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Date: December 04, 2023 at 04:44:07
From: akira, [DNS_Address]
Subject: Nevermind! there's ‘no science’ behind demands for phase-out of oil

URL: https://www.theguardian.com/environment/2023/dec/03/back-into-caves-cop28-president-dismisses-phase-out-of-fossil-fuels?trk=public_post_comment-text


Ken Klippenstein
Perhaps it was a mistake to let the head of the UAE’s state-owned oil
company run the UN’s climate conference

Guardian:

"The president of Cop28, Sultan Al Jaber, has claimed there is “no science”
indicating that a phase-out of fossil fuels is needed to restrict global heating
to 1.5C, the Guardian and the Centre for Climate Reporting can reveal.

Al Jaber also said a phase-out of fossil fuels would not allow sustainable
development “unless you want to take the world back into caves”.

The comments were “incredibly concerning” and “verging on climate denial”,
scientists said, and they were at odds with the position of the UN secretary
general, António Guterres.

Al Jaber made the comments in ill-tempered responses to questions from
Mary Robinson, the chair of the Elders group and a former UN special envoy
for climate change, during a live online event on 21 November. As well as
running Cop28 in Dubai, Al Jaber is also the chief executive of the United
Arab Emirates’ state oil company, Adnoc, which many observers see as a
serious conflict of interest.

Cop28 president refuses to commit to phasing out fossil fuels – video
00:07:39
Cop28 president refuses to commit to phasing out fossil fuels – video
More than 100 countries already support a phase-out of fossil fuels and
whether the final Cop28 agreement calls for this or uses weaker language
such as “phase-down” is one of the most fiercely fought issues at the
summit and may be the key determinant of its success. Deep and rapid cuts
are needed to bring fossil fuel emissions to zero and limit fast-worsening
climate impacts.

Al Jaber spoke with Robinson at a She Changes Climate event. Robinson
said: “We’re in an absolute crisis that is hurting women and children more
than anyone … and it’s because we have not yet committed to phasing out
fossil fuel. That is the one decision that Cop28 can take and in many ways,
because you’re head of Adnoc, you could actually take it with more
credibility.”

Al Jaber said: “I accepted to come to this meeting to have a sober and
mature conversation. I’m not in any way signing up to any discussion that is
alarmist. There is no science out there, or no scenario out there, that says
that the phase-out of fossil fuel is what’s going to achieve 1.5C.”

Robinson challenged him further, saying: “I read that your company is
investing in a lot more fossil fuel in the future.” Al Jaber responded: “You’re
reading your own media, which is biased and wrong. I am telling you I am the
man in charge.”

Al Jaber then said: “Please help me, show me the roadmap for a phase-out
of fossil fuel that will allow for sustainable socioeconomic development,
unless you want to take the world back into caves.”

“I don’t think [you] will be able to help solve the climate problem by pointing
fingers or contributing to the polarisation and the divide that is already
happening in the world. Show me the solutions. Stop the pointing of fingers.
Stop it,” Al Jaber said.

Guterres told Cop28 delegates on Friday: “The science is clear: The 1.5C
limit is only possible if we ultimately stop burning all fossil fuels. Not reduce,
not abate. Phase out, with a clear timeframe.”

Bill Hare, the chief executive of Climate Analytics, said: “This is an
extraordinary, revealing, worrying and belligerent exchange. ‘Sending us
back to caves’ is the oldest of fossil fuel industry tropes: it’s verging on
climate denial.”

“Al Jaber is asking for a 1.5C roadmap – anyone who cares can find that in
the International Energy Agency’s latest net zero emissions scenario, which
says there cannot be any new fossil fuel development. The science is
absolutely clear [and] that absolutely means a phase-out by mid-century,
which will enhance the lives of all of humanity.”

Prof Sir David King, the chair of the Climate Crisis Advisory Group and a
former UK chief scientific adviser, said: “It is incredibly concerning and
surprising to hear the Cop28 president defend the use of fossil fuels. It is
undeniable that to limit global warming to 1.5C we must all rapidly reduce
carbon emissions and phase-out the use of fossil fuels by 2035 at the latest.
The alternative is an unmanageable future for humanity.”

Dr Friederike Otto, of Imperial College London, UK, said: “The science of
climate change has been clear for decades: we need to stop burning fossil
fuels. A failure to phase out fossil fuels at Cop28 will put several millions
more vulnerable people in the firing line of climate change. This would be a
terrible legacy for Cop28.”

Otto also rejected the claim that fossil fuels were necessary for development
in poorer countries, saying that the latest report from the Intergovernmental
Panel on Climate Change “shows that the UN’s sustainable development
goals are not achievable by continuing the current fossil-driven high
emission economies. [There are] massive co-benefits that come with
changing to a fossil-free world”.

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A spokesperson for Cop28 said: “The IEA and IPCC 1.5C scenarios clearly
state that fossil fuels will have to play a role in the future energy system,
albeit a smaller one. The Cop president was quoting the science, and leading
climate experts.

“He has clearly said that the oil and gas industry must tackle scope 1 and 2
emissions [from their operations], must invest in clean energy and clean
technologies to address scope 3 emissions [from burning fuels], and that all
industry must align around keeping the north star of 1.5C within reach.

“Once again, this is clearly part of a continued effort to undermine the Cop
presidency’s tangible achievements and a misrepresentation of our position
and successes to date.”

The spokesperson said the presidency had operationalised the loss and
damage fund with more than $700m, launched a $30bn private market
climate vehicle, and brought 51 oil companies to agree decarbonisation
targets and 119 countries to sign a pledge to triple renewable energy. “This is
just the beginning,” the spokesperson said.

Al Jaber is also head of Masdar, the UAE’s renewable energy company, but
his appointment as Cop28 president has been controversial. Shortly before
the summit, leaked documents showed that the UAE had planned to use
climate meetings with governments to promote oil and gas deals. Al Jaber
denied having seen or used the talking points in the documents. Adnoc also
has the largest net-zero-busting expansion plans for oil and gas, according
to independent analysis.

The issue of a phase-out or phase-down is complicated by the terms not
having agreed definitions and by the highly uncertain role of technologies to
“abate” emissions, such as carbon capture and storage. “Keeping the Paris
agreement targets alive will require a full fossil fuel phase-out, not a vague
phase-down relying on unproven technologies,” said Otto.

More than 100 African, European, Pacific and Caribbean countries back a
phase-out of unabated fossil fuels. The US, the world’s biggest oil and gas
producer, also backs a phase-out. Others, such as Russia, Saudi Arabia and
China, reject the call. Both options are on the table at Cop28, as well as
proposals to only mention coal, or to not say anything at all about fossil fuels.

Cop26 in Glasgow in 2021 agreed for the first time to “phase down” coal use,
but this had been watered down from “phase out” at the last minute, bringing
the Cop26 president, Alok Sharma, to tears.

In his conversation with Robinson, Al Jaber also said: “A phase-down and a
phase-out of fossil fuel in my view is inevitable. That is essential. But we
need to be real serious and pragmatic about it.”


“Hold on. Let me just explain,” he said. “The world will continue to need
energy sources. We [UAE] are the only ones in the world today that have
been decarbonising the oil and gas resources. We have the lowest carbon
intensity.”

This refers to the emissions from the energy used to extract fossil fuels, not
the far larger emissions from burning the fuels. “There is no such thing as
‘low carbon’ or ‘lower carbon’ oil and gas,” said Otto.

Numerous commentators have said that negative or embarrassing
revelations about Al Jaber and Adnoc increase the pressure on him to deliver
a strong Cop28 deal. The Guardian reported recently that state-run UAE oil
and gas fields had been flaring gas almost daily despite having committed 20
years ago to a policy of zero routine flaring.

The Guardian previously reported that Adnoc had been able to read emails to
and from the Cop28 office until the Guardian raised the issue in June and
that the UAE had also failed to report its oil industry’s emissions of the
powerful greenhouse gas methane.

Harjeet Singh, at Climate Action Network, said: “Cop28 must deliver a
decision on phasing out fossil fuels in a just and equitable manner, without
any loopholes or escape routes for the industry to continue expanding and
exacerbating the climate crisis.”

Cop28: Can fossil fuel companies transition to clean energy?
On Tuesday 5 December, 8pm-9.15pm GMT, join Damian Carrington,
Christiana Figueres, Tessa Khan and Mike Coffin for a livestreamed
discussion on whether fossil fuel companies can transition to clean energy.
Book tickets here or at theguardian.live


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Date: December 06, 2023 at 13:53:16
From: akira, [DNS_Address]
Subject: Earth on verge of 5 catastrophic climate tipping points, scientists wa

URL: https://www.theguardian.com/environment/2023/dec/06/earth-on-verge-of-five-catastrophic-tipping-points-scientists-warn


Earth on verge of five catastrophic climate tipping points, scientists warn

"Humanity faces ‘devastating domino effects’ including mass displacement
and financial ruin as planet warms

Many of the gravest threats to humanity are drawing closer, as carbon
pollution heats the planet to ever more dangerous levels, scientists have
warned.

Five important natural thresholds already risk being crossed, according to
the Global Tipping Points report, and three more may be reached in the
2030s if the world heats 1.5C (2.7F) above pre-industrial temperatures.

Triggering these planetary shifts will not cause temperatures to spiral out of
control in the coming centuries but will unleash dangerous and sweeping
damage to people and nature that cannot be undone.

“Tipping points in the Earth system pose threats of a magnitude never faced
by humanity,” said Tim Lenton, from the University of Exeter’s Global
Systems Institute. “They can trigger devastating domino effects, including
the loss of whole ecosystems and capacity to grow staple crops, with
societal impacts including mass displacement, political instability and
financial collapse.”

The tipping points at risk include the collapse of big ice sheets in Greenland
and the West Antarctic, the widespread thawing of permafrost, the death of
coral reefs in warm waters, and the collapse of one oceanic current in the
North Atlantic.

Unlike other changes to the climate such as hotter heatwaves and heavier
rainfall, these systems do not slowly shift in line with greenhouse gas
emissions but can instead flip from one state to an entirely different one.
When a climatic system tips – sometimes with a sudden shock – it may
permanently alter the way the planet works.

Scientists warn that there are large uncertainties around when such systems
will shift but the report found that three more may soon join the list. These
include mangroves and seagrass meadows, which are expected to die off in
some regions if the temperatures rise between 1.5C and 2C, and boreal
forests, which may tip as early as 1.4C of heating or as late as 5C.

A ravaged mangrove tree silhouetted against a dusk skyline in the Ujong
Pancu area, Banda Aceh, Indonesia.

Mangrove forests can protect land areas from rising sea levels and coastal
abrasion, but they are at risk. Photograph: Hotli Simanjuntak/EPA
The warning comes as world leaders meet for the Cop28 climate summit in
Dubai. On Tuesday, Climate Action Tracker estimated that their emissions
targets for 2030 put the planet on track to heat 2.5C by the end of the
century, despite promises from countries at a previous summit to try to limit
it to 1.5C.

The tipping point report, produced by an international team of 200
researchers and funded by Bezos Earth Fund, is the latest in a series of
warnings about the most extreme effects of climate change.

Scientists have warned that some of the shifts can create feedback loops
that heat the planet further or alter weather patterns in a way that triggers
other tipping points.

The researchers said the systems were so tightly linked they could not rule
out “tipping cascades”. If the Greenland ice sheet disintegrates, for instance,
it could lead to an abrupt shift in the Atlantic Meridional Overturning
Circulation, an important current that delivers most of the heat to the gulf
stream. That, in turn, can intensify the El Niño southern oscillation, one of the
most powerful weather patterns on the planet.

The co-author Sina Loriani, from the Potsdam Institute for Climate Impact
Research, said tipping-point risks could be disastrous and should be taken
very seriously, despite the remaining uncertainties.

“Crossing these thresholds may trigger fundamental and sometimes abrupt
changes that could irreversibly determine the fate of essential parts of our
Earth system for the coming hundreds or thousands of years,” he said.

In its latest review of climate change science, the Intergovernmental Panel on
Climate Change found that tipping thresholds were unclear but the dangers
would grow more likely as the planet heats up.

It said: “Risks associated with large-scale singular events or tipping points,
such as ice-sheet instability or ecosystem loss from tropical forests,
transition to high risk between 1.5C to 2.5C and to very high risk between
2.5C to 4C.”

The tipping point report also looked at what it called “positive tipping points”,
such as the plummeting price of renewable energy and the growth in sales of
electric vehicles. It found that such shifts do not happen by themselves but
need to be enabled by stimulating innovation, shaping markets, regulating
business, and educating and mobilising the public.

A study from the report’s co-author Manjana Milkoreit last year warned
against overusing the label of social tipping points by promising solutions
that did not exist at scale or could not be controlled.

“While scholarship benefits from hope, we need to exercise caution when
offering social tipping points as potential solutions to the temporal squeeze
of climate change,” she wrote.

This article was amended on 6 December 2023. An earlier version
incorrectly referred to “atmospheric circulation”, rather than oceanic current,
in the North Atlantic."


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18902


Date: December 04, 2023 at 08:39:22
From: Redhart, [DNS_Address]
Subject: Re: Nevermind! there's ‘no science’ behind demands for phase-out of...


this sultan has no business being president of
cop28..and these climate change events should not be
held in OPEC companies at all.


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18909


Date: December 04, 2023 at 13:57:00
From: chaskuchar@stcharlesmo, [DNS_Address]
Subject: Re: Nevermind! there's ‘no science’ behind demands for phase-out...


everything about it is politics and phony information to
start with.


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