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From: Eve, [DNS_Address]
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1:20 / 45:13 Is There a Spiritual Way To Kill An Animal? Christspiracy Documentary Q & A |
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From: ryan, [DNS_Address]
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| every living thing "lives" and "dies"...every thing is spiritual...every thing is sacred...you have a point and yet you don't...i'm guessing there is perhaps a gradation, but i would be guessing...i know i always feel compassion and pain when i see a dead animal, yet at the same time i feel and see the importance of its life, and death, and the triviality of the event contrasted to the necessity and enormity of it...i'd file your concern under emotional reactivity... |
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From: Eve, [DNS_Address]
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From: Eve, [DNS_Address]
Subject: Re: --) * Is There a Spiritual Way To Kill An Animal? * (--
URL: https://plantbasednews.org/culture/film/how-to-watch-christspiracy/
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fwiw, they raised the money to be able to present the documentary their way though the other documentaries prior to that were on Netflix. Story below on that and link is at the top of the page concerning this. Christspiracy caused a huge stir when it was first announced last year, and people around the world have been waiting in anticipation for news of its release date. The makers have now finally confirmed it will be available to watch in a matter of weeks. Here’s how to watch Christspiracy. The film comes from Kip Andersen, the maker of Cowspiracy, What the Health, and Seaspiracy. He teamed up with Kameron Waters, a US-based Christian who posed the question “is there an ethical or a spiritual way to kill an animal?” to him at a Q&A session a few years ago. The pair went on a journey to four continents to answer that question, focusing on religions including Hinduism, Islam, Buddhism, as well as Christianity. While the film largely revolves around religion, it also explores ethics, philosophy, history, and a variety of other disciplines, meaning it has a broad appeal beyond those who are religious or interested in religion. Here’s everything you need to know about how to watch Christspiracy, and when it’s being released. - When is the Christspiracy release date? - The filmmakers have now confirmed that Christspiracy will be released worldwide on March 20, 2024. - Will Christspiracy be on Netflix? - Andersen’s previous films have been available to watch on streaming service Netflix, but this will not be the case for Christspiracy. Due to the controversial nature of the film, which was originally called Cowspiritual, Andersen said that Netflix had asked for substantial edits, which weren’t in line with the makers’ vision of the film. “[We are] super grateful to Netflix for providing a platform and releasing the other three previous films,” Andersen previously told Plant Based News (PBN). “With this film it is a little challenging, as some of the subject matter is so bold and so controversial.” - How to watch Christspiracy - The movie is set for theatrical release on two dates (March 20 and March 24) in a number of countries in the world. These include: USA UK Ireland Australia Canada New Zealand - What is Christspiracy about? - As mentioned previously, the film explores a range of different religions and disciplines, but its central focus – as the name suggests – concerns the life of Jesus Christ. According to the creators, the film exposes the “biggest cover-up in 2,000 years.” Andersen says that this cover-up is “deeply embedded in the fabric of our society,” and that the film’s revelation “just might redefine what it truly means to be human(e).” It exposes this cover-up by exploring how some religions have adapted over time to enable their followers to justify cruelty to animals, when this is not what they originally preached. “Christspiracy is an exclusive story about Jesus Christ that has never been told before,” said Andersen. “What we have uncovered will transform history and future teachings forever.” He added that the film will show “the truth about what Jesus really meant and what he wanted,” and that the findings were verified by Oxford University professors and doctors. “We unveil why the world’s religions have hidden the truth from their people,” said Andersen. “The film and truth will shock you to the core.” - Is Christspiracy anti-Christian? - For anyone concerned that the film may have anti-religious themes, the filmmakers have clarified that the film is not anti-Christian, or anti any of the other religions explored. In an Instagram post responding to the question of whether Christspiracy is a “Christian or Christian-bashing film,” Andersen and Waters said: “Absolutely not. In fact, this film explores more than the Christian faith and includes Hinduism, Islam, Buddhism, and even philosophy, sociology, and history to deeply explore how faiths around the world answer the question: ‘Is there a spiritual way to kill an animal?’ No Christians were harmed in the making of this film. We promise.” They have also stated that they’re “not pointing fingers, we’re asking questions.” “What’s been really fun [in test screenings] is that from atheists to devout conservative Christians, any walk of life, they love this film.” Waters grew up in Georgia, and spent the majority of his childhood in the church. As a child, he never questioned his decision to eat animals, as everyone around him had always eaten meat. He was involved in A Christian hunting and fishing club growing up, until eventually he started asking himself the same question he would put to Andersen years later: Is there a spiritual way to kill an animal? And if so, how would Jesus kill an animal? Christspiracy hits movie theaters on March 20, 2024 |
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From: ao, [DNS_Address]
Subject: Re: --) * Is There a Spiritual Way To Kill An Animal? * (--
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Not that I watched your vid.. I hardly ever do.. but in response to your question.. We live in a odd reality. Life here is, in essence, made of life. There is no food we consume that is not itself a life form. We eat living tissue to feed our living tissue. The conflict, I imagine, comes when we think of eating life forms that can speak up for themselves. That can articulate their emotions. It's a quandary. When we lead an animal to slaughter we experience their emotions. And that, for conscience people, leads them to not eat animals. Whereas for those wholly unconscious, it's no different than salad. I have had long term relationship with many Io (Hawaiian hawks). And through all of them one thing is clear. They don't eat anything but raw meat their entire life. And in every instance those hawks are as much god's creation as am I. The hawks are pure in all they do. There is no maliciousness, no anterior motives. Just god's creations being how god intended. So, when a mother hawk kills a rat to haul it back to its nest to feed its yet to fledge chick, is that not spiritual? |
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From: Eve, [DNS_Address]
Subject: Re: --) * Is There a Spiritual Way To Kill An Animal? * (--
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Hi ao, fwiw it was the question presented by one of the producers of the "Christspiracy" documentary who was a former musician in a Christian band. I was not proposing the question as if I wanted an answer from someone here so apologies on the misunderstanding. For myself I feel death feeds death and begets more death as bloodshed seeds more bloodshed, fear seeds more fear, anger seeds more anger...and these spirits seed the spirit of disease causing lack of harmony and balance in the natural. I believe what the Creator of Life made for food as in Genesis 1:29 and that has never changed as my God changes not. We believe different what you believe is not what I believe. I have heard your type of arguments for support of beliefs before...I have been a vegan for 22 years and this was by way of answered prayer, not asking flesh and blood whose vessel is a mixture of life and death but going directly to the source of the life, the life giving spirit and asking. It was not overnight I was given to know this it was little by little. I don't expect that others will understand straight way either and maybe never. Yet many in defending their position imo are blocking themselves perhaps being uncomfortable in putting what they believe or what they have been taught to the test or are more inclined to follow the mainstream narrative. My testimony is I have shared before having asked in prayer which was answered in 2002. I have shared that on these boards for years long before I knew of this documentary which was last year I heard of it. Long before this documentary "Christspiracy" was seeded in the thought of someone who asked a question in public of another "Is there a spiritual way to kill an animal (?)" I was given to understand and see how it was hidden and why by way of answered prayer 22 years ago as a student of my Lord whom I asked....I don't follow flesh and blood teachings of men nor do I ask them about what is truth. I sift the spirits for truth by obedience to the true precepts such as "do not kill"...it's a spirit. There is a spirit in killing and a spirit in abstaining and my Lord walked and taught the latter "do not kill". If you don't view the clip or read what I have copied about it in other posts even below the clip you speak from a place of misunderstanding imo. But maybe you still might even if you did view it or read what I copied below the video. The video clip is not gory at all please view it before commenting again on this topic and you can reject what it consists of if, your choice. Though if you don't know what it consists of how can you make a well rounded rebuttal to the contents? Last of all once I understood by way of answered prayer I see clearly now why my God would not make another sentient being who feels pain and suffering the same as I for food. This to me is the testimony of the spirit of true love, a strong union, a real union. While others may see it differently and I understand in a way having been in that world but I chose to leave it behind. Thanks for reading this and well wishes.   |
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From: ao, [DNS_Address]
Subject: Re: --) * Is There a Spiritual Way To Kill An Animal? * (--
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Aloha Eve. Thanks for the discussion. And as much as I might go down that rabbit hole with you, I’d still like to hear your thoughts about natures take on what is sacred. I understand, at least fleetingly, the notion that for man to rise above the animal within us, it may be advantageous to not consume meat, but at the same time I wonder if that’s as much an illusion as is anything? For instance, I’ve come to consider that we’re all living in a soup of life. That with every breath we inhale life in many forms and exhale it in as many. That we’re all exchanging facets of creation, and eating is a way, one of many, in which we interact on that level with god. I also think of emotions as sensors.. we sense and interpret our sensations, but wonder if we’re correct in our interpretations? For instance. I’ve noticed that when a cat catches a bird there’s an initial resistance, that gives way to acceptance. In the end the bird gives its life without struggle. Which leads me to wonder, in higher forms than us, the bird for instance, is there a knowledge that to be eaten is a part of its life’s purpose? It’s just an observation, but one I think about sometimes. Anyways, thanks for your thoughts. |
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From: ryan, [DNS_Address]
Subject: Re: --) * Is There a Spiritual Way To Kill An Animal? * (--
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georgi said that the ideal is to not kill and eat flesh...but there was a caveat...unless everyone aspired to and held this ideal dearly, and practiced it, then those who did not eat flesh would be at a severe disadvantage among their fellow humans which manifested as a lack of will and vigor... some other things georgi said about it (from vrious sources)... “One day, Mr. Gurdjieff arrived in the midst of a lively debate in which the vegetarians in our group were fiercely defending their cause. Among them was Mrs. N., the wife of a banker. Actually, this lady was not a vegetarian; she could not stop talking and involved herself in everything in order to be noticed. She never missed an opportunity to show her eccentric opinions, or defend ideas that she thought were highly original. ‘Gyorgi Ivanovich’, she said, ‘It really isn’t necessary to kill animals to feed ourselves, is it? Can we live perfectly well on grains, milk, fruit and vegetables?’ ‘Yes’, Mr. Gurdjieff replied, ‘it is quite possible, because everything required for the physical and spiritual life of man can be found in the vegetable kingdom.’ Mrs. N. Was radiant. ‘ You see’, she said to the others, ‘I was right!’. ‘Yes’, Mr. Gurdjieff added. ‘You would be right if our human experience was limited only to the spiritual, but it isn’t. Meat is necessary when there is hard physical work or in a very cold climate, or when edible plants cannot be found. Besides, our canines teeth as well as other biological characteristics show that our digestive system has been adapted by nature to assimilate meat. Animal flesh provides all the substances we need, both for the intensive working of our organism and for maintaining a normal temperature in cold climates. So, you are right, and at the same time, you are not right’. I particularly liked such moments when, with an objectivity infused with tolerance, Mr. Gurdjieff widened the perspective of our exchanges.”" “Practice love on animals first; they react better and more sensitively.” "Man is also food. He is eaten by the moon. ... After enlightenment, it is optional, but no enlightened person can eat meat and fish. Not that by eating meat and fish his enlightenment is going to disappear - enlightenment cannot disappear, whatever you do. " Once, a man came to him. He had never drunk any alcohol before. He was a vegetarian and of good character. Gurdjieff asked him to eat meat and drink alcohol. Now, obviously, you would say he was absolutely mad. The man must have been shocked. He said, “What are you talking about?” He ran away. One of Gurdjieff’s disciples asked him why he said such a thing. Gurdjieff replied, “The purpose was very clear. The man was against eating meat. He was against drinking alcohol. And because of his not eating meat and not drinking, he was carrying a great ego: ‘I am pious; I am ethical; I am religious; I am vegetarian!’ It was necessary to shatter this arrogance.” When a vegetarian approached him, Gurdjieff would say: “Eat this meat!” Naturally, the intellect said, “This is the way to corrupt me. Can he be called a master?” But some stayed, and since the master had asked them to they would eat the meat. Once the master asked, the matter was over. But then he wouldn’t ask them to eat it again. Sometimes it happened that as the disciple went ahead and chose meat, he would stop him – that was it; the matter was finished. There was no point in eating the meat anymore." (On vegetarianism and will power.) The famous dispute between the great Hertoonano and Veggendiadi arose on the following occasion. The philosopher Veggendiadi, it seems, occupied two days in affirming and proving that it was absolutely necessary to spread among all the followers of the teachings of Jesus the notion that to kill animals for the purpose of consuming their flesh for food was the greatest sin, and moreover that such flesh was very harmful to the health ... Hertoonano with measured dignity slowly mounted the rostrum and spoke in the manner proper to him, clearly and calmly. "... to cut short other lives merely to stuff one’s own belly is an infamy of infamies such as only man is capable of. "... hasten back to your towns, and there in the public squares to cry aloud: ‘Stop! Stop! People! Consume no more meat for food! This practice of yours is not only contrary to all the commandments of God, but is the cause of all your diseases.’ "As you see, I do not do this now. And I do not do so only because during my long years of unremitting study of this question I have, as I have already told you, arrived at an entirely different definite conclusion. "... But if we cannot now be certain that at some time or other all people on Earth will abstain from meat, then we must now, as regards the consumption of meat, take quite other more practicable measures, because if one part of mankind consumes meat and the other part does not, then according to the results of my experimental investigations, the greatest of evils—than which nothing could be worse—would befall the people who did not consume meat. "Namely, as my detailed experiments have shown me, among people who do not consume meat but who nevertheless live among those who do, the formation ceases of what is called ‘will power.’ "My experiments proved to me that although when they abstain from meat people’s bodily health improves, nevertheless, when such abstainers find themselves mixing with those who consume meat, their psychic state inevitably grows worse, in spite of the fact that the state of their organism may at the same time sometimes improve. "Thus, a good result for people who abstain from meat can be obtained exclusively only if they live always in complete isolation. "As regards the people who constantly consume meat or those products which contain the element called ’Eknokh,’ although the appearance of the state of their organism undergoes no change, nevertheless their psyche, especially its chief feature which is sometimes designated by the general word the ‘character’ of man, gradually changes in regard to positiveness and morality for the worse, beyond all recognition. "... Well then, when, thanks to these experimental researches of mine, I became clearly convinced that if people continue to consume meat for their food it will be very bad for them ..." ......... "at first I thought abdil must be a temple jew in old jerusalem, what, with the slaughter at the time to humanity's idols and gods and the differentiation of cows and sheep and doves as clean or otherwise and the priestly tribe - the levites - making a living off of the offerings just as Jerusalem's temple priests did. even the festival of zadik where Abdil manifested his conversion to 'beelzebub's' creed - Zadik is a Hebrew word for righteous or saint. except it is not old Jerusalem but east, and Beelzebub even enjoins abdil to think not like a khorassianian ass - khorassianian being some Persian. but regardless, all that is described is consistent with the old testament, rife with sacrifice. as a contemporary being I find it shocking and wonder if life could be so different way back when. (jews no longer sacrifice but muslim sacrifice continues, same hungry god of Abraham.) beelzebub's declarations on the subject are are diametrically opposed: "I am quite sure that if any one of them should become aware that in destroying another’s existence he is not only committing an evil deed against the true GOD and every real Saint, but is even causing them, in their essences, sorrow and grief that there should exist in the great Universe ”in-the-likeness-of-God” beings-monsters who can manifest towards other creations of our COMMON CREATOR so consciencelessly and pitilessly; I repeat, if any of them should become aware of this, then certainly not one among them could with all his heart ever again destroy the existence of beings of other forms for Sacrificial-Offerings." isn't Beelzebub here saying that what's gone wrong - something monstrous leading towards conscienceless and pitiless manifestations - was introduced into the old testament itself. this puts into relief the protagonist Beelzebub himself, pro god, anti-god?" ....... "Practice conscious love on animals first." |
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From: Eve, [DNS_Address]
Subject: Re: --) * Is There a Spiritual Way To Kill An Animal? * (--
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Watch the clip or read what I copied and pasted it's about the documentary "Christspiracy" it' not about what what's his name said ...to me it's offensive against the God of life to take the life of another is to send the spirit of the life of God away. I mean look at the environment at this point and time, it's dying, we are dying...it's no wonder due to the voracious appetites of humans for flesh and blood so now consuming one another as in the days of Noah this in the book of Enoch how this happened back when and it's happening again...wakey wakey or not. My prayer was answered concerning this in 2002 when my Lord came to me and told me about the food and as I shared with ao in this thread. Niether of you seem to have viewed the clip but you have a lot to say on what the topic is not about... it's not about gurd or what he said or taught. |
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From: ryan, [DNS_Address]
Subject: Re: --) * Is There a Spiritual Way To Kill An Animal? * (--
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"...it's offensive against (the) God (of life) to take the life of another..." exactly what georgi said...and he speaks the truth... the rest is just food for thought and an explanation of where we're at with it all... |
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From: Eve, [DNS_Address]
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Thanks for responding I understand it was just a lot of words to get there for me so I admit I breezed by in responding...I am a bit edgy with incoming sensory tonight so apologies for coming across short. |
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