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Date: February 22, 2022 at 06:43:39
From: shadow, [DNS_Address]
Subject: From the new Christian right to Christian nationalism, part 1 |
URL: https://religionnews.com/2022/02/21/from-new-christian-right-to-christian-nationalism-part-1/ |
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(RNS) — When I first began studying religion and American
politics 40 years ago, the new kid on the block was the
new Christian right. Its avatar was the late Jerry
Falwell Sr., pastor of an independent Baptist church in
Lynchburg, Virginia, and a self-promoter eager to lead an
evangelical crusade against feminism and gay rights.
In the 1970s, white evangelicals were in thrall to the
premillennialism of Hal Lindsey’s mega-bestseller “The
Late Great Planet Earth.” It taught that moral corruption
had taken over the world, America was no better than any
other country and Christians should content themselves
with going to church and evangelizing others in
preparation for the imminent End Times.
In countering his co-religionists’ political quiescence,
Falwell flew something of a false flag. His social values
were not “Christian” but “Judeo-Christian,” his
organization, the nominally inclusive Moral Majority,
Inc. This was not to look like a Christian political
crusade.
But when other evangelical leaders joined GOP operatives
to activate evangelicals as Republican voters, it was
impossible to doubt what this movement was about. And
with the election of Ronald Reagan and the defeat of a
clutch of Democratic senators in 1980, the New Christian
Right became a thing to be reckoned with.
Reagan himself steered clear of the rhetoric of crusade,
conjuring up instead the restoration of an idealized
America he liked to call “the shining city on a hill.”
This was, as he put it in his farewell address, “a tall,
proud city built on rocks stronger than oceans,
windswept, God-blessed, and teeming with people of all
kinds living in harmony and peace; a city with free ports
that hummed with commerce and creativity. And if there
had to be city walls, the walls had doors and the doors
were open to anyone with the will and the heart to get
here.”
By the 1988 election cycle, the Christian Right (no
longer new) had established itself as an essential
component of the Republican coalition. That year
witnessed a surprisingly successful run for the GOP
presidential nomination by pentecostal Pat Robertson,
proprietor of the Christian Broadcasting Network and host
of its daily newsmagazine, “The 700 Club.”
Robertson’s campaign slogan, “For God and Country,”
injected a nationalistic theme into the Christian right
that would swell over time. After Vice President George
H.W. Bush defeated him for the nomination and then won
the presidency, Robertson established the Christian
Coalition, which quickly replaced the Moral Majority as
the movement’s marquee organization, doing serious grass-
roots organizing under the direction of GOP wunderkind
Ralph Reed.
The strategy of both the Reagan and Bush administrations
was to give the Christian right — or religious right, as
Falwell among others called it — a good deal of lip
service but limited concrete action. This left a sizable
cohort ready to follow former Nixon speechwriter Pat
Buchanan in his insurgent effort to wrest the
presidential nomination from Bush in 1992.
Buchanan’s campaign slogan, “America First,” harked back
to the America First isolationists who opposed U.S. entry
into World War II and whose most prominent figure was
Nazi sympathizer Charles Lindbergh. Speaking in support
of Bush’s renomination at the 1992 Republican Convention,
Buchanan hurled down the gauntlet of religious
nationalism.
“There is a religious war going on in this country,” he
declared. “It is a cultural war, as critical to the kind
of nation we shall be as was the Cold War itself, for
this war is for the soul of America.” Where Reagan’s
vision was that of an open and inclusive American civil
religion, Buchanan invoked what the Italian scholar of
Fascism Emilio Gentile calls a “political religion” — an
intolerant and exclusivist sacralization of the nation
for use as a weapon in partisan combat.
Four years later, Buchanan was out on the presidential
hustings again, and while he was only modestly more
successful against the establishment’s candidate (Sen.
Bob Dole of Kansas) than he’d been against Bush in 1992,
shrewd insiders like William Kristol, then editor of the
conservative Weekly Standard, perceived him, rather than
the pro-Dole Ralph Reed, as the real leader of the
Christian right.
“Pat Buchanan has now taken over a movement that Pat
Robertson and Ralph Reed spent eight years building up,”
Kristol told The Washington Post early in the 1996
primary season. “Ralph Reed thinks the way to win the
culture war over the long term is to damp down the
enthusiasm of some of his followers and lead a long march
through the institutions. Pat Buchanan wants to lead a
fixed bayonet charge on the elites right now. It is a
very different political strategy and implies a different
agenda.”
That strategy would have to wait 20 years to come to
fruition. The story next time, in part 2.
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Date: February 24, 2022 at 09:05:37
From: blindhog 6th sense, [DNS_Address]
Subject: Better Christian Nationalism Than 4th Reich Gas Chambers/Furnaces(NT) |
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Date: February 24, 2022 at 09:33:54
From: ryan, [DNS_Address]
Subject: Re: Better Christian Nationalism Than 4th Reich Gas... |
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it was the german "christian" nationalists that built the 4th reich gas chambers...
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Date: February 24, 2022 at 09:49:55
From: Elaine, [DNS_Address]
Subject: Re: Better Christian Nationalism Than 4th Reich Gas... |
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There have been many throughout the ages who have used the bible wrongly. Many
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Date: February 24, 2022 at 10:25:07
From: shadow, [DNS_Address]
Subject: Re: Better Christian Nationalism Than 4th Reich Gas... |
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That's for sure, Elaine!
Is there a specific point you're wanting to make by saying
so?
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Date: February 24, 2022 at 16:53:08
From: Elaine, [DNS_Address]
Subject: Re: Better Christian Nationalism Than 4th Reich Gas... |
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Simply saying there are good Christians out there, but unfortunately there are way too many who call themselves that, but are far from being so. They are Christians in name only.
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Date: February 25, 2022 at 08:43:38
From: Nevada, [DNS_Address]
Subject: ...there are "good" spiritual seekers out there as well... |
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...it's been my experience in life that they can get
"confused" and side tracked just as easily.
Pretty much a fact of life for all of us, especially
these days when there are so many attractive diversions
to explore.
A good starting point is the understanding of
unconditional love and absolute respect for others. Most
of the rest tends to follow if one is sincere and serious
in the path.
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Date: February 25, 2022 at 18:09:05
From: Elaine, [DNS_Address]
Subject: Agreed(NT) |
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Date: February 23, 2022 at 07:20:07
From: shadow, [DNS_Address]
Subject: The point of my posting this was... |
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...to offer a best effort toward helping those who
identify as "Christian right," and who are also, for
whatever reason, genuinely open to growing/expanding
their perspectives even a little bit... And around what,
exactly, lies at the source of their having thrown in so
completely with an angle of belief that literally flies
in the face of everything Jesus/Yeshua stood for and came
to model for us, when it comes to how we treat our fellow
human beings... Have you given this any real thought?
By my lights it's always fear...and an angle of wattage I
was operating without there, for some years, was that our
fears are the very last thing we surrender to the Divine
in a spiritual process... Fear ends up being our most
cherished and fiercely defended burden, because without
it, opening and expansion *beyond it* takes us into the
Unknown...which our human egoic selves, operating
entirely without the benefit of Spirit's input
(especially younger souls) will literally & self-
righteously kill to avoid, and offer up our own very
lives in exchange for not having to be faced with it...
Eventually as part of our soulgrowth we will all be faced
with the exact experiences, come alive before us, of
everything we are most terrified of...and we are now
within timings that will expand all of us into unfamiliar
territories... Many conservative republicans are acting
out their terror of this, in so many ways and on so many
levels, by attempting to utilize Christian-organized-
religion's dogma as an invalid platform upon which to
disappear whole groups of humans, and their equal
rights...having surrendered not to the Divine's Infinite
Loving guidance within them, but to their fears of the
Unknown...
And yes, I know being confronted with this often does no
good whatsoever and, more often, doubles down the fear
the moreso... I'm directing these words solely to those
who have room for these types of considerations and, if
not welcome them, will at least scan it with one eye...
;)
Love to Everyone...
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Date: February 23, 2022 at 20:43:29
From: shadow, [DNS_Address]
Subject: Wow... Fascinating, what all rolled out here... |
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...in all the directions it did... ;D
I stand by my initial post, and my clearly stated intention in saying all
I did...and I know anyone meant to be supported or have their ways
of thinking offered a different context of consideration by my doing so
will be...
^..^
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Date: February 23, 2022 at 21:28:19
From: ryan, [DNS_Address]
Subject: Re: Wow... Fascinating, what all rolled out here... |
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lol...guess no one wants to talk about "christian" nazis...
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Date: February 24, 2022 at 06:03:05
From: shadow, [DNS_Address]
Subject: Re: Wow... Fascinating, what all rolled out here... |
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Well y'know...none of it's easy, right?
Those who also see through the "christian-belief" guise
that fascist rightwingers use to try to slap some kinda
credibility or righteous justification onto what is
clearly a nazi-like/exclusivist agenda for our country
might not feel inclined to speak of it...giving such
distasteful reality more than a grim silent
acknowledgement is understood...
And those who identify as these folks the article I
posted described, and I describe above, well...the fiery,
indignant violence that fear of the unknown can generate,
especially when anyone points out the possibility that
it's actually this fear in the roots of their values and
beliefs that drives their entitled illusions of
spiritual/racial/ethnic superiority...also understandably
doesn't get received well... ;)
But some may hear, and sense, and recognize, and feel an
inclination toward questioning withing themselves, along
these lines... ;)
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Date: February 24, 2022 at 04:51:47
From: chaskuchar@stcharlesmo, [DNS_Address]
Subject: there are no 'christian' nazis |
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you are one or the other. can't be both.
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Date: February 24, 2022 at 09:32:32
From: ryan, [DNS_Address]
Subject: Re: there are no 'christian' nazis |
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Date: February 23, 2022 at 08:33:17
From: Nevada, [DNS_Address]
Subject: Love to Everyone... |
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...except those poor young souls still leading a fear
based life?
In my lifetime I have known a ton of older souls
claiming to be living a love based life and yet
practicing the opposite in their everyday decisions and
pronouncements.
On the other hand, I've also known a ton of "younger
souls" attached to "fear based" dogmas" living perfect
lives of love and respect for all that touch their
lives.
How do you explain that interesting phenomenon?
May we always live in interesting if not exactly
logical times.
Being an old soul does not automatically mean it's a
mature or wise soul...
...and even the youngest may still have equal access to
beginners luck.
I suspect ego may have something to do with it as well,
regardless of perceived age.
In any event, I suspect good works usually "trump" age
in the course of things.
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Date: February 23, 2022 at 19:45:32
From: Kat, [DNS_Address]
Subject: Re: Love to Everyone... |
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There are old souls and young souls. I’m not sure if I’m an old soul or
not. Sometimes over the years I’ve known things that were going to
happen before it happened.
At the age of 9- car trip to TN I woke up from a nap in NM and knew what
was coming- the next town. Buildings, all looked to me as if I knew what
was down the road.that feeling that came over me has never left me. All
was so familiar! Strange to say the least.
I knew when my uncle had died the night before I got the call. ( no
warning)
Age 14- another road trip. We stopped at Boise, ID capital. I stood next to
the bell for a picture and said out loud “I’m going to live here someday.”
No plans ever were spoken ‘bout this. We both had great jobs in CA when
we both decided sale our home and quit our jobs to move to ID to be
close to our friends. (10- yrs later after when I knew) we lived there for
29- yrs. We both were born in CA but after 29 yrs in ID will always be our
home state. Many moments have happened to me like all the above. So, I
can’t explain any of it. Today, I lean more and more on my Faith, & take it
one day at a time.
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Date: February 23, 2022 at 09:03:53
From: shadow, [DNS_Address]
Subject: Re: Love to Everyone... |
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"...except those poor young souls still leading a fear
based life?"
*Most especially* them, Nevada...and, yourself amongst
all others...
All the rest here is your own elaborative projection from
that initial misunderstanding...
Please stop trying to verbally derail and mischaracterize
my intention, Nevada... You will not succeed, and it only
serves as further clear evidence of your own...
Over and out...
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Date: February 23, 2022 at 10:04:13
From: Nevada, [DNS_Address]
Subject: ...what "was" your intention Shadow? |
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... labeling those with attachments to "fear based"
religions as "young souls" sounds pretty "fear based"
to me.
I wouldn't be surprised if many "old souls" choose
incarnations into "fear based religions" just to prove
it's a unique learning experience rather than
necessarily an absolute obstacle.
Absolute love and respect probably has a lot more to do
with the attitude of a soul than "age"...
I wonder why an "old" soul would be so determined to
denigrate and isolate half of creation?
...do old souls have old egos?
Pretty sure more than a few do.
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Date: February 23, 2022 at 11:16:27
From: akira, [DNS_Address]
Subject: Re: ...what "was" your intention Shadow? |
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Agree. I love it when people characterize others as ‘young souls’ or ‘old
souls’, as if they’re privy to who’s what. I’ve been told I’m an old one & I’ve
been told I’m a young one. In the course of our session, the one who told
me I’m a young soul had obvious boundary issues & insisted I should wear
something white everyday. And at the end she felt compelled to let me know
how 'young' my soul was. Lol
On the other hand, I recall reading years ago from some spiritual teacher
that one can not perceive whether another is a more advanced soul than
they are. If that’s true, than one could easily mistake a perceived ‘younger’
soul for an ‘older’ one.
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Date: February 23, 2022 at 18:11:08
From: Chuckles , [DNS_Address]
Subject: Re: ...what "was" your intention Shadow? |
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Akira, during your stay on this
planet, did you ever feel you did
something that wasn't morally right?
If so, did anything happen to you
right afterwards, seconds, minutes,
or even a couple of days afterwards.
Something that was so obvious
connected to what you did that was
morally wrong. If so, that would be
the most obvious sign that you are
an old soul, you don't get away with
anything. If you tend to get away
with stuff, that's a clear sign
you're a young developing soul who's
not getting a sharp smack in the
face to wake up to who you are and
what your purpose is.
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Date: February 24, 2022 at 17:35:08
From: akira, [DNS_Address]
Subject: Re: ...what "was" your intention Shadow? |
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Do I have a conscience? yes.
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Date: February 24, 2022 at 21:10:45
From: Chuckles , [DNS_Address]
Subject: Re: ...what "was" your intention Shadow? |
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Date: February 23, 2022 at 19:42:32
From: Nevada, [DNS_Address]
Subject: Re: ...what "is" your intention in life? |
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Chuckles...
I recall a moment, decades ago, when I had the
"realization" that I had learned all the lessons life
had to teach me and that if I were to "die", I was
ready to meet my maker and then some. I remember being
so proud of myself.
The very next day, I set out on a rather simple project
to replace a water pump on a swamp cooler on the second
story of my house in Sacramento.
It was a hot day and all I had on was a pair of
swimming trunks: no shirt, no shoes or socks or hat.
I "switched" the swamp cooler off, crawled out a narrow
"metal ledge" and pulled off the side of the swamp
cooler. I was about 12 feet above a paved concrete
sidewalk and feeling pretty cocky about my newly earned
spiritual credentials.
I very carefully took a pair of metal plyers and cut
into the wire connecting the water pump to the cooler.
That turned out to be a huge mistake. While I turned
of the swamp cooler, the wire was obviously still "hot"
and I was instantly a conduit for the electricity to
flow from the water pump, through me to the metal
roofing down to the ground 12 feet below.
I realized instantly that God had granted my "wish" and
it was impossible to remove my paralyzed hand and body
off the cooler and I would be dead within a few
seconds.
In this moment I was given a possible alternative to
sure death, that if I could "mentally" shift my body,
there was a chance I could fall off the ledge,
paralyzed, and land on the concrete sidewalk below,
knowing that I would hit the concrete with my body
horizontal and would break my back for sure, and
probably crush the back of my head and die anyway.
In that split second I decided to opt for the chance to
live, knowing the best I could hope for was being
totally paralyzed for life and would probably die
anyway.
I immediately went into a freefall and landed on my
back on the concrete.
I laid sprawled on the sidewalk moments later
realizing that not only was I still alive, but that I
would walk away from this experience physically intact.
On the way down my body had become entangled with a
grapevine that was growing on the side of the house and
had formed a crumpled virtual mattress under my body as
I fell.
That was the last time I allowed myself to second guess
the universe on when I might be ready to move on.
I don't know about young souls and or old souls, but I
do know life on earth is a lot more precious and
important to me now then before...
...and I also know that no conversation with the
Creator is ignored.
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Date: February 23, 2022 at 20:07:46
From: Chuckles , [DNS_Address]
Subject: Re: ...what "is" your intention in life? |
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Seems you've learned God Talk in a
unusual way, and hopefully you've
God Talked from that point on from
that experience. Thanks for sharing!
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Date: February 23, 2022 at 11:32:49
From: shadow, [DNS_Address]
Subject: Such unexpected validation, thanks Akira... ;) |
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I can always tell when I’ve succeeded at expressing myself, at least
to some respectable degree, when a certain few people reliably
start...well, doing this... ;)
There will always be many who do, and must...and I know those for
whom I’m speaking, and those who resonate or feel cued to explore
the question, will receive the support I’m intending as it’s meant...&
that’s all I really care about...
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Date: February 23, 2022 at 11:46:40
From: akira, [DNS_Address]
Subject: I'm glad you feel validated!(NT) |
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Date: February 23, 2022 at 12:00:37
From: Nevada, [DNS_Address]
Subject: a souls "intent" probably speaks louder than it's "age"... |
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...probably true of "humans" as well.
I'd rather deal with a young soul with positive intent
than an older soul still carrying around lifetimes of
misconceptions that need to be recycled and "enlightened"
before moving forward again.
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Date: February 23, 2022 at 12:05:48
From: akira, [DNS_Address]
Subject: Re: a souls "intent" probably speaks louder than it's... |
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You know what they say about 'old' souls, they hang around on earth for so
long cuz they're slow! :)
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Date: February 23, 2022 at 12:18:32
From: Nevada, [DNS_Address]
Subject: ...they probably hang out more for the "drama"... |
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...it's an incredible temptation that's hard to resist.
It's my understanding that earth is considered a great
learning opportunity for "souls" that don't always exist
in the higher realms.
It also has a lot more "quicksand" than other realms,
hence our tendency to get "stuck" in the drama so often.
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Date: February 23, 2022 at 10:09:36
From: shadow, [DNS_Address]
Subject: Re: ...what "was" your intention Shadow? |
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Stating it clearly to anyone whose natural orientation
might resonate, receive it as supportive, feel drawn to
consider it. Not to initiate a debate.
If that's not you...feel free to move on...
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Date: February 23, 2022 at 10:38:01
From: Nevada, [DNS_Address]
Subject: ...Not to initiate a debate... had me fooled Shadow |
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...posting it on "two" boards and adding a "kicker"
today seems like the idea of a "debate" wasn't exactly
on your back burner.
Politicizing it by bringing in Trump supporters was a
nice touch.
Bringing in the relative standing between old souls and
new souls was icing on the cake.
Using "spiritually" to demean nearly half the current
population of the United States is probably not a very
good strategy from God's perspective...
...and obviously not from mine.
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Date: February 23, 2022 at 11:12:41
From: shadow, [DNS_Address]
Subject: Well then, evidently that's not too hard to do... |
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...since you've spectacularly (read: intentionally)
managed to "miss" everything I said there...
Or hey, hold up...maybe you haven't!
You say..."Using 'spiritually' to demean nearly half the
current population of the United States is probably not a
very good strategy from God's perspective..."
I stand corrected! This at least gives the appearance of
your having grasped at least part of my intention in
posting what I did, even if you had to receive it in an
opposite-context manner...the rest, yikes, not so much...
And while it's odd to have to point this out to you: No,
Nevada, posting something on two boards because it falls
equally under both subjects does not signify an intention
of instigating a debate. Once again, you're projecting.
The harder you try to discredit all I'm pointing up, the
more elaborately you illustrate the very thing
yourself...
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Date: February 23, 2022 at 11:48:50
From: Nevada, [DNS_Address]
Subject: ...the simple point I'd like to make... |
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...those people who are raised in and support "fear
based" religions as you refer to them...
...are very often souls of immense power of wisdom and
love whose values you misjudge by not recognizing them
for the angels they are.
...while many of those that believe they are on the
straight and true spiritual path quite often
miscalculate their actual achievements along those
lines...
...to everyone's detriments including their own.
More simply stated, a wise Christian can often outpace
a spiritual seeker that hasn't fully tamed their own
ego sufficiently to rise to the next level.
I've seen it more than once in this life.
True spiritual seekers know many paths and respect all
of them...
...not just theirs.
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Date: February 23, 2022 at 12:19:28
From: shadow, [DNS_Address]
Subject: Re: ...the simple point I'd like to make... |
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Nevada, your overwhelming compulsion to condescend toward
me blinds you to so much... Once again...*as
always*...this compulsion is causing you to project a far
more limited context of understanding upon me than I
actually have...
When you say [editing ellipses]: "..those people who are
raised in and support 'fear based' religions as you refer
to them are very often souls of immense power of wisdom
and love whose values you misjudge by not recognizing
them for the angels they are..."...you are assuming that
I do not know them as such! Not so, Nevada. In fact,
exactly wrong.
I know far better than you imagine that each and every
human being, no matter anyone's perception of their "soul
age," level of soulgrowth integration, personal biases of
belief, reality mindset, spiritual orientation, anything
that could be put into words about their present nature,
values and character, is indeed *a soul of immense power
of wisdom and love,* and I will never see any of them as
any less than angels walking the Earth -- because that is
my core belief about humanity, all inclusively.
I also know the smell and spell of fear wherever it
exists, unconsciously under the tables of those incarnate
angel's psyches or operating overtly and graphically,
shaping their thoughts, values and beliefs toward all
that divides and separates, supports exclusivity instead
of inclusion, warring imaginings of superiority based on
religion, race/ethnicity, financial "worth"...all egoic
territories of intense challenge we all must navigate,
meant to be risen above and into deeper integration and
living of that same *immensely powerful wisdom of love*
that *they truly Are*...or the real-ization of angelic
nature within human form...
"...while many of those that believe they are on the
straight and true spiritual path quite often miscalculate
their actual achievements along those lines to everyone's
detriment including their own. More simply stated, a wise
Christian can often outpace a spiritual seeker that
hasn't fully tamed their own ego sufficiently to rise to
the next level." Here you are directly characterizing
(rather than meaning so generally) me as per your
metaphor, here, to again try to invalidate what I
shared...
"True spiritual seekers know many paths and respect all
of them...not just theirs." Thank you once again for
echoing the very point I posted to make...
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Date: February 23, 2022 at 13:47:10
From: Nevada, [DNS_Address]
Subject: ...if "my" points were always "your" points Shadow... |
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why didn't you just post them in the first place
instead of a post that spiritually disenfranchised most
of Christian America?
Glad we are apparently on the same page. Fortunately
for us, Creators' formula for our evolution is pretty
comprehensive when it comes to filling in our
individual weak areas.
Pretty amazing actually.
This was actually one of your better posts...
thanks, Lee
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Date: February 23, 2022 at 14:16:20
From: shadow, [DNS_Address]
Subject: Re: ...if "my" points were always "your" points... |
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Nevada...omg, you poor man, please stop pretending to
converse with me and go have some funning fun, willya?
Unbelievable...
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Date: February 23, 2022 at 14:31:23
From: Nevada, [DNS_Address]
Subject: ...worlds' shortest honeymoon? |
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...didn't see that coming.
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Date: February 23, 2022 at 14:57:55
From: shadow, [DNS_Address]
Subject: Re: ...worlds' shortest honeymoon? |
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That's because keeping your sealion bouncyball bouncing
properly off your nose takes too much of your energy to see
what's right before your eyes, hon...
Wakie wakie...funfunfun...find some before ya hurt your
neck keeping that thing bouncing...
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Date: February 22, 2022 at 07:09:37
From: chaskuchar@stcharlesmo, [DNS_Address]
Subject: i tead your other post but it isn't at all compatible with catholic pr |
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practice and theology. and i don't understand him
because i don't know much about evangelicals. i jist go
to church each day to recieve the body of Christ.
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Date: February 22, 2022 at 07:27:44
From: shadow, [DNS_Address]
Subject: Re: i tead your other post but it isn't at all compatible with... |
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Dear charlie, the days of my imagining there could be any
kind of connective, relatable dialogue between you and I
around our respective spiritual realities are now long
gone... In earliest years of this site, your love for
Christ, and my own love for Christ, felt like it might
hold some substantive common ground...because the way you
expressed it here gave me the impression there might be
"room," within your ways of understanding/experiencing
the Divine for my own, even though it's very different...
As time has gone on, however, I've realized that was
simply a projection on my part. For me, whether it's
catholic dogma or fundamentalist, organzed Christianity
has its roots in 3rd-century Nicaea and Constantine who
constructed the present bible, human men of a mind to
control its populace, not of a mind to receive &
translate that which was truly sacred, of Yeshua and his
teachings... That's why I tend to use the term Biblicans
for organized Christians, because they hold the book
those men wrote, & what it says, as the focus of their
practice, rather than the living Infinite Love for All
within their own hearts, put there by the Divine, and how
to go about living it...
There have been times when my own moral compass, in its
outrage over seeing how women/birth control/abortion are
seen by your religion (as well as many other elements of
it), have catalyzed some very unkind things coming out my
fingers toward you, for which I'd like to formally
apologize for here. We can only follow what our own
hearts tell us is *spiritual truth,* and the purity of
your devotion to your own is clear...
Love to you...
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Date: February 22, 2022 at 15:30:28
From: chaskuchar@stcharlesmo, [DNS_Address]
Subject: thank you shadow |
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i am paying attention to messages i think are true.
Jesus said He would keep us informed in scripture. we
don't have long to wait for the truth, blessings
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Date: February 22, 2022 at 16:04:50
From: ryan, [DNS_Address]
Subject: Re: thank you shadow |
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ayep, we'll all be dead soon enough...
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Date: February 22, 2022 at 18:23:50
From: chaskuchar@stcharlesmo, [DNS_Address]
Subject: not my way of thinking |
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scripture says we will become young again and reepopulate
the world
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Date: February 22, 2022 at 23:42:26
From: ryan, [DNS_Address]
Subject: Re: not my way of thinking |
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scripture also says most of us will die and keep on dreaming...
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Date: February 23, 2022 at 08:40:56
From: Nevada, [DNS_Address]
Subject: scripture also says most of us will die and keep on dreaming... |
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...do you have a link for that ryan, or did you just make
it up?
...what I'm hearing is that when we die we "wake up" from
the dream we're currently living.
Do you know differently?
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Date: February 23, 2022 at 10:44:46
From: ryan, [DNS_Address]
Subject: Re: scripture also says most of us will die and keep on dreaming... |
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