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Date: September 27, 2019 at 20:57:17
From: Eve, [DNS_Address]
Subject: We're Buying Into a Giant Lie About Plastic

URL: https://www.vice.com/en_us/article/xwn4mj/were-buying-into-a-giant-lie-about-plastic


https://www.vice.com/en_us/article/xwn4mj/were-buying-into-a-giant-lie-about-plastic

We're Buying Into a Giant Lie About Plastic

All in all, only 9 percent of the world’s plastic scrap gets recycled.
By Alex Lubben
May 30 2019

The Philippines doesn’t want to recycle your low-grade plastic scrap anymore. Neither does China. Vietnam’s not thrilled about taking it either.

Earlier this week, Malaysia became the latest country to join the burgeoning trend: Governments across Southeast Asia are refusing to be dumping grounds for scrap that claims
to be recyclable — but largely isn’t. Malaysia will send some 3,000 metric tons of plastic scrap back to where it came from, places like the U.S., Canada, Spain, and Saudi
Arabia.

“Malaysia will not be the dumping ground of the world,” environment minister Yeo Bee Yin said.

The Philippines made a similar decision last week. The country’s strongman president, Rodrigo Duterte, went so far as to threaten to sever diplomatic ties and dump plastic in
Canadian waters if Canada refused to take back 69 shipping containers of plastic scrap that had been sent to the Philippines illegally between 2013 and 2014.

The issue is largely with the plastics industry itself. Eager to make their materials seem recyclable and fend off bans on plastic products, industry groups have spent millions
over 30 years to market and lobby for their products. The variety of plastic products — like lids, takeout containers, and straws — also makes scrap difficult to sort for
companies trying to compete in a market that doesn’t exist anymore.

All in all, only 9 percent of the world’s plastic scrap gets recycled.

China used to buy up 7 million tons of plastic from the U.S. every year for top dollar, and 45 percent of the world’s plastic scrap between 1992 and 2017 ended up there,
according to the United Nations. But China stopped buying plastic scrap in January of 2018. Since then, richer countries have sought to pawn off that unrecyclable material on
less developed countries, largely in Southeast Asia, which can’t handle the volume.

That means unusable plastic trash is piling up — and recycling has gotten way more expensive.

But that relationship didn’t last long. China started regulating recycling in 2013, and shortly afterward the company Bourque was working with stopped accepting plastics from
the U.S.

"At what point do you say, ‘You know what, it's not recyclable’?”

Then, in 2018, China decided to not just regulate recyclers but ban most plastic and paper scrap from being imported at all. Packaging has gotten more elaborate; paper will be
mixed with plastic, stickers, and labels. And China determined that too much trash was mixed in with the recyclable material to make it worth importing.

There’s also a category of plastics that’s cheaper to make from scratch than to recycle. The prices that recyclers get for the lowest grades of plastic make them not worth the
trouble of recycling.

“Recycling kind of lost its way in its overzealousness of trying to make everything recyclable,” Bourque said. “The bottom fell out of the market.”

Since then, other unregulated markets in Southeast Asia have tried to pick up where China left off. They haven’t been able to.

Dumped and burned
Without China, plastics are ending up dumped into the ocean, illegally incinerated (which produces highly toxic fumes), or stuffed into poorly maintained landfills.

“These mountains of plastic waste sometimes end up being openly burned, which can have really significant health impacts,” said Claire Arkin of GAIA, an advocacy group that
opposes incineration. “In Indonesia, the plastic is being burned in places like tofu factories for fuel.”

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Some of the plastic is also piling up on the world’s remote beaches. Last year, researchers estimated that the size of the Great Pacific Garbage Patch — as the huge mass of
trash in the Pacific Ocean has become known — weighed at least 87,000 tons. Ultimately, some of that plastic disintegrates into tiny microparticles that get swallowed by fish
and enters our own food chain.

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OFFICERS FROM THE MINISTRY OF ENVIRONMENT SHOW SAMPLES OF PLASTICS WASTE SHIPMENT FROM AUSTRALIA IN PORT KLANG, MALAYSIA, TUESDAY, MAY 28,
2019. (AP PHOTO / VINCENT THIAN)
The turbulence in the global scrap markets is reverberating through U.S. towns and cities. Because China won’t buy up American scrap for top dollar anymore, recycling has
become more expensive, and municipalities in the U.S. have started to abandon their recycling programs altogether. As it turns out, sorting and recycling plastics properly costs
more.

Philadelphia is reportedly burning half of all the trash residents think they’re recycling. In Memphis, the airport still has bins labeled for recyclable scrap to preserve “the
culture” of recycling, a spokesperson for the airport told the New York Times. But none of that’s being recycled. It’s ending up in landfills.

“When a product claims to be recyclable, my immediate response is, OK, ‘Where? How?’” said Joe Dunlop, a waste reduction administrator in Athens-Clarke County, Georgia,
who’s been watching recycling markets for 20 years.

To recycling experts, the shift could prompt a reckoning for plastics recycling. They hope the pressure from Asia will lead to a new understanding of what can be recycled and
what can’t. What’s ultimately needed, they say, is a reduction in the production and consumption of low-grade, single-use plastics.

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“It’s long overdue,” Dunlop said. “The stuff that we were sending overseas for processing was not of good quality, and we finally got called out on it.”

Berkeley — where Bourque tried to get a recycling relationship with China off the ground in 2013 — has stayed committed to its zero-waste policies, even as recycling has
gotten more expensive. The city started selling its plastics to a facility in Southern California with optical sorting, a high-tech system that uses light to determine which plastics
are recyclable.

“Even with optical sorting, there’s whole categories [of plastics] that have no market,” Bourque said. “Basically all the black plastic is just unmarketable.” (There’s still a good
market for soda and water bottles, though, as well as aluminum cans.)

Since Berkeley started sending its plastic to an optical sorting facility, the city has more than doubled its recycling costs compared to what it paid to ship plastics to China, and
much of the plastic delivered to the new facility is ultimately determined to be unrecyclable.

Even in Berkeley, a pioneer of municipal recycling in the U.S., they’re considering dropping most types of plastics from the kinds of things they recycle.


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Date: September 28, 2019 at 12:38:08
From: David Fenton, [DNS_Address]
Subject: Re: We're Buying Into a Giant Lie About Plastic


The irony of this plastic problem is that
it was the enviromentalists that pushed for
plastic bags and packaging to save the trees
for the excessive use of paper grocery bags
and cardboard packaging years ago..At least
paper bags would break down not like the
plastic bags they were replaced
with..Somewhat of a "catch 22" scenario...


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Date: September 28, 2019 at 15:34:23
From: Eve, [DNS_Address]
Subject: Re: We're Buying Into a Giant Lie About Plastic




Where it started and went wrong was in the inhabitants buying
and selling of the garden we were to keep safe by the obedience
to the true precepts (and he said do them better than the
Pharisees).

The day of plastic & paper, bags, cardboard and such due to the
buying and selling of what was given to us freely to care for and
tend to is nearly over because the garden is perishing due to bad
care of the ones with dominion.


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Date: September 28, 2019 at 14:04:20
From: Alan, [DNS_Address]
Subject: Re: We're Buying Into a Giant Lie About Plastic


Have you a source to support your claim?


At September 28, 2019 at 12:38:08, David Fenton wrote:

The irony of this plastic problem is that
it was the enviromentalists that pushed for
plastic bags and packaging to save the trees

for the excessive use of paper grocery bags
and cardboard packaging years ago..At least
paper bags would break down not like the
plastic bags they were replaced
with..Somewhat of a "catch 22" scenario...


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Date: September 28, 2019 at 15:23:55
From: David Fenton, [DNS_Address]
Subject: Re: We're Buying Into a Giant Lie About Plastic


Source ?...Ya its called "real life
experience"..When the grocery stores were
switching to plastic bags they were doing it
under the "save the trees" banner in Canada
..People didnt like the bags "they werent so
great for heavy stuff,so they needed a prop
to encourage it and used the
enviromentalists campaign against strip
logging and deforestation...I remember the
outcry of people over the use of paper
products and how the earth was being
"stripped of trees for paper" and Amazon
deforestation protests as well as the stores
promoting the bags to save trees...They used
it as well to promote the milk in a plastic
bag idea as well...


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Date: September 30, 2019 at 14:16:09
From: Awen, [DNS_Address]
Subject: Re: We're Buying Into a Giant Lie About Plastic


All I remember in real life were people wanting things
that were waterproof, not dissolving because it
inconvenienced them when it fell through the sacks.
They also wanted the convenience of handles.

Never once heard anything about saving the trees, and
there were a lot of protests about the environmental
impact of plastic during the switch over.

Canadian propaganda must've
been....interesting....back in the day.


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Date: September 28, 2019 at 16:56:02
From: Alan, [DNS_Address]
Subject: Re: We're Buying Into a Giant Lie About Plastic

URL: WASTE ONLY - How the Plastics Industry Is Fighting to Keep Polluting the World


"When the grocery stores were
switching to plastic bags they were doing it
under the "save the trees" banner in Canada "

So you haven't a source to back up your claim just what think you remember? Once again It'd be brilliant if you can find a link.

I recall when I was working in a supermarket as a student in the early 80s there were small paper pages at the tills and plastic bags just coming in which were very cheap - also there were cardboard boxes put out by the shelf-stackers for customers
but they took up space near the tills, compared to the compactness of placcy bags, and looked messy. I can't recall any environmental concerns pushing for the reasons you state for the greater use of plastics. In fact all the info I can find (and linked
to) is that the cheaper and better comparable utility of plastic bags i.e profit margin seemed to be the significant factors behind the widespread introduction of plastic bags and packaging.

Is this what you are remembering or the similar kind of thing? Sure it wasn't industry doing the deceptice promoting rather than enviromentalist campaigning per se.

In 1971, Keep America Beautiful, an anti-litter organization formed by beverage and packaging companies, including PepsiCo, Coca-Cola, and Phillip Morris, teamed up with the Ad Council to create the now-infamous “Crying Indian” ad. Although the
“Indian” who tears up when he sees a bag of litter thrown on the ground was really an Italian-American actor with a feather stuck in his hair, the ad’s sneakier deception was that its expression of concern about pollution was brought to the airwaves by
many of the same companies that produced the pollution. Even as their ad was inducing guilt in viewers for spreading trash, Keep America Beautiful’s members were fighting legislation that could have done much to address the problem.

What makes this all the more insidious is that these TV spots and other ads were presented as public service announcements — and thus appeared to be politically neutral — but, in fact, served the industry agenda,” said historian Finis Dunaway, who
lays out the story of Keep America Beautiful’s PR efforts in “Seeing Green: The Use and Abuse of Environmental Images.” “It was propaganda that did not appear propagandistic. It also shielded corporate polluters from blame by shifting responsibility
onto individuals.”





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Date: September 28, 2019 at 20:58:55
From: pamela, [DNS_Address]
Subject: Re: We're Buying Into a Giant Lie About Plastic

URL: https://twitter.com/gretathunberg/status/1087688894706077697


What? you mean like this? Greta eating lunch on a train with her Vegan food wrapped in PLASTIC.


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Date: September 29, 2019 at 04:29:04
From: Alan, [DNS_Address]
Subject: Re: We're Buying Into a Giant Lie About Plastic


Pam. Can you post a pic of the contents of your fridge ta


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Date: September 29, 2019 at 14:47:29
From: pamela, [DNS_Address]
Subject: Re: We're Buying Into a Giant Lie About Plastic


ta, Lol, asks the man who uses Roundup in his garden.

I'm not the one saying "how dare you"! while big finance, big oil, tote lil Greta around backing her all the way, demanding taxes on the People just getting by, forcing this IPCC, while negating their own messes with carbon credits, etc. Plastic is toxic. I am at least using less and less day by day. And often refuse to buy plastic wrapped foods. Use glass jars for food storage, etc. Cotton bags for food shopping. And oh yes, I use electricity and gas to lite my home and keep it warm. So we don't freeze to death.
I have been an environmental activist since I was 15/16. Often turning down jobs that pollute. Against going along with the herd mentality of buy buy consume endlessly. Always buying older used cars. Or biking to get to and from town/work.

Against Monsanto/Bayer, pesticides, insecticides. Don't use foil or toxic cooking pans, produced by DuPont/GM. Use waxed paper for food wrap. Working to raise awareness of all these things since a teenager myself. Mostly buy cotton or bamboo products for clothing or t.p. Boycott many companies. Didn't buy plastic disposal diapers but hand-washed the cotton ones. etc, etc.


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Date: September 30, 2019 at 05:27:06
From: Alan, [DNS_Address]
Subject: Re: We're Buying Into a Giant Lie About Plastic


"Plastic is toxic. I am at least using less and less day by day. And often
(not always then!)
refuse to buy plastic wrapped foods. Use glass jars
for food storage, etc. Cotton bags for food shopping. And oh yes, I use
electricity and gas to lite my home and keep it warm... Always buying older
used cars."

Look around you at your computer for instance - plastics

And what do yours cars pump out along with the byproducts of what it
takes to power your home!

Hypocrite - and threatened by a 16 year old girl. Only you are perfect we get
it!


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Date: September 30, 2019 at 12:17:43
From: pamela, [DNS_Address]
Subject: Re: We're Buying Into a Giant Lie About Plastic


As mentioned to Eve, I am not the one demanding taxes from the poor countries while I continue to use these products and phasing them out. Yes, plastics are toxic. I can say this and still be using them, while I protest plastics should be removed and replaced with more hemp or biodegradables. I did not get into the pubic forum being supported by those who produce them or be given ways to travel to carry the message while being backed by those who are producing them. What is so hard about understanding my post? I do not buy into the so called sustainable products such as wind or solar and telling people these are renewable or sustainable. They are not. I did not sail on a boat and try to make people believe the boat was lesser of two evils-pretending solar or wind will be the answer to our problems, when I know they are not.


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Date: September 29, 2019 at 14:59:22
From: Eve, [DNS_Address]
Subject: Re: We're Buying Into a Giant Lie About Plastic




You are being hypocritical of others and so what's the diff? I
don't see it.


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Date: September 29, 2019 at 15:16:18
From: Eve, [DNS_Address]
Subject: Re: We're Buying Into a Giant Lie About Plastic




BTW Greta was not saying how dare you to you per se as I
understand it the world leaders whom you accuse of certain
taxing things so what's your real biff? She was traveling when the
image was taken and traveling like a visit in med center or
hospital it's not possible without plastic but it is possible to travel
not to indulge in consuming the flesh other sentient souls. But
how dare she do so? smack her quick for thou are perfect...or is
it Greta reminds others of their own shortcomings and lack of
care for home planet? I would say most likely. Noel Musk is
making way to go back to Mars, you may be interested.

When the Lord comes to execute the righteous judgement for
lack of care and inconsideration of Creation ...Greta will look like
mild and meek by comparison. .


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Date: September 29, 2019 at 15:36:32
From: pamela, [DNS_Address]
Subject: Re: We're Buying Into a Giant Lie About Plastic


Yes, she was saying How dare you to the BIG polluters-you know, those who are paying for her trips around the world- she should be screaming at them and refuse their so-called help. The ones giving her rides on trains, rides on boats, that are not really GREEN. They are hiding behind Greta pretending they are changing their ways.
But don't worry, "they'll be watching you." Just like China is doing to their own citizens and lil children.
And if you don't measure up and get good citizen credits, you become an enemy of the state and will discard you. You won't be able to live here-buy things, get a car, buy food.
Elon Musk should go to Mars with all his ideas of AI. All of the Big tech junkies need to go to Mars. Along with those who promote/demand a clean Earth while buying carbon credits to make excuses for themselves while taking money from Poor People/Countries and demanding that unsustainable 'sustainables' be the saviors of the day, making profits from them as they too pollute the Earth and Creatures, while the world dies.


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Date: September 29, 2019 at 15:43:37
From: Eve, [DNS_Address]
Subject: Re: We're Buying Into a Giant Lie About Plastic




I know "they" watch me and I am not worried.


Your rants are not superior to Greta's... but I hope you feel better,
somehow I doubt it.


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Date: September 29, 2019 at 15:30:34
From: Eve, [DNS_Address]
Subject: Re: We're Buying Into a Giant Lie About Plastic

URL: LINK LINK




!!!


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Date: September 29, 2019 at 15:41:24
From: pamela, [DNS_Address]
Subject: Re: We're Buying Into a Giant Lie About Plastic


I don't promote that nor knowingly partake. My diet has been changing over the years based upon knowledge of that kind of treatment so just settle down. I was vegetarian for a while and going back to that.


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Date: September 29, 2019 at 15:45:37
From: Eve, [DNS_Address]
Subject: Re: We're Buying Into a Giant Lie About Plastic




What happened to your pet chickens?

And if you know how bad animal agriculture is why diss Greta and
even mention her vegan diet you could have left that out and
made your point but you included it as if you were insulted by her
choice of food.

When you get back to being vegetarian then let us know,
otherwise till then your "environmentalism" self proclamations fall
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Date: September 29, 2019 at 16:24:02
From: pamela, [DNS_Address]
Subject: Re: We're Buying Into a Giant Lie About Plastic


What happened to my pet chickens in N Idaho? I gave them to a person to take care of. I couldn't bring them with me. They laid eggs for people to eat. I used to sell them at the health food store. Best eggs ever.

I go days without eating meat. And when it is, its grass fed and treated humanely as possible. Or chickens or fish treated with kindness as possible. If you hadn't noticed I was born into a fallen world and so were you. Change doesn't come easy and when I do go all vegetarian you will be the last to know. I didn't like the fact she was openly using plastic products while promoting a certain lifestyle. While riding in a boat that was not sustainable or green. While taking money from those who wanted to promote taxing the poor of the world. And how dare you wish me warmth in these cold days that I use gas to heat my home, when all you really want is for me to just die. Your kind of environmentalism falls way short of compassion.


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Date: September 29, 2019 at 16:30:06
From: Eve, [DNS_Address]
Subject: Re: We're Buying Into a Giant Lie About Plastic




I used to go days without eating dead animal flesh with souls
also but I came to the point I stopped totally you can too. My kind
of environmentalism IS compassionate and food for the
benevolent spirits.


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Date: September 29, 2019 at 16:40:23
From: Eve, [DNS_Address]
Subject: Re: We're Buying Into a Giant Lie About Plastic




Oh and I really do wish you and your kitty friend well, what you
say is not true because I want well being for all species and for
their souls and that they should not suffer any infirmity it's why I
choose the vegan lifestyle of Genesis 1:29 as is peace and keeps
the natural order of creation.

I remind you that you began this discussion and I felt a word
smack with your comment about vegan diet, and I was not sure at
first how you intended it totally.... But now I know and responded
accordingly and not out of line as if I don't care about you I say
because I do care and Sunny needs someone to take care of him
after all why would I wish you to be cold. You just turned away
someone who really does care. I feel sad for you know pamela,
really sad.

Bottom line you are not really upset with me, but with yourself
whether you admit it or not.


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Date: September 29, 2019 at 16:42:32
From: Eve, [DNS_Address]
Subject: Re: We're Buying Into a Giant Lie About Plastic




p.s.

Why I encourage you to become vegan because I care.... even if it
feels ouchy to you it's for your own well being and warmth of
heart. It's a common reaction though the denial so I understand
more than you realize.


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Date: September 28, 2019 at 21:11:29
From: Eve, [DNS_Address]
Subject: Re: We're Buying Into a Giant Lie About Plastic





That's the way this world is, but at least she is doing not eating a
sentient being with a soul.


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Date: September 28, 2019 at 23:47:39
From: pamela, [DNS_Address]
Subject: Re: We're Buying Into a Giant Lie About Plastic


Plastics are killing everyone whether one eats meat or not.


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Date: September 28, 2019 at 23:54:55
From: Eve, [DNS_Address]
Subject: Re: We're Buying Into a Giant Lie About Plastic



It's both.


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Date: September 28, 2019 at 21:12:24
From: Eve, [DNS_Address]
Subject: Re: We're Buying Into a Giant Lie About Plastic




Next think you know folks are going to be trying to say look she
didn't trim her nose hairs or something else nitty.


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Date: September 29, 2019 at 14:52:13
From: pamela, [DNS_Address]
Subject: Re: We're Buying Into a Giant Lie About Plastic


If nose hairs get on the IPCC list and become taxable and she goes around and says, Hair do you! lol. Nose hairs may become a problem.


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Date: September 29, 2019 at 14:57:35
From: Eve, [DNS_Address]
Subject: Re: We're Buying Into a Giant Lie About Plastic





Go chow chow somewhere else with your cold lol's n' stuff.


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Date: September 28, 2019 at 19:20:22
From: David Fenton, [DNS_Address]
Subject: Re: We're Buying Into a Giant Lie About Plastic

URL: https://www.quora.com/In-the-90s-we-were-taught-to-use-plastic-instead-of-paper-to-save-the-rainforest-from-deforestation-Now-were-taught-to-use-paper-instead-of-plastic-to-save-the-ocean-from-pollution-Why


I live in B.C..This province is packed
with enviromentalists.Forestry at one time
was one of our prime resources..Slash
clearing became a major issue..Protestors
were chaining themselves to trees or logging
equipment,blocking roads and vandalising
equiment...Clayquot Sound became a major
issue here right around the same time as the
plastic bags came on the scene..Marketing
competition took advantage of the
situation...
Seems like a few others remember the same
marketing at the link


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Date: September 28, 2019 at 19:30:38
From: Alan, [DNS_Address]
Subject: Re: We're Buying Into a Giant Lie About Plastic

URL: A Brief History of Plastic (2005)


Ta for linky - now we're getting somewhere


Which ties in with this - plastics funnily enough was heavily promoted by the plastics industry! Not by any proto Greenpeace
;-)

Also underlying the boom in plastics was a powerful industry and lobby group, the Society for Plastic Industries (SPI).

Based on this, SPI concluded that synthetics had to be aggressively marketed through sophisticated advertising and
“education” campaigns.

When synthetics production surged after WWII, demands on coal for benzene shot up as never before. But suppliers could
not keep pace, so the federal government stepped in—yet again—by providing generous subsidies in the early 1950s to
companies like Standard Oil to build petroleum-derived benzene plants. By the 1970s, these oil-based supply lines provided
a wellspring for ever-more plastic.


Amidst huge lines at the gas pump and surging oil prices, the first polyethylene terephthalate (PET) disposable soda bottle
was introduced in 1975. Made from petrochemicals—and invented by DuPont’s Daniel C. Wyeth of the famous family of
painters—this new disposable resin illustrated the irrational wastefulness of the mass production system. Ubiquitous today,
the PET bottle (used most commonly for soda and water) facilitated the beverage industry’s switch from refillable glass to
single-use containers. In the past, thick glass reusables were returned to the store by the consumer for a deposit, trucked
back to the bottling plant, washed and refilled. In contrast, after each disposable container was used only once it was
discarded. The profit potential with throwaways was staggering; for every reusable bottle there could be anywhere from
twenty to forty single-use containers consumed and permanently trashed. And since the cost for packaging was passed on
to the consumer, the drink makers only stood to gain.

Getting rid of refillables also allowed the beverage industry to undergo massive consolidation. Without being tethered to
local bottling plants, the disposable made possible one-way distribution from centralized regional hubs. By the late 1980s,
almost all refillable soda (and milk) bottles were out of commission, replaced in many cases with the plastic throwaway.
Likewise, switching to polymers facilitated the restructuring of countless other industries, leading to shuttered factories and
outsourced jobs.

As resins piled up in garbage cans across the country, public cries for mandated recycling and deposit laws intensified. And,
in 1988, the nimble SPI intervened. The industry group adopted the chasing arrow recycling symbol, widely embraced by the
ecology movement. In this “greenwashing” maneuver, SPI altered the image slightly by inserting numerals in its
center, assigning various polymers grades 1 through 7, which were then stamped onto plastic packaging. SPI successfully
promoted this to state governments as a “coding system,” which was adopted in lieu of restrictions like bans, deposit laws,
and mandatory recycling standards.


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16499


Date: September 28, 2019 at 16:37:46
From: chatillion, [DNS_Address]
Subject: Re: We're Buying Into a Giant Lie About Plastic


I was there, also.
First-hand witness.


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16509


Date: September 28, 2019 at 22:08:06
From: Teresa N Cal, [DNS_Address]
Subject: Re: We're Buying Into a Giant Lie About Plastic


Yes I remember the switch to plastic bags to save the
trees. I don't understand how folks can forget that.
Same as the save the spotted owl and stop logging. The
last 2 years they have been killing spotted owls to
save another owl. Nutso.


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16510


Date: September 28, 2019 at 22:47:00
From: Eve, [DNS_Address]
Subject: Re: We're Buying Into a Giant Lie About Plastic




I did not forget, I was growing up and we had few shops when in
the 70's where I lived, I mostly only recall the grocery store and
paper bags and shopping for school clothes once a year and I
don't remember what kind of sacks were used for that, but maybe
plastic...probably. Where I was it was rural and we had one
channel with rabbit ears so I don't remember hearing any fuss
over plastic vs. paper but they probably slipped it in under our
nose where I was....Cable did not come for me till around 1982
and I remember clean fresh mountain air and I miss it so...but I
don't miss cable...after having it for years and 300 channels with
nothing on I decided never again in 2004.


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16497


Date: September 28, 2019 at 15:35:27
From: Eve, [DNS_Address]
Subject: Re: We're Buying Into a Giant Lie About Plastic




That's what happens when sheeple follow sheeple or lean on their
own understanding.


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16504


Date: September 28, 2019 at 19:31:28
From: David Fenton, [DNS_Address]
Subject: Re: We're Buying Into a Giant Lie About Plastic


"Observe the masses,then do the opposite."
Anonymous


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16501


Date: September 28, 2019 at 18:15:01
From: Eve, [DNS_Address]
Subject: Re: We're Buying Into a Giant Lie About Plastic

URL: Brief History of Plastic Bags



p.s.

fwiw, I found this, but did not find anything to support "the environmentalists pushing plastic bags to save the trees".. yet.


History of Plastic Bags, How Did We Get Here


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16494


Date: September 28, 2019 at 14:35:46
From: Alan, [DNS_Address]
Subject: Re: We're Buying Into a Giant Lie About Plastic


1994 - PLASTIC VERSUS PAPER

"Supermarkets usually prefer plastic bags because they're less expensive
- 1,000 paper sacks cost $30 while the same number of plastic sacks
cost $26 to $28. At each D'Agostino supermarket - where clerks are
instructed to use plastic bags unless customers request paper ones -
300,000 plastic bags are packed in a week, according to Mary Moore,
director of consumer affairs for the chain, which has 14 of its 18 units in
Manhattan. Four dollars here and four dollars there, she said, ''adds up
quickly.''

https://www.nytimes.com/1984/11/17/style/battle-of-the-grocery-bags-
plastic-versus-paper.html

2014 - A Brief History of the Plastic Bag

ExxonMobile was responsible for introducing the plastic shopping bag to
the U.S., and the bag debuted in American grocery store checkout lines
by the late 1970s.

"Some customers become real irate and start shouting if they can't get
the kind of bag they want," a clerk at a Los Angeles Vons told the paper
back then. "It's amazing how they let such a little thing get them so
upset. Years ago, they didn't even have a choice."

But, as the war over customer bag preferences raged on, the plastic bag
was winning the hearts and minds of businesses – by appealing to their
bottom line. Plastic bags are simply much cheaper for stores to purchase
than paper bags, which can cost up to four times what a plastic bag
does. They’re also waterproof and stronger than paper bags – they can
carry 1,000 times their own weight.

By the end of 1985, 75 percent of U.S. grocery stores carried plastic
bags in addition to paper ones, and today, plastic bags have secured
more than 80 percent of the grocery and convenience store market.

https://www.triplepundit.com/story/2014/brief-history-plastic-bag/39406


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16491


Date: September 28, 2019 at 12:16:57
From: Sunshine, [DNS_Address]
Subject: Re: We're Buying Into a Giant Lie About Plastic


Geez, I recycle so diligently, and it turns out not all of it going to
recycling plants.
Well, that's not good.
I am also very concerned about the plastic 'island' floating in the
Pacific. Must kill so much marine life.
Thanks for posting this Eve. Very discouraging, isn't it ?


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16498


Date: September 28, 2019 at 15:40:09
From: Eve, [DNS_Address]
Subject: Re: We're Buying Into a Giant Lie About Plastic




I know it is disheartening but I still keep striving and trying to
move forward because in the spirit realm it matters and I know
this is true there's always hope..~🕊~..


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