"Dallas health officials are now monitoring another person who they fear may have Ebola after coming into contact with the infected man currently being treated in Dallas, Texas. 'Let me be real frank to the Dallas County residents: the fact that we have one confirmed case, there may be another case that is a close associate with this particular patient,' Dallas County Health and Human Services Director Zachary Thompson said Wednesday in an interview with local ABC affiliate WFAA. 'So this is real.'”
the people he was staying with and the people he came into contact with the first time (and second time?) he visited the hospital ... what about the EMTs who transported him to the hospital ... this appears to continue to be a "flustercluck"
they were not told until 48 hours after they had carried him
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Date: October 02, 2014 at 20:58:43 From: Terra11, [DNS_Address] Subject: Re: "Second Ebola Case Suspected In Dallas'
Worst part is no one is talking about the fact that this guy WAS IN THE EMERGENCY ROOM THE FIRST TIME AND WAS NOT PUT IN ISOLATION AND WAS SENT HOME SICK---what about all the people who were exposed to him or his bodily fluids THE FIRST TIME HE WAS IN HOSPITAL??????
Date: October 03, 2014 at 05:18:49 From: horst graben, [DNS_Address] Subject: Re: yep ... it's been a total "flustercluck" from the beginning
and now they don't have the "proper" paperwork to decontaminate the place where he was staying ... sheets, towels, clothing, etc. remain in the apartment
Date: October 03, 2014 at 06:35:35 From: grzbear/AZ, [DNS_Address] Subject: Re: yep ... it's been a total "flustercluck" from the...
any time, any place the population becomes larger than the areas natural carrying capacity, the risk for loss of sanitation, people going mad, sexual depravity, cannibalization, disease, etc. etc. etc. goes up - and the higher the population, the higher the risk for each of the above.
these models were shown over and over again in rat and mice models...
I am just seeing the same thing happening here is all.
the only difference in the model is that man has far exceeded sustainable carrying capacity with the illusion and magic of *science* - which, while enabling the expansion of population through chemically laden cheap food and chemical medicines, has also exacerbated other aspects of the scenario...
action - reaction... certain *natural* laws cannot be broken or bent for long without repercussions.
perhaps science will pull more rabbits out of their hats?
Date: October 03, 2014 at 11:35:15 From: horst graben, [DNS_Address] Subject: Re: that "far exceeded sustainable carrying capacity" is a canard
there's plenty of "carrying capacity" ... in fact it is nearly unlimited ... the problem is that it is not being efficiently utilized ... and most of the necessary utilization could be accomplished with eighteenth century technology ... and a few twentieth and twenty-first century "green" devices ... it is the political and economic systems in place that keep us in the "dark ages" insofar as resource utilization goes
we all need to implement the paradigm Buckminster Fuller was talking about in his book (see the link)
and until we do ... we will continue ... as you suggest ... to dominate other species to their detriment
Inasmuch as we now are learning more intimately about our Spaceship Earth and its radiation supply ship Sun on the one hand and on the other its Moon acting as the Earth’s gravitationally pulsing "alternator" which together constitute the prime generator and regenerator of our life supporting system, I must observe also that we’re not going to sustain life at all except by our successful impoundment of more of the Sun’s radiant energy aboard our spaceship than we are losing from Earth in the energies of radiation or outwardly rocketed physical matter.
Quite clearly we have vast amounts of income wealth as Sun radiation and Moon gravity to implement our forward success. Wherefore living only on our energy savings by burning up the fossil fuels which took billions of years to impound from the Sun or living on our capital by burning up our Earth’s atoms is lethally ignorant and also utterly irresponsible to our coming generations and their forward days. Our children and their children are our future days. If we do not comprehend and realize our potential ability to support all life forever we are cosmicly bankrupt.
Energy is not only conserved but it is also finite. It is a closed system. The universe is a mammoth perpetual motion process. We then see that the part of our wealth which is physical energy is conserved. It cannot be exhausted, cannot be spent, which means exhausted. We realize that the word "spending" is now scientifically meaningless and is therefore obsolete.
We have learned that only and exclusively through use of his mind can man inventively employ the generalized principles further to conserve the locally available physical energy of the only universally unlimited supply. Only thus can man put to orderly advantage the various, local, and otherwise disorderly behaviors of the entropic, physical universe. Man can and may metaphysically comprehend, anticipate, shunt, and meteringly introduce the evolutionarily organized environment events in the magnitudes and frequencies that best synchronize with the patterns of his successful and metaphysical metabolic regeneration while ever increasing the degrees of humanity’s space and time freedoms from yesterday’s ignorance sustaining survival procedure chores and their personal time capital wasting.
Now we have comprehended and peeled off the layers of petals which disclosed not only that physical energy is conserved but also that it is ever increasingly deposited as a fossil-fuel savings account aboard our Spaceship Earth through photosynthesis and progressive, complex, topsoil fossilization buried ever deeper within Earth’s crust by frost, wind, flood, volcanoes, and earthquake upheavals. We have thus discovered also that we can make all of humanity successful through science’s world-engulfing industrial evolution provided that we are not so foolish as to continue to exhaust in a split second of astronomical history the orderly energy savings of billions of years’ energy conservation aboard our Spaceship Earth. These energy savings have been put into our Spaceship’s life-regeneration-guaranteeing bank account for use only in self-starter functions.
We have discovered that it is highly feasible for all the human passengers aboard Spaceship Earth to enjoy the whole ship without any individual interfering with another and without any individual being advantaged at the expense of another, provided that we are not so foolish as to burn up our ship and its operating equipment by powering our prime operations exclusively on atomic reactor generated energy. The too-shortsighted and debilitating exploitation of fossil fuels and atomic energy are similar to running our automobiles only on the self-starters and batteries and as the latter become exhausted replenishing the batteries only by starting the chain reaction consumption of the atoms with which the automobiles are constituted.
This all brings us to a realization of the enormous educational task which must be successfully accomplished right now in a hurry in order to convert man’s spin-dive toward oblivion into an intellectually mastered power pullout into safe and level flight of physical and metaphysical success, whereafter he may turn his Spaceship Earth’s occupancy into a universe exploring advantage. If it comprehends and reacts effectively, humanity will open an entirely new chapter of the experiences and the thoughts and drives thereby stimulated.
You may not feel very confident about how you are going to earn your right to live under such world-around patron-less conditions. But I say to you the sooner you do the better chance we have of pulling out of humanity’s otherwise fatal nose dive into oblivion. As the world political economic emergencies increase, remember that we have discovered a way to make the total world work. It must be initiated and in strong momentum before we pass the point of no return. You may gain great confidence from the fact that your fellow men, some of them your great labor leaders, are already aware and eager to educate their own rank and file on the fallacy of opposition to automation.
Date: October 04, 2014 at 14:05:23 From: grzbear/AZ, [DNS_Address] Subject: far from it...
I am closer to a modern Luddite... a person opposed to increased industrialization or new technology. ... you were not listening, comprehending, or thinking through (most likely because you are stuck in the box of what man has created) what I stated previously when I wrote "any time, any place the population becomes larger than the areas natural carrying capacity, the risk for loss of sanitation, people going mad, sexual depravity, cannibalization, disease, etc. etc. etc. goes up - and the higher the population, the higher the risk for each of the above."<<
and:
"I know for one species to dominate and grow in populations others must die and go extinct."
Date: October 04, 2014 at 14:33:56 From: grzbear/AZ, [DNS_Address] Subject: you obviously misunderstand...
everything has a positive and negative...
as an example the annihilation and genocide of native peoples which was extremely horrific and negative to them, was positive for those who benefited from the expansion of modern *civilization.
as a second example: Israel's Zionist state murdering and displacing the Palestinians... is very bad for the Palestinians, however perhaps a positive thing for the Zionist state.
so while you may wish to focus on the *positive* of any one thing... everything, especially those exercised to excess, has a dark side that you *choose* to ignore by focusing on the *positive*.
what you express is a clear example of worshipping man's sudo omnipotence and omniscience in addition to egotistical, arrogant naivety IMO.
Date: October 07, 2014 at 07:26:46 From: Karen in IL, [DNS_Address] Subject: Re: because i don't agree with your negativity i...
People like Grz and Trapper ARE "special". They both have learned and picked up on what's truly going on and they have the wherewithal to survive what's coming.
i lived "off the grid" for over ten years until my body gave out ... but that's "child's play" compared to what's coming ... see the link for a film that comes the closest to the actual horror story the unfortunate who survive the coming apocalypse will have to endure
Date: October 07, 2014 at 11:46:21 From: horst graben, [DNS_Address] Subject: before he left ... trapper was coming down on me for posting scripture
denigrating it as "cook book religion" or some such negative characterization ... like HE had the "inside track" on our immediate future insofar as prophecy goes ... but ... when pinned down ... he'd as likely leave my thread alone ... what did Nietzsche say ... looking too long into the face of evil will mess your mind
Beware that, when fighting monsters, you yourself do not become a monster ... for when you gaze long into the abyss. The abyss gazes also into you. -- Friedrich Nietzsche
Date: October 07, 2014 at 14:27:00 From: chatillion, [DNS_Address] Subject: Re: before he left ... trapper was coming down on me for posting...
To see and recognize how things are is not to be "looking into the face of evil", nor is it to gaze into the abyss. Both trapper and grzbear and several others on these boards can see down the road--or down the track. It's not a matter of prophecy, but rather observation and recognizing patterns and signals. They are among the few who won't wind up being blind-sided, and will be among those of us who will be picking up what pieces there are left--if there are any. And these are the messengers who get shot down. That's the thanks they/we get for trying.
Yes, careful fighting your monsters, horst, lest you be fighting chimeras and miss the genuine.
Date: November 02, 2014 at 01:32:03 From: Eve in FL, [DNS_Address] Subject: Re: before he left ... trapper was coming down on me for posting...
Best one can do is realize this world is temporary...it was not made so, but became so..was given in trust for humans to be keepers of the vineyard, yet many not kept their own and spread out disease to others and it's a mess. Keep your soul safe...that is the immortal part of one...do the best you can for this world as it was made for other than is used for and realize that. All that has gone awry will explode at once...it's not just one thing or about one nation as the Living God has many good seeds and those shall be replanted in new soil for this soil has grown old and as was made with sound/frequencies/vibrations...what remains is bad and has lost it's savor, it's not the good it was, the good is gone and yet a remnant of it's beauty remains, but not for long. Just my opinion. The other things many focus on it's this that will make the house fall or that which will cause the ship to sink...is all a part of the totality of the errors which will go down like the Titanic only much worse. Those who have been given or will be given to be a vessel will be here for those who maybe see too late and are repentant and the One that is willing that none shall perish will have helpers whom will be given power to reach out and give hope to those who must trudge through the worst of it and cling to what little faith granted at the last...won't be many if any...that is my feeling but I hope. As long as I am in this flesh I could make a great error so I walk with caution following the one who showed the way.
Date: January 08, 2016 at 18:42:31 From: mos ded, [DNS_Address] Subject: Re: before he left ... trapper was coming down on me for posting...
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Date: November 02, 2014 at 01:41:54 From: Eve in FL, [DNS_Address] Subject: Re: before he left ... trapper was coming down on me for posting...
oh, I did not read the thread, so if this is out of order...I apologize.
We cannot save this Earth at this point...yet we can save our souls given to us as a trust. Nothing belongs to us, nothing...we were granted the privilege to care for it and I realize I lost that sight and then regained it, there is the key...our soul is like a seed. It grows with good water in spirit, or it dries and wilts with bad water in spirit...good soil, bad soil...all spirit. Nothing of the flesh will inherit a single ounce of truth of Life if it is not desired and sought after. Okay, I be quiet now, just see so many put so much into thinking can change it via mans ways, and it never happens though I see it talked of a lot, some attempts, but another thing demolishes those attempts. We are the created, not the Creator. Kinda shows greatly to me, yet others do not see...in spirit that be.
Keep that precious seed in ones soul as good as can be and there will be help which comes by and by with clean water. For each is an Earth as well as all the elements in us will be put back in proper order by the only One who can. Nothing after the flesh can fix this mess.
~Eve
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Date: October 08, 2014 at 05:22:07 From: horst graben, [DNS_Address] Subject: Re: btw ... have you read all the posts in this thread? (NT)
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Date: October 08, 2014 at 05:21:07 From: horst graben, [DNS_Address] Subject: Re: i recognize the danger ... but i don't obsess about it
if that's a fault ... well then i'm "at fault" ... and befpre you make your "belittling judgments" of me ... take a look at the postings that "grzbear" took issue with regarding Fuller's "Operating Manual" ideas ... even though i recognize the danger ... i try to remain optomistic and offer ideas that could ... if implemented ... provide solutions to the "fix" we're in
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Date: October 07, 2014 at 11:38:59 From: horst graben, [DNS_Address] Subject: Re: yes ... they think they ARE special and have "inside information"
but have they passed the "acid test" where "the rubber meets the road" ... no ... none of us have
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Date: October 02, 2014 at 16:43:37 From: horst graben, [DNS_Address] Subject: Re: "Second Ebola Case Suspected In Dallas'