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Date: December 12, 2020 at 16:46:58
From: Akira, [DNS_Address]
Subject: who killed the electric car? |
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Date: December 12, 2020 at 17:13:08
From: JTRIV, [DNS_Address]
Subject: Re: Tesla Is Now Worth More Than Ford and GM Combined |
URL: Tesla Is Now Worth More Than Ford and GM—Combined |
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Hi Akira,
I recall seeing that documentary... but really isn't
it a bit dated at a time when Tesla is worth more
than Ford and GM combined??
And keep in mind that electric cars aren't
necessarily clean. That documentary was made in 2006
and in the most recent numbers from 2019 62.6 % of
electricity generation in the US was from fossil
fuels. Another 19.6 % comes from nuclear and just
17.6 % from renewables.... almost half of which is
from old hydroelectric dams.
https://www.eia.gov/tools/faqs/faq.php?id=427&t=3
Hopefully by the time we have a significant amount
of clean electric generation they will have an
electric that has the range, price and durability
necessary to retire the internal combustion engine.
Cheers
Jim
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Date: December 13, 2020 at 02:35:38
From: Akira, [DNS_Address]
Subject: Re: Tesla Is Now Worth More Than Ford and GM Combined |
URL: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Who_Killed_the_Electric_Car%3F |
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Yeah, history happens in the past. The film showed who actively tried to
prevent the technology.
"Oil companies
The oil industry, through its major lobby group the Western States
Petroleum Association, is brought to task for financing campaigns to kill
utility efforts to build public car charging stations. Through astroturfing
groups like "Californians Against Utility Abuse" they posed as consumers
instead of the industry interests they actually represented.
Mobil and other oil companies are also shown to be advertising directly
against electric cars in national publications, even when electric cars seem
to have little to do with their core business. At the end of the film, Chevron
bought patents and controlling interest in Ovonics, the advanced battery
company featured in the film, ostensibly to prevent modern NiMH batteries
from being used in non-hybrid electric cars.
The documentary also refers to manipulation of oil prices by overseas
suppliers in the 1980s as an example of the industry working to kill
competition and keep customers from moving toward alternatives to oil."
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Date: December 13, 2020 at 11:46:59
From: JTRIV, [DNS_Address]
Subject: Re: Tesla Is Now Worth More Than Ford and GM Combined |
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Hi Akira,
Sure, I've seen it and I understood its message. But
the focus of that documentary was the GM EV1 and
today an electric car company (Tesla) is worth more
than Ford and GM combined so the real answer to 'Who
killed the electric are?' is NOBODY. The electric
car isn't dead.
And again since the majority of our electricity is
still generated by fossil fuels, 20 years after the
end of production of the EV1 we aren't talking about
a clean vehicle. We are talking about electric cars
that are charged from 63% fossil fuel power.
The electric car isn't dead... and the electric car
isn't very clean either. It is a start into clean
transportation and hopefully the R & D will help
make a vehicle that can truly replace the internal
combustion engine in the future when we can alse
create power cleanly.
Cheers
Jim
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