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Date: September 16, 2017 at 00:32:58
From: Eve, [DNS_Address]
Subject: Why Getting the "F" Out of FL is NOT so easy |
URL: http://www.miamiherald.com/news/weather/hurricane/article173494726.html |
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The answer to the question below is YES! they too many people here and the recent population
explosion happened too fast (I said that before but really!)....It's a penninsula...there are 3 ways
out to the north and it's a lot of two lane highway! So to the ones who say GTF OUT it's not
always the best advice but you would have to be here and have some common sense to relate to
that imo.
Built for bottleneck: Is Florida growing too fast to evacuate before monster storms?
SEPTEMBER 15, 2017 9:00 AM
Hurricane Irma mercifully weakened before it swept much of Florida with hurricane-force gusts.
But the gridlocked madhouse caused by the largest evacuation in Florida’s history shows just
how vulnerable runaway development has made one of the nation’s fastest-growing states,
emergency planners say.
“We have to stop and take a deep breath and ask, ‘What are we doing?’ ” said David Paulison, a
former Miami-Dade County fire chief brought in to run the Federal Emergency Management
Agency by President George W. Bush after the agency’s response to Hurricane Katrina was
harshly criticized. “The more people we put here, the worse it’s going to be for evacuation.”
Irma could have been Florida’s worst nightmare: A massive Category 5 hurricane wide enough
to hit both of the state’s densely populated coasts, where growth has boomed despite the
obvious risks of living on the water in an area regularly walloped by storms. The push for more
development — one of Gov. Rick Scott’s central policies in his successful effort to revive
Florida’s economy — is elevating the risks to both people and property, said Craig Fugate, FEMA
chief under President Barack Obama and the state’s emergency management director under
Gov. Jeb Bush.
“We’re trying to evacuate more people over the same infrastructure,” Fugate said. “It’s
something Florida has to revisit.”
Read more here:
http://www.miamiherald.com/news/weather/hurricane/article173494726.html#storylink=
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Date: September 20, 2017 at 17:18:26
From: Polydactyl in N. Bay, [DNS_Address]
Subject: Re: Why Getting the "F" Out of FL is NOT so easy |
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This may be a stupid question, however, here goes. Why can't cruise ships or carriers slide into port a couple days ahead and carry everyone further north at some convenient drop off spot, with lots of hotels and motels? I love it when the mayors and governor of FL says GTFO but provides no actual transportation other than cars and buses on, like you say, a two lane highway out..sheesh! If someone says it's too much money to offer extra special transportation support, charge the weather engineers and all their supporting groups for the oops-maybe-not-an-oops hurricanes which are at this point documented cloud seeding events?
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Date: September 20, 2017 at 18:03:11
From: Eve, [DNS_Address]
Subject: Re: Why Getting the "F" Out of FL is NOT so easy |
URL: http://www.earthboppin.net/talkshop/disasters/messages/10085.html |
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Please read the article through at link above and ponder some
more on it if possible...and also read the thread as there are
answers to your question(s) therein also.
If that were a feasible reasonable solution I am sure it would have
already been considered...but it is not for many many reasons I
won't get into. But I touch on one...over 20 million
people...children, pets...and as we see from Irma that not everyone
needed to GTF out of FLorida. C'mon folks think some don't react
regarding everything.....trying to form solutions that are more
chaotic and make no sense...Like who is going to force a cruise
lines company to make workers work and provide transport at a
cost everyone could afford and who is gonna make 2 million folks
take it? Just rounding up a bunch of ships who have folks
currently on a cruise from all over the place and toss them off? So
maybe can make it to Florida to round up folks from a cane not
sure how bad or where it will hit? ??? ...As if there are enough
ships and do it in one day cause that is how far out they now the
cane for certain my hit? not a plan in that. I can't believe I am
responding but it's new moon and what the 'ell. This is not Utopia
and it's never gonna be a perfect world in this place.
Honestly in America thousands die (of the flesh human and
animal, plant, etc.) every day that go unnoticed and the whole
nation does not morn that. But when something like a cane comes
or eq, tornado, nuke plant explosion, etc... the PTB of this world
belonging to the spin doctor who is the principality of the air of
this world start counting dead people and oh the lament, and oh
it's too bad and oh if they had only moved or ran around in circles
they would have maybe been spared...(notice rarely ever are
animals mentioned)...or say oh too bad so sad. Yet the rest that
die for tragic reasons scattered here and there is greater EVERY
SINGLE DAY and no matter no one knows the particulars of their
death. But if it's a mass death or dying or a drama rama not my
momma the PTB want focus on fear, tragedy, terror and the
counting of the dead bodies such (not the living ones of flesh
mind you...just dead flesh counts). ------ Why you think that is? :
Because the principality of the this world goes around like a
ROARING lion is why...
Cast Your Cares on Him
…7Cast all your anxiety on Him, because He cares for you. 8Be
sober-minded and alert. Your adversary the devil prowls around
like a roaring lion, seeking someone to devour. 9Resist him,
standing firm in your faith and in the knowledge that your
brothers throughout the world are undergoing the same kinds of
suffering.
The last thing I personally want to do is get on a cruise ship on
float on fukishima waters in a crowded sardine can with scared out
of their mind souls anyway.
--~>*- I don't think it was a governor of Florida that said GTFO of
Florida poly but it was advised as I repeat always is with a
cane to suggest to leave the Florida Keys. Even so it is not
forced on folks it's a choice. If they want to go down with the ship
then they chose to at that point cause conks know.
Further it was it any mayor, who said that either I know of... etc. If
so could YOU PLEASE PROVIDE A LINK ...A BONIFIED LINK
COMPLETE AND NOT FRAGMENTED FOR TO MAKE IT SOUND
OTHER THAN THE SITUATION WAS? Thank you. But see the
rumors and unverified suggestions someone said this or that is
how the fear porn works we should all know that by now. Yes?
Thank you again...does that answer the question? I can go into
further detail maybe if I in the mood....or not.
My pleasure, best to all in the eq's, and whirlwinds...we born
alone, and die alone what is best is to make sure all is well with
thy soul.
~Eve
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Date: September 24, 2017 at 02:12:13
From: Polydactyl in N. Bay, [DNS_Address]
Subject: Re: Why Getting the "F" Out of FL is NOT so easy |
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Well, no one is going to 'make someone' do something they don't want to do! My uncle in FL like you and everyone else is used to big hurricanes. They really are not so bad if you can get to a shelter or get out ahead. It turned out my uncle was fine, his wife finally got a cot, the food was okay, and they could stay a week at a shelter that was helping special medical needs people. The organization of the shelters truly was excellent although not everyone made it into one.
I was thinking of a way to get larger groups of people out..that's all. Meanwhile, I guess Dade County needs to try and fund the solution below. It would surely be better than exiting stage left and right, with all those cars on the highway! It takes a ton on money to build this kind of infrastructure these days so it's likely the shelters and maybe more buses planned ahead will help even more, next time- :)
'In South Florida, he said, “we’re going to have to grow more like New York or London and less like a suburb,” with an emphasis on high-speed rail and buses that can move people before a crisis. Proposals for that kind of public transit have been floated in Miami-Dade for years.'
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Date: September 20, 2017 at 18:45:12
From: Eve, [DNS_Address]
Subject: Re: Why Getting the "F" Out of FL is NOT so easy |
URL: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0FmL6i6hDlw |
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Date: September 25, 2017 at 15:08:48
From: Polydactyl in N. Bay, [DNS_Address]
Subject: Re: Why Getting the "F" Out of FL is NOT so easy |
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Eve thanks for this! He's really a GOOD musician. Raccoon eyes and barracuda teeth, he's a Keys critter- :) Micah will go into my exorbitantly huge, bookmark list of music.
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Date: September 25, 2017 at 18:21:55
From: Eve, [DNS_Address]
Subject: Re: Why Getting the "F" Out of FL is NOT so easy |
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Welcome! Nice to know you enjoyed the music and lyrics
Polydactyl!
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Date: September 17, 2017 at 18:05:44
From: kemokae, [DNS_Address]
Subject: Re: Why Getting the "F" Out of FL is NOT so easy |
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I heard this years when a bunch of us stayed up with an gal in Florida as one went over her...she did move more inland back then if I remember, couple of miles.....but how come they don't part cars in cement and steel garage parking lots...shut them up...
and offer to take them to another airport to stay it out in and then transport them back again, out of harm's way. Most all those flights are cancelled anyway so they should have the room for people leaving....one bus holds some 30 people, one car...well, one family. The bus doesn't take up the room 30 cars would take up on the road. Family could go with family. Pets in cages also. Just an idea. Our buses out here now run on bio-fuel also...not gasoline.
As far as personal effects, get them locked up in an
cement bank vault with steel door and steel suroundings....so you don't have to take much with you
but maybe sleeping bags and something to keep you occupied while in another airplane terminal for an couple of days. I'm sure most flight terminals could come up with sleeping units to sleep in also. Keep
these people separate from the other people travelers.
Provide soup and salad bars also. So there is not an lot of big heavy expenses to survive in for several days until all is calm again. Go back to making decent building codes also...not quite so close to the beaches...low areas.
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Date: September 17, 2017 at 20:14:24
From: Eve, [DNS_Address]
Subject: Re: Why Getting the "F" Out of FL is NOT so easy |
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The airports in Florida shut down in advance as it was too
dangerous to fly in and out. Also the great majority don't have the
funds to fly and then get a rental car and a hotel room. Ones like
myself don't like getting on buses and giving power to someone
else in bad weather and other reasons.
Basically the infrastructure is missing to allow for a large
evacuation and that's all I know. There was supposed to be a
beltway built around Tampa and area to help with hurricane evacs
but I have not heard anything more about it since a couple years
ago.
It is difficult to plan a hurricane and evacuation because they come
sporadically. Airports just are not going to build to focus
revolving around hurricanes as it's just not cost efficient. Plus I
would not want to be stuck in a airport in hurricane....I rather be
stuck at home. The last big ones were in 2004-05.
Our building codes are okay it's just trees do fall on houses in
heavy winds and flooding comes no matter how well a house may
be built.
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Date: September 17, 2017 at 22:29:55
From: kemokae, [DNS_Address]
Subject: Re: Why Getting the "F" Out of FL is NOT so easy |
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Wasn't thinking of adding fee's to evacuate to an near by airport out of the way nor for staying there say three days or so. Look at the money it would allow you when you return for clean up and repair. Besides, I was reading an article here awhile back how the hotels were scamming the evacuee's big time on fee's they were charging...cause the know they needed an room.
Yes you would definitely have to fly out and in before and after the hurricane...before they shut down services. As far as the buses go, you have to be an transporation type person, but nearly all the nursing home senior citizens are bussed to places they are going...better then dying. you know there are many ways to go at this, just which ever one you prefer.
Most of these things I suggest are already built also,and Govt help for fuel costs would not be much considering some of the other ways they can come up with to handle the problems...what if they built an new road...and it was washed out in an tidal surge. Not good on that one either. You would like my neighborhood EVE, all th eolder people decided coupel years ago to whack down their trees to kneen high becauase they are getting to old to do it later on as they grow...they have come up with some dcent ideas though, like the weeping cherry instead of the pine trees. Definitely easier to cut yearly. Now my oak tree...they want $6,700 to cut it down. But then I never planned on cutting it down anyway, and there's three tall pine trees across from it, so if they ever fell it might be the Oak tree saves our houses. The tree guys looked at I and said...keep it trimmed so any winds that blow can go through the tree and you should be safe. It's the ones that block the wind that get pushed over. Yet hubby maintains more trees you have the more they protect each other also.
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Date: September 18, 2017 at 02:35:24
From: Eve, [DNS_Address]
Subject: Re: Why Getting the "F" Out of FL is NOT so easy |
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I forgot to say I love trees and also ! Thanks for sharing!
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Date: September 17, 2017 at 23:11:15
From: Eve, [DNS_Address]
Subject: Re: Why Getting the "F" Out of FL is NOT so easy |
URL: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1928_Okeechobee_hurricane |
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It just don't work like that...We saw how no one predict Irma she
was going one way and the other so can be up to day before till
know for sure and folks have jobs, children....It's just not easy and
doubtful it ever will be with so many people to evacuate
Florida...21 million folks here now. Some folks refuse to fly, some
cannot fly due to health issues, etc. Flying about and all that jet
exhaust probably causing more weather problems than it solves
anyways. The airports here could not handle flying out every
single person and critter anyways. I myself will never fly again...I
just am not and I have done it plenty in my day. Also poor folks
don't have no money to save some don't even have jobs and some
sleep on the streets...there are billions of folks in Florida. This is
always gonna be we will always have the poor with us.
I suppose one just has to live through several hurricanes and in
Florida to understand it all.
At least the death toll is nowheres near it used to be in hurricanes
of yore like one I posted on this board 89 years ago that ripped
through Florida.
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Date: September 16, 2017 at 14:50:54
From: Lynn, [DNS_Address]
Subject: Re: Why Getting the "F" Out of FL is NOT so easy |
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Yes, as we watched the snail-pace freeways on the news, I discovered only then about Florida and it's only 2 freeways to exit. Not good.
I think is a definite warning of what other states could expect. Our state only has 2 freeways going north and south, and basically one going east and west. Everyday, roads are at a crawl during commute times.. so I cannot imagine in a disaster what would happen. And, if an earthquake was big enough to cripple freeway overpasses, then what?
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Date: September 17, 2017 at 22:33:27
From: kemokae, [DNS_Address]
Subject: Re: Why Getting the "F" Out of FL is NOT so easy |
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They would have to do like when Portland was first built and run ferry services across the rivers if the over passes failed. All these years and the same answer still would work.
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Date: September 16, 2017 at 17:51:00
From: Eve, [DNS_Address]
Subject: Re: Why Getting the "F" Out of FL is NOT so easy |
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I agree Lynn.
It could have been that in FL, a lot of folks who were in a non evacuation zone got scared and hit the road at the same time evacuation zones were trying to leave also. I know
for myself being where I am at a certain point one is better off staying put. The evacuation zone order used to work better before the population exploded. A great deal of
people are here who never experienced a big hurricane (like the ones we had in 2004-06 and prior) and who did not live a zone called to evacuate did not foresee the
problems being on the road would cause. I wonder also if complacency about hurricanes had set in before this one came especially regarding new residents of Florida. Back in
the mid 90's when I moved here the first thing done was to have a hurricane ready box of just in case and to check it yearly to replace batteries, etc.
Many have not tried to travel by car out of Florida either and did not realize what it might be like during a hurricane evacuation. Back in the late 90's going home for the
holidays was major traffic, worse was coming back to Florida. The traffic standstill began in Georgia! I thought must be a car accident ...but was not as the traffic inched on
and on one began to realize that. After the second time I decided no more driving out of Florida and back for the holidays. That was way before it got as populated as it is
now.
As you say many states may have a problem during evacuations. Especially if everyday there are traffic jams. I lived in NJ for awhile so I learned first hand about the daily
traffic grind. One morning to work I learned what black ice was and I never want to be in that again. Some can take side roads here in Florida which may or may not help, at
least it keeps one moving. Yet being the peninsula it is the way the roads are constructed in a particular fashion one is going to have to get back on one of the couple of main
highways at some point to get out of the state.
I even had a neighbor down the street who is a native Floridian and had been through Andrew when lived near Homestead at the time ...said she was without power for two
weeks who was panicking regarding Irma. Mainly the fear porn was getting to her on the TV. She said she had a generator, stocked with food & supplies, her elderly mother
was with her and so on. Said she did not know what more "they" wanted her to do. I said well you certainly don't want to try to evacuate in a car at this time being you
probably would be stuck on the road during a hurricane. She said no I don't want that and knew the timing for that had passed. I said since you have done all you can do turn
off the television and if you need more word news use the radio as the storm gets closer. She agreed about the television and said she had turned it off already. Thankfully
our neighborhood was spared so she is fine except and hopefully the stressing out over something one can do nothing more about did not do any damage to her mentally or
physically.
I had another neighbor say in despair all the evacuation shelters near us are full so she have no where to go if she needed. I said those places are dominantly for the shoreline
as in evacuation zone A and B are coming inland to where we are so they have a place of refuge better than being in the way of the storm surge, etc.
I can say that the evacuations and orders in the past seemed more orderly compared to this time. Also the Florida Keys system of tourists evacuating first then procession in
other zones of the Keys goes in an orderly fashion and it works...at least it did when I was visiting there once and was evacuated. We have zones in the rest of Florida also but
I wonder if many of the newcomers knew what zone they abide in and even so fear and near panic set in for many.
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