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From: Nevada, [DNS_Address]
Subject: ...did ryan leave?
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I thought it was a good strategy. Ryan was like the department of transportations emergency vehicle with the yellow flashing lights telling you to be careful. Bopp on the other hand was the highway patrol guy with siren blasting in full riot gear. Personally, I preferred ryan in the rear view mirror over bopp. By the way, what did happen to Austen and Rig? Will they be back? An answer that goes beyond "yes and no" would be most appreciated. If possible, I'd like to hear a response from both ryan and bopp, but it's your call. |
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From: mos ded, [DNS_Address]
Subject: the double standard here makes facebook look like heaven on earth (NT)
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From: mos ded, [DNS_Address]
Subject: given reaction to even question being posed it must be personal (NT)
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From: mr bopp aka ryan, [DNS_Address]
Subject: Re: ...did ryan leave?
| ryan posted today on the enviro board...bopp rules....as far as trapper and rig, we haven't decided yet... |
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From: Nevada, [DNS_Address]
Subject: I hope both Trapper and Rig return soon...
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...a teeter totter works best with people on both ends. Glad to see Ryan back in action. |
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From: LaMan, [DNS_Address]
Subject: Vote?
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Not as the final say so, but it can't hurt either... Proverbs 11:14 "Where no counsel is, the people fall: but in the multitude of counsellors there is safety." also: Proverbs 15:22 (ASV) Where there is no counsel, purposes are disappointed; But in the multitude of counsellors they are established. |
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From: Akira, [DNS_Address]
Subject: bad idea
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All that will do is create more divisiveness. Bopp should stand his ground, imo. Enough of the bully tactics here. Every time he makes a decision some of you don’t like, the same whiners come here complaining. If you people are so dissatisfied with the way he runs the boards, why don’t you go start your own chat board and see how many people show up and stick around. If people, including myself took more care with posting, Ryan would probably be showing up a lot more than Bopp. IMO |
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From: LaMan, [DNS_Address]
Subject: Re: bad idea
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read it again, "multitude of counselors", not "multitude". There's a reason I suppose from an early age I was drawn to groups and peoples beyond my years and understanding. There's no shame in that |
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From: mr bopp, [DNS_Address]
Subject: Re: bad idea
| thanks akira...after much contemplation and analysis, i will be posting my thoughts and conclusions here relatively soon...i am in agreement with mr tzu... |
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4615
From: Jim W, [DNS_Address]
Subject: Re: Well said, Akira
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When your reasons for posting are based on stirring the pot, putting people down who disagree with you and causing chronic disorder and displaying arrogance gone wild and uncontrolled, what is their value? My only disagreement with Bopp is too long banning them. Try 5 - 10 day time outs first. |
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From: Akira, [DNS_Address]
Subject: Re: Well said, Akira
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I'm neutral on the issue. It won't effect my life whether they're banned or not. It's just so easy to skip posts from people we know will 'trigger' us. But better yet, personally speaking I'd be better off just not letting something someone writes here 'trigger' me at all (it's challenging, I know, but a good exercise) We can react, respond more thoughtfully or just see the poster, skip it & move on. Calling someone arrogant or accusing them of causing chronic disorder on the site is needlessly giving them more power than they deserve. If you think about it, a really 'awful', 'disruptive' post only causes problems because people react to them, causing a cascade of nastiness. If we didn't react, most likely those threads (sub-threads) would die a quick, drama-free death. No oxygen, no fire. Historically it doesn't happen enough here, imo. That can change, but it takes individual will - one post at a time. Anyway, it seems to me that Ryan/Bopp has been working on himself for a long time and is trying to actualize who he is becoming here in this role he's chosen for himself. I just thank you Bopp for persevering, on multiple levels. |
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From: chatillion, [DNS_Address]
Subject: Re: Well said, Akira
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I think (and I may be wrong) that as you said it seems '...Ryan/Bopp has been working on himself for a long time and is trying to actualize who he is becoming...'. I've noticed that, too. Whether it is his EB persona or his personal being or a combination of the two. It does seem that through the years he has been doing some deep personal investigation and work. This is not easy. I've been there any number of times. Would that the path could be made easier and softer; I commend him for sticking with it. And yes, it is best to ignore posts that would set one off. Yet there are some posts that can be surprising growth opportunities if looked at neutrally with open discussion rather than labeling, name calling and put-downs. |
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From: Akira, [DNS_Address]
Subject: Re: Well said, Akira
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"Yet there are some posts that can be surprising growth opportunities" I agree. The obvious tip off is when some one pushes our buttons. That always offers the opportunity of deeper self awareness. |
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From: Nevada, [DNS_Address]
Subject: there are some posts that can be surprising growth opportunities
| ...."bingo"... for sure. |
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From: Jim W, [DNS_Address]
Subject: Re: Akira, you make some good points(NT)
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From: Nevada, [DNS_Address]
Subject: ...a great leader empowers his followers...
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....period. I'd like to see more greatness from our esteemed leader. |
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From: Akira, [DNS_Address]
Subject: Re: ...a great leader empowers his followers...
| Why don't you lead yourself instead of looking for someone to follow? |
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From: Nevada, [DNS_Address]
Subject: Re: ...a great leader empowers his followers...
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I was the father of Community Radio KVMR FM in Nevada City, California back in the 1970's. I was known for practicing what I now preach. I was more interested in helping create great communicators than winning pissing contests. A good leader also knows how and when to be a good follower. I've enjoyed and respect what Bopp does here for years but I believe, from multiple experiences, that a person that puts themselves in a leadership role must learn to accept standards well above the rest of the pack. In the long term, it just doesn't work well any other way. There is no one posting on these boards that I would ban. There are however, several that I would love to take long walks with along the banks of Deer Creek or the forests of Banner Mountain. It has been my good fortune that many of my early volunteer broadcasters surpassed my own meager radio skills several thousand fold over the ensuing years. I wouldn't have had it any other way. For what it's worth Akira, I wish everyone could see things as clearly as you do. |
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From: Akira, [DNS_Address]
Subject: Re: ...a great leader empowers his followers...
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"...a person that puts themselves in a leadership role must learn to accept standards well above the rest of the pack." My impression is that that he does exactly that, but he's still human, I think. As for me, thanks, but I've got lots of blindspots, myself being a big one, buleeve me. |
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From: Nevada, [DNS_Address]
Subject: Re: ...a great leader empowers his followers...
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I think we're all doing just fine. A spiritual/leadership path, while a noble endeavour, is by definition, fraught with adventures. The fact that we are all on the "same page" is probably not an accident. |
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From: Akira, [DNS_Address]
Subject: Re: bad idea
| but I regret sounding like a bitch. Sorry. |
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From: chatillion, [DNS_Address]
Subject: Re: I hope both Trapper and Rig return soon...
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I wholeheartedly second this! We need the other side and the jokesters and the curmudgeons. It would be a dull and too easy world without them. |
4610
From: chatillion, [DNS_Address]
Subject: Re: I hope both Trapper and Rig return soon...
| Trapper says he 'appreciate(s) everyones support' and to 'tell everyone thanks'. |
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From: Nevada, [DNS_Address]
Subject: Re: I hope both Trapper and Rig return soon...
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If you get a chance, would you ask Trapper to control his trap when debating Bopp? Someone has to. And to all, a Merry Christmas. |
4613
From: chatillion, [DNS_Address]
Subject: Actually...
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...you may have just told him. He checks in now and then. And I suspect RIG does, too. |
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From: Nevada, [DNS_Address]
Subject: Re: Actually...
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I've been on both sides of the aisle as it pertains to "free" speech. During the years I played the role of "top dog and resident guru", I quickly learned to not take shit personally. If it was necessary, I met personally with the "offenders" and helped them bridge the "gap" they were experiencing. It always worked. Always. This only works if the "leader" allows it to work and is not "personally" offended by the process. Having said that, what worked for me may not work with the "personalities" involved here. While I recognize and appreciate the skills of both Trapper and Rig, they should know, that unless bopp has a christmas miracle of some sort, their next verbal confrontation probably won't end well. Assuming of course, that the same goes double for me. |
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From: chatillion, [DNS_Address]
Subject: Re: Actually...
| Well, it would be nice if rules were applied equally. There are some who can be as opinionated and confrontational as others--or even more so--yet are given free passes. I'm about through with walking on eggshells. Which is why I studiously avoid even opening posts by certain people. I'll take the chance of missing something interesting or important--it's just not worth it. In fact, is it even worthwhile at all to stick around anymore? |
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From: Nevada, [DNS_Address]
Subject: Re: Actually...
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What you're "saying" is absolutely true. What we're "dealing" with here is not quite so clear. I still learn a great deal here and "learning" continues to be important to me. I don't like that some people get a pass and others get a "home" job. But I don't set the rules or bear the responsibility for their enforcement. The irony is that it's a lot harder for me to play the role of "enlightened" follower here than it was ever for me to play the role of enlightened leader. It's always a challenge isn't it. |
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From: chatillion, [DNS_Address]
Subject: Re: I hope both Trapper and Rig return soon...
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Will do. ;-) And Merry Christmas to you and yours! CC |
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From: mr bopp, [DNS_Address]
Subject: Re: I hope both Trapper and Rig return soon...
| they will probably return next year but i don't expect them to be around very long... |
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From: blindhog 6th Sense, [DNS_Address]
Subject: Re: I hope both Trapper and Rig return soon...
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The only reason to say that is that you know your feelings will be hurt again. |
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From: chatillion, [DNS_Address]
Subject: So do I(NT)
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From: Nevada, [DNS_Address]
Subject: Re: I hope both Trapper and Rig return soon...
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Confusion say an open forum with only one perspective soon have only small handful of active posters... half get scared off and other half gets bored to tears with no one to preach to. Even boss gets bored. You got a long time good thing going, why discourage it? Guidelines are good but sometimes you come way too close to bullying. Like the priest and his parishioners, more is expected from the "power" figure. |
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From: Eve, [DNS_Address]
Subject: Re: I hope both Trapper and Rig return soon...
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teeter totter...figures. |
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From: Nevada, [DNS_Address]
Subject: Re: I hope both Trapper and Rig return soon...
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I actually have an old wooden teeter totter I salvaged from a neighbors yard... probably vintage early 1900's. |
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From: Karen in IL, [DNS_Address]
Subject: Re: ...did ryan leave?
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I think I read that they've been silenced for the rest of the year. Then there are those who purposely put people down directly and they're still here. Heck, I tried to do that myself! I tried to get banned - to no avail. Go figure. |
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From: mos ded, [DNS_Address]
Subject: you'd have had to wipe that smile off your face first! (NT)
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