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Date: July 28, 2022 at 20:26:31
From: pamela, [DNS_Address]
Subject: How Los Angeles is Restoring its Ancient River System into an Urban Gr

URL: https://youtu.be/qW_eeWwr-Ls


How Los Angeles is Restoring its Ancient River System
into an Urban Green Oasis
(they began this in the late 80's, hope they keep it
up)
Los Angeles is the largest city in the state of
California with a population of 3.8 million. The
climate is classified as a Mediterranean, with hot dry
summers and mild winters. Most rain occurs during the
winter and early to mid spring.

However, since the 2000s, the people in Los Angeles
have been affected by ever increasing droughts. The
longest recorded drought in California lasted 6 years
between December 2011 and ending March 2017. As the
demand for water increases and as droughts continue,
California's water supply has been dropping to
historically low levels. California's interconnected
water system serves over 30 million people and
irrigates over 2,300,000 of farmland. Through a
complicated web of dams, aqueducts, and pipelines which
moves the water across the state, drawing from 157
million acres of land spanning across eight states. It
is said to be the world's largest and most productive
water system, making California’s watersheds one of the
most altered on earth, which in turn has had a
detrimental effect on the natural environment.

In the city of Los Angeles, groundwater represents
close to one-tenth of the water supply and the majority
of the city's water supply once flowed through the Los
Angeles aqueduct. Now, over 50% flows through the
Colorado river aqueduct, which can deliver 1 billion
gallons of water per day to Southern California.

80% of the rainwater that Los Angeles receives runs out
to the sea, mainly due to the impermeable surfaces of
the cityscape, such as paved sidewalks and tarmac roads
that allow water to rapidly drain into the flood
control system, and eventually flows out into the
ocean. Its estimated that around 25-30 billion gallons
of stormwater from the Los Angeles river watershed is
drained into the ocean each year.

Los Angeles is geographically situated in a flood plain
where the Los Angeles rivers flows and before the
opening of the Los Angeles aqueduct, the river was the
primary source of fresh water for the city. Due to
rapid industrialization in the last century the Los
Angeles river became heavily polluted from agricultural
and urban runoff, which has had a negative impact on
the health of the residents and the environment.

However the city of Los Angeles have been turning this
around in this video, we will show you how the local
residents of LA city have been transforming the Los
Angeles river, using natural based solutions to restore
the watershed, improving the lives of hundred of
thousands of people by increasing biodiversity and
improving water security.

Find out more through: Friends of the LA River


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Date: August 05, 2022 at 17:14:18
From: akira, [DNS_Address]
Subject: Re: How Los Angeles is Restoring its Ancient River System into an...

URL: This activist bought 4.5 acres of the L.A. River just to have a stake in its revitalization


Thanks for posting. This is one of LA's stellar moves!

Steve Appleton was one of my most memorable profs at art school..very
creative, smart & a really nice guy. He made me love building things.

2019

This activist bought 4.5 acres of the L.A. River just to have a stake in its
revitalization

An official with the U.S. Army Corps of Engineers once told Steven Appleton
that there were no more frogs in Frogtown.

It was the kind of offhanded comment that made Appleton — as close as
there is to a steward of Frogtown’s amphibians — wish for a cudgel to wake
up feckless bureaucrats. Now, the Elysian Valley artist has obtained that
cudgel.

With $15,000 from an anonymous donor, Appleton, who leads wading
expeditions for frog-listening and kayaks for river tours, has purchased a
piece of the Los Angeles River.

It’s about 4.5 acres that straddles the curve through Frogtown where the
bottom of the concrete channel has broken up and nature has burst forth,
allowing polliwogs to swim. It’s part of a $1.4 billion project by the Army
Corps and city of Los Angeles to develop a 100-acre, river-themed park on
the former rail switching yard north of the river.

Appleton hopes his status as owner will amplify his voice — and possibly his
ability to obstruct — when officials launch infrastructure projects that
disregard his vision for the river.

His current gripe is a pedestrian bridge being built just above the parcel he
owns. He was on board until a last-minute design change called for a pier in
the center of the channel. A section of the river has been blocked off with a
dam and graded during construction.

“The whole point of this restoration is the river,” Appleton said. “The river
itself right now is the least attended aspect of it.”

A drilling rig near the property of Steven Appleton, who runs a kayak rental
business in the Los Angeles River and has bought a parcel of private land
that straddles the river in the Frogtown neighborhood.

A drilling rig near the property of Steven Appleton, who runs a kayak rental
business in the Los Angeles River and has bought a parcel of private land
that straddles the river in the Frogtown neighborhood.(Gary Coronado/Los
Angeles Times)

One of the three designs unveiled earlier this year for the Taylor Yard River
Park would form a large island, described as a wildlife refuge, near
Appleton’s parcel. It’s a place, he says, where Artesian springs are part of
the historical fabric.

The river advocacy group Friends of the Los Angeles River has declared the
Island Plan one of two worth considering. Appleton thinks so, too, but sees
potential harm if the designers are not attuned to the area’s natural
hydrology.

“That’s where we find the most prolific frog breeding area in Frogtown
because of the uplifting that makes little ponds in the islands,” he said. “Are
people’s feet wet enough to know that?”

Appleton is renowned for getting his feet wet. For more than a decade, he
has been launching kayak expeditions just upstream from his newly acquired
parcel. He has literally blazed water trails by moving broken chunks of
concrete to eliminate obstacles to wading and kayaking.

“What I would say about Steve is he is spending a significant number of
hours not on the river, [but] in the river,” said Michael Atkins,
communications director for Friends of the Los Angeles River. “The last time
I saw him, I was on the banks at sunset. He started leading a kayak group
around.”

Atkins said he was surprised that any land in the river could be held
privately, but had no qualms about Appleton being an owner.

“Both his business and his heart are in it for ecological restoration,” Atkins
said.

The unlikely series of events that brought the parcel into Appleton’s hands
began with a 2017 Times article that detailed several hundred properties in
the river channel that were owned by individuals and companies. For
reasons unknown, those properties were bypassed — and mostly forgotten
by their owners — when the Los Angeles County Flood Control District
acquired title to most of the river.

Already the owner of a small slice of river channel that he uses to launch
kayaks, Appleton said at the time that he set a high standard for those who
own river land.

“Instead of being a question of land value, it becomes a question of design
and a benefit of the landowner and the public space,” he said.

He immediately recognized the value of one parcel owned by William
Meade, a Bakersfield man who told The Times that he inherited it from his
father who bought it at a tax sale.

“It’s a nice talking piece, but there was no value to it,” Meade said. “We tried
to sell it for $4,000. I desperately tried. I got Realtors involved. Nobody
wanted it.”

Meade had stopped paying taxes on it and assumed the land had been sold
at auction. It had been, in fact, put up for auction, but no one had made a
bid, a spokesman for the Los Angeles County assessor said. The property
remained in Meade’s name with a zero tax bill.

Prompted by the article in The Times, Appleton contacted Meade, a former
Highland Park resident, through a mutual friend. Meade was a willing seller,
but it took until this year to close the deal.

“It seemed he’d be a better caretaker for it than I would,” Meade said after
the sale was concluded this year. “He’s got the kayak thing. He’s very
invested in the L.A. River. He’s literally in the river all the time.”

Appleton’s rights of ownership are not absolute. He can’t keep anyone from
wading, boating or fishing in his section of the river. As a designated
navigable waterway, it is open to all as a public trust doctrine right.

But ownership does give him power that he’s planning to assert. His first
priority is getting the Army Corps to stop using glyphosate, the active
ingredient in Roundup.

The Corps uses the herbicide, which has been accused of causing cancer, in
its campaign to eradicate invasive arundo grass. Untreated, the tall clumps
might back up stormwater runoff and push floodwaters over the concrete
channel.

On a recent visit to his land, Appleton scowled at two orange-vested
workers hacking at the vegetation with power tools.

River advocates want the arundo controlled, too, but contend there are
better ways of doing it. Appleton said it should be done by hand early in the
season when it’s easy to pull by the roots.

Appleton plans on leading volunteers onto his land to do just that. That’s
what owning a piece of the river is really about, he said.

“It’s like kids and families going out there in an organized way with docents
and guides.” He bought it, he said, “to serve the idea of the public owning a
piece of the river.”


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Date: August 05, 2022 at 23:48:10
From: pamela, [DNS_Address]
Subject: Re: How Los Angeles is Restoring its Ancient River System into an...


Nice. I try to post positive stuff going on not just the
negative. Don't see much good going on except here and
there. Good you had him for a teacher.


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18138


Date: July 31, 2022 at 06:28:49
From: chatillon, [DNS_Address]
Subject: Thank you both, Pamela and Jeff.(NT)


(NT)


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18133


Date: July 29, 2022 at 16:32:41
From: Jeff/Lake Almanor,CA, [DNS_Address]
Subject: It's been a while, but here's a story of an Ancient River System


To Southern California I posted to Don and Petra.
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Date: March 11, 2014 at 19:03:54
From: Jeff/Lake Almanor,CA
Subject: For Petra, Don and all. Lassen to Tijuana underground river

Hi Petra, this is something I posted 10 years ago, but lost it in one of my
moves. I spent all day re-typing it for you with my two finger typing skills.
Hope you and all enjoy. It is from a book about Ancient Rivers. So It's not
my writing, just typing.

__________________

There are several stories that I have heard over the years about mysterious
lakes, underground rumblings and the like that may be of interest here. It
is also possible that many of these far flung instances may have a
common connection.

One of these strange happenings we shall look into is the mysterious
Helen Lake. This lake is located in Lassen Park, not far from the North
gate.

Lassen Park abounds with beautiful scenery, silvery crystal lakes with back
drops of dark, volcanic lava. It is slightly reminiscent of a bright moonlight
night presented in broad daylight. The overall black and white effect of
lava, lakes and distant snow capped peaks cast one in a setting of
mystery; a visitor half expects the unusual to unfold before his very eyes
as part of the show. Mount Lassen, itself, is but a mere bubble of lave near
the center of the remaining caldera of it's now long dead mother… Mount
Tahema. A few hot springs and geysers are still active within the remains
of this giant of mountains to give a hint of a possible revival.

Brokeoff Mountain, situated just within the south boundary of the park, is
a minor mystery in itself. Brokeoff is a sister cinder cone to Mount Lassen,
only smaller. ( I, Jeff, believe Brokeoff is a flank remnant of ancestral
Mount Tehema which towered more then 1,000 feet higher then Lassen
Peak. ) This Mountain is literally broken in half; hence the name. The
upper half of this pyramidal hill has been sheared off at an angle and it
has slid, intact, to the canyon's bottom below… but the most mysterious
of all Lassen's oddities is Helen Lake.

Helen Lake, crystal clear during the summer… frozen over in the winter,
has the appearance of pure innocence, but it's clear water is filled with
mystery. This mysterious lake lies within sight of the main paved road
through the park. It has a sparkling sand beach that extends at a slight
incline from near the road to finally submerge beneath the absolutely
placid surface of the lake itself.

Lake Helen isn't very large as lakes go. It covers possibly five to ten acres.
The opposite shore of this lake ends abruptly against a jagged, near
vertical lava wall… a portion of old Mount Tahema. The deepest part of the
lake lies near this rustic rocky shore. The cool, inviting water is a great
temptation to swimmers, but no one swims. It is a beautiful fishing spot,
but no one casts a line… there is not a single fish. In fact only the very
bold, or foolish, ever venture near the lake at all; they say that park
rangers admonish campers to stay clear.

Indians of the area tell of a huge monster that makes Helen Lake it's
home. An ancient Squaw claimed she was one of the first to see the great
sea monster that lived in this lake and lived to tell about it.

When she was but a child, she and two other indian children went to the
lake to bathe. For some unknown reason this girl hung back and didn't
enter the water with the other kids. She stood on the sandy shore
watching the others splash, then squeal and laugh through the chilly
spray. She was about to step in an join the fun when she saw this big
animal rise up from the deep end of the lake, reach out with big clawed
hands and drag the two tiny bathers into it's high, red mouth as if they
wet a pair of mosquitoes. The big think then sank back quietly into its
watery lair. Needles to say this frightened child didn't stick around there
long and made fast moccasin tracks towards home.

This girl's people didn't believe her story at first., but later, when other
children swam out a ways to also disappear, the tribe placed Helen Lake
out of bounds.

Emerald, a tiny lake adjacent to Lake Helen, abounds with pan sized
trout… Helen has not one. Numerous fish plantings have been made in
this ideal fishing hole, but every fish has disappeared without a trace.

In an attempt to solve this mysterious disappearance of trout, it is
rumored that two professional divers were enlisted for the job. These two
men, so the story goes, decked out in the latest diving equipment, swam
out into the lake, dove, then apparently disappeared. They were never
seen again.

A few years ago ( book published 1985 ) two young, but well equipped
and experienced divers, entered the lake to investigate this mystery on
their own hook. These two young men did come back, but both swore they
would never go in that lake again for any reason whatsoever. One of these
men, Gary Hayes, then of Redding, told me this story and spoke of his own
personal experience in this way:

"We went out from the beach side… we didn't go out much over twenty
yards. The water was not much over ten feet deep and was as clear as if it
wasn't there at all. You could plainly see the clear white sand stretching on
out towards the deep. The air along the surface of the water had
something wrong with it. You could hardly breathe… it was as if the
oxygen had been taken out. We tried to dive, but the diving weights we
had on weren't heavy enough to take us down. We had on the amount of
lead for fresh water. The water wasn't salty that I can remember, but in
order to go down we eventually wound up putting on more weight then we
normally used for salt water."
"Once down on the bottom we began investigating two long scratch marks
that we had formerly sighted in the outer wise smooth clean sand. Both of
us assumed these scratches were made by the deep frozen ice of winter,
but after realizing the water up there had never been known to have been
frozen to the depth that we were… we began to be skeptical. When my
partner pointed out the fact that the two long grooves extended out of
sight into the deep part of the lake, we were sure it was tie to get out of
there and fast. A feeling of doom had been with us all along… now we
were positively convinced that the old Indian lady was right… the lake did
hold a monster."

The only logical explanation to the mysterious disappearance of the Indian
children, the fish and divers is that the lake is somehow connected with an
underground river system. The lake would be flushed periodically by the
system, The fish, being small, would probably go on down the river to the
ocean. The children and divers could very well have been snared by jagged
lava in the "flushing tube" and drowned. However, this does not explain
away the other mysteries that were mentioned… the grooved sand, the
heavy water, the lack of oxygen, the feeling of doom, the sighting of the
monster.

Could it be that this area is influenced by one of those so called and
equally mysterious vortical actions of the unified gravity field… or possibly
there really is a hungry monster at the bottom of the lake; a very hungry
one indeed. The old Indian lady says she has been telling people this for
years and they just call her crazy.

In Fish Lake Valley, near Coalville, Nevada, there is a small lake that would
be classed as a mere mud hole, but it too has it's mysterious actions.

A Young Indian Squaw, as the Indians themselves tell it, was one day
washing clothes at the edge of Fish Lake. She had her infant child next to
her in a basket. Somehow the basket and it's human content fell into the
lake; it sank very quickly. The drowned baby was never found.

This story is not unusual at this point, people manage to get themselves
drowned every day; what is unusual about it, is the basket… it was found
several days later far to the north of it disappearance, floating in Pyramid
Lake. There are miles of desert between these two lakes and no surface
streams connecting them. I learned this story from a Paiute Indian named
Scott. Scottie went on to reveal more information:
"On Pyramid Lake, which is taboo to the Indians, non Indian and water
skiers have disappeared without a trace. Government people have
investigated this lake, I've been told, and found strong down currents in
various places about the lake."

Could it be that Pyramid, Fish and Helen Lakes are connected by a series
of volcanic tubes, which, in turn, create underground rivers?

There are several artesian water wells within the framework of these lakes
which would suggest underground streams. An artesian well is a free
flowing well, created by a natural internal pressure. As an underground
stream follows the uncertain ups and downs of the subterranean caves
and cracks, pressure is built up at various points. If a well is drilled at
these pressure points, the water will come out of the ground on it's own
accord; much like a natural spring, or closer at hand, like a broken water
pipe. There are artesian wells in the Loyalton area, and others, now
plugged and abandoned, south of Las vegas, Nevada. There is the known
underground river under Kokoweef Peak, in the Ivanpah Mountains East of
Baker, California, also another "Kokoweef" type between that mountain
and Las Vegas. Other caves of this type have been reported along the
Northeastern rim of Death Valley. There is what seems to be an
underground cavern East of Ludlow also. An old timer of the area, Frank
Weaver, told me that " trains running East of Ludlow along the desert,
caused the earth to rumble as if it were hollow."

Could there actually be a long underground river extending from the
Mount Lassen area where the old gold rich Jura River disappears to end in
the Soda Lake Sink; there to join the disappearing Mojave River, then flow
southwest to create the "rip tides" on the Tijuana's Beach? If this is the
case, the bedrock of this hidden stream would be lined with black sand
and golden nuggets. Possibly Earl Dorr, with his golden discovery beneath
Kokoweef Mountain, has pointed the way to this treasure; not to mention
the value of this huge underground pipeline, if it were tapped and the
water used in Southern California.


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Date: July 30, 2022 at 14:18:41
From: pamela, [DNS_Address]
Subject: Re: It's been a while, but here's a story of an Ancient River System


Thanks for typing that up and also for sharing again.


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Date: July 29, 2022 at 14:50:32
From: Jeff/Lake Almanor,CA, [DNS_Address]
Subject: The LA Aqueduct was the worst thing to happen

URL: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Los_Angeles_Aqueduct


to the Owens Valley.

Once fertile farming land disappeared from Mono Lake, all the way down
past Ridgecrest, CA.

Almost drained Mono Lake, and did drain Owens Lake to this day.

And for what? LA? The place is a Hellhole, armpit of America today.

Remember, I grew up there, my kids still live there, and it disappoints and
scares me.


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Date: July 30, 2022 at 14:15:03
From: pamela, [DNS_Address]
Subject: Re: The LA Aqueduct was the worst thing to happen


Thanks Jeff for your reply and input. Some of my kids
still live and now their kids. Too hot, polluted,
crowded, too much crime, too fast, etc.


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18130


Date: July 29, 2022 at 00:11:28
From: kay.so.or, [DNS_Address]
Subject: Re: How Los Angeles is Restoring its Ancient River System into an...


thanks for posting that, am so glad to see that! I do remember that aqueduct when we lived down there in the 60's. It is so crazy that all that water has just gone out to the ocean when it should have had a natural way of supporting life and the areas.


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Date: July 29, 2022 at 09:47:18
From: pamela, [DNS_Address]
Subject: Re: How Los Angeles is Restoring its Ancient River System into an...


I really like this youtube channel covering all the ways
people are improving their water/eco systems instead of
focusing all the negative about how others are tearing it
down or that its a hopeless situation which the media is
always blaring and nagging about.


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