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From: susanna, [DNS_Address]
Subject: Thank you, Ryan! National ... RIP (NT)
| (NT) |
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From: horst graben, [DNS_Address]
Subject: Re: i fail to see cause for celebration
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the free exchange of ideas is what this nation was founded on ... that's why we bacame a nation ... so people could have freedom of expression once that free exchange was done in the village square ... but now that our entire national paradigm ... this "place" has become ... in a sense ... our village square and ... just as in those times at the birth of our nation ... there were "village idiots" who some found disruptive ... but they were tolerated also ... just so long as their idiocy stopped at the end of my nose now that this controversy continues to rage over the events in Missouri ... it seems to be a poor time to cut off dialogue ... who knows ... someone might even have learned something useful from it all i hear is silence from the national board |
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From: susanna, [DNS_Address]
Subject: Re: i fail to see cause for celebration
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lol. Nice concept if that was what people were doing. Reads more like people jockeying for the head dictator role, to me. Along with venting fear and anger, non-stop. Kind of a bottomless pit. About Missouri: if white folks understood what other people are saying, there would be better understanding. Trying to villify, what you don't understand, gets very old. Especially the constant repitition of shear ignorance. There-in lies a big communication problem that sounds like a bunch of neo-nazis. (to be blunt) Does that help you see another side? |
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From: Jim W., [DNS_Address]
Subject: Re: i fail to see cause for celebration
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Not does it sound like, but it IS neo-nazi belief, deeds, actions and behavior. Look at the admiration of Hitler posted by several of them. |
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From: horst graben, [DNS_Address]
Subject: Re: right or wrong ... we are all entitleld to our opinions
| but if we don't communicate at all then we are all the worse for it ... it may just be that something you write might stike a chord in an otherwise closed mind ... but if you are not able to make that statement ... then there is no gain for anyone ... fear and anger come easy ... it's patience and understanding that's hard |
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From: JTRIV, [DNS_Address]
Subject: Re: some communication is effective, some isn't
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From: horst graben, [DNS_Address]
Subject: Re: yessir ... we believe EVERY WORD YOU SAY
URL: https://firstlook.org/theintercept/2014/02/24/jtrig-manipulation/
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From: blindhog, [DNS_Address]
Subject: Re: yessir ... we believe EVERY WORD YOU SAY
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Hmmm....I've seen this movie before. Is it possible that the playya might be played? |
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From: horst graben, [DNS_Address]
Subject: Re: more mumbo jumbo ... i've had it up to here with cryptic comments
| say what you mean and mean what you say |
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From: Cinnamon in Oregon, [DNS_Address]
Subject: Re: Thank you, Ryan! National ... RIP (NT)
| Hallelujah! |
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From: Bev/Van Isle, [DNS_Address]
Subject: Re: Thank you, Ryan! National ... RIP /lol
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awesome! thanks Ryan High 6 |
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From: RIG, [DNS_Address]
Subject: Re: The Nation ... RIP... fixed that for ya...
| Ah... and the high fives begin... |
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From: chatillion, [DNS_Address]
Subject: Re: The Nation ... RIP... fixed that for ya...
| Surprised? |
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From: RIG, [DNS_Address]
Subject: Re: The Nation ... RIP... fixed that for ya...
| No... |
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From: Jim W., [DNS_Address]
Subject: Re: Another high five LOL(NT)
| (NT) |
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From: mr bopp, [DNS_Address]
Subject: Re: The Nation ... RIP... fixed that for ya...
| now what will you do...lol... |
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From: RIG, [DNS_Address]
Subject: Re: The Nation ... RIP... fixed that for ya...
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Same as I've ever done... speak the Truth... what will you do, besides prove my point... thanks, by the way... ;) |
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From: susanna, [DNS_Address]
Subject: Twilight of the Gods
URL: http://earthboppin.net/talkshop/spiritual/messages/17645.html#17647
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Here's some "Truth" for you, again. http://norse-mythology.org/tales/ragnarok/ in summary: The Twilight of the Gods While some scholars have attempted to portray Ragnarok as being much like the Christian “End Times,” where the world is destroyed once and for all and historical time is abolished, other scholars, such as historian of religions Mircea Eliade[4] and Old Norse philologist Rudolf Simek[5] have realized that the tale of Ragnarok conveys a very, very different message. Given that the accounts of the destruction of the world in the Old Norse primary sources are immediately followed by accounts of its re-creation, the assertion that Ragnarok describes the end of linear history is completely unfounded. A more sensitive reading of the primary sources makes it obvious that what Ragnarok describes is a cyclical end of the world, after which follows a new creation, which will in turn be followed by another Ragnarok, and so on throughout eternity. In other words, creation and destruction are points at opposite ends of a circle, not points at opposite ends of a straight line. With this understanding, we can grasp the meaning of the play on words in the name “Ragnarok,” as was mentioned in the opening paragraph of this article. This cycle of birth, life, death, and rebirth for which Norse mythology provides an archetype occurs at every scale of existence: the cycle of the seasons, of day and night, of the phases of the moon, of the life of any organism, and of the flourishing of life between mass extinctions. The “Twilight of the Gods,” in other words, expresses the meaning the pre-Christian Norse perceived within every physical twilight, every autumn, every waning moon, and every aging being. This, finally, is the heart of the pre-Christian worldview of the Norse and other Germanic peoples: by imbuing existence with these sacred meanings, they sanctified all of existence, and, if they kept the proper mindset, lived their lives immersed in the sacred at every turn. They could say, along with William Blake, “Everything that lives is holy.” |
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From: Sally Kempton, [DNS_Address]
Subject: Re: Twilight of the Gods
| Nonsense |
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From: susanna, [DNS_Address]
Subject: Re: Twilight of the Gods
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To the author of this post, whoever you are. Apparently, you are unfamiliar with pagan beliefs. No true spiritual teacher, would call any true spiritual path nonsense. And there are many paths. Pagans tend to not follow specific religions. They do not bow to a guru. In my experience, that is not disimilar to eastern teachings, the inner paths. A good spiritual teacher will take you within. Not giving your power away to a guru, does have it's advantages. We learn from whatever path we are ready to learn from. Peace |
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From: Sally Kempton, [DNS_Address]
Subject: Re: Twilight of the Gods
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When one is as spiritually advanced as I am you'll learn not to follow beliefs that served as the underpinnings of Nazism, and is as far apart to enlightenment as East is to West. However if that is the path you advocate to learn from then when you learn of your error then I will always embrace you & other lost souls on my courses to help you find yourselves. |
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From: susanna, [DNS_Address]
Subject: Poser - whoever you are
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poser [pō′zər] Use poser in a sentence noun 1.The definition of a poser is a person who pretends to be someone they are not, or a person who attempts to impress others. is this bordering on identity theft? Identity theft is a form of stealing someone's identity in which someone pretends to be someone else by assuming that person's identity... You do a diservice to the person you are pretending to be. There's nothing spiritual about that. |
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From: pamela, [DNS_Address]
Subject: Re: Poser - whoever you are
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Why y'all replying to a troll? As soon as Nisirah(sp?) got lambasted and called on its zionazism started using another handle, in this case Sally. K. "Its" been around a long time here-probably uses aol... this is why Bopp can't trace "it". I noted it confessed to finding this website entertaining as some used to do visiting insane asylums.. does that tell you anything at all? |
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From: susanna, [DNS_Address]
Subject: My bad ... thanks Pam (NT)
| (NT) |
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From: Sally Kempton, [DNS_Address]
Subject: Re: To susanna on the lower rung
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susanna There's absolutely no shame in not being able to afford my forthcoming retreat in Hawaii. I understand your feelings of envy at having to remain on the lower rungs of enlightenment that causes you to lash out. One day you'll be able to reach my exalted plane of being when your situation improves until then try practicing some self-restraint over your negative emotions and avoid misleading 'Germanic' spirituality. Love & peace Sally |
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From: Redhart, [DNS_Address]
Subject: Re: To susanna on the lower rung
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Now she's just an average troll. ...moving on, nothing of importance here. |
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From: Jim W., [DNS_Address]
Subject: Re: To the fake Sally on the lower rung
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I think you are enjoying your game. You are probably a 15 year old boy practicing masturbation as he pictures getting it on with Sally. One question though. Is Sally a blow up sex doll? |
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From: Jim W., [DNS_Address]
Subject: Re: Mmmm, Sally, bragging not spiritual
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Susanna is a very wise woman. She could teach you a lot. Spiritually advanced people don't brag about being spiritually advanced. Your post leaves you with a big credibility gap. |
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From: Redhart, [DNS_Address]
Subject: Re: Mmmm, Sally, bragging not spiritual
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Yes, so far I am left underwhelmed by Sally and her self-proclamations of guru. What is that old saying? Who is more foolish, the fool or the one who follows them (think it was ObiWan lol). I'm definitely smelling condescension, pomposity,self- obsession and "better than you" in all these posts. All of which tell me this is not someone who has reached the pinnacle of spirituality, but one who merely pretends to have found it for pursuant of their own self-ego (another "wannabe"). In other words dear Sally, "go fish"... I'll seek for myself, thank you. Good luck to you. |
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From: Akira, [DNS_Address]
Subject: an observation
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procrastinating when I should be doing something else, but whatever... I've never heard of Sally Kempton, but after looking at the real Sally Kempton's website and comparing it with the posts by that name, I would suggest that the attitude/belief system of the actual woman doesn't appear to be in sync with the poster's. I didn't see anything condescending or judgmental on the website, and I think the ideas expressed in the posts are the poster's, not the real Sally Kempton's. btw, I've noticed that organized religions like christianity are replete with gurus. |
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From: Jim W., [DNS_Address]
Subject: Re: Thank you, Redhart
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I couldn't have said it better. Good to see you participating. |
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From: RIG, [DNS_Address]
Subject: Re: Twilight of the Gods
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Most "Pagans" follow very specific religions, although a few of those are quite open ended... |
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From: susanna, [DNS_Address]
Subject: Re: Twilight of the Gods
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According to most that i know, they say they do not call, what their ceremony and beliefs a "religion" and some do. It is far less dictatorial than religions tend to be. Of course, many honor and respect the differences in their views, as well as celebrate what they share in common. |
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From: susanna, [DNS_Address]
Subject: Re: Twilight of the Gods
URL: https://answers.yahoo.com/question/index?qid=20070817120347AA7vRBE
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This source is calling all of these forms of Paganism, religion. That does not sit well with all of them. It gives a brief definition of the different groups. There are many sources on this topic. How many different types of Pagans are there.? Paleo-paganism: the standard of paganism, a pagan culture which has not been disrupted by "civilization" by another culture -- Australian Bushmen modern (who are probably becoming meso-pagans), ancient Celtic religion (Druidism), the religions of the pre-patriarchal cultures of Old Europe, Norse religion, pre-Columbian Native American religions, etc. Civilo-paganism: the religions of "civilized" communities which evolved in paleo-pagan cultures -- Classical Greco-Roman religion, Egyptian religion, Middle-Eastern paganism, Aztec religion, etc. Meso-paganism: a group, which may or may not still constitute a separate culture, which has been influenced by a conquering culture, but has been able to maintain an independence of religious practice -- many Native American nations, etc. Syncreto-paganism: similar to meso-pagan, but having had to submerge itself into the dominant culture, and adopt the external practices and symbols of the other religion -- the various Afro-diasporic traditions (Voudoun, Santeria, etc.), Culdee Christianity, etc. Neopaganism: attempts of modern people to reconnect with nature, using imagery and forms from other types of pagans, but adjusting them to the needs of modern people. Since this category is the focus of alt.pagan, the listing here is more comprehensive (though no listing could be completely comprehensive): Wicca -- in all its many forms neo-Shamanism neo-Druidism Asatru and other forms of Norse neopaganism neo-Native American practices the range of things labeled "Women's Spirituality" the Sabaean Religious Order Church of All Worlds Discordianism Radical Faeries and other "Men's Spirituality" movements and last, but not least, Paganism |
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From: RIG, [DNS_Address]
Subject: Re: Twilight of the Gods
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Personally I love the term "Pagan"... but sadly it seems to be on the way out as a descriptor, more and more... Pagans... turn their nose up at the term and tend to launch into long diatribes describing what they are... for instance, most Asatru and or Norse Pagans increasingly prefer the term "Heathen", as do those that follow a Teutonic (Germanic) path... if "Pagan" is used, it's more as an umbrella term, and then most again launch into lengthy diatribes about what they are... ultimately it boils down to defining the term "Pagan", most seeing it as the primary term used by first the Romans (Pagan) and then the Christians (Roman/Catholic) as a derogatory term for peoples still following the Old Ways, living in the country and or away from cities and population centers, those that either were conquered by "civilo-Pagans" (Romans) as described in your article, or converted first to Christianity (Roman/Catholic)... it was essentially calling them ignorant rednecks... ;) So, again, Heathen is becoming more popular among some of my brothers and sisters, even though if you trace both words, Pagan and Heathen, they trace to the same ideal... peoples of the Hearth or Heath... country dwellers... and share in the derogatory vibe... shrugs... it's just Pagans with too much time on their hands and being far too intellectual about their path, their Gods, and their relationship therewith... when they'd be better of feeling it a little more... |
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From: susanna, [DNS_Address]
Subject: Re: Twilight of the Gods
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That, also, is what I've found. They prefer spiritual rather than religous among many Druids and others. The use of religion, means there is a person they answer to, dogma, etc,. which does not go over well. More political and dictatorial. Makes sense to me. Others don't mind calling it a religion. Found that more common in the states, than elsewhere. There is no one to say which is right or wrong ... it's all good. I know little about "Heathen". I'm learning from you. :O |
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From: Jim W., [DNS_Address]
Subject: Re: Nonsense?
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A true spiritual teacher would never tell another spiritual being what they say is nonsense. Swami Muktananda would never tolerate that type of attack. I attend the Vedanta Center here in Portland every week and the Swami's there would be very saddened by you claiming what she says is nonsense. We ALL need to stop these personal attacks and pot stirring behavior. "Let there be peace on earth, and let it begin with me" |
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From: mr bopp, [DNS_Address]
Subject: Re: The Nation ... RIP... fixed that for ya...
| no, you speak YOUR truth...same as you've ever done... |
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