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Date: October 30, 2015 at 12:15:18
From: mr bopp, [DNS_Address]
Subject: "nobody knows how to stop it" |
URL: http://www.counterpunch.org/2015/10/30/fukushima-a-hushed-up-catastrophe/ |
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October 30, 2015
Fukushima – A Hushed Up Catastrophe
by Robert Hunziker
The Fukushima disaster is radiantly exposed in the Pacific Ocean, but as for people behind the disaster, it is treated like the Manhattan Project, circa 1942… Top Secret!
Still, “Its against international law to dump radioactivity into the sea, but that is precisely what is happening on a daily basis,” according to Dr. Keith Baverstock, former regional adviser for Radiation and Public Health, World Health Organization (“WHO”), speaker at the Citizen-Scientist International Symposium on Radiation Protection, October 23, 2015.
As intimated by Dr. Baverstock, inexplicably Fukushima is immune to international law, standards, and conventions, and nobody cares enough to do anything about it.
Surely, nobody intentionally caused the disaster behind the meltdown, similar to a chain reaction of falling dominoes: an earthquake, tsunami, massive flooding, black-outs, loss of power, hydrogen explosions, nuclear meltdown, and four years of highly radioactive water spewing into the Pacific Ocean, and who knows what else or where else?
But, “cause” is not the issue with Fukushima. The issue is whether nuclear power is a satisfactory source of energy, whether it is safe. In that regard, Angela Merkel (61), PhD physics, University of Leipzig and current chancellor of Germany is shutting down all nuclear reactors because of the Fukushima incident. Germany favors renewable sources of energy like solar and wind. Meanwhile, Japan’s PM Abe (61), a graduate in political science from Seikei University, is reopening nuclear power plants as quickly as possible, proving that politics overrides science.
In stark contrast to the German chancellor’s take on nuclear power, the pro-nuke crowd claims highly radioactive water, which has been flowing out of the Fukushima complex like crazy for four years straight, becomes so diluted within the vastness of the Pacific Ocean that there is nothing to worry about. But, their cleverness merely prompts a raised eyebrow amongst people who closely follow the Fukushima scenario.
As it happens, buried within Fukushima’s complexities the pubic encounters an enigma, as expressed by Dr. Baverstock, “I’m really appalled at the way the international system has failed… Quite frankly, we don’t get anything through the media… There is no general understanding of the situation here in Europe, because the media are not putting this view forward. In fact, I think many people would be very surprised that it was still a matter for discussion. They would be even more surprised to learn that it’s still an ongoing accident, and that it hasn’t terminated yet… and they would be more surprised to learn that nobody knows how to stop it.”
“Nobody knows how to stop it,” is the storyline in the aftermath of Fukushima.
In point of fact, who can know, who can even follow Fukushima? After all, it’s well known that the Abe administration established a very tight news blackout and instituted severe secrecy laws to prevent a flow of truthfulness. Not only that, but by all appearances, there is a hushed, secretive international protocol amongst the world’s brotherhood of nations to downplay and ignore one of the biggest catastrophic events in recent history, see no evil, hear no evil, speak no evil, or in short, turn a blind eye to a very, very ugly situation. Nevertheless, it will not go away! As far as that goes, it may never go away!
The drama behind Japan enacting a state secrecy law in the immediate wake of nuclear meltdown only serves to highlight suspicions about how bad the situation really is. If not for Japan passing an unconstitutional secrecy law (the new secrecy law clearly violates Japan’s constitution), allowing politicians carte blanche authority to determine what’s a state secret and determine which perceived violators should go to prison for up to 10 years, then outsiders would not have such strong inclinations leading to suspicion, distrust, as well as profound disbelief in the Abe administration, which essentially and obscenely flips the bird to any and all.
In fact, information about the meltdown is controlled via biased sources. According to Dr. Baverstock: It is imperative for “the IAEA (International Atomic Energy Agency) to have its role clarified. It cannot continue to be the promoter of nuclear power and the organization that is involved for safety. So, the failure of the IAEA to respond in this particular instance is very good ammunition to move towards getting that view heard at the UN General Assembly, and that will be something which politicians have to do… There are some politicians who are sympathetic to the view expressed here.”
According to Dr. Baverstock, there is an urgent need for a proper risk assessment of Fukushima, and he believes there should be pressure to get that achieved by an independent organization. All of which must be taken up at a worldwide forum like the UN. After all, by default, the international community is involved whenever and wherever the world at large is exposed to dangerous radiation. How could it be any other way?
Well, reprehensibly it can be another way, as for example Fukushima.
After all, a mysterious apathy surrounds the events at Fukushima. Eerily, the ongoing nuclear meltdown, which is as hot as a pistol, has been relegated to second fiddle status in the public eye. In turn, the vacuum of transparency leads to all sorts of conspiratorial theories, inundating the Internet and serving to radicalize opinion. Thereby, Abe’s administration comes across as scheming schlemiels.
Of course, it is only too self-evident that PM Abe is preparing for the 2020 Tokyo Olympics and posturing to re-open nuke facilities. As of October 22nd, twenty-one of Japan’s forty-three operable reactors are undergoing NRA safety reviews. Already, Kyushu EPC’s Sendai 2 nuclear power plant restarted last week, supplying electricity to the grid. Nowadays, it’s almost as if nothing bad happened.
But, wait a moment, where’s the corium?
Corium is a lava-like radioactive hot molten mix of a nuclear reactor core formed during a meltdown. The corium is missing at Fukushima Daiichi Nuclear Power Plant No. 2. Nobody knows where it is. Nobody knows! Better yet, or rather worse yet, finding No.2’s melted core is an ongoing challenge of enormous, humongous proportions, kinda like hovering at the edge of a Black Hole. What’s next?
As the situation now stands, what if the corium leaked or leaks into the ground beneath the reactor’s final cement & steel containment vessel, the last line of defense? Answer: Nobody knows because it has never happened before, but the smell test says it can’t be good; in fact, it’s gotta be awful, really awful and deadly out of control, impossible to stop.
Tragically, nobody knows what to do. They really don’t.
Still, here’s what sources claim probably happens when a nuclear meltdown hits pay dirt, immersing into Earth: Some isotopes uncontrollably spread erratically, for example, Cesiun-137, which is deadly toxic to all life forms, and only one of many dangerous isotopes, is water-soluble and makes its way into soils and waters and quickly becomes ubiquitous in the ecosystem; that’s what happens, “ubiquitous in the ecosystem.”
Thereafter, assuming a situation similar to Chernobyl (1986), an exclusion zone is established to keep everybody out due to excessive levels of radiation. But, questions like how big of an exclusion zone and how prolific the underground hot radioactive corium reacts nobody knows how to answer. When Ihor Gramotkin, director of the Chernobyl Power Plant was asked how soon the Chernobyl reactor site would be inhabitable again, he replied: “At least 20,000 years,” Eben Harrell, Apocalypse Today: Visiting Chernobyl, 25 Years Later, Time Magazine, April 26, 2011.
Nevertheless, the Abe government is already moving people back into some of the four-year-old exclusion zones of Fukushima.
Meanwhile, the pro-nuke school of thought should contemplate: Two hundred U.S. sailors of the USS Reagan have a pending lawsuit against TEPCO, et al claiming that young sailors are already experiencing leukemia, ulcers, gall bladder removals, brain cancer, brain tumors, testicular cancer, dysfunctional uterine bleeding, thyroid illness, stomach ailments and other complaints unusual in such young adults.
The sailors participated in “Operation Tomodachi,” providing humanitarian relief after the March 11th, 2011 Fukushima disaster based upon assurances that radiation levels were okay.
According to plaintiff’s attorneys, more sailors are in the process of coming on board as a tempest of nuclear radiation aftereffects spreads thru the ranks.
Then, it’s little wonder that Einstein prophetically stated: “The unleashed power of the atom has changed everything save our modes of thinking, and we thus drift toward unparalleled catastrophes.”
Unparalleled catastrophes, indeed!
Robert Hunziker lives in Los Angeles and can be reached at roberthunziker@icloud.com
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Date: November 02, 2015 at 20:04:47
From: Candace/Denver, [DNS_Address]
Subject: what is there to stop |
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You people are being had.... what was left sunk deep into
the underground which stops everything... it does not
continuously regenerate after all.... yet it is treated
as doing so.. it did not and cannot spread across the
whole ocean in the manner stated all the time... IT
CANNOT DO THAT....
It is because you don't know anything you can be HAD.
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Date: November 04, 2015 at 12:40:09
From: horst graben, [DNS_Address]
Subject: the wikipedia entry for "prompt criticality" |
URL: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Prompt_criticality |
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so far no one has seen fit to add the nuclear detonation of unit three at Fukushima to the list
what's your "take" on the subject?
you did watch the video ... right?
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Date: November 04, 2015 at 11:43:02
From: horst graben, [DNS_Address]
Subject: unit three went "prompt critical" and there was a nuclear detonation |
URL: http://enenews.com/study-nuclear-explosion-may-have-occurred-at-fukushima-unit-3-after-supercritical-condition-sudden-increases-of-plutonium-and-uranium-were-seen-in-u-s-at-several-epa-stations |
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how do you explain that away?
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Date: November 04, 2015 at 22:24:22
From: Nvreuls, [DNS_Address]
Subject: Re: unit three went "prompt critical" and there was a... |
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The explosion was not a nuclear blast, the explosion was from the
intense heat. The reactor blew because they couldn't keep it cooled
down. My husband explained a lot of this to me. He is a nuclear
engineer from Texas A&M. There was a release of radiation
however. Cesium is really bad. I do not eat Tuna or Salmon from the
Pacific. In fact, I don't eat any fish from that part of the world.
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Date: November 05, 2015 at 13:41:41
From: horst graben, [DNS_Address]
Subject: please cite evidence of such a claim (NT) |
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Date: November 05, 2015 at 21:41:45
From: mr bopp, [DNS_Address]
Subject: Re: please cite evidence of such a claim |
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i think she did by stating her husband is a nuclear engineer....as good evidence as any...
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Date: November 06, 2015 at 08:11:31
From: horst graben, [DNS_Address]
Subject: Re: please cite evidence of such a claim |
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so what ... i worked as a nuclear engineer for over twenty-three years ... my diploma and $2.50 will buy me an espresso ... credentials are meaningless without research to back them up
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Date: November 04, 2015 at 11:37:23
From: horst graben, [DNS_Address]
Subject: and last but not least ... who is "You people"? (NT) |
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Date: November 04, 2015 at 11:34:33
From: horst graben, [DNS_Address]
Subject: what's to prevent "it" from spreading "across the whole ocean"? (NT) |
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Date: November 04, 2015 at 11:32:21
From: horst graben, [DNS_Address]
Subject: what is the "it" that "does not continuously regenerate"? (NT) |
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Date: November 04, 2015 at 11:31:31
From: horst graben, [DNS_Address]
Subject: "the underground which stops everything" what does that mean? (NT) |
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Date: November 03, 2015 at 10:02:30
From: mr bopp, [DNS_Address]
Subject: Re: what is there to stop |
URL: http://www.counterpunch.org/2015/11/03/fukushima-gets-a-lot-uglier/ |
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i'm not believing you on this candace...
Fukushima Gets A Lot Uglier
by Robert Hunziker
As time passes, a bona fide message emerges from within the Fukushima Daiichi Nuclear Power Plant disaster scenario, and that message is that once a nuclear power plant loses it, the unraveling only gets worse and worse until it’s at its worst, and still, there’s no stopping it. Similar to opening Pandora’s box, there’s no stopping a ferocious atom-splitting insanity that knows no end.
Four years of experience with Fukushima provides considerable evidence that splitting atoms to boil water is outright unmitigated madness. After all, nuclear power plants are built to boil water; yes, to boil water; it’s as simple as that, but yet at the same time it’s also extraordinarily complex. Conversely, solar and wind do not boil water and are not complex and never deadly (Germany knows).
As it unfolds, the Fukushima story grows more convoluted and way more chilling. For example, according to The Japan Times, October 30th Edition: “Extremely high radiation levels and the inability to grasp the details about melted nuclear fuel make it impossible for the utility to chart the course of its planned decommissioning of the reactors at the plant.”
Thereby, the bitter truth behind a major nuclear meltdown shows its true colors: “Impossible for the utility to chart the course of its planned decommissioning…” is very definitive, divulging the weak underbelly of the fission-to-heat process; only one slip-up, and it’s deadly dangerous and likely out of control!
Not only that, but the entire Fukushima Daiichi Nuclear Power Plant complex is subject to recurring mishaps and setbacks, as well as various technical tribulations, something different going wrong on any given day. And, it’s always big, never small.
For example, according to The Japan Times, October 30th Edition: “Deadly 9.4 Sieverts Detected Outside Fukushima Reactor 2 Containment Vessel; Checks Stop.”
TEPCO also detected deadly radiation levels outside of reactor No. 1. According to a direct quote from the article: “People exposed to the maximum radiation dose for some 45 minutes will die.” Death in 45 minutes!
The potency contained within 9.4 Sieverts (Sv) is enormous. One Sievert of radiation is normally considered a massive dose, causing immediate radiation sickness. But, since levels beyond one Sievert are rarely, if ever, found in the normal course of everyday life, the industry standard uses millisieverts (mSv = 1/1000th) or microsieverts (uSv = one millionth of a Sievert) when measuring radiation.
Miserably, eight (8) Sieverts causes severe vomiting, severe headache, severe fever, incapacitation, and a 100% death rate over a period of time greater than 10 minutes within 48 hours (Radiation Survival Guide).
Chernobyl is a prime example of the potency of radiation. Immediately after the explosion (1986), radiation levels in the control room reached 300 Sv/hr, meaning a person dies within 1-2 minutes. Twenty-five years later, radiation levels in the same control room run approximately 30-34 Sv/hr, which is lethal within 10-20 minutes.
It’s little wonder TEPCO finds it impossible to plan decommissioning of the Fukushima Daiichi Nuclear Power Plant, which begs the question of if, and when, decommissioning will be possible. Who knows, if ever?
Furthermore, according to The Japan Times’ article: TEPCO planned to start checking inside the containment vessel in August by use of a remote-controlled robot but “high radiation levels have stalled the examination.” Rumor has it that extreme levels of radiation fried the robot, but it’s only rumor.
Unfortunately, not only is radiation sizzling outside of reactor No. 1, but a pipe connection at reactor No. 2 also shows extremely high radiation levels. Reactor No. 2 is where the hot melted radioactive core (corium) still has not been located. But, then again, with so much hot stuff sizzling throughout the entire Fukushima complex, how are workers expected to locate a melted nuclear core that may have already penetrated the steel-reinforced concrete containment vessel, entering the earth?
If total meltdown occurred/occurs, nobody has any idea of what to do next. There is no playbook. It’s likely impossible to do anything remedial once a melted nuclear core has burrowed into the ground because deadly isotopes uncontrollably spread erratically, ubiquitously into the surrounding underground soil and water. Then what?
In the final analysis, there is a distinct probability that Fukushima has no final analysis. Reports out of Japan indicate that Fukushima Daiichi Nuclear Power Plant cleanup and decommissioning is severely restricted by extremely high radiation levels and the inability to grasp the details about melted nuclear fuel. What could be worse? Keep reading.
Footnote: China plans on building 400 nuclear plants “fast and cheap” over the next few decades. (Source: Oliver Tickell, Does China’s Nuclear Boom Threaten Global Catastrophe? CounterPunch, Oct. 30th.) Answer: YES!
Robert Hunziker lives in Los Angeles and can be reached at roberthunziker@icloud.com
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Date: October 30, 2015 at 16:39:35
From: horst graben, [DNS_Address]
Subject: enenews continues to publish accurate information |
URL: http://enenews.com |
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about on-going disaster ... there's no where to run ... there's no where to hide ... as the radioactive contamination works its way up the food chain we are going to be all the more in a world of hurt ... there is no escape for anyone short of leaving this planet or the second coming of the Son of Almighty God
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Date: November 02, 2015 at 20:06:58
From: Candace/Denver, [DNS_Address]
Subject: Re: enenews continues to publish accurate information |
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Jesus is already here and he is NOT the only son of God..
where are your heads.. while you are not as mature.. YOU
ARE SONS of GOD... and the FUKU story as cover all the
time is a SCAM... It cannot continue this was across an
ocean for all these years now....IT CANNOT.. Get your
head out of the internet sand on this one.
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Date: October 31, 2015 at 06:47:08
From: DebbyS/AbqNM, [DNS_Address]
Subject: Re: enenews continues to publish accurate information |
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enenews is my go-to site for nuclear news (the site apparently started out by following the BP disaster in the Gulf of Mexico). I try to visit the site daily and am only about 5 weeks behind in my reading. Well, that gives commenters plenty of time to make cogent observations, and there are plenty of brilliant, thoughtful posters.
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Date: October 31, 2015 at 10:14:14
From: horst graben, [DNS_Address]
Subject: this is the most chilling reading ... made me stop paying attention |
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The unit 3 reactor exploded on March 14, and the cause of the explosion is still being debated. A very strong flash of light was seen at the beginning and several detonation sounds were heard. The smoke due to the explosion was not quite the same as that of the unit 1 reactor […] In the case of the hydrogen explosion at unit 1, the vapor spread horizontally. The smoke from the unit 3 reactor was actually gray to black, rather than white. It has been suggested that a water vapor explosion was immediately accompanied by a nuclear explosion. The TEPCo have now officially called it “detonation”. The hot fuel rods caused a rapid expansion of the water added (water vapor explosion). This caused the collapse of the water shield between the fuel rods stored in the storing pool, and this may have caused a supercritical condition momentarily and, hence, led to a nuclear explosion […] The nuclear explosion was not very extensive, but there is a sign that it may have occurred at the storing pool […] If this is, indeed,the case, then not only fission products but also U-238. U-235, Pa-239, and neutrons would have been released. Pu-239 (and also other Pu isotopes) has been detected around the plant and up to several tens of kilometers away, though not as high as in the Chernobyl case, and, also, neutrons were observed in the premises of the plant. Data from several of the EPA’s radiation monitoring stations (in the USA) recorded sudden increases of Pu-239, U-234, and U-238 after the Fukushima accidents, particularly in Hawaii, Alaska, Guam, and California. These data suggest the release of fuel rod material itself in addition to fission products, and are consistent with the notion that a nuclear explosion, indeed, took place. This description is entirely a conjecture based on what has been observed, but much uncertainty still exists regarding the explosion at unit 3.
-- Eiichiro Ochiai
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Date: October 31, 2015 at 20:23:02
From: Terra11, [DNS_Address]
Subject: Re: this is the most chilling reading ... made me stop paying... |
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And yet they are continuing to build more nuke plants AND NOT
CLOSING ANY ALL READY BUILD ESPECIALLY THE ONES ON
EARTHQUAKE FAULTS!!!! wow
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Date: November 01, 2015 at 13:49:06
From: Polydactyl in N. Bay, [DNS_Address]
Subject: Re: this is the most chilling reading ... made me stop paying... |
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This incredible 'blind eye' approach to catastrophe has to be weighed against the nuclear cartel's fall from grace as promoters of clean energy and peaceful atoms- ;D It's like, who knew, the nuclear industry is sitting atop the biggest house of cards on the planet? If it falls, so do numerous government defense budgets, associated corporations, and all the pathways that lead back to Queen Eliz'beth's uranium mines.
To change this blind sight, imagine asking the haute elite to stop pretending they are emperor(s) Yertle on the planet, to stop production of their vile and nasty business, to take a lesser than profit and back seat in power -- and give it to something and someone else, to people at large. Not gonna happen until 'Mack' burps, LOL. Kevin Blanch and others intone that the nuclear industry thugs will do everything in their power to mediacize, ostracize, obfuscate, and eliminate their non-supporters. They built their power on top of Pandora's Box and Kali Shiva and their fall is going to be GREAT! (OH, YEAH) There doesn't seem to be a self-preserving group in the bunch of them that is effectively bringing up the issues of radiation damage to all species and permanent deadening of the environment that is so horribly WIDESPREAD now. Still, horribly widespread radiation is not the same effect as a 1/8th of the world's nuclear plants aging and melting down due to various natural (or non-natural) disasters and literally killing off everything and everyone in a short time period. We are in the chute for the latter in the near future imo, due to lack of maintenance, cost of maintenance, and lack of knowledge. We bought a radioactive pig in a poke, and the pig is going to have the last laugh.
Either they know we are on the eve of geologic destruction already or they are people who are incapable of common sense, have an egotstical sense of uber power over all, live totally in their heads, are in constant fanatasy about their power, and especially about their advanced, ertudite, 'civilized', human natures.
The rise of powers of corporations over people has really greased the skids of these nuclear monkeys! Welcome to the ugly face of fascism rising globally and promoted heavily by the U.S. It's a rare occasion we see political satire or comparisons of totalitarian, oligarchal, dictatorial governments anywhere and the rise of fascism outweighing any human rights or needs in the United States. These comparisons need to be made, OPENLY. Alas, the media is totally owned at this point, caught between complicity and losing their jobs, imo. We can't depend on mainstream media to stand up en masse about anything.
Rage rage into the dying light? I will not go down without speaking out- :D
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Date: October 30, 2015 at 16:34:28
From: horst graben, [DNS_Address]
Subject: how can it be "top secret" with radioactive contamination pouring out?(NT) |
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Date: November 01, 2015 at 14:23:23
From: Polydactyl in N. Bay, [DNS_Address]
Subject: Re: how can it be "top secret" with radioactive... |
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Those who do not measure the ways and means of radiation are MANY. It's tightly handled goob groups that are rendered impotent and useless in the face of politicos who want to hang on to power and who do not want to be revealed as having made terrible mistakes in judgement, whether it be about who they follow or the best ways to feed global populations and slow growth of people on the planet.
Individuals learning slowly about radiation and it's effects are still a fairly small group. I can honestly say, without time off to follow the details of 3-11, I'd not have the time to watch, listen, and learn about Fukushima or radiation, from all the people who spoke up early and continue to speak up, against media placation and warnings about fear mongering or causing too much stress by informing yourself (LOL, ya right!).
Imagine living in Japan and being thrown in jail for ten years because you DARE speak about radiation in your face and killing you softly until your're sick and gone? We may be headed the way of Japan. Right now, PM 'Mikey' Abe is doing our bidding so not to crash markets. Imagine Japan could have gone totally with hydrothermal energy production and never have gone into the nuclear business after WWII, except for the urging and promise of national renewal by their bon amis, the Americans. How is it said, 'know your enemies better than your friends'? The U.S. had choices other than nuclear, I have no doubt but it must have seemed easier, more interesting, and much more powerful technology than anything they'd ever experienced before, that could put us in charge over the planet. I do remember the idea that we were making the world safe from ever having world wars by utilizing this nuclear power as a rationale for continuance. Nuclear power certainly turned out to be a big bite that we could not chew forever, especially the rapid accrual of nuclear waste products and their lethal nature. Once radiation gets out and bioaccumulates (this is why dilution does not solve the toxicity), it literally changes EVERYTHING, the physical matter itself.
Somone must have thought there'd be a remnant of good change in the promise of nuclear power for energy needs across the planet, maybe a little localized depop, uh, no brainer, right? Radiation is much smarter than humans and is winning, in it's ability to take over and change everything to it's needs, not those of anything or anyone else on the planet. The nucleocrats, nuclear promoters, and nuclear politicos are WRONG about the promises of nuclear power and future safety to humans. Pro-nuclear plant owners, employees, and global leaders are too darned stubborn, silent, and cynical to admit just how wrong they were/are about the safety of radiation. Now all the leading universities suck up to corporations and government monies attached to the nuclear cartels so not one iota of truth comes out about bioradiology or environmental hazard from their science groups, as nuclear radiation continues to bioaccumulate and permeate our lives. If the U.S. is being bought and sold off to global buyers, I'd say they are being sold unihabitable lands and a Brooklyn Bridge to boot, that will crumble due to the Wigner Effect. Have fun with that China, in California.
Like they say, ya can't fix stupid. Seriously, we know not what we do and even when we do know, we do nothing but run and hide in shame. I'm talking about higher powers in this country. I don't expect people en masse to be able to fix this huge hole in our economy and lifestyle that would need to be filled with nuclear production at ZERO and dry-casking of all cooled rods. For God's Sake, at least put the darned spent fuel pools in better containment, preferably not 100 feet off the ground! We're doing NOTHING to stop this global disaster, from my viewpoint. All we're really doing, as Kevin says so eloquently, is kick the can down the road.
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Date: October 31, 2015 at 06:44:34
From: DebbyS/AbqNM, [DNS_Address]
Subject: Re: how can it be "top secret" with radioactive... |
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It's more like "top ignored" because we're supposed to be out shopping and spending our meager wages and savings.
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Date: October 31, 2015 at 10:10:04
From: horst graben, [DNS_Address]
Subject: how right you are ... "top ignored" nails the situation (NT) |
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