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From: JTRIV, [DNS_Address]
Subject: Hate speech, where is the line Mr. Bopp?
URL: 16 year old Israeli Girl arrested for forcing 13-year-old into prostitution
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Hi Mr. Bopp, Where is the line on hate speech here? chatillion regularly posts here antisemitic stuff and has been for years. But this one today just feels like it crossed a line. The link above is to a story we have heard too often, someone forcing a minor into prostitution. Searching to see if the story was true I found too many stories of 13 year olds being forced into prostitution. But IMO it crosses into hate speech when it says this: "THIS is the end result of Judaic/Torah indoctrination–a violent, gangster mindset that has no qualms about engaging in whatever criminal activity is necessary if the end result–the aggressor’s demands being met–is achieved, and if teenagers in Israel are willing to engage in this, imagine what their older, more ‘mature’ members of the tribe are willing to do on an international and geo-political scale." I'm sorry but that is just hate speech opportunistically taking advantage of a tragedy that happens all too often to express hatred for Jews. Jim |
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From: Jeff/Lake Almanor,CA, [DNS_Address]
Subject: This is simply the stupid Bull Shit of Religion at play
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Has nothing to do with our Creator, or as I would say God. It's a way to control and divide. Always has. It's full blown BullCrap. I know there is a God, but it's certainly not what anyone else would think. And that is exactly how it is designed to be. A personal belief. So Stop fighting over it already. It a sickness to do so, and totally unproductive and dangerous. |
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From: JTRIV, [DNS_Address]
Subject: Re: This is simply the stupid Bull Shit of Religion at play
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Hi Jeff, Appreciate your words as always... but if we don't speak up, who will? Cheers Jim |
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From: RIG, [DNS_Address]
Subject: Re: Hate speech, where is the line Mr. Bopp?
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Have you read any of the Torah, or the Bibles Old Testament?... the bits of History describing the peoples therein and thereof... is it anti-semitic to speak the truth?... or is this like it's ok for black folk to use the N-word but no one else and especially not white folk?... |
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From: JTRIV, [DNS_Address]
Subject: Re: Hate speech, where is the line Mr. Bopp?
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Hi RIG, I've read, I've known Jews, I understand. I just didn't realize you were antisemitic enough to say "is it anti-semitic to speak the truth?" about hate speech. I mean do you really think "Judaic/Torah indoctrination" had anything to do with a 16 year old forcing a 13 year old into being raped? You ask me if I've read.... well are you saying you've read something in the Torah or Old Testament that supports in some way a 16 year old forcing a 13 year old to have sex??? When I fact checked the story I found similar stories.... except they were domestic stories with white, black and Hispanic perpetrators and victims. To me this is simply hate speech, written by an antisemitic author and put in sources for people full of hate who like to post antisemitic and anti-Israel stuff. There is a fine line between free speech and hate speech and I think it crosses the line by taking a story that pretty much everyone finds repulsive and falsely attributes the horrors in that story to a people and their religion. Cheers Jim |
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From: Nevada, [DNS_Address]
Subject: ...this is where you might explain god telling Abraham to...
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...butcher his kid. Never could come to terms with that particular aspect of god the creator. That doesn't make me anti semitic does it? Can't we just learn to love and go on to the next lesson? |
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From: mr bopp, [DNS_Address]
Subject: Re: ...this is where you might explain god telling Abraham to...
| this thread belongs on cbibrel... |
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From: JTRIV, [DNS_Address]
Subject: Re: Sorry Mr. Bopp
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Sorry Mr. Bopp. I just thought a discussion of hate speech should be on the tech support board. I'm not sure why people want to have a religious discussion here. I don't see this as about religion. I've never seen hatred of Jews as being a religious idea. Jim |
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From: RIG, [DNS_Address]
Subject: Re: Sorry Mr. Bopp
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Where might this alleged "hatred of Jews" come from?... couldn't be because their Holy Book/God sanctioned hatred for it's followers (Jewish people) to enact in various ways that range from the seemingly benign to the truly malignant... could it?... "I'm not sure why people want to have a religious discussion here"... then you really don't understand even though you've "read and known"... you're wanting to compartmentalize again, and you can't do that with an honest and open discussion about Jewish people and how those not of them (ya know that wonderfully religious sanctioned racist term: Goyim) react to them and how they have treated others... talking from a historical perspective from "Biblical" to modern... |
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From: JTRIV, [DNS_Address]
Subject: Re: RIG, you actually want to justify hatred of Jews???
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That's fucked up dude. |
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From: RIG, [DNS_Address]
Subject: Re: What I said was quite clear...
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I'm not justifying anything, I'm pointing out simple natural reactions to the Jewish peoples interaction, treatment, and view towards the "Goyim" (those not of the Jewish Faith/People) as JUSTIFIED by their Holy Book/God... every action induces an equal reaction... basic psychology... now JTRIV, try not to twist the intent of my words... ;) |
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From: Nevada, [DNS_Address]
Subject: ...often the "reaction" exceeds the initial action...
| ...and we all know where that leads. |
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From: RIG, [DNS_Address]
Subject: Re: Yup!...(NT)
| (NT) |
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From: Nevada, [DNS_Address]
Subject: ...that may be "fucked up"...
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...but I think it's protected by the first amendment. When protected free speech rights come to "push or shove", other laws come into play to protect Jews or anyone else. Which takes us back to your original question to bopp which remains unanswered, where is the line? My opinion is that Chatillon did not cross the line. Nor is she likely to. If she does, I'll have a lot more to day. As usual. |
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From: mr bopp, [DNS_Address]
Subject: Re: ...that may be "fucked up"...
| you'll know when a line is crossed...and you should already know that since you cross them repeatedly... |
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From: Nevada, [DNS_Address]
Subject: ...seems to be a rather abstract line you draw these days bopp...
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...setting it down somewhat arbitrarily to trip me up, and then quickly redrawing it just enough to let ryan through. Fair enough. Just wondering why you didn't tell Jim directly in the first place? I think it's a good question to ask here, I just don't see it from his perspective. Give my best to ryan next time you see him. |
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From: mr bopp, [DNS_Address]
Subject: Re: ...seems to be a rather abstract line you draw these days bopp...
| it sucks to be you, eh? |
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From: RIG, [DNS_Address]
Subject: Re: An admission of guilt, good job ryan/bopp, First Steps and all....(NT)
| (NT) |
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From: Nevada, [DNS_Address]
Subject: Re: ...seems to be a rather abstract line you draw these days bopp...
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...not at all... I enjoy getting to know both of you. Today's thunder shower was just icing on the cake. |
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From: JTRIV, [DNS_Address]
Subject: Re: hate speech is protected by the 1st Amendment
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Hi Nevada, Hate speech is protected by the 1st Amendment... so this isn't a 1st Amendment issue. chatillion's stream of hate speech is protected by the 1st Amendment. But Boppland doesn't adhere to the US Constitution but on the But you seem to have trouble with a bigger issue than the hate speech versus freedom of speech issue. You seem to find it acceptable for these anti-Jewish news outlets to claim the horrible crime was "the end result of Judaic/Torah indoctrination". I say they just pulled this out of their ass as a way to slander Jews. But RIG, chatillion and yourself seem to want to justify what is clearly hate speech as acceptable behavior. There has been the opportunity to explain why this is justified and chatillion... well is chatillion. Not going there. RIG acts like if I knew anything about Jews I would know better and then reverted to his typical "system programming" BS. You seem sensitive to the word "antisemitic" and you've talked a bit about certain religions attitudes toward women and the Old Testament. But do you think it is anything but hate speech for neoNazi websites to take news articles from the Middle East and add false things and present it as news? Again I contend that the author of the article (not chatillion) created hate speech by blaming Jewishness for a sex crime that clearly had no relationship to race or religion. A web search finds only neoNazi websites contain that news article with the hate speech. I don't blame chatillion as chatillion is just going to cut and paste anti-Jewish articles she finds on her neoNazi websites. But I thought it appropriate to ask Mr. Bopp where the line was. I didn't expect the weird turn this thread has taken. Cheers Jim |
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From: chatillion, [DNS_Address]
Subject: Re: hate speech is protected by the 1st Amendment
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Hold it right there, MISTER JTR the 4th! No justification shtuff involved. This is a matter of actions of that Tribe and reactions of those not of that tribe. Your branding of websites I post from as Neo-nazi is entirely false. You are the one visiting this sort of web-sites, not I. Notice I don't link to places such as Stormfront, etc. After looking at it--thanks to your pointing it out--I wonder what you are doing visiting such places. 'Stream of hate speech'? You are conflating. Posts relating actions of that particular tribe is pointing out their actions. It is not hate. Me being an anti-Semite? Do you really know what and who are the true Semites? Apparently you don't. Or you wouldn't throw that epithet around so casually, or call me such. As far as programming--have you read Deuteronomy or Joseph? or the whole of the Torah? or un-abridged Talmud dealing with the Other? A whole slue of anti-Gentile hate was included in one of my responses to you. If you think this is just cherry-picking, you are wrong. These true believers of hate have been immersed in this sort of anti-Gentile hatred since they were at their mothers' breast. Don't believe it? Go and find out. And yes, conditioning has everything to do with action. Shulamit was right--and she still is. |
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From: JTRIV, [DNS_Address]
Subject: Re: hate speech is protected by the 1st Amendment
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Hi chatillion, > Your branding of websites I post from as Neo-nazi is entirely false. Really? So IHR isn't a neoNazi website? Videos from people like Mark Weber and Ernst Zundel which we have discussed aren't neoNazi videos coming from neoNazi websites??? Bullshit! You promoted that Mark Weber video which I watched and we discussed... when it is nothing more than neoNazi historical revisionism promoting Hitler and the Third Reich and was blatantly false as I showed in our discussion. > Me being an anti-Semite? Do you really know what and who are the true Semites? Apparently you don't. Or you > wouldn't throw that epithet around so casually, or call me such. Funny you say that. The link to the hate speech under discussion that you provided is from a website called "The Ugly Truth" which labels itself "Intelligent 'anti-Semitism' for thinking Gentiles", LOL You want to play innocent and act like I came up with the label anti-Semitic just to be mean to you when in fact the information you offer promotes itself as information for anti-Semitic people such as yourself. Much of your post is more justification for your hatred of Jews which is reminiscent of how people at a KKK rally justify their attitude towards blacks. Jim |
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From: chatillion, [DNS_Address]
Subject: Re: hate speech is protected by the 1st Amendment
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>Really? So IHR isn't a neoNazi website? Videos from people like Mark Weber and Ernst Zundel which we have discussed aren't neoNazi videos coming from neoNazi websites??? Bullshit! You promoted that Mark Weber video which I watched and we discussed... when it is nothing more than neoNazi historical revisionism promoting Hitler and the Third Reich and was blatantly false as I showed in our discussion. Revisionism is NOT anti-Semitism. That is your definition, your label. You showed nothing of the kind. You showed your refusal to consider the other side of the story. > > Me being an anti-Semite? Do you really know what and who are the true Semites? Apparently you don't. Or you > wouldn't throw that epithet around so casually, or call me such. Funny you say that. The link to the hate speech under discussion that you provided is from a website called "The Ugly Truth" which labels itself "Intelligent 'anti-Semitism' for thinking Gentiles", LOL You really don't know who and what the true Semites are? You are conflating again. Again: Pointing to the truth about the behavior of that certain tribe of chosenites is not hate. And the truth can be ugly. |
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From: RIG, [DNS_Address]
Subject: Re: hate speech is protected by the 1st Amendment
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"Chosenites"... I'm going to have to remember that, thanks... ;) |
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From: JTRIV, [DNS_Address]
Subject: Re: hate speech is protected by the 1st Amendment
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Hi chatillion, > Revisionism is NOT anti-Semitism. While neoNazi historical revisionism and anti-Semitism typically go hand it hand I never said historical revisionism was anti-Semitism. You seem confused on this point. Revisionism comes from neoNazis websites and neoNazi views. That is why people want to revise history just as Mark Weber's dishonest speech tried to make Hitler appear to be the good guy from a historical perspective. You keep talking about people refusing to consider "the other side of the story" yet in all the years you have claimed there was another side of the story all you can do is point to neoNazi material which doesn't pass the BS test. The side of the story you prefer is a bunch of Jew hating folks trying to claim the Nazis were the good guys to justify current hatred for Jews. If there was any substance this historical revisionism would be driven by new facts coming to light instead of just dishonest claims by neoNazis. > You really don't know who and what the true Semites are? > You are conflating again. I realize you would prefer to debate who the true Semites are instead of seeing that the material you post openly claims to be anti-Semitism... but facts are facts. If you post hate speech from a website claiming to be "Intelligent 'anti-Semitism' for thinking Gentiles" don't be offended and try to redefine the terms when it is pointed out that this material is anti-Semitic. Jim |
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From: Nevada, [DNS_Address]
Subject: ...Jim, wasn't your intent a ruling from Bopp?
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...we should be having the "current" discussion somewhere else, and bopp should answer your initial inquiry so we can all move on to a better space. I respect your perspective, but this is not quite the best place. |
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From: JTRIV, [DNS_Address]
Subject: Re: ...Jim, wasn't your intent a ruling from Bopp?
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Hi Nevada, Sure, this is winding down. Herr Bopp has spoken. But I think it was reasonable to point out that while all 3 of you have bristled at the word anti-Semitic the website carrying this hate speech brands itself as "Intelligent 'anti-Semitism' for thinking Gentiles". You have to appreciate the irony of that. Cheers Jim |
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From: chatillion, [DNS_Address]
Subject: Re: ...Jim, wasn't your intent a ruling from Bopp?
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And who is it who consistently uses that handy little epithet to browbeat and attempt to shut off dialog? I'm done. |
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From: JTRIV, [DNS_Address]
Subject: Re: ...Jim, wasn't your intent a ruling from Bopp?
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Hi chatillion, > And who is it who consistently uses that handy little epithet to browbeat and attempt to shut off dialog? Hold on a second. How can you post material from a website claiming to be "Intelligent 'anti-Semitism' for thinking Gentiles" while at the same time complain about being called anti-Semitic??? That's like standing in white robes and hoods at a KKK rally and complaining about being called a racist. Jim |
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From: mr bopp, [DNS_Address]
Subject: Re: ...Jim, wasn't your intent a ruling from Bopp?
| i have spoken... |
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From: RIG, [DNS_Address]
Subject: Re: There's no "weird turn" to this conversation...
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Just the conversation, the discussion... and speaking the Truth... you do want understanding, yes?... because as I mentioned elsewhere, it's fairly obvious you really don't understand... just sayin'... |
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From: JTRIV, [DNS_Address]
Subject: Re: There's no "weird turn" to this conversation...
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Hi RIG, More empty rhetoric. You want to talk about what I don't understand, but notice none of you who hate Jews seem to be able offer any intelligent explanation. You even went so far as to say "is it anti-semitic to speak the truth?" just to show your racism. Just keep on digging that hole as youtry to justify your hatred of Jews. Keep on diggin dude. Cheers Jim |
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From: RIG, [DNS_Address]
Subject: Re: There's no "weird turn" to this conversation...
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First because you didn't respond to it and it is just as pertinent to this response... "I'm not justifying anything, I'm pointing out simple natural reactions to the Jewish peoples interaction, treatment, and view towards the "Goyim" (those not of the Jewish Faith/People) as JUSTIFIED by their Holy Book/God... every action induces an equal reaction... basic psychology... now JTRIV, try not to twist the intent of my words... ;)" Now, to continue... I don't hate "Jews" (you keep using that term, isn't that derogatory? Shouldn't you be using the term "Jewish"?)... some of my favorite entertainers are Jewish, some of those are Pro Israel (unfortunate but understandable), and some are Jewish by ethnicity only, meaning they're Non-Practicing in regards to the Judaic Faith... some of those taking a stand against Their Faith, some taking a right and proper stand against Israel, some just saying fuck it and going Atheist... So yeah, as usual whenever you bring up this topic, you're off the mark in regards to me and I suspect a few others here including Chatillion... so no digging here on my end, but hey you keep going, maybe you'll get to China... ;) Anyway, here's some Lewis Black for ya... ;) |
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From: mr bopp, [DNS_Address]
Subject: Re: Sorry Mr. Bopp
| maybe wowows then...your original post was proper to this board but the rest has just gotten weird... |
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From: JTRIV, [DNS_Address]
Subject: Re: Sorry Mr. Bopp
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Hi Mr. Bopp, I don't disagree that it got a little weird. Strange religious arguments and people seem overly sensitive to the word antisemitism. But I will point out that you never commented to the original question if the article posted crossed the line from the normal anti-Jewish postings and free speech to hate speech. Places that host hate speech are starting to get a hard time on the internet and even though this site isn't on Google someone is going to get offended... especially since one of the boards here often looks like the neoNazis at Stormfront or The Daily Stormer. Cheers Jim |
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From: JTRIV, [DNS_Address]
Subject: Re: Hate speech, where is the line Mr. Bopp?
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Hi RIG, We can disagree... but you aren't saying anything of substance to disagree about. So I'll ask you again: Do you really think "Judaic/Torah indoctrination" had anything to do with a 16 year old forcing a 13 year old into being raped? You ask me if I've read.... well are you saying you've read something in the Torah or Old Testament that supports in some way a 16 year old forcing a 13 year old to have sex??? Because what I see as hate speech is the claim that this horror story is because of "Judaic/Torah indoctrination". What parts do you think I'm leaving our when comparing some domestic case where a child is forced into sex? How does the "Judaic/Torah indoctrination" fit into this story other than has an antisemitic tirade? Do we see masses of Jewish teens physically forcing younger Jewish teens to have sex? Is this a common thing and I'm just missing it? I would think if this is due to "Judaic/Torah indoctrination" this would be much more common. The reason I say this is hate speech is the whole child being forced to sex was from "Judaic/Torah indoctrination" seems wrong... but if I am naive and this is really a common that and is really due to "Judaic/Torah indoctrination" why hasn't anyone been able to show it? Cheers Jim |
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From: Nevada, [DNS_Address]
Subject: Re: Hate speech, where is the line Mr. Bopp?
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...I'm not a scholar on religions, but it's been my experience that faiths deriving part of their genesis from the old testament put women at the back of the pack. Is that antisemitic? I could name a number of religions that either have had that issue or still do. I was raised in the Mormon faith and it certainly puts women behind the husband, with backing from the bible. Perhaps Chatillon's post should have been more expansive but that doesn't qualify as a hate post in my opinion. |
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From: JTRIV, [DNS_Address]
Subject: Re: Hate speech, where is the line Mr. Bopp?
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Hi Nevada, I'm not sure why this should be about religion... but I was never fond of the story of Job. I just couldn't get there. Never the less the point was this passage from the author: "THIS is the end result of Judaic/Torah indoctrination–a violent, gangster mindset that has no qualms about engaging in whatever criminal activity is necessary if the end result–the aggressor’s demands being met–is achieved, and if teenagers in Israel are willing to engage in this, imagine what their older, more ‘mature’ members of the tribe are willing to do on an international and geo-political scale." And my contention is that a horrific news story about one teen girl forcing a younger teen girl into prostitution/child rape hat nothing to do with Judaic/Torah indoctrination. It isn't an old testament thing and it isn't a Torah thing. While true that many religions place the at the back of the pack that isn't a connection to "Judaic/Torah indoctrination" any more than we can blame other crimes against women against any religion. Someone took a real and horrific news story and added with their hatred for Jews opportunistically to it with that Judaic/Torah indoctrination. Come on Nevada, it is obvious that hate filled anti-Jewish people who troll news on Israel, found this story and added the "THIS is the end result of Judaic/Torah indoctrination" purely out of their hate for Jews. chatillion didn't author the hate speech, she just promotes it with all her other anti-Jewish people bullshit. That news story with the hate speech was only on a limited number of websites that are all anti-Jewish. By the way... do you prefer it if I say anti-Jewish instead of antisemitic? Because you seem to choke on that word while it is clear this type of article is not fact based but hate based due to certain people's hatred of Jews. Cheers Jim |
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From: RIG, [DNS_Address]
Subject: Re: Hate speech, where is the line Mr. Bopp?
| You're being purposefully obtuse... |
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From: mr bopp, [DNS_Address]
Subject: Re: Hate speech, where is the line Mr. Bopp?
| that was a short 24 hours...and a vapid response...if you wish to continue this discussion take it to cbibrel or wowows please...thanks... |
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From: RIG, [DNS_Address]
Subject: Re: Hate speech, where is the line Mr. Bopp?
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Sorry if you can't tell time... ;) And nah, this has pretty much run it's course, besides JTRIV is too busy with his own agenda and twisting the conversation instead of embracing an open and honest discussion... And this should cheer ya up ryan/bopp, I'm going on vacation and likely wont have that much internet access, gone for the better part of a month... think of it as a gift and you can run at full steam hypocrisy without me calling you on your bullshit... ;) |
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From: JTRIV, [DNS_Address]
Subject: Re: Hate speech, where is the line Mr. Bopp?
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Hi RIG, Enjoy your vacation, grandkids are awesome! Cheers Jim |
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From: ryan, [DNS_Address]
Subject: Re: Hate speech, where is the line Mr. Bopp?
| have a nice vacation rig... |
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From: RIG, [DNS_Address]
Subject: Re: Hate speech, where is the line Mr. Bopp?
| Thank you... goin' to see my Grandkids... ;) |
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From: ryan, [DNS_Address]
Subject: Re: Hate speech, where is the line Mr. Bopp?
| lucky them...lol... |
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From: JimW, [DNS_Address]
Subject: Re: JTRIV, very well said, accurate and truthful(NT)
| (NT) |
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From: RIG, [DNS_Address]
Subject: Re: Hate speech, where is the line Mr. Bopp?
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Dude, yer killin' me here... I gotta go shower, go to bed, and get up early for a 24 hour shift... ;) Torah/OT saying for people (Chosen?) to force others to do something?... are you sure you've read them???... and really understood them???... Masses and Common... never said anything about masses or common... and why would it indicate that there should be or would be?... seems like a weak argument... yet, why?... hmmm... I dunno, Israel having it's fangs sunk into the US with influence galore, tells our society what it should think couldn't be part of that equation... could it?... Anyway, good night... don't let the Golems get you... ;) |
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From: ryan, [DNS_Address]
Subject: Re: Hate speech, where is the line Mr. Bopp?
| ah...24 hours...nice... |
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From: RIG, [DNS_Address]
Subject: Re: Hate speech, where is the line Mr. Bopp?
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Ah, a personal attack cloaked in civility... your hypocrisy is showing, as usual, ryan/bopp... ;) |
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From: ryan, [DNS_Address]
Subject: Re: Hate speech, where is the line Mr. Bopp?
| lol... |
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From: RIG, [DNS_Address]
Subject: Re: Yes, your issues have been running so long, it is rather LOL...
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In that LOL as really meaning Sad kind of way... but then, I can only guess that's what following Gurdjieff's teachings does to a person... you might want to look at some others from that era (thereabouts)... Blavatsky, Guido von List, a few others... |
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From: RIG, [DNS_Address]
Subject: Re: Hate speech, where is the line Mr. Bopp?
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Funny, I don't see myself as being "anti-semitic" at all... of course I find the term "anti-semitic" suspect to begin with... as for this being "hate speech", is it really?... I tend to disagree... as for humanity and it's various ethnic groupings, don't all have their issues?... and is it bad to discuss them?... or is it enough to read, to have known, and to understand, but heaven forbid talk about it openly... is this what you're saying?... Back to the specific subject matter, it seems as though your having issue with a specific aspect of this specific situation... of which all the others you discovered share only the commonality of young teens/girls forced into prostitution... it seems like you want to compartmentalize, take out the parts you don't want to accept as being a part of the issue, and look at them all through the same lens... when they would probably be best viewed on an individual basis incorporating all aspects of information... case by case... |
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From: chatillion, [DNS_Address]
Subject: Re: Hate speech
    An Israeli supporter of a soldier charged with shooting a wounded Palestinian holds a placard calling for the genocide of Palestinians | Photo: Reuters  http://yournewswire.com/israeli-religious-leader-suggests-poisoning-palestinian-water-supply/"> Rabbi Shlomo Mlmad, chairman of the Council of Rabbis in West Bank settlements, urged fellow Israelis to poison the water supply in order to deal with the ‘Palestinian problem’. ********** “Those who are incapable of attaining to supreme religious values include the black colored people and those who resemble them in their climates. Their nature is like the mute animals. Their level among existing things is below that of a man and above that of a monkey.” ~ Maimonides We will legally define the Talmud as the basis of the Israeli legal system. ~ Benjamin Netanyahu "The Jews are called human beings, but the non-Jews are not humans. They are beasts." ~ Talmud: Baba mezia, 114b "A pregnant non-Jew is no better than a pregnant animal." ~ Coschen hamischpat 405 "The souls of non-Jews come from impure sprits and are called pigs." ~ Jalkut Rubeni gadol 12b "Although the non-Jew has the same body structure as the Jew, they compare with the Jew like a monkey to a human." ~ Schene luchoth haberith, p. 250 b "If you eat with a Gentile, it is the same as eating with a dog." ~ Tosapoth, Jebamoth 94b "If a Jew has a non-Jewish servant or maid who dies, one should not express sympathy to the Jew. You should tell the Jew: "God will replace 'your loss', just as if one of his oxen or asses had died." ~ Jore dea 377, 1 "Sexual intercourse between Gentiles is like intercourse between animals." ~ Talmud Sanhedrin 74b "It is permitted to take the body and the life of a Gentile." ~ Sepher ikkarim III c 25 "It is the law to kill anyone who denies the Torah. The Christians belong to the denying ones of the Torah." ~ Coschen hamischpat 425 Hagah 425. 5 "Every Jew, who spills the blood of the godless (non-Jews), is doing the same as making a sacrifice to God." ~ Talmud: Bammidber raba c 21 & Jalkut 772 Treason to whiteness is loyalty to humanity. The goal of abolishing the white race is on its face so desirable that some may find it hard to believe that it could incur any opposition other than from committed white supremacists. ~ Noel Ignatiev, Harvard Magazine, Sep-Oct 2002 "Wars are the Jews’ harvest, for with them we wipe out the Christians and get control of their gold. We have already killed 100 million of them, and the end is not yet." ~ Chief Rabbi in France, in 1859, Rabbi Reichorn "My opinion of Christian Zionists? They're scum, but don't tell them that. We need all the useful idiots we can get right now." ~ Bibi Netanyahu This is what Trotsky, a Jew, was preparing for the Russians for the implementation of Communism, which Marx based on the Babylonian Talmud for Gentiles: "We should turn Her (Russia) into a desert populated with white Niggers. We will impose upon them such a tyranny that was never dreamt by the most hideous despots of the East. The peculiar trait of that tyranny is that it will be enacted from the left rather than the right and it will be red rather than white in color. Its color will be red literally because we would spill such torrents of blood that they will pale all human losses of the capitalist wars and make the survivors shudder. |
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From: JTRIV, [DNS_Address]
Subject: Re: Hate speech
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Hi chatillion, I get it. You hate Jews... that isn't a secret. You can come up with tons of quotes from all the white supremacist and neoNazi websites which is about as useful as the dishonest and revisionist history you believe. If someone wanted to they could show the other side, the death benefits to suicide bombers, the acts of violence by Palestinians. There are no good guys in that conflict, no winners... just losers. But that antisemitic article opportunistically used the rape of a child as a tool to strike out at the Jews you all seem to hate and IMHO that crosses the line to hate speech. Jim |
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From: RIG, [DNS_Address]
Subject: Re: Israel!...(NT)
| (NT) |
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From: chatillion, [DNS_Address]
Subject: Re: Hate speech
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No, you don't get it. And I don't hate jews. |
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From: RIG, [DNS_Address]
Subject: Re: Apparently it's ok for Jewish people to think and act this way...
| I guess the Holocaust (tm) gives them permission... |
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From: JimW, [DNS_Address]
Subject: Re: Hate speech, where is the line Mr. Bopp?
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This is classic chatillion. Been going on for years. Remember this is a person that posts she is proud of White Power and White Supremacy She brags about being "pure Northern European bloodline. She is a strong defender of Hitler. NOTE: commenting on her messages, not her as a messenger. |
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From: Nevada, [DNS_Address]
Subject: Re: Hate speech, where is the line Mr. Bopp?
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...now this is what I would consider classic hate speech, cleverly disguised as genuine compassion. It actually is an attack on Chatillon but definitely on topic. Note: I like both Chatillon and Jim and would love to have tea with either of them, even on short notice. |
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From: JimW, [DNS_Address]
Subject: Re: Nevada, telling the absolute truth is not hate speech, and...
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I consider your post a personal attack. Nothing was "cleverly disguised" I flat out spoke my truth in a way anyone would easily understand. |
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From: Nevada, [DNS_Address]
Subject: Re: Hate speech, where is the line Mr. Bopp?
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...seems pretty mild to be considered "hate" speech. especially when compared to the anti-Trump rhetoric. |
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From: JTRIV, [DNS_Address]
Subject: Re: Hate speech, where is the line Mr. Bopp?
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Hi Nevada, True, but aside from politics this is hate speech against a people and not just political vitriol. In searching the news I found cases in the US where one teen forced another into a situation where they were raped. But if someone said: "THIS is the end result of black/colored indoctrination–a violent, gangster mindset that has no qualms about engaging in whatever criminal activity is necessary if the end result–the aggressor’s demands being met–is achieved, and if teenagers in Israel are willing to engage in this, imagine what their older, more ‘mature’ members of the tribe are willing to do on an international and geo-political scale." Or "THIS is the end result of Mexican/latin indoctrination–a violent, gangster mindset that has no qualms about engaging in whatever criminal activity is necessary if the end result–the aggressor’s demands being met–is achieved, and if teenagers in Israel are willing to engage in this, imagine what their older, more ‘mature’ members of the tribe are willing to do on an international and geo-political scale." Now if someone blamed such a crime on blacks or Mexicans I think everyone would agree it is hate speech. In this case it is just another anti-Jewish post by an antisemitic person. Cheers Jim |
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From: Nevada, [DNS_Address]
Subject: Re: Hate speech, where is the line Mr. Bopp?
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...I respect that this is a delicate issue for you and we may even be on the same page. But I found the posts informative and illuminating... not anti-semitic. Any time you "limit" open dialogue you run the risk of "stopping" dialogue. I'm not ready to take that larger risk at this moment. Members of the Jewish faith have survived bigger threats, as have members of most faiths that I'm familiar with. I appreciate the dialog. |
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From: JTRIV, [DNS_Address]
Subject: Re: Hate speech, where is the line Mr. Bopp?
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Hi Nevada, Well I'm not Jewish and no one in my family is by marriage or otherwise so this issue is not personal in that regard. And I'm certainly not a politically correct type of person. Even the flood of posts showing only one side of that horrible struggle in the Middle East are offensive but not hate speech in my opinion. But I think the line was crossed by the author of that story in using a tragic event in a child rape that happens all too often and claiming it was the result of Judaic/Torah indoctrination. If we blamed such a thing on blacks indoctrination or Hispanic indoctrination it would be seen as hate speech and I think blaming such a horrible thing on Judaic/Torah indoctrination is hate speech. Cheers Jim |
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From: RIG, [DNS_Address]
Subject: Re: Hate speech, where is the line Mr. Bopp?
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Considering how much Hate is regularly leveled at white folk, I'd say it's just the way it is... human is as human does... |
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From: JTRIV, [DNS_Address]
Subject: Re: Hate speech, where is the line Mr. Bopp?
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Hi RIG, > Considering how much Hate is regularly leveled at white > folk, I'd say it's just the way it is... human is as > human does... Are you really trying to say all the wrongs balance out so people shouldn't stand up and object to these wrongs? LMAO SMH Cheers Jim |
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From: RIG, [DNS_Address]
Subject: Re: Hate speech, where is the line Mr. Bopp?
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Not at all... stand up to your hearts content... just don't expect everyone to join you in what you find offensive or triggering... and do you really want another line not to be crossed in this increasingly lopsided Outrage Industry System Programmed Mind Numbed Echo Chamber of a forum?... Figured I'd throw in the System Program bit 'cause I know you love it so much... ;) |
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From: JTRIV, [DNS_Address]
Subject: Re: Please spare me your system programmed BS
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Hi RIG, Please spare me your "system programmed bullshit. You always fall back on that when you have nothing of substance to say and it is really lame. Cheers Jim |
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From: RIG, [DNS_Address]
Subject: Re: Please spare me your system programmed BS
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Nope, it's actually the Truth... and I understand most people having an aversion to that, preferring the Official Story... ;) G'night... |
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From: chatillion, [DNS_Address]
Subject: Re: Hate speech, where is the line Mr. Bopp?
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You still don't get it. That's not what RIG said. That's what you intimated when you brought up cases you say you found in the US and intimated it wasn't so unusual. Therefore according to you posting about the background of the perpetrator in the incident in the original post had to be nothing but anti-Semitic hate. Showing some little of the sort of conditioning mindset the perpetrator grew up in had no bearing on her actions? I think not. Perhaps you may recall the Isreali Jewish youths who kidnapped the Isreali/Palestinian Arab youngster, poured gasoline down his throat and set him on fire, burning him to death and the Ultra-Orthodox jewish youth who tossed a Molotov cocktail through the bedroom window of a sleeping Arab family resulting in the deaths of an infant, his parents and almost killed his brother. These are not isolated instances. Where do you think these perpetrators get their conditioning? You must not be aware of what has been on-going in Palestine these last 70 or more years. |
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From: RIG, [DNS_Address]
Subject: Re: Apparently it's Palestine's fault for standing up to Israeli...
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Oppression, brutality, and destruction... |
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From: chatillion, [DNS_Address]
Subject: Some people seem to think so.(NT)
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From: JTRIV, [DNS_Address]
Subject: Re: Hate speech, where is the line Mr. Bopp?
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Hi chatillion, Most of what you wrote focuses on your obsessive hatred of Jews... but I object to this because it is not true: "Therefore according to you posting about the background of the perpetrator in the incident in the original post had to be nothing but anti-Semitic hate." But it isn't posting "background", at least no one but a Jew hating moron would consider this mere background: "THIS is the end result of Judaic/Torah indoctrination–a violent, gangster mindset that has no qualms about engaging in whatever criminal activity is necessary if the end result–the aggressor’s demands being met–is achieved, and if teenagers in Israel are willing to engage in this, imagine what their older, more ‘mature’ members of the tribe are willing to do on an international and geo-political scale." That isn't background... that is opportunistically using the horror of a child rape as a means of promoting antisemitism. A child being physically forced to have sex happens too often and no matter the circumstances having some Jew hating asshole claim it was "Judaic/Torah indoctrination" is repugnant hate speech. Jim |
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From: JimW, [DNS_Address]
Subject: Re: I agree(NT)
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From: Nevada, [DNS_Address]
Subject: Re: Hate speech, where is the line Mr. Bopp?
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I respect your perspective, just don't see it that way. Perhaps in the future something will happen to help me see it differently. We do continue to share a lot in common and I appreciate that. |
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