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From: conch/lake los angeles, [DNS_Address]
Subject: Removal of fuel rods @ Fukushima to begin
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I do believe the article said "decades" to complete removal.. What are the odds of another big quake there? Hate.to think of that!! |
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From: Polydactyl in N. Bay, [DNS_Address]
Subject: Re: Removal of fuel rods @ Fukushima to begin
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One article stated it would take 'through 2014' to remove the more cooled rods and what they can of the hot rods, with tons of boron thrown in the water while they're doing this. No mention of all the pellets underneath the damaged fuel racks. Some think only 40 plutonium rods are left after multiple fires in R4 so the fuel removal may be 'easier' wink, wink than it seems. Personally I think the chance of setting fire to whatever fuel is left, is pretty good. The whole thing scares the hell outta me. The removal starts Monday. How damaged the crumpled bottoms of the fuel racks will determine how much fuel they can pull out, in total. Turns out there was damage from dropping assemblies etc. prior to March 11, so the fuel pool is a real mess. I fully expect rad counts to go up on the West Coast right away. Get ready I say and then, get ready for what? Get ready for the nuclear bus to run us over- :( You think the U.S. will let it's citizens know about a second great radiation cloud coming soon? I doubt it! I've read so much bullshit now on 'everything OK' spin stories about health effects, or rather, no health affects, move along, I could spew. |
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From: mr bopp, [DNS_Address]
Subject: Re: Removal of fuel rods @ Fukushima to begin
URL: http://tomsebourn.blogspot.com/2013/11/fuel-rods-now-being-removed-from.html
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Fuel Rods Now Being Removed From Fukushima, ABC News Report Possible Evacuations For West Coast US The removal of 1,331 spent fuel rods and 202 unused rods or assemblies began today in Japan . The private for profit corporation TEPCO is trying to pull the rods, one by one out of packages in the spent fuel pool that sits 4 stories above ground in a severely damaged Reactor 4 at the Diichi Nuclear Plant complex in Fukushima Japan. It was said that the removal of each rod was like removing cigarettes from a crushed package with a robot. If a rod is exposed to the air by being brought out of the pool while being transferred to metal casks being put also inside the holding pool, they will burst into flames. The radiation and plutonium will then escape possibly igniting the entire pool and that would be real bad. How bad? One scientist said that it could require a west coast evacuation. It should be noted that today, during the first day of the operation there was a 5.7 magnitude earthquake reported off shore and south of the crippled reactor. |
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From: horst graben, [DNS_Address]
Subject: Re: disaster scenarios associated with operation proliferate
URL: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Critical_mass_(disambiguation)
| and i don't doubt that many of them are possible ... your suggestion of the outbreak of fire is probably high ... or ... at the top ... of any list ... i wonder if contact of multiple fuel rods might be sufficient to constitute a "critical mass" and cause a chain reaction |
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From: mr bopp, [DNS_Address]
Subject: Re: Removal of fuel rods @ Fukushima to begin
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lol... TEPCO has assured that the 18-month process will go off without a hitch and that the necessary measures have been taken to ensure safety. |
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From: BJ, [DNS_Address]
Subject: Re: Removal of fuel rods @ Fukushima to begin
URL: LINK
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more info "Scientists Warn of Extreme Risk We’ve long said that the greatest short-term threat to humanity is from the fuel pools at Fukushima. The Japanese nuclear agency recently green-lighted the removal of the spent fuel rods from Fukushima reactor 4′s spent fuel pool. The operation is scheduled to begin this month. The head of the U.S. Department of Energy correctly notes: The success of the cleanup also has global significance. So we all have a direct interest in seeing that the next steps are taken well, efficiently and safely. If one of the pools collapsed or caught fire, it could have severe adverse impacts not only on Japan … but the rest of the world, including the United States. Indeed, a Senator called it a national security concern for the U.S.: The radiation caused by the failure of the spent fuel pools in the event of another earthquake could reach the West Coast within days. That absolutely makes the safe containment and protection of this spent fuel a security issue for the United States. Hiroaki Koide – a nuclear scientist working at the University of Kyoto – says: I’m worried about whether Tepco can treat all the 1,331 [spent-fuel] assemblies without any problem and how long it will take. Award-winning scientist David Suzuki says that Fukushima is terrifying, Tepco and the Japanese government are lying through their teeth, and Fukushima is “the most terrifying situation I can imagine”. Suzuki notes that reactor 4 is so badly damaged that – if there’s another earthquake of 7 or above – the building could come down. And the probability of another earthquake of 7 or above in the next 3 years is over 95%. Suzuki says that he’s seen a paper that says that if – in fact – the 4th reactor comes down, “it’s bye bye Japan, and everyone on the West Coast of North America should evacuate. Now if that’s not terrifying, I don’t know what is.” The Telegraph reports: The operator of Japan’s crippled Fukushima nuclear power plant … will begin a dry run of the procedure at the No. 4 reactor, which experts have warned carries grave risks. *** “Did you ever play pick up sticks?” asked a foreign nuclear expert who has been monitoring Tepco’s efforts to regain control of the plant. “You had 50 sticks, you heaved them into the air and than had to take one off the pile at a time. “If the pile collapsed when you were picking up a stick, you lost,” he said. “There are 1,534 pick-up sticks in a jumble in top of an unsteady reactor 4. What do you think can happen? “I do not know anyone who is confident that this can be done since it has never been tried.” ABC notes: One slip-up in the latest step to decommission Japan’s crippled Fukushima nuclear plant could trigger a “monumental” chain reaction, experts warn. *** Experts around the world have warned … that the fuel pool is in a precarious state – vulnerable to collapsing in another big earthquake. Yale University professor Charles Perrow wrote about the number 4 fuel pool this year in the Bulletin of Atomic Scientists. “This has me very scared,” he told the ABC. “Tokyo would have to be evacuated because [the] caesium and other poisons that are there will spread very rapidly. Perrow also argues: Conditions in the unit 4 pool, 100 feet from the ground, are perilous, and if any two of the rods touch it could cause a nuclear reaction that would be uncontrollable. The radiation emitted from all these rods, if they are not continually cool and kept separate, would require the evacuation of surrounding areas including Tokyo. Because of the radiation at the site the 6,375 rods in the common storage pool could not be continuously cooled; they would fission and all of humanity will be threatened, for thousands of years. Former Japanese ambassador Akio Matsumura warns that – if the operation isn’t done right – this could one day be considered the start of “the ultimate catastrophe of the world and planet”: |
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From: horst graben, [DNS_Address]
Subject: Re: what's chilling is "... if any two of the rods touch ..."
| "... if any two of the rods touch it could cause a nuclear reaction that would be uncontrollable." |
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From: conch/lake los angeles, [DNS_Address]
Subject: Re: Removal of fuel rods @ Fukushima to begin
| Frightening~Epic Disaster~Prayers wish there was a better solution |
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From: horst graben, [DNS_Address]
Subject: Re: what i wonder about is who are they getting to do this work
| isn't this worse than the workers at Chernobyl who handled chunks of fuel |
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From: grzbear/AZ, [DNS_Address]
Subject: Re: what i wonder about is who are they getting to do this work
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I read articles near the beginning of this mess (clean up efforts) that many *volunteers* are coming from the elderly... in order to help save the youth. at least that was the MO of the articles. Whether that is still true of not, or was ever true - I have no idea. much information about what is going on over there is hard to come by and then suspect... when coming from *official* (censored) sources. |
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From: Swimmer/SantaRosa,CA, [DNS_Address]
Subject: Re: what i wonder about is who are they getting to do this work
URL: LINK
| Atomic mafia: Yakuza ‘cleans up’ Fukushima, neglects basic workers' rights |
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From: horst graben, [DNS_Address]
Subject: Re: the Chernobyl "liquidators"
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From: Eve in FL, [DNS_Address]
Subject: Re: the Chernobyl "liquidators"
URL: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Andromeda_Strain_(film)
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I speak about the backstreet things I read about Fukushima and the ones who mostly watch local or no news say "why can't they put a hood on it and fix it like Chernobyl"? I say first of all, with common sense is all it takes..Fukushima is on the ocean…a hood can't stop that. Oh, they say. Then I say the other thing is reactions are still occurring under the hood of Chernobyl into the ground, who knows what is occurring? No one says much, yet to me it's a given. That first video you had…that stuff was like ewww, it does look like monster goo. Seems there was some movie and I never watched but a clip and I may have it wrong…called the Andromeda Strain. That goo reminds me of the goo in that clip I saw a long time ago. Not that is seems related, just looked like the stuff…and there was something about a nuclear reaction that it could feed off of that and benefit the strain. I don't think I want to see the movie, yet it got a lot of publicity and was popular once upon a time. ~Eve |
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