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From: Akira, [DNS_Address]
Subject: Other Gods Born to Virgins on December 25 Before Jesus Christ
URL: https://gsgriffin.com/2016/12/08/other-gods-born-to-virgins-on-december-25-before-jesus-christ/
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OTHER GODS BORN TO VIRGINS ON DECEMBER 25 BEFORE JESUS CHRIST Posted on December 8, 2016 by Garrett S. Griffin under Religion There are common themes in ancient religion that make one wonder if Christianity was not the one exception to the rule that societies tend to adopt beliefs, stories, and traditions from one another. True, it’s not always clear whether common themes are a testament to the human exchange of ideas or to the universal imagination of early human thought (parallels may exist between religions on entirely different continents, for example, but that does not necessarily mean one influenced another). But what is clear is where certain ideas in human history did not originate. Long before Yahweh and Jesus Christ, many religions had gods who were born in strange, miraculous ways, at times to virgins, who came to earth, and (though these are not the focus of this article) performed miracles, taught about judgement and the afterlife, were killed, reborn, and ascended into heaven. True, these stories are different from those of Christ, but the common archetypes in cultures in close proximity to Palestine suggest pagan influences on the biblical story of Christ’s birth. For example, December 25 was an important birthday for many human gods. Most Christians understand Christ was not actually born on this date (biblical scholars believe he was born in the spring, because the Bible mentions shepherds in the fields at the time of his birth). The idea that Christ was born on December 25 doesn’t appear in the historical record until the fourth century A.D.; the earliest Christian writers, such as Origen, Tertullian, Irenaeus, and the gospel authors, are silent on the subject. Late December, the time of the winter solstice (in the Northern Hemisphere, the shortest day and longest night of the year), was full of pagan European celebrations. The Roman Empire declared December 25 a holiday to celebrate the birth of their adopted Syrian god Sol Invictus in 274 A.D. Some 50 years later, Roman Emperor Constantine officially adopted December 25 as the day for celebrating Christ’s birth. Before 1,000 B.C. we have the following gods or demigods born on December 25: Horus, Osiris, and Attis. Before 200 B.C. we have Mithra, Heracles, Dionysus, Tammuz, Adonis, and others (see All About Adam and Eve, by Richard Gillooly). Some of these characters, you will see below, were also born to virgins. Interestingly, in ancient mythology, many gods are born to women with names derived from “Ma,” meaning mother: Myrrha in Syrian myth, Maia in Greek myth, Maya in Hindu, Mary in Hebrew. A god or demigod’s birth was often accompanied by incredible sights and came about through the actions of another god. John D. Keyser writes, We learn, from classical authors, that the notion of the gods visiting mortal women and becoming fathers of their children was commonly entertained throughout the near East in Greek and Roman times… ‘The gods have lived on earth in the likeness of men’ was a common saying among ancient pagans, and supernatural events were believed in as explanations of the god’s arrival upon earth in human guise. Stars, meteors, and heavenly lights allegedly signaled the birth of many man-gods, including Christ, Yu, Lao-tzu, various Roman Caesars, and Buddha (see Gillooly). This parallels the strange and fantastic events that surround the births of purely mythological figures, such as Osiris in Syria, Trinity in Egypt, and Mithra in Persia. But nothing was more spectacular than virgin birth. Virgin birth, and a reverence and obsession with virginity, was a common theme in ancient religions before the time of Christ and near where Christianity originated (see “The Ancient Beginnings of the Virgin Birth Myth,” by Keyser). It marked the child as special, often divine. Two thousand years before Christ, the virgin Egyptian queen Mut-em-ua gave birth to Pharaoh Amenkept III. Mut-em-ua had been told she was with child by the god Taht, and the god Kneph impregnated her by holding a cross, the symbol of life, to her mouth. Amenkept’s birth was celebrated by the gods and by three kings, who offered him gifts. Ra, the Egyptian sun god, was supposedly born of a virgin, Net. Horus was the son of the virgin mother Isis. In Egypt, and in other places such as Assyria, Greece, Cyprus, and Carthage, a mythological virgin mother and her child was often a popular subject of art and sculpture. Attis, a Phrygian-Greek vegetation god, was born of the virgin Nana. By one tradition, Dionysus, a Greek character half god and half human, was the son of Zeus, born to the virgin Persephone. Persephone also supposedly birthed Jason, a character with no father, human or divine. Perseus was born to a mortal woman named Danae, and fathered by Zeus. Zeus also slept with a mortal woman (though daughter of a nymph) named Io, and they had a son and a daughter. He slept with the mortal Leda, who gave birth (hatched, actually) Helen of Troy and other offspring. Even Plato in Greece was said by some to have been born to a virgin, Perictione, and fathered by the god Apollo, who gave warning to Ariston, Perictione’s husband-to-be. Some followers of Buddha Gautama decided he was born to the virgin Maya by divine decree. Genghis Khan was supposedly born to a virgin seeded by a great miraculous light. The founder of the Chinese Empire, Fo-Hi, was born after a woman (not necessarily a virgin) ate a flower or red fruit. The river Ho (Korea) gave birth to a son when seeded by the sun. Zeus, in snake form, impregnated the mother of Alexander the Great. Krishna was born to the virgin Devaka. In Rome, Mercury was born to the virgin Maia, Romulus to the virgin Rhea Sylvia (see “An Old Story,” Chapman Cohen). Though not a virgin birth story, Augustus Caesar was supposedly born when Apollo slept with a mortal woman named Atia, and was later called a “savior” and the “Son of God,” whose birthday was celebrated — a birthday that “marked for the world the beginning of good tidings through his coming,” to quote the Romans (see How Jesus Became God, Bart Ehrman). The Persian god Mithra was made the “Protector of the Empire” by the Romans in 307 AD, right before Christianity was declared the official religion. Some versions of Mithra’s story, predating Christianity, make him the son of a human virgin. His birth, on December 25, was seen by shepherds and Magi, who brought gifts to a cave, the place of his birth (see Godless, by former pastor Dan Barker)." |
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From: snodrop, [DNS_Address]
Subject: Re: Other Gods Born to Virgins on December 25 Before Jesus Christ
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All these astro-theologic "religions" are based on the same premise and Christianity just followed the same dictates. Sirius (the star of the East) on the 24th of Dec would align with the 3 kings (3 stars) and point to the sunrise on the 25th (the birth of the god's sun) at the winter's solstice. The 3 kings FOLLOW the star of the east in order to follow the sunrise. That was the birth of the sun (son). Mary is from the constellation Virgo (virgin) and the ancient glyph for Virgo is the altered "M"...hence various "virgin birth mothers" have names that start with it. Mary,(mother of Jesus) Myrra (Adonis's mother) Maya (Buddah's mother) etc. Virgo also means "House of Bread"...and the representation of Virgo is a virgin holding a sheath of wheat which represents August/September the time of harvest. Bethlehem literally translates to House of Bread, which is the symbol for the constellation Virgo. All of these "religions" are based on sun gods and what the ancients saw in the sky...not the earth. Christianity will fade out as all religions eventually do and replaced with new ones...the myths will continue and the stories and parables of the future will probably remain loosely based on these ancient parameters. |
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From: Eve, [DNS_Address]
Subject: Re: Other Gods Born to Virgins on December 25 Before Jesus Christ
URL: https://multimedia-english.com/print/preview/christmas-in-heaven-stars-mystery-354
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link for some of that here... https://multimedia-english.com/print/preview/christmas-in-heaven-stars-mystery-354 As far as fading we are near the end when all errors have manifested and come to and end...of which testimony can be seen by the dire state of the environment and lack of care of the inhabitants with dominion and so much more like the weapons man has made to destroy himself with are so many it's a ticking time bomb....= Thorns and thistles nothingness gardening. |
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From: Johnl, [DNS_Address]
Subject: Re: Other Gods Born to Virgins on December 25 Before Jesus Christ
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Eve, thanks for the information about signs in the stars. It reminded me of this passage in Luke 21 25) And there shall be signs in the sun, and in the moon, and in the stars; and upon the earth distress of nations, with perplexity; the sea and the waves roaring; 26) Men’s hearts failing them for fear, and for looking after those things which are coming on the earth: for the powers of heaven shall be shaken. 27) And then shall they see the Son of man coming in a cloud with power and great glory. 28) And when these things begin to come to pass, then look up, and lift up your heads; for your redemption draweth nigh. ------------------ Apparently, men on earth will try to look at the stars to see what the future will be. One thing about signs in the stars, is that they can be mis- interpreted. But one thing that is certain, is that when Jesus comes “in a cloud with power and great glory…then look up and lift up your heads for your redemption draweth nigh.” |
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From: Akira, [DNS_Address]
Subject: also before Christ came Dionysus was ‘first-born,’ ‘Savior’ & ‘Father
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Dionysus: Born of a Virgin on December 25th, Killed and Resurrected after Three Days by D.M. Murdock/Acharya S (RIP) Disk with Dionysus and 11 signs of the zodiac; 4th cent. BCE; Brindisi, Italy The Greek god of wine, Dionysus or Bacchus, also called Iacchus, has been depicted as having been born of a virgin mother on December 25th; performing miracles such as changing water into wine; appearing surrounded by or one of 12 figures; bearing epithets such as “Father” and “Savior”; dying; resurrecting after three days; and ascending into heaven. Dionysus shares the following attributes in common with the Christ character as found in the New Testament and Christian tradition. Dionysus was born of a virgin on “December 25th” or the winter solstice. He is the son of the heavenly Father. As the Holy Child, Bacchus was placed in a cradle/crib/manger “among beasts.” Dionysus was a traveling teacher who performed miracles. He was the God of the Vine, and turned water into wine. Dionysus rode in a “triumphal procession” on an ass. He was a sacred king killed and eaten in an eucharistic ritual for fecundity and purification. The god traveled into the underworld to rescue his loved one, arising from the land of the dead after three days. Dionysus rose from the dead on March 25th and ascended into heaven. Bacchus was deemed “Father,” “Liberator” and “Savior.” Dionysus was considered the “Only Begotten Son,” “King of Kings,” “God of Gods,” “Sin Bearer,” “Redeemer,” “Anointed One” and the “Alpha and Omega.” He was identified with the Ram or Lamb. His sacrificial title of “Dendrites” or “Young Man of the Tree” indicates he was hung on a tree or crucified. “Early Christian art is rich with Dionysiac associations, whether in boisterous representations of agape feasting, in the miracle of water-into-wine at Cana, in wine and vine motifs alluding to the Eucharaist, and most markedly…in the use of Dionysiac facial traits for representations of Christ.” —Dr. Thomas F. Mathews, The Clash of the Gods, 45 Dionysus as the Sun In studying religion and mythology, it is wise at to keep in mind that in the ancient world many gods were confounded and compounded, deliberately or otherwise. Some were even considered interchangeable, such as the Egyptian gods Osiris, Horus and Ra. In this regard, ancient Greek historian Plutarch (35, 364E) states, “Osiris is identical with Dionysus,” the Greek son of God. Dionysus, also known as Bacchus or Iacchus, is likewise identified with the god Aion and referred to as “Zeus Sabazius” in other traditions. (Graves, R., 335) Hence, we would expect him to share at least some of all these gods’ attributes, including being born of a virgin at the winter solstice (Aion), and dying and rising from the dead (Osiris). “Bacchus, Apollo, the Sun, are one deity.” Moreover, in Seven Books Against the Heathen (3.33), early Christian writer Arnobius (284-305) remarks that the Pagans “maintain that Bacchus, Apollo, the Sun, are one deity” and “the sun is also Bacchus and Apollo.” (Roberts, VI, 472-3) We would expect, therefore, Dionysus’s attributes to reflect solar mythology as well. Apollo riding in his sun chariot Dionysus riding a quadriga chariot Dionysus returns from India riding a quadriga chariot Mosaic pavement, 3rd cent. ad/ce Sousse, Tunisia (Patrick Hunt) December 25th/Winter Solstice As with Jesus, December 25th and January 6th are both traditional birth dates in the Dionysian myth and simply represent the period of the winter solstice. Indeed, the winter-solstice date of the Greek sun and wine god Dionysus was originally recognized in early January but was eventually placed on December 25th, as related by ancient Latin writer Macrobius (c. 400 AD/CE). Regardless, the effect is the same: The winter sun god is born around this time, when the shortest day of the year begins to become longer. “Macrobius transfers this feast to the day of the winter solstice, December 25.” The ancient Church father Epiphanius (4th cent. ) discussed the birth of the god Aion, son of the Greek goddess Persephone or Kore (“Maiden”), at the time of the winter solstice. In this regard, Christian theologian Rev. Dr. Hugh Rahner (139-140) remarks: We know that Aion was at this time beginning to be regarded as identical with Helios and Helios with Dionysus…because [according to Macrobius] Dionysus was the symbol of the sun… He is made to appear small at the time of the winter solstice, when upon a certain day the Egyptians take him out of the crypt, because on this the shortest day of the year it is as though he were a little child…. Macrobius transfers [this feast] to the day of the winter solstice, December 25. Dionysus is thus equivalent to Aion and was also said to have been born of Persephone, the virgin maiden. Esteemed mythologist Joseph Campbell (MI, 34) confirms this “celebration of the birth of the year-god Aion to the virgin Goddess Kore,” the latter of whom he calls “a Hellenized transformation of Isis,” the Egyptian mother goddess who was likewise called the “Great Virgin” in inscriptions predating the Christian era by centuries.[1] Virgin Birth According to the most common tradition, Dionysus was the son of the god Zeus and the mortal woman Semele. In the Cretan version of the same story, which the pre-Christian Greek historian Diodorus Siculus follows, Dionysus was the son of Zeus and Persephone, the daughter of Demeter also called Kore, who is styled a “virgin goddess.” In the common myth about the birth of Dionysus/Bacchus, Semele is mysteriously impregnated by one of Zeus’s bolts of lightning–an obvious miraculous/virgin conception. Semele, Zeus and the divine child Bacchus Semele immolated by the sky-god father-figure Zeus, who takes the divine child Bacchus (Bernard Salomon, Metamorphose figurée, 1557) Concerning Dionysus’s epithet “twice begotten,” in the third century Church father Minucius Felix (Commodius, XII) remarked to his Pagan audience: Ye yourselves say that Father Liber was assuredly twice begotten. First of all he was born in India of Proserphine [Persephone] and Jupiter [Zeus]… Again, restored from his death, in another womb Semele conceived him again of Jupiter… (Roberts, IV, 205) “The virgin conceived the ever-dying, ever-living god of bread and wine, Dionysus.” In another account, Jupiter/Zeus gives Dionysus’s torn-up heart in a drink to Semele, who becomes pregnant with the “twice born” god this way, again a miraculous or “virgin” birth. Indeed, Joseph Campbell explicitly calls Semele a “virgin”: While the maiden goddess sat there, peacefully weaving a mantle on which there was to be a representation of the universe, her mother contrived that Zeus should learn of her presence; he approached her in the form of an immense snake. And the virgin conceived the ever-dying, ever-living god of bread and wine, Dionysus, who was born and nurtured in that cave, torn to death as a babe and resurrected… (Campbell, MG, 4.27) This same direct appellation is used by Cambridge professor and anthropologist Sir Dr. Edmund Ronald Leach: Dionysus, son of Zeus, is born of a mortal virgin, Semele, who later became immortalized through the intervention of her divine son; Jesus, son of God, is born of a mortal virgin, Mary… such stories can be duplicated over and over again. (Hugh-Jones, 108) Using the scholarly Greek term parthenos, meaning “virgin,” in The Cult of the Divine Birth in Ancient Greece (95) Dr. Marguerite Rigoglioso concludes: “Semele was also likely a holy parthenos by virtue of the fact that she gave birth to Dionysus via her union with Zeus (Hesiod, Theogony 940).” These learned individuals had reason to consider Dionysus’s mother a virgin, as, again, he was also said to have been born of Persephone/Kore, whom, once more from Epiphanius, was herself deemed a “virgin,” or parthenos. In this regard, professor emeritus of Classics at the University of Pennsylvania Dr. Donald White (183) says, “As a title ‘Parthenos’ was appropriate to both Demeter and Persephone…” The fact that Persephone is associated with parthenogenesis, the scholarly term for “virgin birth,” lends credence to the notion that Dionysus was virgin-born. As related further by Rigoglioso in Virgin Mother Goddesses of Antiquity (111): Persephone’s connection with the parthenogenetic pomegranate is attested in text and iconography. In speaking directly about the Eleusinian Mysteries, Clement of Alexandria (Exhortation to the Greeks 2:16) informs us that the pomegranate tree was believed to have sprung from the drops of the blood of Dionysus… Although Dionysus is depicted as being the product of a “rape” by Zeus, the story is little different from the impregnation of the Virgin Mary by Yahweh without her consent, especially in consideration of the identification of Dionysus’s very blood with parthenogenesis. In this regard, Rigoglioso also states, “I contend that Persephone’s eating of the pomegranate was the magical action that instigated her ability to conceive parthenogenetically.” Also, in the museum in Naples has been kept an ancient marble urn showing the birth/nativity of Dionysus, with two groups of three figures on either side of the god Mercury, who is holding the divine baby, and a female figure who is receiving him.[2] This depiction resembles the gospel story of “wise men” or dignitaries, traditionally held to number three, approaching Joseph, the divine child and Mary. Miracles Dionysus holding a drinking cup, surrounded by grapes and vines. (Red- figure amphora by the Berlin Painter, c. 490-480 BCE; Vulci, Italy; Louvre, Paris) The miracles of Dionysus are legendary, as is his role as the god of wine, echoed in the later Christian story of Jesus multiplying the jars of wine at the wedding feast of Cana (Jn 2:1-9). Concerning this miracle, biblical scholar Dr. A.J. Mattill remarks: This story is really the Christian counterpart to the pagan legends of Dionysus, the Greek god of wine, who at his annual festival in his temple of Elis filled three empty kettles with wine-no water needed! And on the fifth of January wine instead of water gushed from his temple at Andros. If we believe Jesus’ miracle, why should we not believe Dionysus’s? (Leedom, 125) Dionysus’s miracle of changing water to wine is recounted in pre-Christian times by Diodorus (Library of History, 3.66.3). As the god of the vine, Dionysus is depicted in ancient texts as traveling around teaching agriculture, as well as doing various other miracles, such as in Homer’s The Iliad, dating to the 9th century BCE, and in The Bacchae of Euripides, the famous Greek playwright who lived around 480 to 406 BCE. “Dionysus’s blood is the wine of the sacrifice.” It is further interesting that the Communion as practiced today within Catholicism also had a place within the cult of Dionysus, as Campbell points out: Dionysus-Bacchus-Zagreus-or, in the older, Sumero-Babylonian myths, Dumuzi-absu, Tammuz-…whose blood, in this chalice to be drunk, is the pagan prototype of the wine of the sacrifice of the Mass, which is transubstantiated by the words of consecration into the blood of the Son of the Virgin. (Campbell, MG, 4.23) Epithets In an Orphic hymn, Phanes-Dionysus is styled by the Greek title Protogonos or “first-born” of Zeus, also translated at times as “only-begotten son,” although the term Monogenes would be more appropriately rendered as the latter. He is also called “Soter” or “Savior” in various inscriptions, including a bronze coin from the Thracian city of Maroneia dating to circa 400-350 BCE.[3] Like Jesus in his aspect as the Father, Dionysus is called Pater, or “father” in Greek. “Dionysus is ‘first-born,’ ‘Savior’ and ‘Father.'” The title “King of Kings” and other epithets may reflect Dionysus’s kinship with Osiris: During the late 18th to early 19th dynasties (c. 1300 BCE), Osiris’s epithets included, “the king of eternity, the lord of everlastingness, who traverseth millions of years in the duration of his life, the firstborn son of the womb of Nut, begotten of Seb, the prince of gods and men, the god of gods, the king of kings, the lord of lords, the prince of princes, the governor of the world whose existence is for everlasting.” (Budge, liii) Death/Resurrection Dionysus’s death and resurrection were famous in ancient times, so much so that Christian father Origen (c. 184-c. 254) felt the need to address them in his Contra Celsus (IV, XVI-XVII), comparing them unfavorably, of course, to those of Christ. By Origen’s time, these Dionysian mysteries had already been celebrated for centuries. Dionysus/Bacchus’s resurrection or revival after having been torn to pieces or otherwise killed earned him the epithet of “twice born.” ‘[S]cene in the underworld. Dionysos mounting a chariot is about to leave his mother, Semele, and ascend’ (Kerenyi, pl. 47) Moreover, it was said that Dionysus/Bacchus “slept three nights with Proserpine [Persephone],”[4] evidently referring to the god’s journey into the underworld to visit his mother. Like Jesus, the god is claimed also to have “ascended to heaven,” such as by Church father Justin Martyr (First Apology, 21; Roberts I, 170). Note that Dionysus is depicted here as an adult, rising out of the underworld after death, with a horse-driven chariot so typical of a sun god. One major astrotheological meaning of this motif is the sun’s entrance into and exit from the cave (womb) of the world at the winter solstice. Hence, in Dionysus we have yet another solar hero, born of a virgin on “December 25th” or the winter solstice, performing miracles and receiving divine epithets, being killed, giving his blood as a sacrifice, resurrecting from the dead after three days in Hades/Hell, and ascending into heaven. These motifs have all been claimed of the gospel figure of Jesus Christ since antiquity and have to do not with the adventures of a “historical” Jewish savior but with the ubiquitous solar mythos and ritual. |
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From: shadow, [DNS_Address]
Subject: Re: also before Christ came Dionysus was ‘first-born,’ ‘Savior’ &...
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Thank you, that’s the really juicy one my memory was spazzing on...lol... Again...there’s just so much, as per all these great sharing... |
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From: chaskuchar@stcharlesmo, [DNS_Address]
Subject: mary, mother of God
URL: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=F3EpHiA4hso&feature=youtu.be
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https://www.youtube.com/watch? v=F3EpHiA4hso&feature=youtu.be |
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From: shadow, [DNS_Address]
Subject: Re: mary, mother of God
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Charlie, I believe those in this film who are *seeing/experiencing* such profound communion with whomever they are, are having an entirely valid, sacred and amazing experience that is designed specifically for them by the Divine, to elevate and support each one's perfect, unique spiritual path in this world... ;) |
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From: chaskuchar@stcharlesmo, [DNS_Address]
Subject: Re: mary, mother of God
| watched the whole thing again. inspiring. chas |
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From: Dan, [DNS_Address]
Subject: Re: mary, mother of God
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You don't seem to realize that the hatred and divisions that spawned the genocide that the apparition warned about was occurring here in the US. Trump has promoted fear and hatred of black and brown people, Asians also. You miss the point of Mary's message there and in Fatima, in my opinion. Russia will not be able to help the world until after Putin is gone. |
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From: chaskuchar@stcharlesmo, [DNS_Address]
Subject: see what mary said to the seer on august 15th
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then read st michaels message from dec 30, 2020. compare that to what you have said. chas |
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From: Dan, [DNS_Address]
Subject: You are easily deceived
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Micheal's message is false. "what mary said to the seer on august 15th" 15th of what? which apparition? |
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From: Dan, [DNS_Address]
Subject: Re: You are easily deceived
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"what mary said to the seer on august 15th" I figured out what you you were referring to. So what is your point? I put out our nativity set every year. I always life my life in the spirit of what is said in that message. So What? |
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From: chaskuchar@stcharlesmo, [DNS_Address]
Subject: i was referring to what josefa said about next aug 15.
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this was from the recording i posted from youtube recorded on aug 15 in rwanda this year. chas |
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From: shadow, [DNS_Address]
Subject: Re: Other Gods Born to Virgins on December 25 Before Jesus Christ
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Thank you, snodrop... ;) So much material on this in our own awarenesses and in cyberprint, it's hard to know where to start to offer more... ;) Also, going deeper with the Virgo/Virgin archetype, the most ancient meaning of the word virgin means "sovereign unto herself," as in Already Whole...rather the opposite of how the male patriarchal machine hijacked and mischaracterized it to try and whitewash even the sanctity of human sexual conception, along with natural female power via the "original sin" meme, from any notion of Yeshua's appearance...and to imply that sexuality is innately sinful within human experience save for within the context of heterosexual marriage, if you don't want to "go to hell"... *eyeroll* Fortunately the memory of The Divine Mother and the organically spiritual eternal truths that existed long before Yeshua...and with whom he is a sacred partner...can never be invalidated... ;) |
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From: Johnl, [DNS_Address]
Subject: Re: Other Gods Born to Virgins on December 25 Before Jesus Christ
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My guess as to why there were 3-in-1 gods and virgin births that came before Christ’s birth to the virgin Mary, -- is that the fallen angels under Satan knew not only that God the creator was 3-in-1 (the Father-Son-Holy Spirit), but also the fallen angels also knew that it was pre-planned before the foundation of the world for Christ to be redeemer through virgin birth. (700 years before the virgin birth of Christ) “ Therefore the Lord Himself will give you a sign: The virgin will conceive and give birth to a son, and will call Him Immanuel ” ( Isaiah 7:14 ). 8) And all that dwell upon the earth shall worship [the anti-christ], whose names are not written in the book of life of the Lamb slain from the foundation of the world. Revelation 13:8 Note that the satanic 3-in-1 god – the dragon, the beast, and the false prophet -- gathered the world’s peoples to fight against Christ: 13) And I saw three unclean spirits like frogs come out of the mouth of the dragon, and out of the mouth of the beast, and out of the mouth of the false prophet. (Revelation 16:13) So whether before or after Christ’s birth, satan has counterfeit 3-in-1 gods to mesmerize the world’s population into worshipping satan, and fighting for him against the true God. |
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From: Akira, [DNS_Address]
Subject: Re: Other Gods Born to Virgins on December 25 Before Jesus Christ
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If Christ was so special, why did/do his followers celebrate his birthday on a know pagan holiday? That always struck me as odd. But I'm sure you'll come up with something. |
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From: Johnl, [DNS_Address]
Subject: Re: Other Gods Born to Virgins on December 25 Before Jesus Christ
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I personally do not think Christ’s birth was on Dec. 25th. However, the celebration of Christ’s birth helps to commemorate God in human form coming to earth to offer eternal salvation to the peoples of the world. There are other ideas of the church that I disagree with, and which are not part of scripture. The bible does not give a specific date for the birth of Christ. Another idea I disagree with is that priests have no choice about being married; they should be able to choose whether they marry or not, but in the RCC they are not able to choose marriage. On the other hand, many Protestant ministers are involved with adultery, divorces, etc. I’m just glad I never got into the ministry. Even though the Lord has led me to stay single, the Lord has also kept me from adultery and same-sex interests. |
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From: Eve, [DNS_Address]
Subject: Re: Other Gods Born to Virgins on December 25 Before Jesus Christ
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Not all of his followers celebrate such a thing...when I discovered the truth of it I stopped participating and that was almost 20 years ago...I do not belong nor have I ever been a member of an organized religion though I visited many so I understand what it is but I was never a group follower. When I found out and tried to say to ones who are groupies most of them did not care enough for real truth and would rather be pleasers of persons and continue the charade of teachings of men...not I. But before I sought and discovered the truth I was already becoming bored with pagan Christmas and it's heavy and tiresome fast paced pocket picking people pleasing corporation ritualistic parties....When I found out the truth I was like well thats why and said bye bye. Not without a lot of family after the flesh compromising to release myself but they finally let it go....That's the thing when one tries to release oneself from the bondage many there are who keep on insisting for the consumerisms rituals to be continued it's like trying to escape from Jaws to be free from the burden of all the festertivities. One may ask why do those who profess no belief in Christ and even exhibit hatred of him the first begotten of God in Genesis celebrate Christmas....even Jews....It's a social thing. If one is unsociable they are marked to become assimilated one way or another and fossilized customs are the main program of the fallen angel agenda ...I came to realize my faith does not revolve around pleasing people who are impossible to please anyways, it is far easier to please God than finicky people. |
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From: chaskuchar@stcharlesmo, [DNS_Address]
Subject: Christ was born while joseph and mary were getting enumerated
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for the census. scripture details a cold environment and there were no rooms at the inns because everyone was there for the census also. folks think scripture was made up for the birth of jesus but the shepherds were still alive when jesus was teaching and there are no reports of fraud at that time. therefore i believe what scripture said. and satan does not want you to believe the truth of jesus, his birth, his teaching or the faith he brought us. satan even tries to make us think he does not exist and we are simply an event in the cosmos. i like the God, Mary and Jesus story a lot better. the story makes sense. chas |
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From: Akira, [DNS_Address]
Subject: Re: Christ was born while joseph and mary were getting enumerated
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... which has nothing to do with explaining why the birth of your Jesus has always been celebrated on a pagan holiday. If Jesus is so important, you'd think his correct birthday would be mentioned somewhere in your scriptures or on a website somewhere so folks wouldn't keep celebrating that most blessed day on a pagan holiday. |
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From: Eve, [DNS_Address]
Subject: Re: Christ was born while joseph and mary were getting enumerated
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Birthday's after the flesh were not celebrated by the customs of the Hebrew tribes of yore and even if so it would be by the Hebrew calendar. For the most part birthdays are celebrated by the papal RCC solar with fake months Gregorian calendar this world follows that dictates the worlds commerce and days of worship, etc....Thus by that standard of calendars made by flesh we are ALL obliged in following the RCC :0( .... Birthday's as I see it are not commanded by the highest power of the universe to be celebrated as the Pharaoh's or Herod's was even so many of them are recorded and noted by the Hebrew calendar which is now also off sync because it merged with the Babylon calendar, Gregorian and others. It is not an iniquity to not observe birthdays. Though in this world it's the way we are measured, counted and branded by birthdays when the real birth will be the re-birthing and no one knows that day. It is taught to us to constantly recite and remember it mainly for subjugation purposes to the authorities like we are a branded and marked that way to provide taxes to the PTB of this world or a head count like in cattle. |
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From: shadow, [DNS_Address]
Subject: Re: Christ was born while joseph and mary were getting enumerated
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Pretty sure it was mostly Yule, the Winter Solstice and some say Saturnalia, that had to be Romanized, Christianized (i.e., decimated) once Constantine and his minions at Nicaea literally crafted the fear-based controlling dogma of their bible that all who profess that belief currently accept as God's actual Word... Their birth-of-Yeshua story had to be superimposed onto the natural power and flows of those seasonal/cultural/cyclical points folk celebrated in order to outlaw/suppress/disappear them over time...the result of which is that only those of us who remember their true, *organically sacred* nature, and who know that Yeshua the Christ himself would've had no issue w/them...lol...keep that truth alive... ;) |
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From: georg, [DNS_Address]
Subject: Re: Other Gods Born to Virgins on December 25 Before Jesus Christ
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Alexander Murray of History Today argues that the celebration of Christmas as the birth day of Jesus is based on a date of a pagan feast rather than historical analysis.[39] Saturnalia, the Roman feast for Saturn, was associated with the winter solstice. Saturnalia was held on 17 December of the Julian calendar and later expanded with festivities up through 23 December. The holiday was celebrated with a sacrifice at the Temple of Saturn and in the Roman Forum, as well as a public banquet, followed by private gift-giving, continual partying, and a carnival atmosphere that overturned Roman social norms. The Roman festival of Natalis Solis Invicti has also been suggested, since it was celebrated on December 25th and was associated with some prominent emperors.[40] It is likely that such a Christian feast was chosen for Christ's marked contrast and triumph over paganism; indeed, new converts who attempted to introduce pagan elements into the Christian celebrations were sharply rebuked.[41] |
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From: georg, [DNS_Address]
Subject: it is sad to see one so confused as you (NT)
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From: georg, [DNS_Address]
Subject: these are pagan idols made by those who worshipped the sun (NT)
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From: georg, [DNS_Address]
Subject: many now say that it is unlikely that Jesus was born in winter (NT)
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From: kay.so.or, [DNS_Address]
Subject: true, too cold for the sheep to be in the fields/etc
| years ago I read a whole analysis of what was happening at the 'supposed' 25th of dec, weatherwise, etc and their theory was that he was not born then at that date. Just like the whole 'santa claus' commercialization/etc has made this over the top event for so many. |
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From: georg, [DNS_Address]
Subject: commercialization of XMAS has destroy whatever goodness was there (NT)
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From: Eve, [DNS_Address]
Subject: Re: commercialization of XMAS has destroy whatever goodness was there...
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