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Date: February 18, 2023 at 19:30:55
From: etc., [DNS_Address]
Subject: Mr. Bopp |
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My post on National today:
Date: February 18, 2023 at 13:06:40
From: etc.
Subject: Lying revealed
URL: https://www.pbs.org/newshour/amp/show/lawsuit-filing-shows-fox- hosts-didnt-believe-election-fraud-lies-they-pushed-on-tv
“As revealed in the report sourced, and in numerous news entities, Fox and their commentators lied to the public and they knew they were lying. But from their own statements, they lied because they knew their viewership would leave them if they didn’t. Their viewership wanted lies not truth.
Fox viewers are not stupid people as some have implied but many have
been duped. The others are people who love the idea of being dishonest
to win. Corrupt people who relish a corrupt leadership, a corrupt
government, all with corrupted morals. They like being bad and getting
away with it.
Sadly this is the commentary of our day. When these supporters of Fox
Lies are challenged, they cannot refer to solid proof for their beliefs, so
they attack verbally and as is seen so often now, not only use gutter
language but as seen by those connected with Dominion, they and their
families’ very lives are threatened. This has been seen with attacks on
government officials and their families also, officials who have stood up
against the lies embraced by Fox and its viewers.
This is our world now. Some still fight against the lies. And these people
are bullied and attacked. Where will it end? It depends who wins. If those
who have stood up against the lies and those who attack win, we have a
chance to bring peace between people again. If the liars and the cheaters
win, it will never end. In my opinion…”
Referring to this post above I now direct you to what Lee and Karen did today…they both lied about Akira’s posts to me. Karen posted “Akira’s polite post” and Lee pointed his finger at Shadow and I as both using potty mouths while it was Akira who posted “fuck off you sleazy lying dirtbag” amongst other scattering of swear words. Lying blatantly, Lee and Karen hope not only to convince other posters to believe their lies, but also have others just choose to stand with them in their lies. Fox has taught this process well.
I am not thin skinned and can take their abusive words and even their lying. But as we have experienced these last few years, and have proof of in recent days’ news, it is a dangerous premise to let lying go without standing up to it. It has led all sorts of people to believe that they can lie with impunity. And that is not, cannot be true or it will demoralize everyone and there will not be a safe place left for truth.
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Date: February 18, 2023 at 20:08:26
From: Nevada, [DNS_Address]
Subject: one man's "lies" are another man's Bible... |
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...truth lies in the mind of the "beholder"...
We live in a society where it is nearly impossible to separate fact from fiction...
...for instance, our own government, while berating what they call a Chinese spy satellite, choose to "ignore" that "we" spend more money on war and espionage than any other country in the world. We do it because we can and we can also afford to.
We choose, as a nation, to "live" a lie while condemning everyone else for what we long ago institutionalized.
This being said, since everyone does lie, accusing others of lying is closer to deflection than to "truth" defending.
Taken to the extreme that it has on EB is even closer to classic bullying.
It's probably time to cut the lying charade and concentrate on being more respectful of our fellow posters, rather we agree with them or not.
I don't care if anyone believes my "lies" or not...
...I just want the right to be heard with out the bullying attacks or hostility that has replaced what was once a more academic discussion forum.
Akira has a right to post and be heard.
Nobody has a right to destroy that privilege ryan has afforded us on his buck.
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Date: February 18, 2023 at 20:35:48
From: ryan, [DNS_Address]
Subject: Re: one man's "lies" are another man's Bible... |
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no, truth is truth...it is objective, not subjective...sure, Akira has a right to post and be heard, but others have a right to call her on bs if that's what they see, and then she can defend her position...this place used to be more of an academic discussion forum, i agree...but that was because there was participation by a much greater pool of critical thinkers who were not swayed by the type of bs we constantly hear these days...and folks weren't so thin-skinned and quick to take offense when challenged...remember liaho for god's sake? many have passed on, some have just left...life goes on and we work with what we have...you seem to not be able to accept the reality of the present, wishing it was something you imagine it should be in your mind...just chill out and quit yer damn whining...i remember dona used to not like that term...
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Date: February 18, 2023 at 20:59:05
From: Nevada, [DNS_Address]
Subject: Re: one man's "lies" are another man's Bible... |
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That was one of your best posts I've seen in some time ryan.
I do have an observation to add to your comments. It's regrettably true we have lost many great posters over the years including those that passed over to those that just moved on to other forums.
I suspect the bigger problem is that we never figured out how to become viable for "new" posters or ideas. We encouraged more of "cliches" and less of an opportunity for new blood and energy to join us.
I'd like to see us work together to expand our base, not destroy it as we seem to be doing more and more these days.
I'm getting older and probably won't be around that much longer. When I started KVMR community radio in Nevada City nearly 45 years ago, the average participants age was about 33. 45 years later, it still is and I suspect it will be as fresh and energetic when it reaches 50 as it was the day it first hit the airwaves in 1978.
I'd love to see that here, and I'd especially like you to bring akira back on board now so we can all work "together" rather than "against" each other...
...please?
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Date: February 18, 2023 at 22:46:01
From: ryan, [DNS_Address]
Subject: Re: one man's "lies" are another man's Bible... |
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i've never looked for new posters...that's why i block google from tracking what goes on here...like i said, these boards were for the old syzygy gang...i had my own karma there to pay for and these boards were my attempt to do that...a few people have found these boards and joined in, but mostly it is what is left of the old crew...not sure akira was ever on syzygy...the main focus of these boards was always earthquakes and other earthly phenomena...politics were only a sidebar...but with bushco, and and the rump everyone has become so opinionated, mostly about things they know little if any of, and clanish, and incapable of critical thinking...it's a reflection of the times...
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Date: February 18, 2023 at 23:06:53
From: Nevada, [DNS_Address]
Subject: ...it's a reflection of the times...? |
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...when I started KVMR I wanted it to be the reflection of times to come as much if not more than the times that were.
There were very few minorities or women in broadcasting in 1978 and I changed that the first day of broadcasting.
It took America 20 years to catch up...
...and I did that in a redneck community of under 5,000 people.
I looked for new broadcasters that wanted to grow and take their lives and communities to the next level. I certainly respect the past and Berkland was one of my favorite thinkers of the time, but it surprises me you never wanted "this" moment to thrive and grow into the next generation.
I've heard you mention it, never took you serious. For what it's worth, I've always stayed on EB to hone my own pitiful skills of communication to a higher level. I've never regretted it...
...even if I've failed more than I've succeeded...
...I thank you and the rest of EBer's for that.
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Date: February 18, 2023 at 23:02:13
From: etc., [DNS_Address]
Subject: Re: one man's "lies" are another man's Bible... |
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I was on syzygy during its last year. Living in earthquake country and living through numerous mid sized earthquakes , I wanted to be able to talk with others interested in quakes. It was a while before I stumbled on earthboppin. It was like finding old friends. Living in Tehachapi, we appreciate earthquake signs and warnings.
I think you must have more than paid any karma through these years Ryan, and then some :)
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Date: February 18, 2023 at 20:24:29
From: etc., [DNS_Address]
Subject: Lies have serious consequences |
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It is a tool to say lies don’t matter, a way of diluting truth by pretending to be open. Lies on Fox have created people who hate and act out violence on others and make good people afraid to live with their families in their houses because of nasty and ugly violent threats. This is what the Dominion case in the courts is revealing. They are asking the court and the laws of the land to bring justice to those who have spread these lies on the airwaves across our country. You cannot spin this successfully. Too many have suffered. And lies have consequences.
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Date: February 18, 2023 at 20:34:16
From: Nevada, [DNS_Address]
Subject: Re: Lies have serious consequences... Ukraine comes to mind |
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...some lies have more victims than others...
...and that's just the truth etc.
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Date: February 18, 2023 at 19:59:58
From: Karen, [DNS_Address]
Subject: Re: Mr. Bopp |
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Date: February 18, 2023 at 20:04:02
From: ryan, [DNS_Address]
Subject: Re: Mr. Bopp |
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but they can be based on lies...and dangerous when wrong...so to be called out on them is not an attack usually, it is trying to set the record straight...and of course it is frustrating that when one is shown the truth, and the falsehood of their opinion, it keeps getting thrown back in the mix, like it is something that should be considered...this happens over and over on these boards...and you are often in the mix of it all...
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Date: February 18, 2023 at 20:07:56
From: Karen, [DNS_Address]
Subject: Re: Mr. Bopp |
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It’s my opinion that her posts against those of us on the right are mostly passive aggressive. I wouldn’t expect u to see them that way since you totally support them.
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Date: February 18, 2023 at 20:23:56
From: ryan, [DNS_Address]
Subject: Re: Mr. Bopp |
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your post is passive aggressive...lol...c'mon, it's a forum ...
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Date: February 18, 2023 at 20:30:16
From: Nevada, [DNS_Address]
Subject: your post is passive aggressive...lol...c'mon, it's a forum ... |
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...you gotta be kidding ryan...
...if you think karen's post was passive aggressive you really don't have a clue.
c'mon, it's not a forum, it's a war zone.
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Date: February 18, 2023 at 20:37:12
From: ryan, [DNS_Address]
Subject: Re: your post is passive aggressive...lol...c'mon, it's a forum ... |
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i suggest you quit fighting and surrender then...
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Date: February 18, 2023 at 21:02:05
From: Nevada, [DNS_Address]
Subject: i suggest you quit fighting and surrender then... |
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...it's also an incredible learning experience although sometimes the "tuition" is almost out of reach.
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Date: February 18, 2023 at 20:19:42
From: Nevada, [DNS_Address]
Subject: ...those comments go way past "passive aggressive"... |
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...they are hurtful and violent...
...and have no place let alone value in an open academic forum such as EB claims to represent.
I have tolerated them from others in the past because I wanted to be the "adult" and rise above the nonsense.
Such an attitude was wrong and only let a bad situation become much worse.
Both etc and shadow need to learn more control in choosing how they will use their substantial language skills on these pages.
Someone once said "words can kill".
Pretty sure that was not an exaggeration and we need to be more careful in how we choose to use them on each other.
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Date: February 18, 2023 at 20:54:31
From: etc., [DNS_Address]
Subject: Re: ...those comments go way past "passive aggressive"... |
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Boy, you better have some proof of “hurtful and violent” Lee. Show proof
(in full context of course). Because what you have said is defamation,
libel, and slander without it.
What really happens here is that people trap themselves in their own
words and I have the ability to write clearly and cleanly without those
traps that people can easily use to divert attention. And it drives people
crazy.
I also use the truth to make my points, by using vetted information and
sources and I bring people back to the point and context of a post
tenaciously. And that drives people crazy.
But I’m not doing anything wrong or violent. And don’t hurt people by
calling names and swearing at them. I paid attention in my communication
classes and I use those same lessons in discussions and debates. I love a
good debate. I can also see manipulation and propaganda being used a
mile away. For all your talk you certainly do not engage to debate or
discuss. Proof is on the very posts right here on tech tonight. You don’t
even use your own admonitions.
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Date: February 18, 2023 at 21:28:49
From: Nevada, [DNS_Address]
Subject: Re: ...those comments go way past "passive aggressive"... |
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"What really happens here is that people trap themselves in their own words and I have the ability to write clearly and cleanly without those traps that people can easily use to divert attention. And it drives people crazy."
I agree with what you just wrote etc...
The difference between you and I perhaps is that I'm really not trying to "trap" anyone but rather seek a road to understanding and communication knowing that someday I'm not going to be around for the dialogue anymore and my thoughts and views will have to live on in those I communicate with now if that is to come to pass.
Many of our fellow EB'er have passed on...
...it pains me that I never learned to communicate effectively with many of them. It also frustrates me we have not grown in size and diversity over the years.
It's one thing to win an argument...
...quite another to make a friend we can communicate with as we pass through this rather Short life.
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Date: February 18, 2023 at 21:36:13
From: etc., [DNS_Address]
Subject: Old friends… |
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We were friends. Not sure you even remember. I am the same person. I had a life alternating life changing event that brought me to who I am before I came here. A place I will not step away from. But You changed. You were the wise man I would enjoy coming and listening to. He didn’t play games. He was straight and sure. I miss him. And that is an honest statement.
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Date: February 18, 2023 at 22:01:57
From: Nevada, [DNS_Address]
Subject: Re: Old friends… I appreciate your kind thoughts... |
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...it would be a blessing to share more as time goes on.
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Date: February 18, 2023 at 22:09:58
From: etc., [DNS_Address]
Subject: Re: Old friends… I appreciate your kind thoughts... |
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I can’t when you play games Lee. Games are disrespectful. So it’s up to you. But understand, transparency is both chosen and self revealing.
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Date: February 18, 2023 at 22:47:50
From: Nevada, [DNS_Address]
Subject: communication is easier if you don't have too many restrictions... |
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...that's how great civilizations have dissapeared in the past and probably for the foreseeable future.
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Date: February 18, 2023 at 22:52:57
From: etc., [DNS_Address]
Subject: Re: communication is easier if you don't have too many restrictions... |
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Unfortunately that is true. People playing games and disrespecting others instead of playing it truthful. And there are those lies coming to surface again. You can’t even make it one hour. As I said, I miss the old Lee. The wise thoughtful and kind one. If he ever comes back I will recognize him.
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Date: February 18, 2023 at 23:15:48
From: Nevada, [DNS_Address]
Subject: If he ever comes back I will recognize him... |
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...in a perfect earth experience, coming back isn't nearly as important as moving on...
...in my brief experience.
The older I get, the more I appreciate both my own journeys and the journeys of many fellow travelers whose journeys touched mine, even those that didn't totally resonate but added to mine none the less.
Pretty sure that's how God planned it.
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Date: February 18, 2023 at 20:27:09
From: ryan, [DNS_Address]
Subject: Re: ...those comments go way past "passive aggressive"... |
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i agree, "fuck off you sleazy lying dirtbag" goes quite beyond passive aggressive...oh...i bet you weren't referring to that because it seems you think it was somehow justified...instead of wanting to be an adult just be one...feed your ego to the lizards...
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Date: February 18, 2023 at 21:12:04
From: Nevada, [DNS_Address]
Subject: feed your ego to the lizards... |
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...it was 37 degrees and overcast at the Zen Garden this afternoon...
...was greeted by three rabbits, 6 chipmunks, one younger pack rat and two sparrows.
Man do they ever love my ego!!!
"...instead of wanting to be an adult just be one..."
...have anyone in mind I could "emulate" as an "adult" ryan?
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Date: February 18, 2023 at 22:52:07
From: ryan, [DNS_Address]
Subject: Re: feed your ego to the lizards... |
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jesus always works, or yogananda, or lao tzu...there are not many adults that have lived on this planet, at least for a long, long time...but there are still some good role models around...
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Date: February 18, 2023 at 23:18:55
From: Nevada, [DNS_Address]
Subject: ...sounds like we're on the same page ryan... |
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Date: February 18, 2023 at 20:25:33
From: Karen, [DNS_Address]
Subject: Re: ...those comments go way past "passive aggressive"... |
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Couldn’t agree more. Hope Akira doesn’t get the griz route.
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Date: February 18, 2023 at 22:03:08
From: chatillon, [DNS_Address]
Subject: Re: ...those comments go way past "passive aggressive"...Karen(NT) |
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Date: February 18, 2023 at 20:38:33
From: Nevada, [DNS_Address]
Subject: akira allowed herself to become the "victim" in this situation... |
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etc and shadow get to take another to the bank while the messenger goes to jail.
Can't beat that with a stick.
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Date: February 18, 2023 at 22:47:19
From: ryan, [DNS_Address]
Subject: Re: akira allowed herself to become the "victim" in this... |
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Date: February 18, 2023 at 23:47:53
From: Nevada, [DNS_Address]
Subject: good ol' lee, always pointing the finger... |
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...Yogananda used to point his finger a lot too ryan...
...but always towards God.
Isn't that really the ultimate goal here after all these years?
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Date: February 18, 2023 at 22:00:14
From: chatillon, [DNS_Address]
Subject: Re: akira allowed herself to become the "victim" in this... |
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I thoroughly agree with you--and with Karen. Was going to avoid EB like a plague for a while, but I may regret this. Thing is PAs are incapable of recognizing it in themselves. Had one in the family--overtly sweet as sweet could be, but that 'sweet' had acid in it. Only those who were of the same bent didn't recognize it-- neither did those who didn't have much contact. It's a particularly nasty covert form of bullying. And it's H*ll living with someone like that. Some people can leave the vicinity some cannot. Some have to check out.
Jailer should be ashamed of himself but doubt will be since it has been condoned and allowed to get to this level.
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Date: February 24, 2023 at 05:32:13
From: akira, [DNS_Address]
Subject: Re: akira allowed herself to become the "victim" in this... |
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"Thing is PAs are incapable of recognizing it in themselves"
Well, this one clearly has zero self awareness. It's fascinating to watch the defensive maneuvering.
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Date: February 24, 2023 at 07:48:08
From: Eve, [DNS_Address]
Subject: Re: akira allowed herself to become the "victim" in this... |
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What are PA's ?...Pennsylvanians would be a guess but I don't think that's it...maybe some abbreviation for common social media political text verbiage I don't frequent enough to know as I do not partake.
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Date: March 06, 2023 at 18:56:29
From: akira, [DNS_Address]
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Date: March 06, 2023 at 18:58:51
From: Eve, [DNS_Address]
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Date: February 18, 2023 at 22:07:56
From: Nevada, [DNS_Address]
Subject: Re: akira allowed herself to become the "victim" in this... |
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...it's never too late to reverse course in life chatillon...
...but it isn't easy either.
I suspect you will agree...
...we are all at an extremely critical point in our evolution...
I pray for the best.
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Date: February 18, 2023 at 22:21:56
From: chatillon, [DNS_Address]
Subject: Re: akira allowed herself to become the "victim" in this... |
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Some ruts run deep. But there's always hope. Candles and Wheels
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Date: February 18, 2023 at 21:01:02
From: etc., [DNS_Address]
Subject: Re: akira allowed herself to become the "victim" in this... |
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(I’ll let Shadow speak for herself :)
Unlike other posters, I follow the rules. And I don’t attack and call the owner or other posters names. And when Bopp says calm down, I do it. I earn the right to stay. And I don’t take it for granted. Everyone has the same chance. Use it or lose it is the saying. We choose, always. And live with the consequences.
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Date: February 18, 2023 at 21:53:22
From: Nevada, [DNS_Address]
Subject: Everyone has the same chance? What if you born in Zambia? |
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...or in Alabama in 1956?
What we often say during this life may sound nice, but more closely examined may fall short of "perfection".
I have rarely met anyone in this life that if I looked closely enough, could not bring to my own life gifts for living and learning that helped me become a better person....
...and that certainly includes everyone that has ever posted on EB.
It's not necessarily about winning a debate or composing a zinger...
...it's more about who we become and what we take away from our moments together.
Will you join me in asking ryan to bring akira back to EB tonight so we can all work together for the future growth of this forum?
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Date: February 18, 2023 at 22:01:30
From: etc., [DNS_Address]
Subject: Re: Everyone has the same chance? What if you born in Zambia? |
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Everyone has the same chance to obey the rules Mr. Bopp set up. Deflecting to Zambia and Alabama is purposefully disingenuous. Another game. I’m so disappointed in you. Akira can apologize to Mr. Bopp and ask to be reinstated. That would be meaningful.
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Date: February 18, 2023 at 23:43:28
From: Nevada, [DNS_Address]
Subject: "Everyone has the same chance to obey the rules..." |
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I recently "broke the rules" here in Hawthorne when I "forgot" to renew my vehicle registration. I got "pulled over" a week after they expired and given a citation for $245 for breaking the rules.
The fine was nearly 25% of my entire monthly income and I arranged to plead my situation to the "Judge". I arrived in court as required and waited...
...and waited some more.
Eventually the District Attorney appeared and asked if anyone waiting in the room was there for a traffic citation. I raised my hand and he asked for a copy of my citation which I gave him. He asked if I had renewed the registration and I replied in the affirmative. He took the information and said he would return in a moment.
He returned in about five minutes and said he had dismissed my case and I was free to go and have a nice day.
Although I had obviously not obeyed all the rules, he obviously saw something in the moment that caused him to set aside the "rules".
Pretty much one of the happiest days of my life that came out of nowhere.
I feel the same way about akira.
Doesn't anyone else here?
This actually happened to me less than a week ago.
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Date: February 18, 2023 at 19:46:52
From: mr bopp, [DNS_Address]
Subject: Re: Mr. Bopp |
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i've taken all that in, thanks...i certainly don't see you as those 3 do...akira is on a timeout...i don't know for how long yet...and i agree, it is a dangerous premise to let lying go without standing up to it...
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Date: February 18, 2023 at 20:26:15
From: Nevada, [DNS_Address]
Subject: Re: Mr. Bopp |
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I remember being the victim of a bully in the fourth grade and because my communication "skills" were not as honed as his, I was the one the "teachers" sent to the Principal's office for behavior modification.
Putting akira on time out while "ignoring" what etc and shadow have been doing to her for months is probably not your best call ryan.
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