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Date: June 24, 2021 at 12:07:51
From: pamela, [DNS_Address]
Subject: More than 50 unaccounted for in deadly Surfside, Florida, building col |
URL: https://youtu.be/Ggyf5aBKO3w |
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More than 50 unaccounted for in deadly Surfside, Florida, building collapse, official says
From the video, looks more like a demolition to me.
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Date: June 27, 2021 at 19:48:21
From: Eve, [DNS_Address]
Subject: Re: More than 50 unaccounted for in deadly Surfside, Florida,... |
URL: Developers of doomed Fla. tower were once accused of paying off officials: report |
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hi pamela, hope placement is okay this time....I thought to share some personal testimony in this thread via copies of posts I made on national board along with a link regarding probable developer and legal officials shenanigans reports. It resonates with me the latter given my personal experiences it all came back to my remembrance after I read the article as in it figures. In my story below about my encounters and working with and for these ones in home new construction real estate....it's not in chronological order....Briefly, first home was purchased pre- construction with customizing interior...second home was the same but further in the country but no longer for mind boggling urban sprawl....There was one home between these two I attempted to purchase but a corner of the home was not to code and was on a conservation zone. They have to zone some parts here or else it would be total destroyed by developers who care not for the care of the land or the buyers in the long term. ~Evie
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link to thread: http://earthboppin.net/cgi-bin/talkrec.cgi? submit=lt&baseurl=http://earthboppin.net/talkshop/national&msg_num=391821
Date: June 27, 2021 at 18:57:30 From: Eve Subject: Re: yep, and most likely from salt water incursion due to construction
they paved paradise and put up a parking lot, condos, stores, roads, toll booths, etc.
..it may be the developers knew and did not build to code and paid off certain officials to let it go. I would not doubt it. Not only that so many other buildings have been on the beach far longer which some may have similar issues due to crooked money mongrels while other buildings do not. The developers in charge and long gone and dead now which they may have thought "who cares I will be dead by the time it collapses from our mason errors so may as well get rich and take the ride the choo choo all the way to hell in millionaire style".
BTW I worked some with the sellers and developers of new home construction in Florida (not condos or high rises though), also had two homes built and I had to stay on top of them or one would have built the wrong home that it was not permitted for and it was me who said that layout for the base to poor the concrete looks wrong. The sales lady said oh I am sure not and I said still can you have them check it because it's not permitted and it will get caught after the fact and it will end up in court and me with no where to go. She did but did not get back with me I had to get back with her and she said oh, you were right it was the wrong frame for the house you purchased so they had to rip it out start over...it held me up five months but it worked out though was frustrating.
Before that adventure I had gone to purchase a new home already built and got all the way to closing and as the blueprint was laid out the real estate agent looked at it and said "I can't let you buy this, they illegally built a corner of it on conservation"....So I let it go and demanded my down payment back though the developer called me and tried to pressure me to purchase said we will work it out in court with the state/county...I said no and it was intense discussion.
The first house I purchased was so many stories I can't tell you how many so I was glad I was able to visit nearly every day and catch the errors and speak with the on site construction manager face to face while it was being built and followed up later...it was nearly a full time job in itself.
The developers can be a greedy bunch there is no construction with out issues on their part here...sometimes the construction workers are not managed properly and so on.
There is lots of land here that was never marsh and was field for cattle mostly and citrus groves. Where I am now it's unreal how fast the developers destroyed the surroundings when two old cattle ranchers in the area died who owned a lot of land, a lot...mega land. They did not want to see the property developed by the ones that do such and wanted it to remain pastural even in their old age. I was surrounded by fields here and it seemed a get away from cement city it felt like countryside. That did not last long after these cattle ranchers died their children sold off the land and I am surrounded now by urban sprawl...it happened so fast it was mind boggling I watched it happen and the fresh air scent left and it's stale and gross now...in less than 20 years time...and most of it has been since 2009 or so the worst of it.
Where I am now was a huge forest to one side of me, the developers came in and mowed it down and the creatures that lived there wandered the streets like turkey's as if to say "where to we go now"? Some of the neighbors had dead fawns thrown in their yards from seemingly being ran over by tractors or purposely smashed with a sledge hammer, the latter mostly.
I got way more stories about my experiences in this regard but they are too long to tell and no one is much interested in my testimony anyways they rather think it's the land itself when it's mostly the developers and crooked ones in the local government allow stuff to happen that causes problems later which bring in more money for them in terms of permits. They don't care about the future so they make a wasteland and profit off ones not understanding all this.
The trees they allow trees to be put under code they know will cause issues later that people have to get a permit to have removed so it benefits their pockets. This happened in my development. I was driving through another new development some years later and saw the same trees going it but were small and I saw one house with children and dad outside playing and I stopped and said if I were you I would take that tree out right now while it it's young and you can do it yourself, other wise the roots will bust your pipes and your neighbors and you have to pay for fixing and then you have to pay for permit and someone to cut a huge tree down.
Okay this was longer than I expected not proofing it so has errors most likely... but in thinking about this now I feel and remembering all I have been through I feel nearly certain it was the developer masons along with crooked government officials hoodwinking type scenario along with unsupervised construction workers not understanding or notified of building codes.
This is the story of how they pave paradise and put up a parking lot.
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Date: June 27, 2021 at 19:02:36 From: Eve, [DNS_Address] Subject: Re: 2018 structural report: engineer warned "major...
It was the pool deck that caved in not the pool itself it still remains with water in it. It was reported in an article I read that the pool deck was not sloped properly for rain water drainage....Speculation was that after 40 years of being this way and not corrected over time it caused foundation problems. In one article I read it said the developers paid off local officials to let it slide because it was cheaper than fixing the problem themselves. Given my experiences with these ones in Florida and working with them it resonates they would and are long gone now which they knew they would be by the time serious issues manifested.
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Date: June 27, 2021 at 19:13:28 From: Eve, [DNS_Address] Subject: Re: 2018 structural report: engineer warned "major... URL: Developers of doomed Fla. tower were once accused of paying off officials: report
https://nypost.com/2021/06/27/developers-of-fla-tower-were-accused-of-paying-off-officials/
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Date: June 28, 2021 at 14:23:08
From: pamela, [DNS_Address]
Subject: Re: More than 50 unaccounted for in deadly Surfside, Florida,... |
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Thanks Evie. You've had lots of experience with the developers/builders and their lack of wanting to do a good job or even caring. Had some experience with owners of property of a newly built apt complex in S Calif many years ago. The owners bought the place and then hired me and mate to be the managers on top of sorting out and identifying all the goof ups the builders made so they could could get it all fixed in time before warranty ran out. It was a never ending story and nightmare.
I am hoping the investigations will be done honestly and not take up too much time. It just makes me uneasy, this crumbling of the whole structure along with all the dust and pancaking is reminding me of controlled demolitions. :( ie, using some form of dynamite.
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Date: June 25, 2021 at 09:33:12
From: Eve, [DNS_Address]
Subject: Re: More than 50 unaccounted for in deadly Surfside, Florida,... |
URL: https://news.fiu.edu/2021/fiu-professor-collapsed-surfside-building-showed-signs-of-subsidence-in-90s-era-space-radar-data |
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Happened across this short article, thought to share in this thread fwiw...visual aids are at the link provided.
FIU professor: Collapsed Surfside building showed signs of subsidence in ‘90s Land subsidence unlikely to cause building collapse on its own, researcher says
Science & Technology By Chrystian Tejedor
June 24, 2021 at 3:44pm
The area where a building partially collapsed in Surfside, Fla. showed signs of land subsidence in the 1990s, according to space-based radar data analyzed by an FIU professor.
The 2020 land and sea level rise study conducted by FIU Institute of Environment Professor Shimon Wdowinski identified the 12-story Champlain Towers South condominium as the one place on the east side of the barrier island where land subsidence was detected from 1993 to 1999. But land subsidence in and of itself likely would not cause a building’s collapse, according to Wdowinski, an expert in space geodesy, natural hazards and sea level rise.
“When we measure subsidence or when we see movement of the buildings, it’s worth checking why it happens,” Wdowinski said. “We cannot say what is the reason for that from the satellite images but we can say there was movement here.”
Western Miami Beach saw subsidence over larger areas but that was expected because homes there are built on reclaimed wetland. Areas where land is subsiding are more likely to experience more serious effects of sea level rise, according to the study.
The top most yellow dot represents an area of subsidence FIU Institute of Environment Professor Shimon Wdowinski detected in Surfside, Fla. using 1990s era space-based radar data. (see link for image)
In the 1990s, Miami Beach experienced subsidence at the rate of 1-3 millimeters per year, which could add up to a few inches of movement over a decade, Wdowinski said. It was significantly slower compared to other parts of the planet Wdowinski has studied. Mexico City, for example, is subsiding at a rate of 15 inches per year.
The researcher believes the same technology he used to detect land subsidence could be used to detect vulnerable buildings and help prevent future catastrophes.
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Date: June 25, 2021 at 10:44:58
From: pamela, [DNS_Address]
Subject: Re: More than 50 unaccounted for in deadly Surfside, Florida,... |
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Date: June 24, 2021 at 20:08:37 From: pamela Subject: Re: More than 50 unaccounted for in deadly Surfside, Florida,... URL: https://youtu.be/GbK87K_RV8w this news video tells a little more, that since the 90's the area was sinking, BUT does not seem to be the reason it collapsed demolition style. More further investigation needed. Does not make much sense building anything on Sand. But developers will be greedy and for some reason people trust them. Tragic.
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Date: June 25, 2021 at 10:54:47
From: Eve, [DNS_Address]
Subject: Re: More than 50 unaccounted for in deadly Surfside, Florida,... |
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Yes, I read that before my post, apologies I will post elsewhere...it's not just sand though if it was they would not have been able to build on it.
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Date: June 25, 2021 at 11:23:31
From: pamela, [DNS_Address]
Subject: Re: More than 50 unaccounted for in deadly Surfside, Florida,... |
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Yes, thanks for including the article to back up the video news report where it also mentions the Professor.
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Date: June 25, 2021 at 11:47:30
From: Eve, [DNS_Address]
Subject: Re: More than 50 unaccounted for in deadly Surfside, Florida,... |
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I don't take didn't take down the name of the guy when I was viewing the clip....I just saw the article today and thought of your thread and to share it as it is like you say it's supportive. I thought to put it in that place with your response you copied to me but decided to post under your initial thread I can see where it was confusing on my part... faux pas translation and placement stuff is a challenge for me some days :0)
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Date: June 25, 2021 at 11:53:25
From: pamela, [DNS_Address]
Subject: Re: More than 50 unaccounted for in deadly Surfside, Florida,... |
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Date: June 24, 2021 at 16:45:33
From: Eve, [DNS_Address]
Subject: Re: More than 50 unaccounted for in deadly Surfside, Florida,... |
URL: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Building_implosion |
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It does have the appearance of an explosive implosion... whether it is or not I don't know.
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Date: June 24, 2021 at 17:21:22
From: pamela, [DNS_Address]
Subject: Re: More than 50 unaccounted for in deadly Surfside, Florida,... |
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Did you look at the video I showed after I made first post? Definite pancake type falling like a controlled demolition. I hope the authorities get to the truth of this.
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Date: June 24, 2021 at 18:55:41
From: Eve, [DNS_Address]
Subject: Re: More than 50 unaccounted for in deadly Surfside, Florida,... |
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I just did, I had seen similar ones but the bbc clip has a couple of views from different angles I had not seen before that I appreciated. I found it interesting in your thread starter clip that they were doing work on the roof at the time also...there was all sorts of things may or may not have been contributions (on top of other unknowns) like the building construction in the vicinity...there seemed to be lots of intense man made vibrations in and around the building itself in Surfside.
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Date: June 24, 2021 at 20:08:37
From: pamela, [DNS_Address]
Subject: Re: More than 50 unaccounted for in deadly Surfside, Florida,... |
URL: https://youtu.be/GbK87K_RV8w |
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this news video tells a little more, that since the 90's the area was sinking, BUT does not seem to be the reason it collapsed demolition style. More further investigation needed. Does not make much sense building anything on Sand. But developers will be greedy and for some reason people trust them. Tragic.
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Date: June 24, 2021 at 20:47:47
From: Eve, [DNS_Address]
Subject: Re: More than 50 unaccounted for in deadly Surfside, Florida,... |
URL: https://www.quora.com/Do-buildings-and-cities-sink-into-the-ground-over-time |
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Thank you. I did view it and had read about the slow sinking though I figure that happens in many places with larger buildings (ie. Millennium Tower in San Francisco).
Florida has limestone bedrock foundation on top of that there is sandy soil.
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Date: June 24, 2021 at 16:28:05
From: shatterbrain, [DNS_Address]
Subject: Re: More than 50 unaccounted for in deadly Surfside, Florida,... |
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Florida is a sinkhole state. Now combine that with this week's SuperMoon shock window and catastrophes like this becomes inevitable.
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Date: June 24, 2021 at 16:42:58
From: Eve, [DNS_Address]
Subject: Re: More than 50 unaccounted for in deadly Surfside, Florida,... |
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The building withstood so many hurricanes over the years...it's odd.
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Date: June 26, 2021 at 05:12:45
From: shatterbrain, [DNS_Address]
Subject: Re: More than 50 unaccounted for in deadly Surfside, Florida,... |
URL: The other areas in Miami where buildings are at risk of collapse |
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The entire state of Florida should be evacuated.
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Date: June 26, 2021 at 08:08:57
From: Eve, [DNS_Address]
Subject: Re: More than 50 unaccounted for in deadly Surfside, Florida,... |
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= something only a ding bat would say
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Date: June 27, 2021 at 05:23:55
From: Vampira, [DNS_Address]
Subject: Re: More than 50 unaccounted for in deadly Surfside, Florida,... |
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Ding Ding Ding!!!
Florida needs water wings...YESTERDAY!!!
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Date: June 27, 2021 at 07:02:17
From: Eve, [DNS_Address]
Subject: Re: More than 50 unaccounted for in deadly Surfside, Florida,... |
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= drank too much blood last night, has a fangover today every day.
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Date: June 24, 2021 at 12:19:13
From: pamela, [DNS_Address]
Subject: Re:Survelliance video shows the building collapse |
URL: https://www.cnn.com/videos/us/2021/06/24/surfside-florida-moment-of-building-collapse-vpx.cnn |
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Disturbing video shows collapse looking more like a demolition. This is very horrible, so many people inside. Prayers for the people involved and for finding out the true cause - July 24th. Not a good day.
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