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Date: April 06, 2023 at 09:12:25
From: eaamon, [DNS_Address]
Subject: going to buy a EV electric vehicle? Hmmm |
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I see the flood gates finally opening on EV cars and trucks.
GM has been advertising them for years with teasers but no real products.
as a retired master mechanic, let me give you a little guide.
1) I bought one, a 2020 Tesla model S. this after they were in production for "8 years."
I think they have the kinks all out of them. recalls ETC.
2) many new ones are surfacing some look promising and may even perform better than a Tesla.
3) GM had many Bolts on the road but recalled and removed them all from the road. (a few exceptions)
battery issues. I think they refurbished them and Dominoes has them as delivery
cars now. they produced just 2 Hummer EVs this quarter.
4) some rich people are buying EVs just to get a tax credit and then reselling them.
you may see many used ones and this is why. it was going on when Tesla first started out.
5) you might see even used EV I believe have a tax credit of a smaller sort.
6) I'll mention this as I feel Tesla is far ahead of many makers by years.
My son called them a computer on wheels.
Tesla is on their 4th computer being made now.
question is would you buy a used computer? think about that..
7) when I first got mine they recommended charge to 80% and drive down to 20%
before recharging. on a 400 mile range car 80% was charge to 320 miles
and drive to 20% 80 miles to go. effectively 240 range.
many new cars are near the same recommendations.
although a 300 mile car those numbers you can calculate the available miles yourself.
8) I do home charge mine on a 120V 15 amp standard plug at 3 miles a hour.
golf course is 6 miles round trip and grocery stores are about 2 miles away.
so it is easy for me.
but a home charger at 240 Volt at 50 amp will get most around 25 miles a hour
if you are a commuter. over night charge will get you both ways just fine.
I hope this helps you on making a choice if you do.
in 2016 Tesla gave any EV builder free access to it already software for EVs
in hopes it will start makers off.
it was during the 2016 model year it started it's full self driving software build.
years ahead by now, just for thought.
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Date: April 11, 2023 at 16:57:26
From: The Hierophant, [DNS_Address]
Subject: Re: going to buy a EV electric vehicle? Hmmm |
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Some of my biggest hesitations in getting an EV car are
many including that our country is no where near (nor
will it be in 10 years) to effectively and efficiently
address the charging of these vehicles (it still can be
VERY challenging to find recharging stations,
especially when one gets out of the cities)
--How are low income families going to afford an EV -
It is my understanding that a at-home one is about
$20,000 and a new battery runs about $5-20,000.
--what if the grid goes down due to weather or other
reasons (well, there you go - you can't go anywhere
anymore or are limited how far you can go); and there
just are not enough charging stations.
--And HOW is electricity produced when there isn't
enough water (I think of the Colorado river situation
and the dam that might not be able to generate)
--My limited understanding of the battery production
and all the internal computer 'stuff' - there is a lot
of toxicity involved.
--Can the onboard computer can be hacked into - or at
least all the recharging stations could be and we have
seen what happens when airline/airport hacks occur.
- Finally, what happens when you have an issue with the
EV - say your thought you could make a certain map
point but ran out of juice - do the tow trucks carry ev
battery rechargers??
IDK, maybe I am just old school, but I still think
there HAS to be another way beside electric vehicles.
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Date: April 07, 2023 at 07:02:11
From: eaamon, [DNS_Address]
Subject: Re: going to buy a EV electric vehicle? Hmmm |
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Ok and answers.
I have charged my 400 mile car to about 100% on trips and the day before I leave.
I only stop off at part way to charge for 30 minutes while stretching my old legs
and bathroom needs. I have driven 296 miles or so from Scranton PA to Westford MA
on a single charge and one rest area stop and walk (ate at Panera while it charged fully.)
I have driven from TN to MA twice and one trip to Salinas CA another trip
to a wedding in Tahoe NV side.
as for those who say battery waste. well a new Tesla board member just announced
yesterday or the day before, one of the founders left the company and has open a
battery recycle plant to recover everything from used depleted batteries.
during auto usage Tesla has a way of reusing any defective battery packs
by removing good modules and installing them in Tesla powerwalls. still giving those
powerwalls a full guarantee similar to the autos for 8 years.
by the way when I got to Westford MA I still had 70 more miles left to drive
according to my computer. I did not have a full 400 mile charge but it was near 385.
you also need to know I have the older style battery.
the new batteries are LFP and those are recommended to charge to 100%.
Reason is they changed out the 12 volt system older lead acid battery/ 3 years
was all they lasted. now those are LFP and should last the life of the larger High
voltage battery. note: GM has decided to make the same and closed two battery plants
for the change out.
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Date: April 11, 2023 at 11:19:04
From: Captainj, [DNS_Address]
Subject: Re: going to buy a EV electric vehicle? Hmmm |
URL: Link |
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Eeamon
The trailers we use are either HD bumper or Gooseneck,
so that would preclude going EV on that front.
The charge costs are only part of the equation, where
is the electricity being generated, and by what means?
As far as recycling goes, where do the parts of the
batteries that are no longer viable wind up? I would
guess much like windmill blades…
Curious, yes – ‘the last free lifetime supercharging
vehicle’, does this mean that that option is no longer
offered?
Having to sweat out getting to a charging station does
not sound like fun to me. I do understand that there
are maps by Tesla showing charging stations, but what
if the area you are in is on a reduced part of the grid
and you are not allowed to charge? We also enjoy taking
only a few minutes to fill up and continue, whereas one
would have to spend how much time to recharge?
I am not against EVs, I just do not believe we, as a
country or world, are ‘there yet’. I know we are making
good strides in infrastructure and recycling but it
will be on down the road before we will be truly ready
for an EV fleet that is good for cross-county travel.
As far as the trip planner goes, see link (yep, I am a
smarty pants). Actually, it is called Rand McNally and
printed out. We make a decision to go from point A to
Point B, but we close our eyes, take a pencil and point
to the map, and go where the pencil points us. One trip
we made from Texas to Portland, OR took us 14 days!
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Date: April 12, 2023 at 15:14:19
From: Elaine, [DNS_Address]
Subject: Re: going to buy a EV electric vehicle? Hmmm |
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...and there I can remember hubby and I investing in a 400.00 electric scooter about 20 years ago, a lot of people did, and then they were BANNED from use.
We bought it from a car dealer and shortly thereafter they were banned. There were even signs posted at the campgrounds we used to go to - couldn't use it there, either.
We ended up selling it for 50 bucks to a local farmer.
The hypocrisy of it all really pisses me off
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Date: April 12, 2023 at 18:45:20
From: eaamon, [DNS_Address]
Subject: Re: going to buy a EV electric vehicle? Hmmm |
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that is the why I waited 8 years before getting into a EV myself.
wanted the bugs to be out of it.
although the Nissan leaf has been around for some time too. my sister has one
about 6 years old. she may drive it once a month.
she usually rides a motor scooter, gas one at that.
I believe there were issues with battery fires.
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Date: April 07, 2023 at 08:41:09
From: Eve, [DNS_Address]
Subject: Re: going to buy a EV electric vehicle? Hmmm |
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Enjoy your purchase from the fantastical mind and element bending works of Elon he is after all a fantastical
illusionist with big charms and a big price tag $ (in more ways than one...mostly hidden costs for all.. whee!).
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Date: April 06, 2023 at 13:34:08
From: Eve, [DNS_Address]
Subject: Re: going to buy a EV electric vehicle? Hmmm |
URL: https://www.colorado.edu/ecenter/2021/04/15/hidden-damage-landfills |
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Consider the increase toxic trash and other woes that come from industrial manufacturing thus increase the issues of
environmental well being and compromise the health of the inhabitants. Further it will be a greater toxic landfill
burden....There is a lack of landfills and more space for more trash involves higher fees for waste disposal. Sure
for some it's trendy and the thing to have in certain circles for flash I for one remain unimpressed by such...but
that's me.
LANDFILLS: WE'RE RUNNING OUT OF SPACE:
https://www.roadrunnerwm.com/blog/landfills-were-running-out-of-space
A DEAD BATTERY DILEMMA:
https://www.science.org/content/article/millions-electric-cars-are-coming-what-happens-all-dead-batteries
The Hidden Damage of Landfills
https://www.colorado.edu/ecenter/2021/04/15/hidden-damage-landfills
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Date: April 06, 2023 at 15:09:46
From: pamela, [DNS_Address]
Subject: Re: going to buy a EV electric vehicle? Hmmm |
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agree 👍❗❗ and still too expensive even if there were
not these factors.
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Date: April 06, 2023 at 13:30:33
From: Captainj, [DNS_Address]
Subject: Re: going to buy a EV electric vehicle? Hmmm |
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I investigated obtaining one, but… There are several
factors that were not to my liking.
1. The range, when home I do not stay within the area
as we always travel on my off time. Taking in 6-700
miles per day would not be possible due to the charging
issues…
2. Another would be the source of the electricity, not
exactly green by any means…
3. Source of the materiel to produce the battery, not
exactly green either…
4. Replace and possibly recycle the battery, not green
either…
5. Infrastructure to charge the vehicle is not in place
and do not see it 80-100% for 20 years or so,
especially for long trips.
6. I do a fair amount of towing and the range of the
vehicle is drastically reduced, which leads back to the
charging and range issues.
7. Can the supplier of the charger refuse to charge the
vehicle if there is reduced electrical generation?
Until they sort most of this out, I personally do not
see EVs as a viable source of transportation.
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Date: April 08, 2023 at 00:13:43
From: ryan, [DNS_Address]
Subject: Re: going to buy a EV electric vehicle? Hmmm |
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i'm more in favor of hybrids, such as the prius...it recharges itself, and gets around 50 mph...good compromise imo...the new ev trucks say they have a 500 mile range...
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Date: April 11, 2023 at 11:21:28
From: Captainj, [DNS_Address]
Subject: Re: going to buy a EV electric vehicle? Hmmm |
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I love the Prius, especially when they pull up alongside
the Deuce... Have been watching the videos of the new ev
trucks and sans a trailer do ok, with a trailer not so
much...
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Date: April 07, 2023 at 07:19:13
From: eaamon, [DNS_Address]
Subject: Re: going to buy a EV electric vehicle? Hmmm |
URL: Tesla trip planner and charge stations along with charge times. |
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Captainj
I agree with a towing issue. a light small trailer could be done but a large
5th wheel will not happen.
charge costs when my car is at home is about $10.00 from 20% to 100% charge.
on the road people pay about $28 a hour. but since stops are usually
30 minutes it is about half that.
I answered the battery recycle issue in my other post.
also if you are curious, I bought the last free lifetime supercharging vehicle
on my dealers lot. cross country trips are free for me.
I had only one issue in Texas during the heat wave and was only able to charge my car
at 1/2 the charge rate. did that enough to get me to the next state, 100+ degree day there.
I added a link to Tesla trip planner. type in yours.
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Date: April 06, 2023 at 15:07:43
From: pamela, [DNS_Address]
Subject: Re: going to buy a EV electric vehicle? Hmmm |
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I agree, Capt'n. And also not reliable to be safe in any
kind of severe storms/and or freezing temps and then
getting stuck on some free-way/hiway.
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Date: April 07, 2023 at 07:32:12
From: eaamon, [DNS_Address]
Subject: Re: going to buy a EV electric vehicle? Hmmm |
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Pam, during the I-81 shut down and blizzard last winter Tesla HVAC systems have a camp mode.
it will keep the car warm for a few days. it also has a keep mode and a dog mode to
keep pets comfortable while you shop. in summer it keeps the car cool too same way.
you do not need to keep a gas car running and maybe carbon monoxide poisoning.
people on the I-81 shutdown ran out of gas as it was over 24 hours before it was cleared.
the Tesla driver took it out of camp mode and drove to his next charge station.
Tesla uses a heat pump that is very economical.
feel free to ask any more questions, I am thinking of buying another one
and giving away one of my two gas or ICE vehicles.
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