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From: old timer, [DNS_Address]
Subject: does no one here believe in civility anymore?
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still damned surprised at ao saying civility is humbug. suppose it shouldn’t be surprising as things such a civility probably don’t mean much to someone without empathy. still it does go a long way towards explaining why the formerly friendly earthboppin is no longer a place for adult discussion and now resembles a schoolyard brawl can i ask what others here think about this end of civility? bopp still talks about his rules of stay on topic and no personal attacks but ao seems to feel civility is dead here and bopp didn’t disagree and simple observation shows civility is dead here thoughts? |
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From: akira, [DNS_Address]
Subject: Re: does no one here believe in civility anymore?
| yes and no |
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From: old timer, [DNS_Address]
Subject: Re: does no one here believe in civility anymore?
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that isn’t uncivil, it’s political humor. people can strongly disagree with each other and still be civil. if it wasn’t for all the hate directed specifically at other posters there wouldn’t be a problem. hell someone can get upset and say fuck you to someone and it isn’t as uncivil and nasty as the constant stream of personal attacks by certain people here on a daily basis |
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From: ryan, [DNS_Address]
Subject: Re: does no one here believe in civility anymore?
| fake civility is definitely humbug... |
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From: old timer, [DNS_Address]
Subject: Re: does no one here believe in civility anymore?
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i feel very sorry for you, obviously you have yet to grasp the power of civility in human discourse |
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From: ryan, [DNS_Address]
Subject: Re: does no one here believe in civility anymore?
| oh i understand it fine...just haven't seen it from you...lol |
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From: old timer, [DNS_Address]
Subject: Re: plenty of civil conversation out there ot, just not here so much
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yes, it is bopp’s call. just the first time i’ve ever heard someone speak out against civility or that this forum officially changed. makes sense considering what we have all observed here. wonder if he will still preach out his rules? |
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From: shadow, [DNS_Address]
Subject: Re: does no one here believe in civility anymore?
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Oh heck yeah! I sure do believe in CIVILITY... But you know who does NOT believe in CIVILITY? The GOP, and anyone who supports them. So. When you all rant on to Mr. Bopp about how UNCIVIL we've become, please remember that what's drawing UNCIVIL RESPONSE from a few of us is the fact that THE CURRENT GOP IS FASCISM, PLAIN AND SIMPLE, AND THERE IS NOTHING *CIVIL* ABOUT FASCISM...so, you're cursing your very own behavior... There is nothing CIVIL about racism. There is nothing CIVIL about religious domination. There is nothing CIVIL about religion-based subjugation of women, and the disappearance of women's rights, freedoms and access to reproductive and other healthcare. There is nothing CIVIL about a party seeking to overthrow the very Spirit of Freedom, Equal Rights and Humanitarian Goodwill this country was founded upon, and replace it with a Fascist, Dictatorial Regime... AND EACH ONE OF YOU WHO KEEPS WHINING ABOUT THE *LOSS OF CIVILITY* HERE ON THIS FORUM ARE, IN THE VERY SAME BREATH, SUPPORTING THE PARTY THAT WILL DO AWAY WITH ANYTHING REMOTELY RESEMBLING *CIVILITY* IN A HEARTBEAT... So...all you GOPers...(and the one who spends so much time screaming about the inhumane failings of the one party within the one country left that gives a flying fuck about resisting global corporacratic rightwing domination, they're oblivious to that fact)...you can all take your *civility* whining and read the mirror in front of your eyes...you don't have a thread to stand on... |
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From: ao, [DNS_Address]
Subject: Re: the new GOP: Trump, Tulsi, RFK, Musk: Demos Harris, Cheneys
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the GOP is a failed party. they don't believe in our laws and need to go. they won't be on the ballot in the future. |
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From: old timer, [DNS_Address]
Subject: Re: the new GOP: Trump, Tulsi, RFK, Musk: Demos Harris, Cheneys
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you really don’t believe in the principles our country was founded on. that is truly disturbing |
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From: ao, [DNS_Address]
Subject: Re: the new GOP: Trump, Tulsi, RFK, Musk: Demos Harris, Cheneys
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Oh, but I do. I just think those principles you speak of dictates criminals, whose stated intent is the destruction of all we hold dear, who deny reality whenever it suits, should not be allowed to participate in governmental affairs.. OT, from where I’m sitting you’re just another religious zealot. You’ve hitched yourself to our modern day Jim Jones and omg have you tried the koolaid? And, no matter, however you like it as shadow reminds us, there are larger vibrations, with much deeper resonance, afoot. So, whatever dude.. |
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From: old timer, [DNS_Address]
Subject: Re: the new GOP: Trump, Tulsi, RFK, Musk: Demos Harris, Cheneys
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do you feel it really helps to say all these things about me just because we disagree politically? to personify everything you don’t like about the gop on me personally? dude our country was founded on people with different views and your small minded hatred of anyone with a different view is one of the most unamerican things i’ve ever seen. it’s like poison |
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From: Awen, [DNS_Address]
Subject: Re: the new GOP: Trump, Tulsi, RFK, Musk: Demos Harris, Cheneys
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" your small minded hatred of anyone with a different view is one of the most unamerican things i’ve ever seen." This is exactly what people with eyes to see say about Donald Trump. I haven't heard him say anything BUT hatred, except for cheerful worship of haters and racists. This is just from watching him speak, listening to his words. I don't need to be told by any party that this is what he stands for, he shouts it to the world himself and has built his entire platform upon hatred and poison. I'm not in alignment with traditional Conservative values, but I would vote for that any day over Trump. Trump is NOT Conservative. He is only Hatred and he flies against anything either party or America has ever stood for. He flies in the face of and utterly violates everything REAL Christianity stands for too. There is nothing Christian in Trump, there is nothing good in Trump. There's not much good in any politics anymore, but Trump openly crosses lines that 20 years ago everyone in America would have condemned him for. He's NOT Conservative, he's just playing you all like puppets and he's doing it based on the hate and condemnation in your hearts, not anything remotely resembling anything that is remotely comprehensible as real Christian values. |
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From: Awen, [DNS_Address]
Subject: Re: the new GOP: Trump, Tulsi, RFK, Musk: Demos Harris, Cheneys
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I'll add: When he first ran for president, in 2016, and was elected... He wasn't the one I voted for. BUT: Despite my intuition, despite the evil I can actively see and saw when he first ran for president, the aura that is clearly visible (and I DON'T see auras, but I can see his...or SOMETHING over him, frankly I'm not sure if it IS him or something using him to feed, but it is absolute evil and draws hatred)... I wrote off what I saw at the time, tried to ignore it...and at the time it WAS vague, I thought it was a projection of my fears. I told people to give Trump a chance, that his hate rhetoric at the time of election WAS simply to manipulate the masses, that he COULDN'T possibly mean it, that even if he did, he wouldn't be able to put forth those policies. I regret it. I genuinely feel that in speaking for tolerance of this man at the beginning, I lost a part of my soul to something wrong, dark, evil. I do refer to Trump as evil as an oversimplification. I don't know what I'm seeing when I look at him, if it is a projection, a part of himself, or some entity pulling his strings, using him as a puppet, but it is dark. Never have I felt that way about anyone or anything else. True, I've seen some pretty heinous people, and knew they were bad, wrong. But it never manifested as the overlay I have seen on Trump, that has only become stronger since he was first elected. And I do wonder about that, because there IS absolute evil in the world and Trump is NOT unique in that respect, there are evil entities. This I know without having to see them. Why whatever is going on with Trump is the only one I actively SEE, I don't know and I can't entirely ignore the possibility that it's somehow a fabrication of my own mind. BUT: I didn't view him as absolute evil when he was first elected. I didn't understand what I was seeing and chose to reject it at the time. So there was no reason at that time for my mind to have formed such a projection. I've mentioned this on this forum before, though not recently, probably several years back. But I know folks don't consider things like this any kind of evidence. It's more than likely just going to cause people to think I'm even crazier than they already think I am. Why Trump? Why no one else although there are people very bit as evil as him, I don't know. But there are times when I have a feeling I SHOULN'T be silent, and this is one of them. Maybe it's not for you, OT, as I doubt it'll change you, but perhaps someone else who needs to see it? I don't know. Normally I refrain from posting on this, as it doesn't contribute to credibility. But I'm feeling an impulse right now that I absolutely should post it. So be it. |
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From: old timer, [DNS_Address]
Subject: Re: the new GOP: Trump, Tulsi, RFK, Musk: Demos Harris, Cheneys
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thank you for sharing your thoughts. what do you think about the topic of civility? shouldn’t we as americans still be civil with each other even if we don’t agree on politics? |
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From: ryan, [DNS_Address]
Subject: Re: the new GOP: Trump, Tulsi, RFK, Musk: Demos Harris, Cheneys
| your nevada impersonation is getting pretty good! |
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From: old timer, [DNS_Address]
Subject: Re: the new GOP: Trump, Tulsi, RFK, Musk: Demos Harris, Cheneys
| he is one of the few civil posters. is that why you no longer let him post? |
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From: mr bopp, [DNS_Address]
Subject: Re: the new GOP: Trump, Tulsi, RFK, Musk: Demos Harris, Cheneys
| he couldn't control himself... |
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From: old timer, [DNS_Address]
Subject: Re: the new GOP: Trump, Tulsi, RFK, Musk: Demos Harris, Cheneys
| you should be honest with the few of us left here |
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From: Nevada, [DNS_Address]
Subject: ...are you suggesting I am out of control ryan?
| ...care to document that? |
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From: mr bopp, [DNS_Address]
Subject: Re: ...are you suggesting I am out of control ryan?
| you documented it yourself over many years...posting off topic crap ad nauseum after many warnings to stop...complaining about this and that and everything on every board you visited...even after i decided your input was not longer of value i still let you read the boards, and even post on one of them...in my infinite wisdom, i finally realized that what you needed most is what you have been given...discuss that with the lizards to your heart's content, and your soul's advancement... |
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From: Nevada, [DNS_Address]
Subject: fair enough ryan, most of the posters on eb do not value my input
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...in fairness to you, your treatment of me has made me a much better communicator during very difficult times. ...even the lizards have noticed the difference. I appreciate that that you took time out to work so closely with my apparent weaknesses. |
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From: Awen, [DNS_Address]
Subject: Re: the new GOP: Trump, Tulsi, RFK, Musk: Demos Harris, Cheneys
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You've been here probably long enough to see me at my worst. All I can say is that I agree we should be more civil, but my genuine fear and anger at the situation very frequently gets the better of me. And I know full well it doesn't help, it only pushes people further away. I also struggle with this and will pose this question to you: When you (a generalized "you" not necessarily you specifically, OT) are confronted by something that you consider wrong, evil, to be feared. When you see something clearly (or think you do, and I'm being both self-referential and hypothetical here), and you cannot comprehend that others do not see that for what it is, and that too, the blindness you perceive in others is terrifying...how do you leave out the emotion the anger and fear and deal with it objectively? I do descend into the general snarking and sniping, though I don't consider it helpful...it's more because at times, my hope is gone. I feel like people are already lost. I also understand that the other side may feel the same way about us. That we are already lost. I don't comprehend how the supporters of Trump feel as they do, but the "how" aside, I understand that many do feel that way, with the same helpless anger on issues they consider important. One of the reasons I have not been posting is because my anger is still so close to the surface. I've said a lot of things I regret here, and I'm sure it won't be the last time. Lack of civility is born often of despair, a "why can't you see" mentality. And it's on both sides. My extended family is Conservative. I don't consider myself Liberal (if I could trust them not to be foolish about every new fad that comes along, I'd probably be Green Party, but the the battle between idealism and corrupt deception is so wild there that I can't really back them pragmatically even if philosophically I'm in alignment). I am genuinely afraid of my extended family though. And the entire town I grew up in. They have openly acknowledged a willingness to engage in civil war if there is enough backing, they have said that the only reason they don't is a fear of going to jail, but if they had commonality in numbers...they have said they would go to war. And if they knew me well enough (I keep a low profile when I visit home, to camouflage) they talk about people like me as deserving to die, without realizing they are talking to a person of the kind they say they are willing to kill. So perhaps that gives you a sense of where my own helplessness, anger comes from. And a sense of why I sometimes completely lose it online. Anonymity is the only safe way to do so. A lot of folks on my side are arrogant, judgy, mouthy. I'm one of them too often. But I've never heard anyone say that they're going to kill others for their beliefs. I've known women from conservative families kicked down stairs by their boyfriends or fathers for getting pregnant, until they abort the baby from the violence. A good friend of mine lost her sister, the violence killed her. These same boyfriends, fathers (if one can really use the word "father") mouth the words of being against abortion, but they'd sooner see their daughter and the unborn child both dead than have the dishonor of a child out of wedlock in their family. I grew up in a Sundown town. It still is, with a couple of token exceptions. They have their token black man to say they aren't racist, and run the rest right on out of town. Religion....mostly used as an excuse to condemn others. Not always born from individual hatred, but often from fear implanted into them by preachers, pastors, clergy. And the sexual abuse that too frequently comes with those roles. Religion when it's community and support is a beautiful thing, and that is how Christianity SHOULD work. I very rarely see it work that way. I see it more used for divisiveness. Which perpetuates divisiveness in the victims. And those of us who observe. Yes, I'm more likely to respond with aversion, mistrust, to religious (growing up in the U.S., Midwest Bible Belt, that translates to "Christian" for me, though its true of all of the major religions) overtures because I've seen more examples of religion ("Christian") born violence than kindness. When I refer to violence, I put Christianity in quotes, because I don't think that's reflective of true Christianity, and am noting a separation, though I don't always remember to put the quotes in. But the people committing the violence are convinced that they do so out of a Christian mindset, whether it be born of prideful self-righteousness, or from fear of God being twisted into something Christ or God likely never intended. The anger, the lack of civility comes from folks who have seen the worst side, and we see Trump as promoting that worst side. We do not comprehend how those who support Trump cannot see it in him and in themselves. I...am guilty of seeing people without depth. Simplifying. Dehumanizing as I see folks who support Trump do to their naysayers. I'm reducing it to Trump for this conversation, but let's just say it's far beyond that and long predates Trump, it's just become more extreme. Both sides are dehumanizing the other, and our lack of civility is at the caricature that stands in for the actual human. That said, a lot of us have been the victims of what the indoctrination shapes people into. Or witnessed that darkness. And that casts a long shadow over a lot of people. |
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From: Awen, [DNS_Address]
Subject: Re: the new GOP: Trump, Tulsi, RFK, Musk: Demos Harris, Cheneys
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Also, remembering hurts. Badly. And it brings the rage very close to the surface. I'm not going to be good for further rational conversation on this thread right now, so I'm taking my leave of it before that despair and anger gets the better of me. I...am holding back on a lot at this moment. And am going to distance myself for a while. If you ask further questions, it is unlikely you'll get a response from me. I can't any longer respond from a constructive or objective place. |
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From: old timer, [DNS_Address]
Subject: Re: the new GOP: Trump, Tulsi, RFK, Musk: Demos Harris, Cheneys
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thank you for taking the time to respond. we all can be overcome with emotion but as long as we make the effort to remain civil there is hope. what surprised me was intentionally abandoning civility as if it was “humbug”. it reminded me of this famous quote "When once the forms of civility are violated, there remains little hope of return to kindness or decency." |
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From: Awen, [DNS_Address]
Subject: To put it bluntly
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"When once the forms of civility are violated, there remains little hope of return to kindness or decency." So you're saying that we should allow ourselves to be raped and killed instead of protesting it, because protesting it is a "lack of civility". Sorry, we tried for decades. Your kind hailed stones down on us, literally took lives, literally are threatening to take more lives and rip this country into a destruction of gunfighting civil war. And yet my kind are still being civil. We could take up arms and make threats like your side has. About the only violence we've done has been entirely in self defense of out very lives. |
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From: Awen, [DNS_Address]
Subject: I have described every lack of kindnesss and decency from your side
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our denial of everything I said about your side's lack of civility by putting it all on the persecuted ones says you didn't read a word, or you are in pathological denial, or you're trying to gaslight me. Which of those three is it, I'm curious? A call for civility to control people responding to active violence and threats...well. It is interesting to say the least. Shows a lack of basic compassion, decency, or basic ethics on your part to be that deeply into denial about basic reality. |
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From: shadow, [DNS_Address]
Subject: Re: I have described every lack of kindnesss and decency from your...
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Awen, bless you for your fine efforts... A few posts back, I offered an excellent definition of the word "civility" to Old Timer, hoping he might gain some small grasp of *exactly how it is* that GOP values and tenets run exactly contrary to *civility* by definition...and how absurd it is for him to whine about those of us who pop our corks, from time to time, over graphically noncivil ways of governing being promoted as if it were an okay thing to do...... He claims to not read my posts so, obviously, imagining he might actually listen to, consider, *be responsive to* anything I say is entirely unrealistic... ;) ...but just feeling to chime in here for a moment and express my appreciation for your efforts here, and also say: "Civility" has never been the true issue at play with Old Timer, no matter how many times he might parrot it; when we throw light on exactly what civility IS, his whole argument disintegrates...but he just pretends not to read wherever I point that up, and just ignores the point being made when others do... Such a lot of energy we all give to the endeavor of *reasoning with* those who are, unfortunately, either unwilling or incapable or both... ;( |
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From: Awen, [DNS_Address]
Subject: Re: I have described every lack of kindnesss and decency from your...
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I appreciate that Shadow. I shouldn't be posting, I'm working myself up, but it does go beyond OT to other possible readers too. He's asking the right questions, but he's already proven himself a lost cause. He doesn't know himself well enough to know why he's asking. He wants to remain blind to the real issues, so that he can pretend he's on the right side, pretend he's not at fault for helping to perpetuate harm by silencing the victims, taking their voice from them by perseverating on civility when that has failed. Civility only works when all parties are collectively civil. He might be as an individual, but if the side he defends isn't, he is just as guilty as them of the violence, and worse, he lies to himself about his motives or the consequences of his actions. He can't even see the truth of his own heart (to be fair, I don't think any of us truly see the truth of our own hearts until after we're all gone from this plane or have had a lot more lives behind us, whichever happens, but I do think some people are more blind than others...or have different areas of blindness with profoundly different consequences). He says the right words, but can't comprehend that his side gave up on those words and the spirit behind them long long ago. Aaand, I'm from here going to step away another few days until I get my head on straight again. Maybe be back to respond again to the brick wall when I'm in a calmer place, maybe not. As you say, I know it's pretty pointless with him, but sometimes one cant help but try. And perhaps someone else, not in their own blinded view so deeply, actually will see, hear, understand. |
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From: shadow , [DNS_Address]
Subject: Re: I have described every lack of kindnesss and decency from your...
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Yep! Just as you say. I compliment you on your conscious self-awareness in noting when you're apt to react more emotionally, and taking a step back, and that maintaining that boundary still feels possible to you... Because of my long history with folks like this, and knowing the danger that will result should their mindset get into any kind of governing-control position, as I'm sure you've witnessed I failed that early on...and now I consciously tend to just let mine rip from the hip with all its associated energies... Just doesn't feel like a time, and a place, within our evolution as a species, to indulge sparing the delicate sensibilities of anyone reading this the depths of my tiny little well-advised outrage when so much is so literally at stake... The most strongly spiritually grounded amongst us might say, this is when it's most crucial to be nonreactive, to hold as pure a space of Infinite Love, as my spirituality understands this, as we possibly can during such a timing... Well...part of me is indeed split off somewhat dissociatively and is in 24/7 meditation...lol...and until the rest of me manages to attain and keep that frequency without feeling pulled into Witnessing for this election...telling everyone I can how very well I know, that it's *exactly this specific energy,* running through unconscious, oblivious, terrified humans, that can be harnessed and utilized toward enacting literal hell on Earth, in this country...by a handful of White "men" who have no capacity to care about human life... Praise all that's holy, the election will soon be over...and everyone will know *precisely* where they stand, and what exactly lies before us... Best to you, Awen... |
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From: old timer, [DNS_Address]
Subject: Re: I have described every lack of kindnesss and decency from your...
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sorry to see you see everything in terms of who is on what side. that is very sad, but unfortunately it does seem to mirror what is happening with the divisiveness in our nation. in the end we are all americans and i do worry about the possibility of a civil war in our great nation due to this extreme divisiveness. we are all on the same side and should be able to discuss things with civility |
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From: Awen, [DNS_Address]
Subject: You didn't read the post: Civility was tried, people died.
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What part of: We were civil for decades despite being beaten, abused, and civility failed us dol you not understand? UNTIL YOU CONFRONT THE ISSUES OF ACTUAL LIVES AND SAFETY AT STAKE, YOUR PREACHING CIVILITY TO THE SIDEE THAT WAS CIVIL FOR DECADES IS JUST A SILENCING AND KILLING MECHANISM. Civility failed us because your side ignored it. When one side is killing another, and you call for civility to the victims, you are NOT on the same side as the victims, you just want to put your head in the sand and hide from the issues. Just answer me this: Civility has failed my side, your side is literally beating women to death, beating black and brown people to death. The side you support literally says that people like me should die. My side has tried civility for decades, we have made no death threats. when our life and safety is at stake, and civility has failed: Do you expect us to just roll over and die? Because you preaching civility when it has failed us is simply telling us to shut up and die already. |
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From: old timer, [DNS_Address]
Subject: Re: You didn't read the post: Civility was tried, people died.
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“What part of: We were civil for decades despite being beaten, abused, and civility failed us dol you not understand?” i understand, i simply do not agree with giving up on civility. i’m very sorry your experiences have been such that you have given up on civility and see everything in terms of sides. that really makes me worry about the future of our nation |
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From: Awen, [DNS_Address]
Subject: And clearly you're just baiting me at this point
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Maybe I should civilly tel my relatives my views. The bullet to the brain from them would perhaps be better than enduring cruelty like yours. Suicide by civility. Would that show you how sickening you're being screwing with me like this? |
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From: old timer, [DNS_Address]
Subject: Re: And clearly you're just baiting me at this point
| 🙏 🙏 🙏 |
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From: shadow, [DNS_Address]
Subject: Re: And clearly you're just baiting me at this point
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I join you in prayer, Old Timer...for the understanding of what true *civility* actually is to open up within the hearts and minds of everyone, so that energy can transform our country and our world... There can be no civility where Fascism threatens the freedom, rights and spirit of American life... End of... |
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From: ryan, [DNS_Address]
Subject: Re: And clearly you're just baiting me at this point
| don't worry about ot awen...he has been a troller and baiter forever...he is a master baiter...he obviously has no idea what civility is, let alone be capable of engaging in it... |
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From: Nevada, [DNS_Address]
Subject: Re: And clearly you're just baiting me at this point
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don't worry about ot awen...he has been a troller and baiter forever...he is a master baiter...he obviously has no idea what civility is, let alone be capable of engaging in it... Come on ryan, you're supposed to be the ADULT here. Posts like this are what we used to call childish and serve no useful purpose if your goal is RESOLUTION of issues. OT is trying his best to resolve issues and move on to a higher level. Posts like this ensure more of the same. What's your real goal here, resolution or intimidation. Your call. |
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From: ryan, [DNS_Address]
Subject: Re: And clearly you're just baiting me at this point
| i'm supposed to be what? lol...you just can't stop can you...no control... |
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From: old timer, [DNS_Address]
Subject: Re: And clearly you're just baiting me at this point
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agreed! i have no idea why he thinks you are supposed to be an adult, i’ve never seen any sign of adult behavior from you. still i do admire people like nevada that try to see the good side of the bad apples in our world. pretty damn noble imho |
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From: shadow, [DNS_Address]
Subject: Re: And clearly you're just baiting me at this point
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You're seeing through an incredibly dark kaleidoscope there, pal...lol... |
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From: shadow, [DNS_Address]
Subject: Re: And clearly you're just baiting me at this point
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Yes indeed, Nevada, the two of you do indeed *clearly share* the same revolving tube...but it doesn't strike me as so miraculous but rather entirely predictable... ;) |
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From: ryan, [DNS_Address]
Subject: Re: And clearly you're just baiting me at this point
| at least you can admit you're a bad apple... |
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From: ryan, [DNS_Address]
Subject: Re: the new GOP: Trump, Tulsi, RFK, Musk: Demos Harris, Cheneys
| what do you mean "remain civil"? you haven't been civil since you reappeared here... |
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From: old timer, [DNS_Address]
Subject: Re: the new GOP: Trump, Tulsi, RFK, Musk: Demos Harris, Cheneys
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bopp struggles with the definition of words and the word civil is probably another example. a good rule of thumb is no matter what word he uses in the wrong context it is probably intended as an insult if he is talking to me |
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From: shadow , [DNS_Address]
Subject: Re: the new GOP: Trump, Tulsi, RFK, Musk: Demos Harris, Cheneys
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Just so's we're clear, Nevada: I've never "insulted" you, I've only told the truth about the actual trajectory nearly everything you've said regarding "politics" here is spun from... And if you feel good about what you're saying, then...how could that be an insult? ;) And...wait, hold on...whoa...! Are you finally acknowledging that by trying to WhiteWash the GOP Fascist everything, as you always have, you've *solidly closed* any door that might've ever stood partially open, between us?! You see that the door is closed, now, we're really Done? Oh my stars and garters...could it really be true? Ah what a glorious day.... ;) |
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From: Nevada, [DNS_Address]
Subject: Re: the new GOP: Trump, Tulsi, RFK, Musk: Demos Harris, Cheneys
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...yes, it is a glorious day. These are exciting times to be alive and I appreciate your concerns about me. Ot has been helpful for me as well. |
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From: shadow, [DNS_Address]
Subject: Re: the new GOP: Trump, Tulsi, RFK, Musk: Demos Harris, Cheneys
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I know you say you don't read my posts, Old Timer...but I happen to know you do...lol...so, here's a word for *you,* that it's been made abundantly clear you struggle with the definition of: "vic·tim /ˈviktəm/ noun noun: victim; plural noun: victims a person harmed, injured, or killed as a result of a crime, accident, or other event or action." How have you been harmed, injured or killed as the result of how Mr. Bopp moderates/administrates his forum? I wonder if you could begin to measure whatever *harm* you'd say you've come to, by strong words having been voiced by me here, with the harm that's been caused by GOP fascist policies, even without the GOP being really "in power"....................... Here's another definition for you: "Civility is the act of being polite, courteous, and respectful in your behavior and speech, while also considering others' feelings. It's more than just being polite, and it involves: Treating others with dignity Being respectful of others' views, even if you disagree Speaking in appropriate tones of voice Disagreeing without disrespect Seeking common ground Listening past your own preconceptions Teaching others to do the same Staying present, even with people you have strong disagreements with The word civility comes from the Latin word civilis, which means 'relating to public life, befitting a citizen'. The first known use of the word civility was in 1533." Old Timer, as I've explained to you as well as Everyone here, my having been *less than civil* in what I express here regarding the GOP has been *purposeful and intentional.* I am doing so in an attempt...utterly lost as I'm sure it's been...to show GOPers that *their entire platform* of Fascist values is UNCIVIL IN ESSENCE. If certain GOPers here have felt slapped by my words, I'd invite them to consider *just how slapped* (let alone discriminated against) a gay man feels, imagining a DJT presidency...how a woman in AZ feels having a miscarriage...how someone who practicies Islam feels imagining a DJT presidency... I'll say these things again, though I know you'll ignore them: Racism is not civil. Discrimination on the basis of alternative sexuality and ways of expressing oneself *that hurt no one else* is not civil. Establishing one religion as superior in this country is not civil. And supporting the GOP is to participate in *ACTS OF UNCIVILITY* that the GOP is attempting to legislate as the governing ethos in this country... Since in doing so I often make some fairly harsh points against the GOP, I understand that your saying "you don't read my posts" gets you off the hook in being responsible for responding to the points I raise, and make...lol... But that isn't the case for everyone... ;) Act like an asshole by supporting *uncivil by definition* GOP policies, I'm going to talk to you like an asshole...at least until after the election... Everyone who's been here for awhile, and who's not a GOPer and invested in seeing me that way, knows that I'm not an asshole, in character and essence... Anyone inclined to take issue with my choosing to act like one in return to those who are being one, by supporting a Fascist regime coming into power in the United States, do feel free... ;) Oh, and Nevada? You've earned asshole-level speech from me for the duration of anytime you show up here, for all the many years we had to endure you doing your utmost best to spin the ugliness out of all things GOP...and all things dictatorial and authoritarian... End of...lol... |
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From: Nevada, [DNS_Address]
Subject: Re: the new GOP: Trump, Tulsi, RFK, Musk: Demos Harris, Cheneys
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Oh, and Nevada? I respect that shadow and appreciate you helping me become a better, more compassionate and understanding person. |
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From: shadow, [DNS_Address]
Subject: Re: the new GOP: Trump, Tulsi, RFK, Musk: Demos Harris, Cheneys
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Your words don't fool me, lizardman...lol... Going by how I've experienced you, here, you're one of the most disingenuous human beings I've ever crossed paths with... I have always wished you well, and that will never change... May you be blessed in all the ways you value... |
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From: Nevada, [DNS_Address]
Subject: Re: the new GOP: Trump, Tulsi, RFK, Musk: Demos Harris, Cheneys
| ...blessings accepted and appreciated shadow. |
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From: ryan, [DNS_Address]
Subject: Re: the new GOP: Trump, Tulsi, RFK, Musk: Demos Harris, Cheneys
| no, rump is like poison... |
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