Posting while tired is not a good thing. Brian |
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From: mr bopp, [DNS_Address]
Subject: Re: Science...
| test |
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From: horst graben, [DNS_Address]
Subject: Re: i can give you a hint if you need one (NT)
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From: horst graben, [DNS_Address]
Subject: Re: so ... what's the equation, who wrote it, what did it replace? (NT)
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From: mr bopp, [DNS_Address]
Subject: Re: Science...
| only so far... |
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From: Skywise, [DNS_Address]
Subject: Re: Science...
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haahhaha.... you so funny!!! :) Brian |
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