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From: Nevada, [DNS_Address]
Subject: ...another toxic Monday Bopp... think I'll sit out another round
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...same disrespect and divisive discrimination... ...hardly the America my parents said we were growing up in. |
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From: Eve, [DNS_Address]
Subject: Re: ...another toxic Monday Bopp... think I'll sit out another round
URL: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VYOjWnS4cMY&list=RDVYOjWnS4cMY&start_radio=1
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Segregation Jim Crow Viet Nam the killing never ends ETC. It's just divided more, it was then but now has reached the breaking point ....and add the sticky web to the mix it's bound for destruction. |
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From: Lily, [DNS_Address]
Subject: Re: ...another toxic Monday Bopp... think I'll sit out another round
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It was so nice this morning until the bully showed up. Then the other one chimed in so as not to be left out. I think I will post my shit tomorrow. Red needs more bully time. |
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From: Redhart, [DNS_Address]
Subject: Re: ...another toxic Monday Bopp... think I'll sit out another round
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You confuse bullying with information and facts. That board is covered with your spitwads, however. |
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From: Lily, [DNS_Address]
Subject: Re: ...another toxic Monday Bopp... think I'll sit out another round
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Then why not keep your left wing ‘facts’ to yourself like every other respectable person does! You are an internet bully. Fact. You get off on it. The boards were so ice this am until you showed up. You troll and attack and bopp allows it from you but not those on the right. |
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From: Redhart, [DNS_Address]
Subject: Re: ...another toxic Monday Bopp... think I'll sit out another round
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What? LOL--So, your main grudge is left wingers share facts?? That's not bullying!!If you want only right wing facts--go to a right wing board. |
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From: Nevada, [DNS_Address]
Subject: Re: ...another toxic Monday Bopp... think I'll sit out another round
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...the issue really isn't left or right wing "facts", but your apparent need to control the even flow of information to serve your own "needs", what ever those happen to be... ...bullying and badgering are just tools of your trade but in the long term, they do far more damage than good. Tulsi seems to face the same issues with Hillary and they're in the same party. It would be helpful if you were a little more attentive to the needs and feelings of others... ...especially those of us who have been around you for quite some time let alone newcomers to the boards. |
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From: JimW, [DNS_Address]
Subject: Re: .Nevada, a suggestion.....
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Why don't you deal with YOUR toxic behavior before you stand in harsh judgment of our behavior. You will be able to find that you are the problem not the solution. |
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From: Redhart, [DNS_Address]
Subject: Re: ...another toxic Monday Bopp... think I'll sit out another round
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I control myself. That's all I can control. What you do is up to you. What seems to piss you off is that you are not controlling me. I have every right to share information and rate sources of information shared here. I have every right to share articles and factual information as well (contrary to Lily's beliefs). This country's been under attack from other sources of disinfo and the rules no longer apply, the internet has changed. More direct source information is needed for nefarious sources. People can read them or not. They can scroll right by if they want. It's better than calling names, don't you think? It's not censorship, it's additional information and if you go to the link it sites actual cases and reasons with further links if you question the verdict. I also have the right to not respond to people who are only playing games or trolling to provoke and control, or distract. You play that circular-pretzel- logic game punctuated by psycho-probing to see if you can hit an insecure spot and get a rise out of people . Rather than post after post of troll and response and troll and response--"go fish" says, "I'm not playing", which I notice, really seems to tick you off. The last straw was you following me around the boards finding ways to put Duchinese in every post to me because you know I didn't like him, only to attempt to get me to react. I've had enough of that, Lee--you rarely post new information, it's mostly just airing your old resentments against democrats from the last election and shooting spitwads of sarcasm from the back of the class--unless, of course, you're trying to shove Gabbard down our throats whether we want it or not, or taking long memory walks with michael jackson far off topic. Not playing a troll game is also not bullying. However, trolling regardless of being told to go fish, is a bit bullying--the harassment type. "Go Fish" is a much nicer and simpler way of not filling up the board with back and forth troll threads and being a less confrontational place when someone is provoking negative attention. Who wants that?--maybe you do. There is no rule on Bopps board that I know of that says I MUST feed the troll back. That's not bullying. So with that Lee.... You may go back and fish and stuff the shallow enlightenment act in your tackle bag, too. You crossed the line and I'm simply not interested in participating in your endless threads of pointless philosophy circles, distractions or provokative statements. |
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From: Nevada, [DNS_Address]
Subject: Lee--you rarely post new information... I wonder why Red...
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...earlier today I noticed Chatilion and Lily had posted on National... ...the posts were rarely debated but they did entertain blanket denial of service comments, first from you, then Jim and later one or two others along with rebuttal comments... ...what a waste of time, energy, talent and intellectual conversation. What an insult to the long tradition of dialogue on EB. Adults of "our" caliber usually have learned how to respect and sometimes even encourage the lucid and enlightening discussion of points of view we might not even personally embrace at the moment. Why this need to get across "our point of view" and "only" our point of view is well beyond my current understanding. We are fellow human beings with different needs and understandings at any particular moment. I don't object to you getting out stories that reflect your point of view, but I don't understand your need to debunk and destroy those you don't believe in. I get that you don't always understand where I'm coming from, but my only intention is to "level" the fair playing field and respect as much as I am able all players here... yourself included. I found out a long time ago that respecting others, regardless of their "current" beliefs, was a much more productive path in life. I can barely "control" my own life let alone trying to control others. I can tell you from my experiences working with "at risk" youth in controlled educational environments, the only thing, and I do mean "only thing" that works at that level is a combination of honest absolute love and respect. Unfortunately I also discovered it rarely worked on their parents quite as well. Perhaps adults aren't quite as open and mature as we think sometimes. I appreciate you not asking me to go fish this time Red... ...it makes a proper, thoughtful reply so much easier. |
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From: Redhart, [DNS_Address]
Subject: Re: Lee--you rarely post new information... I wonder why Red...
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Lee, I'm not going to sit there and dissect posts and articles that are propagandized spin, disinfo, unverified claims. I don't have that many hours in a day to do that with the amount of bad sourced articles posted on there. To have a debate, you need to have a set of basic facts that are agreed upon. I used to spend hours hunting down facts and figures to prove or disprove a point. THAT is a waste of time when a whole article is built upon the house of disinfo facts. It's just a way to keep the "libs" busy instead of focusing on real facts and events of importance. This is not the same internet that was here when we started this journey. It's a place with dark corners of "Q", and where presidents now believe in Ukrainian servers (the physical server is actually at the DNC national headquarters on display). It's a place where trained russian agents build whole websites to dispense information made up just for an effect of division. It's a place where echo chambers of posters now only see facts if they venture out of that circle for a moment, in disbelief that there could be any other facts than what they read...or that what they read on another site, was not even a real fact. The internet has become a place of funhouse mirrors, where reality is suspended and team colors now are more important than ethics and values. I've chosen to bring a flashlight to this journey, and a hammer for those wavy mirrors. Having an "honest" conversation is always a good thing.. but playing tit for tat games with team colors and attempting to pass off opinion as news, or even unsubstantiated conspiracy theory, mindless derogatory name calling (thinking of Logan and blindhog here who equates any other opinion with "marxist! deep state! commie!) to earn some sort of loyalty points for their own team, is not my idea of an honest dialog. What I have come to the conclusion of is bringing a flashlight to the cave. If we can shine the light on what is, and isn't, fact--and come to an agreement on what IS fact (something that has disappeared in the last few years), maybe then we can have a dialog. I cannot sit at a table and be served a steaming pile of manure and be told it's a steak without saying, "no--it's manure" . That's not me. I will be true to myself, true to truth. If that's not being nice-- sorry, guess I'm not nice. I'm going to call it what it is and probably make less friends lol. If you want to have a discussion about sunsets, at risk youths, zen ponds, dogs, childhood memories--we can do that elsewhere. Personal board is good for that. But, I have no problem refusing manure on National, but discussing the finer points of crocheting or wild life watching elsewhere. Don't ask me to eat the manure though--I won't do it lol. I can't and be true to myself. I can't see obvious disinfo, false and debunked claims and let them go by without a warning to those who come after. If that makes people mad, oh well. But I can't, in good conscience, not address what I'm seeing or let others know something is wrong with a source or claim. I've seen people bring facts from right wing sources that are good sources and will look at them, discuss and logic it out with others on the board. But don't ask me to taste water ladled from toilets because it's "Polite" to get along. I won't do it...I'll tell you it's toilet water and walk away (sounds like a healthy response--or, at least, it used to be). But that's what I feel like you are doing when you want me to discuss the latest "the commies are attacking" natural news post from Logan, or the "brown people are evil and deserve to be in cages" posts from Breitbart from Chatillion. I'm going to look at you like you're a little bit nuts and point out it's toilet water and move on. I will be respectful to those who treat me with a little respect. If someone starts calling me derogatory names or attacking because I'm simply not on their team, I'll respond accordingly--or give them a go fish. Don't expect me to be a doormat to endear myself. I'm not. If Lilly wants a civil conversation (but I really don't think she does), she can start by treating me with civility herself...same with others here. JT is conservative, but he always treated me with civility, and we had some really great discussions and debates on here with intelligent facts and good sources. Yeah--it can be done. Would probably help if you didn't poke sticks at me, hurl insults if I don't respond to your stick, and stalk off blaming the person who wont' respond to your sarcasm and provocations of being "immature" as if throwing a tantrum until you get the response you want. Boundaries are healthy--I'm drawing a few for myself with others on a very adversarial board on this site. That's kind of a healthy thing to do, but it does make others uncomfortable, I'm sure. Oh well. |
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From: Nevada, [DNS_Address]
Subject: ...let's start with "respecting" each other as "human beings" Red...
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...if you don't like what I post, fine... "ignore" and move on to something that suits your interest more. It's the "disrespect" constantly verbalized, my own included, that bring a dark cloud over "us" and the forums. Once it goes negative, the dialogue goes south. ...you said... "This is not the same internet that was here when we started this journey." ...absolutely true, but judging from the nature of lucid dreams I had most of the night, this is kids play compared to whats coming with AI and 5 G technology... ...time to get control of where we "now are" because virtual reality technology is a thousand percent more "challenging". Best way to start is respect for each other and our diversity... ...and move on from there to the new "real" issues that are moving forward. Better to be defined by who we really are and hope to become than by the "company" we keep... ...every one of the posters on EB have made me a better person, most certainly yourself included Red... ...but "I" had to make the choice to allow it to happen first. |
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From: Kat, [DNS_Address]
Subject: Re: ...let's start with "respecting" each other as...
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That’s what I do with Jim and red. A few others as well. I don’t bother even reading them! I had a nasty mother growing up. No exaggeration! She’s wished she had aborted me! , and was free to tell me often just that. These people on national remind me of ‘those days’ living at home till the age of 18. By the time I was 30- and a years worth of deep hypnosis therapy ,and tons of tears being -10 deep Being under hypnosis. I was able to break the chain from my mother and her warped mind. I hope she has found some peace since she died 2013 at 94. One never forgets but I’m able to have control that part of my life. NOT the other way around. Now knowing one does NOT have to be a product of the environment one was raised in. Some on national I fear are and will always be stuck in the past behavior and never bothered to break the ‘chain’! IMO |
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From: chatillion, [DNS_Address]
Subject: "brown people are evil and deserve to be in cages"
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That is utter and total baloney, Redhart, and you know it. You seem to have trouble with colors or lack thereof. Refusing to read articles that you dismiss out of had because your mediamatters deems them unfit is not the way to intelligent and respectful discussion. This has been pointed out to you a number of times very recently. It certainly appears that you must have someone or something else tell you what is acceptable and what is not. You tend to follow certain posters around like obnoxious paparazzi and dismiss content without consideration, and expect not to be called on it. Or, if you don't 'get' what another poster is saying, become downright snarky. Whether you accept it or not, it is you poking sticks, and in a very disrespectful and often in an immature, barnyardy way. |
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From: Redhart, [DNS_Address]
Subject: Re: "brown people are evil and deserve to be in cages"
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I don't need mediamatters to tell me what garbage smells like, Chatillion. I use it to simply back up a claim. For those who care, it cites instances and citations for it's claims. It's one thing to say "I dont' like this source", and another to say "Here's why this source should be questioned". I've been on these boards for years and know and seen many of these sources myself, but not everyone else has. "Refusing to read articles..." Is there some rule where I must read every one of your articles? Are you under some impression that after reading 100 of them over the years and coming away nauseated, that article #101 will win me over? Suddenly it will all make sense to me as it has to you? What kind of foot- stomping demand is that--that all must read your articles? But just to reiterate; no, I don't have to read your articles if I feel they are from unsatisfactory and/or unsavory sources. I also don't demand that everyone on the boards read the ones I post. I have no doubt they get skipped over by some with great regularity. It's a free country. But I try to bring good dishes to this information pot luck we have at this board. Take what you want and leave the rest, there's no rule I must eat it all or like it all. And, like I said before, when I see something I'm going to say something. Comes with being an older women (which I believe most here are closer to their golden years than the spring of their youth). I'm guessing that when you don't like it, it becomes "snark". Oh well. Facts and good sourcing has always been a valuable tool. Unbased conspiracy and divisional politics, ignorance, really rubs me the wrong way especially when it's being presented as the real truth without evidence. I'm going to say something when that happens. Bottom line (for me, anyway)--if you really want me to read something, then post it from a legitimate, good source. Ones that verifies it's facts and utilizes good ethics of journalism to report them. When you double-down and seek out the worst sources just to show you can like a petulant child (you're far too old for that, dear), don't expect me to read it. Expect me to continue not reading it and posting warnings to others about known, dubious sources. And, I have trouble with those that degrade others on the basis of race or ethnic or religious background, and use fear and baseless claims attempting to make their own group feel superior. I say that as a white christian. I will call it out. I really believe that all men (and women) are created equal in the eyes of God and how we treat our neighbors, the poor, children, the person who goes to a different church (or no church at all) really does count. This country was founded on those principals, even if it has not adhered to them perfectly through history. I believe in that ideal and working toward that goal. Don't expect me to not say something. Your posts have become well-known for their drift into these territories on national and international boards. I didn't build that reputation for you, you did over many years. If that's disrespectful, so be it, I guess. |
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From: JimW, [DNS_Address]
Subject: Re: Redhart, Brilliant Reply! And all accurate and true, and...
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We have dealt with chatillion's racism and white supremacist beliefs for years. She has defended Hitler as an example and then complains about being called on her beliefs. She espouses white power and white privilege. She certainly has been allowed free speech at an extreme level. |
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From: etc., [DNS_Address]
Subject: Re: "brown people are evil and deserve to be in cages"
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...Natural News and other sites continually post mis-information. Once things are proven wrong and the news site does not admit its mistake and make a retraction, it becomes obvious they are in the business of promoting propaganda and swaying their readers into believing things that are not true. Once this kind of discernment is learned, it isn’t necessary to dissect every article anymore. Their patterns become clear. Red and others were really good and patient at pointing these things out in the beginning. But as it became evident and redundant, they have changed to just making the statement about the site and moving on. To warn others, not you. You and people like you have chosen to follow the deception for your own purposes and agendas. And that is evident too. People who want truth fight for it. Others use misinformation to promote their own ideas. It is about honor and dishonor. And self respect. If people want to be respected, their ideas to be respected, they must make choices that honor that... I find this attack on Red a flag reflecting the crescendo we are experiencing in political news. People are attacking others instead of dealing with the inappropriate and outrageous words and actions from Trump. It is obvious desperation. Who and what Trump is has to be faced. He is not fit as president. And if we want the National Board to continue to stay open, civility is needed. But perhaps that is the goal? Bringing National to the tech board to tick Bopp off? So what is set to happen won’t be discussed? I hope not. We’ve come this far... |
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From: Redhart, [DNS_Address]
Subject: Re: "brown people are evil and deserve to be in cages"
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I agree etc., it is a reflection of what's going on. We all kind of knew that things were probably going to get uglier before better. That's too bad, but the only way to the other side of this is a straight line through. We've all seen those boards get very crazy when politics get crazy (like during campaigns). I came to the conclusion it was better to just make a statement and move on, than participate in personality games and long threads of back and forths, which never seemed to really go anywhere in the end, anyway, and only seemed to increase animosity than resolve it. Those that like those games, don't seem to like that very much. In my attempt to "move on" and be more civil, it seems to have agitated some. I would rather say "go fish" than retaliate or snark. I would rather put up a source backed up warning than post a diatribe that's sure to ruffle feathers even more. So shoot me lol. To sit back and allow things I know misinformation, propaganda or blatant, never worked well. I believe by ignoring it before, it grew into what we have now on the national stage...an administration based on conspiracy theory, greed, team loyalty politics, totalitarialism, white nationalism and unfettered corruption. We now have a president who follows these same conspiracy sources, refuting fact from his own experts, and using my tax money--and yours, and everyone elses, to chase them all over the world to attempt to prove them...often over and over when they come up empty as everyone told him they would be. How nuts is that? How nuts has it become? I didn't speak out at first years ago when someone posted conspiracy articles based on no fact. I panned them, thinking them whackos who were not affecting anything in a real way. Let them have their fun, I thought. Why make wave when they probably weren't hurting anyone chasing unicorns. I admit I was wrong, and have corrected that view in myself. Long ago in my younger years I was willing to exchange a polite nod and keep my thoughts to myself to "keep the peace"...well, it doesn't look so peaceful now out there. When we condone by our silence those things we knew were wrong, then there's the responsibility to correct that course and learn and attempt to be part of the solution rather than the problem (or ignoring the problem). If I am attacked for no longer nodding and being silent, I'm okay with that. I sleep much better at night. |
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From: etc., [DNS_Address]
Subject: Re: "brown people are evil and deserve to be in cages"
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It’s like a war and people join up and fight with all they have. I thank you for your service Red. It is a good thing we didn’t know in the beginning how long this would go on and the path it would take. Now looking back, I am in awe any of us survived thus far. That our democracy has. It’s tattered for sure, as are we. But we put our shoulder to the pile and heave anyway. Patriots don’t give up. And I believe in the dream, of our forefathers, of JFK, of Martin Luther King. As a descendent of Alexander Hamilton, how can I give up? We come from the beginning of this country. And we will strive to keep it intact, and then in making it better. It’s in our genes. Not sure what’s in the genes of those others ;) It sure hasn’t helped them in discernment. It’s the ego thing I guess. People either put out a hand a hand to help, or give a big mean push. |
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From: Redhart, [DNS_Address]
Subject: Re: "brown people are evil and deserve to be in cages"
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Cool..I'm a descendant of John Quincy Adams lol. I'm here for the duration. Hang in there, etc. I love your posts and you always have my attention (even if I don't respond). I still believe our country is worth fighting for even with the most humble weapons of keyboard or pen. I think our grandfathers would have approved. |
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From: JimW, [DNS_Address]
Subject: Re: Well said, etc. I agree with you(NT)
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From: Alan, [DNS_Address]
Subject: Re: "brown people are evil and deserve to be in cages"
URL: The 8 Best Fact-Checking Sites for Finding Unbiased Truth
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chatillion - your bottom of the dung heap sources fail the most basic of sniff tests - what is there to discuss? With deliberate misinformation campaigns and the continued prevalence of fake news, fact-checking sites are now more important than ever. So in the digital era, where news travels quickly through multiple channels, how do you check your facts? Here are five of the best fact-checking websites, like Snopes and PolitiFact, so that you can find the truth. Here's a crash course for you, as you seem to think that any media bias fact checking are a conspiracy against your extreme right wing white supremacy agenda. Six questions that will tell you what media to trust You may encounter media today from any number of sources, from traditional news sources to social media to email. How do you know what to trust? Ask these six questions and they will unlock whether something is trustworthy. It’s easier than you think. They will make you a more critical thinker and save you from being misled. |
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From: chatillion, [DNS_Address]
Subject: Re: "brown people are evil and deserve to be in cages"
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Thanks, Alan. I've been well aware of this sort of test and how to apply them for probably before you were old enough to be aware of them. It won't be apparent to those who are conditioned to refuse to consider any viewpoint other than their own. It is also pointless to try to discuss anything with those who have no respect for others, referring to their choice of sources with barnyard or grade-school labels. And it seems that you have a problem with colors or the lack thereof, as you continually bring it up. It might help to get rid of that hangup. |
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From: Redhart, [DNS_Address]
Subject: Re: "brown people are evil and deserve to be in cages"
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Respect is not the same as agreeing, or bowing to another. If you and your family showed up at my door in need of shelter, it would be given. You would be fed. You would be treated kindly and with respect. If you mean "respect" that I must agree with you, and never speak my mind when I hear something obviously wrong...that's not the same thing. But, I promise not to put you in a cage and treat you like a human being. I will fight for your right to have a voice and vote. But I insist on having my own, as well..and claim the right to express them (whether on ideas, articles or sources). |
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From: JimW, [DNS_Address]
Subject: Re: "brown people are evil and deserve to be in cages"
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From: Alan, [DNS_Address]
Subject: Re: "brown people are evil and deserve to be in cages"
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You really don' get it it do you. It's as if you are cooking from a Trump recipe book with mouldy and foul smelling ingredients that are sourced from the trash can. You serve up each rotten course and seem surprised that we don't make happy appreciative food noises and ask for the recipe, then you take offence and get in a huff when we point out you're simply serving up shit gruel, which you believe is cordon bleu. And it seems that you have a problem with colors or the lack thereof, as you continually bring it up. It might help to get rid of that hangup. My problem is only with folk that think the color of their skin gives them an innate superiority over others.  |
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From: Lily, [DNS_Address]
Subject: Re: ...another toxic Monday Bopp... think I'll sit out another round
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Did you write that diatribe to convince yourself you are not a bully. You name call and ridicule posts constantly with bopps blessing. You are a typical bully. Your posts are not to inform. We all know where we stand. No need for you to point it out. No one new is going to show up anyway. You will also take them out. You seem to have the need to place yourself on a higher plane than anyone else. I’m done now. I’ll be back to post some american thinker posts tomorrow for you to slam and call me names. |
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From: JimW, [DNS_Address]
Subject: Re: ...Actually, Lily........
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You are jealous of Redhart. It is so obvious. Redhart and I deal in facts, truth and accuracy. You don't |
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From: Lily, [DNS_Address]
Subject: Re: ...Actually, Lily........
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That is sick. Why in the hell would I be jealous of her. I would never want to be like her. |
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From: Redhart, [DNS_Address]
Subject: Re: ...another toxic Monday Bopp... think I'll sit out another round
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I set down that post to draw my own boundaries and reflect your accusations back on those that seem to think it's their right to attack me because I stand my ground on my own principals. Do with it what you will. |
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From: Nevada, [DNS_Address]
Subject: Re: ...another toxic Monday Bopp... think I'll sit out another round
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Apparently you have a fan club Lily... ...such devotion and commitment. |
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From: Eve, [DNS_Address]
Subject: Re: ...another toxic Monday Bopp... think I'll sit out another round
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You got what you fished for most likely with provocation bait. |
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From: Nevada, [DNS_Address]
Subject: Re: ...another toxic Monday Bopp... think I'll sit out another round
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...some people prefer to bully and badger rather than seek meaningful dialogue... ...just the way god made us I suppose. Thanks for stopping by Lily. |
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From: JimW, [DNS_Address]
Subject: Re:Nevada, your post describes you, apply it to You not us(NT)
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From: JimW, [DNS_Address]
Subject: Re: Lee, you are not stopping, same old arrogant preaching(NT)
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