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Date: November 23, 2018 at 06:43:13
From: Alan, [DNS_Address]
Subject: California fire conspiracies a hit on YouTube |
URL: https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/technology-46304972 |
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And we had someone here linking to a youtube video of a CTist claiming
it was dragons gone amok *shakes head*
No wonder why folk lap up and believe anything Trump says...
Conspiracy videos suggesting that the California wildfires were lit by
government laser beams have clocked up millions of views on YouTube.
News site Motherboard found conspiracy theories and fake news topped
search suggestions, when looking for clips of the California wildfires.
It said YouTube had "not adequately stopped these conspiracy theories
from blossoming on its platform".
YouTube said it has made a long-term commitment to tackle
misinformation.
At least 80 people have died in the fires which swept across the state of
California in November. 500 people remain unaccounted for after the so-
called Camp Fire destroyed the town of Paradise.
But YouTube has provided a "thriving" home for misinformation about the
fires, Motherboard said.
It found people searching for the fire were recommended topics such as
"conspiracy 2018", "directed energy weapon" and "laser beam".
Many of the conspiracy videos falsely suggest the fires were deliberately
lit with plane-mounted laser weapons. They use manipulated or out-of-
context images to back their arguments.
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Date: December 04, 2018 at 14:55:38
From: Polydactyl in N. Bay, [DNS_Address]
Subject: Re: California fire conspiracies a hit on YouTube |
URL: https://youtu.be/--2_TPEiuxw |
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I find the conspiracy YT about the heist of
land for mineral rights to be a much more
plausible reason for the destruction,
regardless of the fire anomalies (and there
are plenty of those for people with eyes to
see). Paradise is on top of gold nuggets! A
lawyer or real estate person tipped off Joe
(Fullerton Informer) to what everyone in
Paradise needs to do, right NOW.
Agenda 21 is real (read the documents!) and
no doubt supported by Trump and any other
official invested in corporations and land
development (often government in the latter
case). The destruction is aided and abetted
by a bi-partisan corporatocracy backed by a
military-industrial network of global elites
who call the shots. This group dissociates
itself with 'the commoners', the plebians, as
it were. My problem with corporate-mil-
industrial visions is that they tend to be
idealistic rather than practical, self
serving rather than open to scrutiny, power
preserving to elites, and abjectly
insensitive to the misery and survival of
those they feel are lesser than their
collective selves.
If you believe YT or Motherboard is capable
of objectively sorting fake news from a
dearth of real investigative reporting,
including testimonies from fire experts,
think again. Mainstream news is like a giant
octopus that grabs information and turns out
blobs of pacifying pablum and entertainment,
excluding any news that could be seen as
anti-gov't, anti-military, anti-industrial,
especially hidden developmental or
experimental projects, or even discussion
about the news reported or felt impressions
of people who were in the area of anomalous
events. Stopping down public discussion of
chaotic and traumatic events is not very
smart, unless you want to add insult to
injury.
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Date: November 28, 2018 at 17:21:48
From: eaamon, [DNS_Address]
Subject: Re: California fire conspiracies a hit on YouTube |
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up to a few days ago I did not think that way.
however here in TN we are getting the coldest near record cold temperatures we usually get in February.
all this reminds me of a global cooling experiment that the US and Canadian government tried. they burnt a 1000 mile stretch of the border by 1 mile on each side. I thought it was to enable the US to observe smugglers by satellite. but that was the coldest winter in New England that year. we rarely even saw below zero temperatures. but one month it never got above zero. and it hit a low 31 degrees, with one week never going above minus 21 degrees.
a government test, huh? they say they do not tamper with the weather. but in war time/ the a-rab war/ I am sure the military is doing it's part.
the smoke from those wild fires I am sure is the cause of the weather being like it is. it is funny this happened last year when there were many.
so are they trying to change the temperatures to fool people into believing there is no global warming? you bet! I believe it will just compound the global warming and speed it along.
Ed
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Date: November 24, 2018 at 17:38:38
From: mimici/socal, [DNS_Address]
Subject: Clueless much? |
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Have you actually survived one of these fires? I have.
And I've survived many more as a lifelong coastal So Cal
resident. I watched the impossible happen last Dec when
3 large cities burned simultaneously. I witnessed other
things as well. I know 100 percent that these fires are
not typical California brush fires. I've also watched
the weather anomalies that have driven our drought for
many years. You are an ass. I hope you never have to
experience the horrors some of us have that are blamed
on nature and have zero to do with nature. Actually,
maybe you should experience it.
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Date: November 25, 2018 at 06:58:08
From: Alan, [DNS_Address]
Subject: Re: Clueless much? |
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There was one of these disinformation youtube videos posted here on
earthboppin by a woo merchant claiming dragons were causing the fires.
And no it wasn't satire, but someone really out there putting beyond
stupid superstitious ideas about in the midst of an ongoing disaster
affecting people.
Bopp I believe removed the post because he was requested and
presumably he agreed that it came under the 'fake news' / 'alternative
facts' / 'fire in theatre' categorization and wasn't even worthy of moving
to WOWS board.
Please get a clue before getting your knickers in a twist.
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Date: November 25, 2018 at 06:25:36
From: abra, [DNS_Address]
Subject: Re: Clueless much? |
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mimici, thanks for writing a first hand account. the know it alls on this site have been making fun of alternative theories about the cali fires since it started. The pix I have seen support YOUR position. Maybe the brainiacs around here will take a moment to read your post. Hope so.
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Date: November 25, 2018 at 08:06:34
From: Redhart, [DNS_Address]
Subject: Re: Clueless much? |
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Well, this one also lives in so cal, and has been here
my whole life to see the evolution of fires.
No, not dragons.
Not microwaves.
Not chemtrails.
Drought and climate changes.
Yes, we've always had fires--but what these fires are
doing now has a whole different character.
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Date: November 26, 2018 at 07:10:08
From: abra, [DNS_Address]
Subject: Re: Clueless much? |
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because they were started by scalar energy perhaps?
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Date: November 24, 2018 at 17:49:03
From: Eve, [DNS_Address]
Subject: Re: Clueless much? |
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Date: November 23, 2018 at 19:04:20
From: snodrop, [DNS_Address]
Subject: Re: California fire conspiracies a hit on YouTube |
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Hadn't seen the one about fire breathing dragons lol but
there again, there are always people that are gullible,
who will believe anything. Always good to have humor,
but the one thing that ticks me off big time is when
those that come up with their half baked ideas, monetize
them, often at the expense of families that have lost
a loved one in tragedy.
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Date: November 24, 2018 at 07:08:14
From: abra, [DNS_Address]
Subject: Re: California fire conspiracies a hit on YouTube |
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snodrop, you know who's BEST at monetizing disasters? The RED CROSS!!! They drove empty trucks around long Island during hurricane sandy to promote themselves. Now THATS despicable, so is the salary of their "head", now that's a REAL scam girlie.
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Date: November 24, 2018 at 13:10:06
From: snodrop, [DNS_Address]
Subject: Re: California fire conspiracies a hit on YouTube |
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Yup...and as far as I know they also gather money for
the next disaster instead of the one that they are
facing...during hurricane Sandy there was plenty of
footage that they had empty trucks and were there for
the photo op.
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Date: November 23, 2018 at 07:21:18
From: abra, [DNS_Address]
Subject: Re: California fire conspiracies a hit on YouTube |
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Nice, I don't want YOutube deciding whats TRUE for me. I guess you are PRO censorship? what a jerk!
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Date: November 23, 2018 at 07:43:01
From: Redhart, [DNS_Address]
Subject: Re: California fire conspiracies a hit on YouTube |
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I don't believe he's sensoring anyting, he's stating
his opinion on the matter and warning others to be
conscious of CT snake oil.
Many here seem to take any resistance of their own
psuedoscience beliefs as censorship.
It is not.
It's rebuttal and disagreement.
Apparently that is not allowed (or should not be) in
your world.
Good for Alan..I agree with him. I've seen these (and
called out) a few of these CT claims as I have a good
knowledge of fires, ignition sources and fire
science...it seems to do nothing. People with little
or no science background seem to want to believe them
so badly they'll do so--even when it does not make
sense, highlights their lack of science education or
serves a greater political/belief system need for
them in their personal life.
That is not a reason not to continue to "rebut" these
CTs when they come through. By your definition,
attempting to thwart real science, disagreement and
rebuttal would constitute censorship on your behalf?
No?
We definitely need more support of science in
schools.
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Date: December 04, 2018 at 15:38:45
From: Polydactyl in N. Bay, [DNS_Address]
Subject: Re: California fire conspiracies a hit on YouTube |
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Did you see the fire expert's opinion on the
2017 NorCal fires? Funny, I didn't see
mainstream talking about his opinion! At
least people shoukd acknowledge and research
the anomalies, talk to experts, and come to
their own conlusions. Sorry but climate
change, drought, and 'wind driven' surface
fires with abnormal temperatures that left
the crowns of trees unburned does not make
logical sense! I don't think you've reviewed
the anomalous details. Instead of supporting
scientific dogma, you still need to come up
with a plausible reason for the anomalies.
When scientists or non-science amateurs gloss
over data collecting, measurements, and
science research with experts, or, launch ad
hominem attacks, all that means is that one
has a belief in one answer or another. The
real answer right now is that we do not have
a comprehensive understanding how these fire
anomalies occurred. If you don't think we are
conducting experiments on the people and the
environment that is a whole other issue about
'belief' I'm not going into here (look up the
studies). People who are traumatized from
anomalous events deserve answers and
certainly have a right to discuss the
possibilities openly, without harassment and
judgement!
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Date: December 04, 2018 at 17:58:57
From: Alan, [DNS_Address]
Subject: Re: California fire conspiracies a hit on YouTube |
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Can I take that as ruling out fire breathing dragons as a cause?
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Date: December 04, 2018 at 16:38:14
From: Redhart, [DNS_Address]
Subject: Re: California fire conspiracies a hit on YouTube |
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I live in the sierras--I've seen all this and
understand fire science pretty well. I understand the
conditions of these fires. One of our businesses was
fire hazard reduction services.
I know people that have evacuated and lost homes (and
have had to evacuate a time or two myself--luckily,
without loss) in these fires. I've volunteered to
help victims in the aftermath.
I'll judge as I see it, thanks. I think I've earned
the right to my opinion. It's up to you whether to
like it or not.
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Date: November 24, 2018 at 19:00:45
From: Eve, [DNS_Address]
Subject: Re: California fire conspiracies a hit on YouTube |
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Speaking for myself...I take into account that she thinks her
ancestry is from an ape...prior to that it was a fish and prior to the
fish it was a hot amoeba...lol! The biggest CT of all times she
bought the hot amoeba one.
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Date: November 25, 2018 at 08:08:16
From: Redhart, [DNS_Address]
Subject: Re: California fire conspiracies a hit on YouTube |
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God works in mysterious ways.
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Date: November 25, 2018 at 10:34:20
From: Eve, [DNS_Address]
Subject: Re: California fire conspiracies a hit on YouTube |
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Yes, and not by mans ways or by mans understanding.
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Date: November 24, 2018 at 07:05:50
From: abra, [DNS_Address]
Subject: Re: California fire conspiracies a hit on YouTube |
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thanks, I will trust my OWN DISCERNMENT, I don't need YOUTUBE deciding science questions for ,me Honestly I don't need YOUTUBE deciding anything is "fake science" for me, I'm fairly good at figuring things out on my own thanks all the same. Y'all are mad/.
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