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From: ryan, [DNS_Address]
Subject: new clarity on abortion
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there has been a lot of back and forth on abortion, and some even base their entire basic credo on it, making it the center of all their thoughts and convictions...there is a growing body of evidence gathered by modern hypnosis regression that does a lot to clear up the confusion and erroneous conclusions about abortion... some of what has been revealed: 1) a body and a soul are two different and separate things, each with their own set of goals and talents...a soul enters the body in the womb in the time period between 4 and 8 months...no evidence of any soul entering before that because the brain is not developed enough at that time for the soul to work with it... 2) the soul has chosen the body it will enter/use for its current lifetime...many factors go into that choice, including the compatibility of the body and the soul and how well they will be able to work together... 3) there are many cases where a soul chooses to leave a body before birth...sometimes it is a learning experience for the mother/parents...sometimes it is a learning experience for the soul...these issues are generally worked out before the union of body and soul.. so that is a basic picture of how bodies and souls merge in the womb...with this information, the maniacal opposition to abortion is rendered nonsensical, since such and act may be something agreed upon by all parties involved... so chas, when you say you remember when you were in the womb, that is completely understandable and possible...what is not understandable is when you take that and create your manufactured position against abortion, especially abortion in all cases, which not only is illogical and narrow-minded, it is against the will of god...we await illumination... |
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From: pamela, [DNS_Address]
Subject: Re: new clarity on abortion
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heres a book I read several years ago which explains it well for me and also confirms what I have personally experienced in my life. Cosmic Cradle -Spiritual Dimensions of Life Before Birth I've posted this link couple times on Spiritual True stories for anyone who wonders about the great mysteries: where do we come from, why are we here, and why do we forget. Explore prebirth communications between parents and their future children and higher dimensional parenting. Learn what people spontaneously remember about life before birth, Inter-Life Memory, and the Immortality of the Soul: Cosmic Cradle traces our journey from the heavenly world to birth via pre-birth experiences, memories and communications. Stories include people who are born with memories intact of their journey to Earth and parents who communicate and interact with the Souls of their future children prior to birth. Cosmic Cradle is filled with wisdom gathered from interviews as well as classical and traditional sources – philosophy, cultural anthropology, history, biographies, religion, poetry, and mythology. This knowledge of pre-birth experiences has never been synthesized and compiled before into a single volume. Discover events happening at the Soul level prior to conception, womb-time and birth itself. Trace the step-by-step journey of the Soul from the higher dimensions through the mother’s womb to birth. Explore wisdom from 108 cultural perspectives and experiences of contemporary people. Learn about the individual Soul’s place and purpose in the grand scheme of creation. Cosmic Cradle provides a new synthesis for understanding our spiritual roots and the journey of our Soul: Do we choose our parents and our future lives before we are born? How does the Soul select parents and future life circumstances? Can communications occur between potential parents and souls seeking human birth? Why does the Soul “fall” from the higher dimensions? How do Souls travel to Earth? What happens when we are in our mother’s womb? What happens when we take our first breath? |
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25434
From: akira, [DNS_Address]
Subject: just curious, what's the source of your revelation? (NT)
| (NT) |
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From: ryan, [DNS_Address]
Subject: Re: just curious, what's the source of your revelation? (NT)
URL: http://www.earthboppin.net/talkshop/cbibrel/messages/25426.html
| i've read thousands of books in my life...only a few have really changed me...the bible, gurdjieff's and ouspensky's books, castaneda's books, and these books by newton, journey of souls and destiny of souls...i highly recommend them as a source for a new way of thinking about life on earth... |
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From: shadow, [DNS_Address]
Subject: Pamela, Ryan…
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Yep, on all of what’s brought through those excellent sources you both name, as well as many individual pastlife regressions of friends, some wonderful ancient Goddess/Divine Feminine sources of wisdom and my own experience… All concur within understandings of there existing a very vast, open-ended field of Choice around our incarnational soulgrowth experiences, some meant to last into old age, some meant to taste existence in form only intermittently in a pre-birth state, and all unique lengths of life and breath in between… All choices are valid, all agreements are blessed, all for reasons that honor complexities of soulgrowth more sacred than any manmade religious dogmatic control mechanisms disguised as spiritual law and guidance… |
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25415
From: chaskuchar@stcharlesmo, [DNS_Address]
Subject: Re: new clarity on abortion
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God puts the soul into the baby at conception. any elimination of the baby by external means is murder. sheesh, took me a couple of minutes to corre3ct the typing. |
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From: Kat, [DNS_Address]
Subject: Re: new clarity on abortion
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And I’ve watched the soul leave the body at death. Your statement makes all the sense to me in this world. Having lived in my mother for 9- months I was born with ptsd. She never wanted children ( her words) I used to fall asleep with my fingers in my ears because she and Daddy were always yelling at each other. My sister & I loved her on our terms & and for giving us life. Her terms were so warped. That’s why I had damp hands most of the time. By the Grace of God it doesn’t happen as often now. Mother didn’t want me on earth but Christ did & does. You didn’t ever want to listen when I had bad things to say ‘bout my mother. God gives the greatest challenges to the people who have the strongest characters. ( you being a cradle Catholic) I now know you couldn’t have ever understood. My iPad seems to write what it wants. Have to hit the keys just right. It leaves words out, then puts words in wrong. 😑 misses letters. I pray for you every night about your health. (Humbly said). George too. |
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25416
From: ryan, [DNS_Address]
Subject: Re: new clarity on abortion
| sorry, but you're making all that up chas... |
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From: chaskuchar@stcharlesmo, [DNS_Address]
Subject: Re: new clarity on abortion
| i only know. |
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25419
From: ryan, [DNS_Address]
Subject: Re: new clarity on abortion
| yes...you only...lol...think outside your box...it's not healthy to live in your imagination... |
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25420
From: Nevada, [DNS_Address]
Subject: ..it's not healthy to live in your imagination...
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...is it better that I should live in "your" imagination ryan? Why would you come here to "debate" the spiritual issue of abortion when youi can't even deal yet with people that don't see the "world" as "you" want to currently see it? A little respect for diversity and personal growth issues would be refreshing. A "positive" imagination is a much better teacher in life than most of the negative crap that people like to call "real" on EB. |
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25452
From: Kat, [DNS_Address]
Subject: Re: ..it's not healthy to live in your imagination...
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Very true Lee. Growing up with dyslexia, & left handed , & never got treated for it till a lot later in life. I’ve over come some of the disadvantages from being both. They teach kids in school differently with this condition now. Thank God! I read the medical symptoms of being dyslexia, still shows I have 5-of the 6 most prominent effects of having dyslexia. On top of living 9- months inside my mother. By the Grace of God & guardian Angels I’ve done pretty good in life. And worked my butt off for 12- yrs to graduate high school. W/ a B+ average, no teacher would EVER try to help me.. And worked at an ins. Company for 8+ yrs. I started in file dept. ended up in accounting. 4 moves in one company. Ins of North America. I’m not even sure it still exists. We moved to ID. After I quit. Mike had a good job at GE , he quit too. We started the process of seeing why after 10- yrs of marriage no kids in ID. Not expressing one’s self short stories is one of the symptoms. Sorry 😞 I try. Sometimes it works other times it doesn’t. I did learn to be emotionally intelligent & readying body language beyond words...now I’m done. I know without a doubt that I heard my mother inside of her the whole 9- months. She had a boy,6- yrs older than me, a girl, 3- yrs old than me. She didn’t want me at all. Johnny was six yrs younger than me. Spoiled Rotten! |
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25421
From: ryan, [DNS_Address]
Subject: Re: ..it's not healthy to live in your imagination...
| just reporting the facts ma'am...no need to get alarmed... |
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25422
From: Nevada, [DNS_Address]
Subject: Re: ..it's not healthy to live in your imagination...
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...interesting that most of the facts you're reporting are coming from your imagination. It might be more productive to point out the obvious good qualities Charles has presented here in the last few years rather than focus on things neither one of you can definitvely prove. Growing together is much more productive than pouncing on perceived shadows. The world has more than enough demons to work on than pouncing on the good guys. |
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25423
From: ryan, [DNS_Address]
Subject: Re: ..it's not healthy to live in your imagination...
| no...they are coming from documented sessions with a highly respected doctor and hundreds of case studies...chas has some good qualities for sure...but he has some bad ones too..it's not good to live in your ego either...lol...come out of the shadows yourself... |
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25424
From: Nevada, [DNS_Address]
Subject: Re: ..it's not healthy to live in your imagination...
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...if you have a pure heart, living in your ego can change the world into a better place. I'm familiar with the NDE experiences and I'm pretty sure they also emphasize love over negativity in the scheme of things. That's where "imagination" preempts "heart" for better or worse. A lot of people with good hearts on EB have chosen negativity over the possibility that all of us could be on a positive soul experience if we learned to respect one another. Since you are the guardian of this part of God's creation, you really ought to try a lot harder before the planet disappears from under our feet because we couldn't imagine a better resolution. It's too late for lol, it's time to care about all of us... ...equally. |
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From: Kat, [DNS_Address]
Subject: Re: ..it's not healthy to live in your imagination...
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So very true Lee. Too many minds are so narrow IMO. WE ALL need to knock down the sides of our boxes & let the light in. Take time to listen w/o commentary. One can learn so much by simply listening. Who knows a person may learn something new. |
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25426
From: ryan, [DNS_Address]
Subject: Re: ..it's not healthy to live in your imagination...
URL: https://www.newtoninstitute.org/publication/journey-of-the-souls/
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"the possibility that all of us could be on a positive soul experience..." don't think i have ever disagreed with this...although there are always degrees of positivity... if you want a better understanding of our collective experience here i highly suggest you read "Journey Of Souls" and "Destiny Of Souls" by regression hypnotist Michael Newton...answered a lot of questions and filled in a lot of gaps in my understanding of how things work... |
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From: Nevada, [DNS_Address]
Subject: Re: ..it's not healthy to live in your imagination...
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I'm sure both of us have have read and assimilated dozens of good books like this most of our life ryan... ...isn't it about time we emulated them? The division and derision prevalent on EB on any given day is embarrassing on any level of positivity. To continue at a time our very existence as a "planet" is at stake, seems more like spiritual suicide than evolutionary progress. There has to come a time when you practice what you preach. One bad call today and the "experiment" shuts down. Unconditional love and respect for one another is so much easier in the near term. What's stopping us? Really? |
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From: ryan, [DNS_Address]
Subject: Re: ..it's not healthy to live in your imagination...
| yourself... |
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25433
From: Nevada, [DNS_Address]
Subject: yourself...
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...freewill. ...and for good measure... ...living like there's no tomorrow. |
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From: ao, [DNS_Address]
Subject: Re: ..it's not healthy to live in your imagination...
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"Since you are the guardian of this part of God's creation.." Wow, that's some heady stuff there Nev.. and as much as I like the image.. I keep wondering what about an online forum bestows the responsibility of guardianship on its owner? This forum (EB) is a thing. Literally it's just a string of words in an esoteric language, code, that produces the interface we all interact through. But what about owning such a thing insinuates responsibility? Let's say I have a contract with a server farm to lease so much space on their drives. And, as a function of that relationship they in turn provide me with tools to make running my server more productive, and part of the suit of offered software there are many forum packages.. and all I have to do is hit a button and all of a sudden I have a forum online. Am I then 'responsible' to act a certain way? If people come and chat on my forum am I responsible to limit my contributions to the discussions so as to maintain some sort of air of responsibility because I am the admin also? I think not. And as much as I agree Ry is contributing far more than just running EB, I don't think his opinions, or what he might or might not do with them, mean anything close to what you suggest. In fact I think you're imposing an extra burden that I doubt you'd want placed on you if you were in a similar position. Why not just take Ry's words as you do all others, and leave the expectations at home? |
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From: Nevada, [DNS_Address]
Subject: "Since you are the guardian of this part of God's creation.."
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"In fact I think you're imposing an extra burden that I doubt you'd want placed on you if you were in a similar position" Appreciate your reasoned and attentive response ao. I actually was in a "similar" position in 1978 and took my own advice, and then some. I never asked from others what I wasn't more than willing to give myself. It was an "experiment" somewhat ahead of the curve that seems to understand even today, the value of it's sum being somewhat larger than the "individual" parts. It's a concept I'm led to believe you fully understand ao, and I know ryan does. We all have the "gifts"s here at EB, what we do with that understanding is up to us, but particularly, up to ryan as the founding father. EB can be much more than a forum, it can be a source of light and inspiration. That has to be part of ryan's goal if we are expected to actualize our own inner remote possibilities. |
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From: ao, [DNS_Address]
Subject: Re: "Since you are the guardian of this part of God's...
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“I never asked from others what I wasn't more than willing to give myself.” Amen. Though I don’t see how that applies here. Ry is a person, has opinions, ideas, and shares them here. So what? And besides, Jim (JOB) had a good thing going, but he got funny, started dreaming of collecting money from folks, and Ry decided to offer an alternative that didn’t. It’s that simple, he hasn’t said he’s anymore that any of us, just a silly human trying to get through his time here with as much grace as he can muster.. but man, he ain’t trying to be god. Nor is he offering his behavior as a model. He’s just a bloke like you and me. All told, I’d suggest the appropriate saying here is.. To lead one must follow And in that Ry is doing just fine.. it’s on you Nev, it’s on me, it’s on the posters, not the admin. It ain’t on Ry.. |
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From: Nevada, [DNS_Address]
Subject: To lead one must follow a higher path...
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...is it really that difficult to respect all God's "children"? We're running out of excuses ao... ...We're about to see the destruction of our planet without making a reasonable effort to get along, respect each other and go that extra mile? The time for excuses is pretty much over. This is where we all come together or we all leave together. I've seen you make that extra effort many times lately, shouldn't "all" of us make that same commitment while we still can? |
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From: Kat, [DNS_Address]
Subject: Re: To lead one must follow a higher path...
| ABSOLUTELY IMO! |
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From: ao, [DNS_Address]
Subject: Re: To lead one must follow a higher path...
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"We're about to see the destruction of our planet without making a reasonable effort to get along, respect each other and go that extra mile?" You ask that and yet seem to be supporting those doing the destruction. I am sorry, you lost me. IMO if you care about the planet you'd be working overtime to see the GOP fail. Whereas you seem to be one of them more than not. In any event you're all over the place. My point is, stop expecting.. tend your own garden.. |
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