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From: JTRIV, [DNS_Address]
Subject: So what is bullying
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Herr Bopp, Dan accused me of bullying him on national. I see you have removed it.. no big deal. But that whole discussion started when Logan posted an article and Dan responded claiming in his subject line "Really old fake news..." and in the body of the message he claimed it had been "debunked". It turns out neither was true, it wasn't fake news and it hadn't been debunked. So isn't that an example of Dan bullying Logan? I get that Logan posts off the wall stuff from the worst possible sources... I rarely read his posts. Still isn't Dan's knee jerk false claim that it had been "debunked" really just Dan bullying Logan? Cheers Jim |
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From: georg, [DNS_Address]
Subject: it is all relative and depends on whose ox is being gored (NT)
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From: Eve, [DNS_Address]
Subject: Re: So what is bullying
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You sir have bullied me before and then I started standing and you did it when I was recovering from being abused by the police but so did the one you biff about Dan. You guys are insufferable sometimes...and you got room for improvement yourself as we all do....We had a time where we got over that bad place and I felt had an understanding until you crossed the line with me. I felt that one time when we made a connection (after the many times you bullied me) and made me laugh with that Adam and Eve gif I felt it in my heart from the Lord to pray for you and then the line crossing came and I said really Lord? He still says yes so I do intercede for you and if I rebuke it's because I care and it's not intended to be petty even though some may take it that way I know my own heart it's in the right place. |
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From: Eve, [DNS_Address]
Subject: Re: So what is bullying
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p.s. I still remember the meme I sent you in response to the Adam and Eve meme with the granny you sent to me (in our deleted posts thread) when there was someone posting here named atom....I laughed when you sent that meme....Then I sent you the Jesus cat meme. I did not even know at the time I posted the Jesus cat about the physicist side...it was just a feeling to send you that particular meme as you come across to me in the method of your posts as being analytical. 
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From: JTRIV, [DNS_Address]
Subject: Re: So what is bullying
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Hi Eve, Err... well this is a little out of left field 3 days after this was posted. I'm sorry but I have no memory of what you are talking about. My participation has been light here for many years. How many years ago are we talking? Is that why you post irrelevant images whenever I post? Cheers Jim |
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From: Eve, [DNS_Address]
Subject: Re: So what is bullying
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A few years ago maybe 2017...I remember it as I was prompted to pray for you but that probably helps me more than it does you.... Also you complained to bopp about his deleting it but I did not mind ...I have a good memory not clouded by many indulgences many others have, I am just different that way...someone who cares enough to remember stuff that is meaningful...But I don't save posts like bets (I don't make bets) to toss out later to drag out old points to the nth degree...I just remember. I was prompted to say something from the start I just did not feeling it yet and today I was...not everything has to go according to a certain method as i required about of days to respond as far as I know there is none but a week I guess if a topic stays at the top would be sufficient and even later if someone is away and returns to the boads. While the images may be irrelevant to you it's understandable why it's received that way. I hope this does not go on and on and on cause thats what I try to avoid. One can hope anyways but it's not much point when one sees another is not open to reception so thank you and farewell. |
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From: mr bopp, [DNS_Address]
Subject: Re: So what is bullying
| you are a bully from way back jim...deal with it... |
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From: Nevada, [DNS_Address]
Subject: so "new" bullies are ok, but not "old" bullies ryan? very strange...
| ...but then we obviously live in "strange" times. |
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From: JimW, [DNS_Address]
Subject: Re: Nevada, it seems You live in a strange world, not us(NT)
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From: Daisy Lionheart, [DNS_Address]
Subject: Re: so "new" bullies are ok, but not "old"...
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Yep, Bully Eyelash won a 'clean sweep' at the Grammies this year. Never heard of her, must be a newbie, I presume...green roots! LOL Whatever! |
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From: Eve, [DNS_Address]
Subject: Re: so "new" bullies are ok, but not "old"...
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From: etc., [DNS_Address]
Subject: Re: So what is bullying
URL: https://www.ncab.org.au/bullying-advice/bullying-for-parents/definition-of-bullying/
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From the National Centre Against Bullying... “Bullying is an ongoing and deliberate misuse of power in relationships through repeated verbal, physical and/or social behaviour that intends to cause physical, social and/or psychological harm. It can involve an individual or a group misusing their power, or perceived power, over one or more persons who feel unable to stop it from happening.” Does it appear to you that Dan’s rebuke of Logan’s post fits this definition? How about the back and forth between you and Dan? Who was pushing and who was defending himself? There are a lot of bullies on the site, but Dan is not one of them, from my observation of that deleted thread and in my personal opinion. One has to wonder why you are pushing this. |
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From: JTRIV, [DNS_Address]
Subject: Re: So what is bullying
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Hi etc. > Does it appear to you that Dan’s rebuke of Logan’s > post fits this definition? Obviously. It is pretty clear Dan was shouting down Logan's post and making false claims to do it. > How about the back and forth between you and Dan? Are you talking about when I asked if that had really been debunked and he repeatedly told me to screw myself? He has some self control issues but I'm not thin skinned so no big deal. Dan tends to behave like that when he makes a mistake. Still... can you imagine anyone outside "the few" behaving like that? Cheers Jim |
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From: Eve, [DNS_Address]
Subject: Re: So what is bullying
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He may be hurting over something you don't know about and you do hang on like a snapping turtle when you get to going and it's overly pointy at times redundant....at least Dan does eventually stop and when Redhart suggested he do so with me once when I was hurting he did. For you sometimes it's like Jaws...change the things you can and find your strength to do so from the right place, you know what I mean. |
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From: etc., [DNS_Address]
Subject: Re: So what is bullying
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I read all the posts. I saw what you did. You deny but are not innocent for doing what you are accusing of Dan. I understand definitions. Do you? |
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From: JTRIV, [DNS_Address]
Subject: Re: So what is bullying
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Hi etc. The only reason I even got in that thread was that Dan announced the claims Kamala Harris is descended from a slave owner had been debunked and after searching myself I asked for a reference. When it became apparent that nothing had been debunked I did enjoy watching Dan sputter and squeal and cuss and... well and do everything but admit he made a false statement. Still the point remains.... is Dan jumping on Logan's post and making false claims bullying? Cheers Jim |
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From: etc., [DNS_Address]
Subject: Re: So what is bullying
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No actually Dan’s response to Logan’s post was not bullying. He posted what he believed. You on the other hand just admitted you enjoyed seeing Dan as you put it “sputter and squeal and cuss.” The perfect expression of the definition of bullying. By the way, Dan has no obligation to answer you or prove his point to your satisfaction. |
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From: JTRIV, [DNS_Address]
Subject: Re: So what is bullying
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Hi etc. LOL well if you were offended by my amusement at Dan's personal attacks instead of admitting a mistake I will have to admit I'm also amused at you jumping in here excusing Dan's behavior while trying to chastise me who neither made false statements nor told anyone to screw themselves. Are you so into right and left that you've lost sight of right and wrong? Cheers Jim |
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From: Chuckles, [DNS_Address]
Subject: Re: So what is bullying
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I read the posts and didn't see where you were a bully, all I saw was Dan becoming unhinged, plain and clear as can be. |
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From: Eve, [DNS_Address]
Subject: Re: So what is bullying
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From: Graxarife , [DNS_Address]
Subject: Re: you are a Racist for posting that Eve!(NT)
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From: Eve, [DNS_Address]
Subject: Re: girl you are empty headed whiney energy vampire (NT)
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From: Eve, [DNS_Address]
Subject: Re:+the repub cultish mindset comes across as discriminatorily dull(NT)
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From: JTRIV, [DNS_Address]
Subject: Re: So what is bullying
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Hi Chuckles, That was my impression. He tried to shout down Logan claiming it had been debunked, then when I asked for a reference he seemed to lose his shit. That is the type of behavior that has driven people away from this site. Anther example would be today when Lee posted the article about the moron who caught himself on fire in Portland. The typical attack the source based on the douchebag armchair media dude, Lee says just watch the video and is given his daily "Go Fish". Holy crap, that is trolling by every definition of trolling. If you don't want to read his source or communicate with him use some self control. On any forum I've ever been on with a moderator that type of trolling wouldn't last long. The trolling and bullying of any other view as extreme as I've ever seen it. LIAHO wasn't this contentious. Cheers Jim |
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From: Alan, [DNS_Address]
Subject: Re: So what is bullying
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JTRIV What are your thoughts on Kamala Harris possibly having an Irish ancestor who was a slave owner? Do you fear that if she was elected that some inherited trait could make her unsuitable for her role? |
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From: JTRIV, [DNS_Address]
Subject: Re: So what is bullying
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Hi Alan, I don't really see how it is very relevant. Just an interesting aspect of her ancestry. Cheers Jim |
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From: Alan, [DNS_Address]
Subject: Re: So what is bullying
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The knowledge that she was likely descended from a Irish slave owner wasn't something that was being hidden as her father had spoken about it - so what do you think was the purpose of Logan's post and linked article's slant on it? |
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From: JTRIV, [DNS_Address]
Subject: Re: So what is bullying
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Hi Alan, I didn't read Logan's article... I rarely read his stuff. If I was to take a guess I would say it was an attack piece of some sort. But I didn't ask about Logan's article. Dan claimed it was "Really old fake news..." and "it was debunked" so I asked him for a reference. I did take time to do a search myself and seeing it was her father than had talked about the family history I was puzzled by Dan's claims. In retrospect Dan was simply bullying Logan. He reacted to Logan's post by posting falsehoods saying it was old fake news and had been debunked neither of which was true. And then in response to my question Dan had a meltdown. Do you think it was appropriate for Dan to jump on Logan's post falsely claiming "Really old fake news..." and "it was debunked"? I'm sure it would have been easy to list a few counterpoints to whatever trashy article Logan posted... but Dan didn't do that. Cheers Jim |
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From: JTRIV, [DNS_Address]
Subject: Re: Alan?
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Alan, I did politely answer your questions. Do you think it was appropriate for Dan to jump on Logan's post falsely claiming "Really old fake news..." and "it was debunked"? I'm sure it would have been easy to list a few counterpoints to whatever trashy article Logan posted... but Dan didn't do that. Cheers Jim |
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From: Alan, [DNS_Address]
Subject: Re: Alan?
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You answered vaugely and I found it most interesting you never read what Logan posted before appointing yourself as his defence attorney for whatever reason. I percieve your motives not being a wholehearted defence of Logan / attack on Dan but IMHO part of your problem with Bopp. Logan habitually posted CT nonsense - What's he's repeatedly posted has been debunked many times but he never learnt from the error of his ways - in fact it seem to give him added enthusiasm to use this site to post Natural News verbatim because of its effect, not to debate - classic trolling, along with other dodgy extremist disinfo for much the same rason - not that he really believed it. I do not see what Dan posted in response as bullying - Dan gave it the short shrift it deserved. With Bopp finally & kindly putting Logan out of his terminal misery. Whatever your problem is with Bopp (not accepting the equal represention of Trumpian weird and wacky world of alternative facts?) , you're bright enought to sort it out with him off the board. |
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From: JTRIV, [DNS_Address]
Subject: Re: Alan?
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Hi Alan, LOL looking back at my responses I answered with specifics.... I just didn't launch into some political diatribe which you folks are so focused on. Maybe after the election when you lose your Trump tunnel vision you will be able to grasp right from wrong again. Many folks who are obsessed with Trump seem to have a bit of trouble telling right from wrong. I didn't read Logan's article because Logan never posts anything worth reading. But Dan made what I thought was an interesting statement so I simply asked for a reference. I guess all you folks think Logan is fair game for any type of reply including dishonesty since I seem to be alone in thinking Dan's lies were a bad thing. But I do find this very interesting. > Dan gave it the short shrift it deserved. I find that interesting because what Dan said was false. You really think it was appropriate to respond to Logan's CT crap with dishonesty? Doesn't that just make a bad situation worse? CT crap but lies? I wouldn't have responded if Dan didn't say it was fake news and debunked. Herr Bopp said Logan should not be responded to because he is banned which seems more appropriate than responding to his posts with falsehoods. Nothing will ever be sorted out with Herr Bopp.... I've got more than 20 years of experience dealing with him and that just isn't going to happen. You folks go ahead harassing and removing anyone that doesn't toe the liberal line. Cheers Jim |
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From: Alan, [DNS_Address]
Subject: Re: Alan?
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So your problem when it comes down to it is political - Trumpian reality / surreality - due to Dan/Bopp/Liberals somehow not appreciating and bowing down to the stable genius of the orange annointed one and his heraditary dynasty. I think you need to take your problem/s up with Sean Spicer > Kellyanne Conway... as not long ago... "Alternative facts" was a phrase used by U.S. Counselor to the President Kellyanne Conway during a Meet the Press interview on January 22, 2017, in which she defended White House Press Secretary Sean Spicer's false statement about the attendance numbers of Donald Trump's inauguration as President of the United States. and Kayleigh McEnany and all the Press Secretaries & other staff/appointees in-between that have fallen off the conveyor belt trying in vain to push Trump's version of reality to the masses before their brains' exploded at the task in hand. Good luck with that |
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From: JTRIV, [DNS_Address]
Subject: Re: Alan?
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Hi Alan, Well that certainly is a.... fucking clueless response. You just don't get it do you? All you politics obsessed people really have lost all sense of right and wrong with your political tunnel vision. Do you not realize that many of us don't think of Trump every waking moment like you do? I think everyone has agreed that when Dan said Logan's article was "fake news" and had been "debunked" he was not making a true statement. All you liberals refuse to even say he was wrong in doing that even though what he said was wrong. I have experience in dealing with Dan so I should have realized he had no idea what he was talking about... but I really am surprised of all the obsessed support he gets for making false claims. The election will be over in just two short months... but are you guys confident you can find your moral compass again? Or have you always been like this and the election year just exposes it? And in case you have made it this far and are still totally lost... pause to think for a minute if I have been one to participate in the political diarrhea that happens daily on National. If you can stop obsessing over Donald Trump for a minute it may dawn on you that politics isn't a subject I engage in. Cheers Jim |
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From: Alan, [DNS_Address]
Subject: Re: Alan?
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Well you put the political references in first - so just pointing it back at you "when you lose your Trump tunnel vision you will be able to grasp right from wrong again. Many folks who are obsessed with Trump ... doesn't toe the liberal line. " "Do you not realize that many of us don't think of Trump every waking moment like you do?" "but are you guys confident you can find your moral compass again?" Seriously - are you suggesting we follow Trump's moral compass as an example. "stop obsessing over Donald Trump" Then why did you raise it - are you a perhaps more obsessed by him and find it disappointing that not everyone is obsessed in following him as you would like... I've been clear in my disdain of him from the start - I have no respect for him and his idioracy - you and Logan might find him inspirational and leads you by example - once again your choice to do so and good luck with that - doesn't mean anyone else should jump on the bandwagon of raw Trumpian self-interest. |
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From: JTRIV, [DNS_Address]
Subject: Re: Alan?
URL: 12-Step Program
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Hi Alan, > I've been clear in my disdain of him from the > start> - I have no respect for him and his > idioracy - you and Logan might find him > inspirational and > leads you by example - once again your choice to > do so and good luck with that - doesn't mean > anyone else should jump on the bandwagon of raw > Trumpian self-interest. Wow... you really are OBSESSED with Trump! And you assume anyone not obsessed against Trump must be obsessed for Trump. As serious as your obsession is have you ever considered a 12 step program? Cheers Jim |
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From: Alan, [DNS_Address]
Subject: Re: Alan?
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I didn't raise him in my initial replies - you first mentiioned Trump and your disdain of liberals first - suggest you let that sink in |
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From: JTRIV , [DNS_Address]
Subject: Re: And you saw that like a bull sees red?(NT)
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From: Alan, [DNS_Address]
Subject: Re: And you saw that like a bull sees red?(NT)
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I see Trumpism as detestable, does that offend you? Trumpism is "what the president believes on any particular moment on any particular day about any particular subject" Though he has been consistent with greed, nepotism and his fondness for conspiracy theories. ;-) |
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From: Nevada, [DNS_Address]
Subject: I see Trumpism as detestable, does that offend you? Not at all Alan...
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...what "offends" me is your "obsession" with Trump and your failure to focus on creating more reasonable and workable alternatives. Ryan indicated we are living in serious times... ...I agree, but overall, "Trump" is a very small part of the problem and denial of that is an even more serious mistake. |
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From: JTRIV, [DNS_Address]
Subject: Re: And you saw that like a bull sees red?(NT)
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Hi Alan, > I see Trumpism as detestable, does that offend you? Not at all. Your obsession is a bit worrisome though... but at least you aren't alone. There are a lot of Trump obsessed people around here. Win or lose I have to wonder if this obsession will continue and if the division in this country can be repaired. The obsessive hate for Trump and anyone that would support him isn't something that will just vanish. Cheers Jim |
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From: shadow, [DNS_Address]
Subject: You’re right...
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Attempting to frame calling Trump out on all the myriad ways his nature and character are so obviously unfit to hold any position of responsibility for human lives as “political” and an “obsession”...as if that simple observation represents some type of extreme, irrational behavior...is an incredibly weak and transparent mischaracterization, sir... ...but you are quite correct: Our refusal to stand down from holding that line will never “just vanish”...hard as folks like you wish it would, and disparage your own dignity in the effort to discredit it... |
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From: JTRIV, [DNS_Address]
Subject: Re: and people wonder why our nation is so divided(NT)
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From: shadow , [DNS_Address]
Subject: Re: and people wonder why our nation is so divided(NT)
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Jim, standing firm on the truth of equal rights for all is a reflection of Unity consciousness, which is the living antithesis of the perverse notion that it’s ever correct to “divide out” those “worthy” of those rights from those one imagines not to be... He is the most actively divisive being ever to hold office, here or anywhere, save a select few whose names his will be found amongst one day soon... |
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From: JTRIV, [DNS_Address]
Subject: Re: so it is an end justifies the means type of thing(NT)
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From: shadow, [DNS_Address]
Subject: Unless the *means* toward progressive change is nonviolent...
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...it is *never justified,* as per my own personal values as well as those of most folks I have anything to do with... You might get a different answer from someone whose dignity of existence has been disappeared and invalidated, their most basic rights abused, lifelong, based on someone's opinion of their value... If I were that person, could I in all honesty say I wouldn't cross a line into reacting violently, as I'd been treated for so long? Since I am not, I cannot say... Can you? |
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From: JTRIV, [DNS_Address]
Subject: Re: so violence is the only line in your view?
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Hi Shadow, So violence is the only line that is *never justified,* but all else is good? Just to refresh your memory I started this thread about Dan bullying Logan with falsehoods. Best I can tell your fellow liberals here also have no problem with morally questionable behavior judging by the support for Dan's actions. I guess we all have our own moral code with lines we don't cross.... but placing that line at only violence seems a bit worrisome. Do you think you and your fellow liberals always had such flexible morals or is that the orange man's fault too? Cheers Jim |
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From: shadow, [DNS_Address]
Subject: Ah. I see. Got it.
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I'm talking to another wall! lol Guess I knew that...it's just, y'know, some of your words in that one post accidentally came out in a momentarily compartmentalized way, which offered the appearance of some slight possibility of productive, clear exchange! But alas, it was only an illusion, and we're back to the same 'ol same ol shitespin show...lol... Best to you Jim... |
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From: JTRIV, [DNS_Address]
Subject: Re: if you thought I was going to discuss politics
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Hi shadow, If you thought I was going to discuss politics you were mistaken. I posted on the Tech Support board about Dan's bullying. As you and other liberals have jumped in the discussion I have repeatedly turned the discussion back to the original topic I created on Dan's bullying and I've been commenting throughout the thread on all the liberals justifying Dan's actions. You have helped demonstrate the point I was making demonstrating a similar obsession to Alan. In November the election will be over but win or lose I have doubts you liberals will be extending a hand to those that don't share your beliefs. Cheers Jim |
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From: shadow , [DNS_Address]
Subject: Re: if you thought I was going to discuss politics
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GadZOOKS Jim...could you possibly be related to Nevada, I wonder? What a freakin' riot...lolol... I could have said pretty much literally ANYthing, and you'd have told me I was demonstrating/illustrating your "point"...lol...when in fact you don't have a substantive one, at all, in your attempts to nail Dan for bullying... And that perspective's nothing whatsoever to do with my being a "liberal"...lolololololol...though your projecting that it does is great for a laugh... ;) |
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From: JTRIV, [DNS_Address]
Subject: Re: so what was your expectatiion?
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Hi shadow, So what was your expectation? You launched into political anti-Trump diatribes in 2 posts and somehow expected that I would say "well sure, now that you put in that way Dan dishonestly responding to Logan was entirely justified"? LOL I mean dude.... if you can't grasp your Trump obsessed posts helps prove my point about you obsessed liberals trying to justify your poor behavior... oops... silly me. Obsessed people rarely see it. They just think others are "projecting"! LMAO. Cheers Jim |
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From: shadow, [DNS_Address]
Subject: Clearly this is your obsession-blindness on display...
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...dudely, rather than my own, in more ways than one... ;-> |
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From: Eve, [DNS_Address]
Subject: Bulls are colorblind, it's the cape flapping motion that annoys them
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From: mr bopp, [DNS_Address]
Subject: Re: So what is bullying
| logan is banned...he shouldn't be posting anymore and certainly should not be responded to... |
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From: JTRIV , [DNS_Address]
Subject: Re: So what is bullying
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Herr Bopp, I agree. Responding to him by saying false things only made the situation worse. Perhaps their are other cases where self control and not responding would be helpful. The “few” often respond to people when they have no intention of discussing the topic. Cheers Jim |
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From: Dan, [DNS_Address]
Subject: Re: So what is bullying
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rationalization : the act, process, or result of rationalizing : a way of describing, interpreting, or explaining something (such as bad behavior) that makes it seem proper, more attractive, etc https://www.merriam- webster.com/dictionary/rationalization Wasn't it you who suggested that the inability to let go of an issue was a sign of dementia? LOL cheers |
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From: Chuckles, [DNS_Address]
Subject: Re: So what is bullying
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Hi Jim, it's apparent that we both see what's happening on the national board. It's like the person responding to you below this post, she likes to troll certain people who don't see eye to eye with her, and so they bully you, me and others with childish postings, to me she has gone way too long getting away with it, very immature. |
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From: Eve, [DNS_Address]
Subject: Re: So what is bullying
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That's not why I posted. |
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From: Eve, [DNS_Address]
Subject: Re: So what is bullying
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From: Nevada, [DNS_Address]
Subject: ...we all have our unique personalities Chuckles...(NT)
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From: Chuckles, [DNS_Address]
Subject: Re: ...we all have our unique personalities Chuckles...(NT)
| As you think, as you express! |
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From: etc., [DNS_Address]
Subject: Re: So what is bullying
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You are the bully. You were the one who asked what bullying is. And there you were, the perfect example. It’s that simple. Like most bullies, you are persistent. |
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From: JTRIV, [DNS_Address]
Subject: Re: So what is bullying
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From: Eve, [DNS_Address]
Subject: Re: So what is bullying
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smile, it's national GIF day 
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