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Date: July 08, 2021 at 17:42:08
From: pamela, [DNS_Address]
Subject: Race/skin color only skin deep |
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All peoples are spiritual souls, have no color. Its
best we let Karma deal with it all. Many past
lives/NDE are reporting this to be true. Especially
with the children memories of past lives being one
race in former life and another race in current life.
We are spiritual beings having a materialistic
experience. So that all may learn from our pasts and
yes to make amends if need be.
All this strife going on currently with race matters
mostly concocted by those who apparently do not
believe in karma or even justice. Cayce said on one
of his readings, be sure , we always meet self.
Yahshuah said we will reap what we sow. Cayce even
said the karma can be dealt with even within this life
if we apply ourselves and own up to our mistakes with
correction in how we apply self.
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Date: July 31, 2021 at 13:36:24
From: SoCalCarol, [DNS_Address]
Subject: Re: Race/skin color only skin deep |
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I’ve been told that’s why we are here at this particular time, to clear
all our karma and move forward. I’ve often thought I must be paying
off every Karmic debt I’ve ever incurred in this one life. It’s been so
intense.
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Date: July 31, 2021 at 17:20:33
From: pamela, [DNS_Address]
Subject: Re: Race/skin color only skin deep |
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Me thinks so too for myself. Heavy karma payoff began
early in my life...
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Date: July 15, 2021 at 12:05:55
From: Akira, [DNS_Address]
Subject: Re: Race/skin color only skin deep |
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I think of karma as a religious belief people assume to be true. It doesn’t
necessarily have intrinsic cause & effect reality to it. I think we like to
believe that there’s some karmic justice that will balance out all the suffering
& brutality we experience, cause & see in the world. It offers peace of mind.
It invites acceptance and forgiveness. It allows us to carry on in these meat
sacks. Again, that’s just my opinion. A common theme in contemporary
reincarnation narratives I read & hear about about involve choice - that we,
in our non-corporeal forms between lives choose the kind of challenges we
want to experience on earth for the purpose of growing ourselves. Karma is
hardly if ever even mentioned. After a human life ends, a “life-review” takes
place, where one reflects on every interaction, positive & negative, with
profound acceptance and compassion and deepened understanding. It’s a
different mind-set. If that’s what actually happens, it makes sense that we
would choose to experience humanness with as much cultural, ethnic,
socio-economic, etc. diversity we could imagine.
“All this strife going on currently with race matters
mostly concocted by those who apparently do not
believe in karma or even justice”
Nah, they’re just behaving like unenlightened humans. If we do live multiple
lives, most of us have obviously forgotten that, and that’s probably on
purpose.
One of the most interesting accounts I’ve come across is Natalie Sudman’s
story. She’s given a couple of interviews. She seems to be incredibly
grounded, truthful & has a great sense of humor. If anyone’s interested, her
book is called Application of Impossible Things: A Near Death Experience in
Iraq. She also has a website.
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Date: July 08, 2021 at 19:19:15
From: shadow, [DNS_Address]
Subject: Re: Race/skin color only skin deep |
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Hi Pamela! Hmm... ;) I agree with you that there is no
race at Soul level, and that incarnating into
different races, just like into different genders,
economic levels, religions, etc., are all part of any
given lifetime's lessons... As I think we've spoken of
in the past, I'm also very familiar with Cayce's
angles on this... ;)
However, when you say, "All this strife going on
currently with race matters mostly concocted by those
who apparently do not believe in karma or even
justice, I find myself wanting to ask you this: Does
the fact that someone, in a given incarnation, chooses
to place themselves into longterm poverty, for their
purposes of soulgrowth also, to you, translate to the
idea that overcoming hunger in our society, as a
humanitarian goal, is a non-issue projected by those
who don't believe in karma or justice?
If not...what's the difference?
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Date: July 10, 2021 at 11:44:46
From: pamela, [DNS_Address]
Subject: Re: Race/skin color only skin deep |
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I am going to try to answer your question. War more
times than not uses starvation/poverty as a weapon.
(and also sanctions-which are not changing governments
for the better but attacking the citizens living in
and trapped in countries not following the golden
rule) We see it in our current time for Africa, Asia,
Mideast and other countries as the war machines
plunders and topples these nations ; its very sick. I
see the only good for those who choose
poverty/starvation in those places as a wakeup call to
those choosing to rape these countries for resources
or whatever they call securing them against enemies
for so called democracies sake. It's the choice for
those doing the plundering; banks, US foreign
policies, etc, to wake the hell up. And stop their
slaughtering. US Imperialists have been on a
killing/murdering spree for some time, US Pentagon,
and propaganda supporting the US policy. EU is much
the same along with their banksters. All oppressive
regimes will pay the price of karma eventually or
swiftly. Will the cries of the forsaken, starving,
abused, murdered people and children be loud enough
for these people to hear it and stop their slaughter?
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Date: July 10, 2021 at 14:01:09
From: shadow, [DNS_Address]
Subject: Re: Race/skin color only skin deep |
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Sorry pamela, what I asked obviously needs clarification...was trying
to take a shortcut which bombed...lol...yapped too much last wk, now
must wait till neck/shoulder lets me type more than tiny bit like this,
thanks for patience...
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Date: July 12, 2021 at 05:51:14
From: shadow, [DNS_Address]
Subject: Starting over... ;) |
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I think it'd be best if I ask for clarification on a
line from your original post, pamela, since assuming I
knew what you meant by it is where I took off from...
;)
"All this strife going on currently with race matters
mostly concocted by those who apparently do not
believe in karma or even justice."
Please tell me exactly what you meant by *strife*...
It appeared to me you were saying that those making
such a fuss about the reality of racism in these
times, how it's exploding up into more prominent
awareness, now...is being "concocted" or
disproportionately fed by those who simply don't
understand that Divine Justice, as per Cayce's context
of the understanding of karma, always has the bottom
line in our individual lives...
Did I get that clearly?
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Date: July 12, 2021 at 10:02:33
From: pamela, [DNS_Address]
Subject: Re: Starting over... ;) |
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Yes. And media seems to really push the division of the
races even more. Or focus more on it causing more
strife than already there.
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Date: July 12, 2021 at 11:33:39
From: shadow, [DNS_Address]
Subject: Re: Starting over... ;) |
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Okay, thanks. That's what I thought you meant.
Back soonest.
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Date: July 13, 2021 at 09:04:24
From: shadow, [DNS_Address]
Subject: Going from there... |
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(eep, coupla angles I want to respond to this from,
which first?...lol...)
Best to go w/face-value simplest, I think...though I
have a much bigger question than this one...
Pamela, when you say "And media seems to really push
the division of the races even more. Or focus more on
it causing more strife than already there."...I'm
interested to know what all has served your personal
awareness of the level of racism-based strife that you
see/experience as having been "already there," that
you believe media's focus is then blowing up out of
proportion, from...?
From where/what/who do you draw your own estimation of
how prevalent the *reality* of racism currently is, in
this country?
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Date: July 13, 2021 at 19:56:22
From: pamela, [DNS_Address]
Subject: Re: Going from there... |
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68 years has shown me the media often makes news by
focusing more on the racist acts.
More often than not the media supports the
establishment who support unending wars, poverty,
economic woes, etc. Racism, economic troubles, poor
nutrition, polluting the environment, wars are a
spiritual problem. I do not see all karma as being a
result of past lives or those souls choosing a poor
life, whatever color they may be; there are plenty of
"innocent" people, children, animals all suffering
from evil acts against them. The creator leaves it for
us to sort it out. We all suffer from poor or evil
choices by those who weld the power over us thru evil
power greed. Instead of helping their fellow man,
they take for themselves. How do I see the resolution
to all this suffering?
Love one another, find your spiritual path. Do no
harm. But who of the power/greed hungry is really
listening or cares? Probably none of them in this
life.
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Date: July 15, 2021 at 09:49:13
From: shadow, [DNS_Address]
Subject: Thank you, pamela! |
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Big stuff to get such tiny things as summarizing words
around eh? At least for me anyway...lol...
Re: The media, I agree with you in the general sense
that it focuses primarily upon whatever holds the most
sensationalistic/nervous-system-roasting juice, so to
speak, that serve the power/manipulation purposes of
those few humans behind the corporate-nonbody elite
who own them...and of course politics is all within
that...
And in following the intention behind my question,
which was to help me discern where substantive
differences of belief/stance/orientation on “spiritual
evolution” between myself and others here (& in my
conversation w/ryan, w/Gurdjieff ;) actually lie, and
where perhaps we're more similar than I've
realized...I'll need to point up that to me, the
reality of where we're actually at, in terms of
recovery from racism, specifically, stands entirely
apart from that media phenomenon...
I must respectfully disagree with you that the media
is portraying a level of racism that is
disproportionate with our current reality in this
country... Since I asked where your own sense of
racism proportion comes from, I'll share that mine is
advised pretty personally by several lifelong
friendships, one of over 50 years w/my ex in Chicago
who works for Chicago Commons, a 125 year old
organization existing to assist the most under-served
in the city...
As I'm sure you're aware, there is a strong effort
underway from a certain trajectory aiming to minimize
and even entirely disappear all the horrific realities
of how nonwhites have been treated from the beginning,
not only to rewrite history from their entitled
context, but to ensure that their own
racial/religious/societal-financial mindsets and
comfort zones are forever locked into place and policy
going forward...which translates to racism, and
inequality on all its levels, in all its expressions,
as the law of the land...
Those who wield violence upon another will, of course,
answer for that as per Spirit's perfection, so to
speak; while the reason for doing so is always weighed
into things, as I understand it, there is always a
balance to be rendered... Self meets self, always;
absolutely. And at the same time, those observing
hottest protest scenarios who so clearly register the
flaming rage built up over so many years, within
nonwhite protestors...yet have, obviously, not lived
the experiential hell those denied what so many of us
take for granted...all too often dismiss, disrespect,
invalidate and condemn them, with all kinds of
rationale as per the above as to why “all that should
just disappear”...
Those who attempt to argue that continuing to focus
upon racism works against the psychoemotional process
of healing from the experience of victimhood – by
anything, or anyone – to me, are simply failing to
understand, or even choosing to acknowledge, that
healing on this level is an entirely individual and
multi-leveled phenomenon. Applying any kind of
generalized, broad-brush formulaic notions along these
lines is simply inappropriate and unavoidably out of
context, imho... Granted, in a few people removing
this focus may serve their process in a unique way. In
some whose soulgrowth processes are naturally ripe for
it, simply speaking the phrase, “Hey! You don't have
to be a victim to this societal phenomenon! You have
choice!” acts as a magical key turned in a lock,
connects the dots, sets them free in and of itself.
Others will require only a "fair shake" at applying
readily-accessible willpower, physical capacity and
momentum, inner discipline just waiting to be tapped,
to open up all highest/best potentials for themselves
regardless of anything thrown in their path. And
others will take a great deal more than that to heal
from these abominations, any kind of abuse such as
racism, often over many lives. And as a counselor I
can tell you that intellectualizing, minimizing,
attempting to reframe what they've experienced
emotionally, in any way that they can feel is
attempting to “disappear” or whitewash what they've
been through, or forgive anything before they feel
ready will, most definitely, work against their
healing... ;(
Somewhat longer of a reply than you may have expected,
I realize... ;) ...and I'm sure it's clear part of
this carries over from an exchange we had a while back
on another board; this felt the perfect opportunity to
clarify that further from my end, since you led your
response to my question w/the racism issue... ;)
I also appreciate everything else you shared there,
pamela! “Love one another, find your spiritual path.
Do no harm.” Doesn't that just say it all? Thank you
for doing so! ;) In many ways we share common
orientation toward that goal and, in others, maybe not
so much... ;) What I'm working to get together for my
thread/conversation with ryan/Gurdjieff, around all
this, will FWIW elaborate more on where I'm coming
from...that I might've tried to tuck into this post,
if I didn't have this other simmering...lol...
Love to you!
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Date: July 15, 2021 at 13:56:41
From: pamela, [DNS_Address]
Subject: Re: Thank you, pamela! |
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I did say my info comes from 68 years of learning,
personal experience and non personal. I do not need to
tell all of my experience personal or non, that would
take way too long. And of course its the corporate
media news which in turn support the division more
than already exists. They apparently need to feed the
frenzy, cause more strife for their own benefit of
disrupting this country even more. Since most media
outlets support the Corporate debauchery of the
nation, (you know them by who supports their so called
news stories and you know them by their fruits) So
really, how can you disagree?
There are so very few real journalists in this
country. And the US gov'mnt (establishment/Corporate
military industrial complexity) is persecuting an
Australian journalist (Assange) for exposing their war
crimes, because they claim it goes against National
Security.
And there we go right back into the political.
Its all a spiritual problem no matter how one cuts it.
Everyone picks their battles. If we all tried to pick
all the battles, it would surely kill us all. THat is
why Love is the answer in real day to day living acts.
."As I'm sure you're aware, there is a strong effort
underway from a certain trajectory aiming to minimize
and even entirely disappear all the horrific realities
of how nonwhites have been treated from the beginning,
not only to rewrite history from their entitled
context, but to ensure that their own
racial/religious/societal-financial mindsets and
comfort zones are forever locked into place and policy
going forward...which translates to racism, and
inequality on all its levels, in all its expressions,
as the law of the land..."
More than just aware. It goes on with and against all
races, all races have and are experiencing this in
some more or lessor degree. What's not talked about
so much is how the rich are benefitting from it all,
monetarily at least but not spiritually.
I just posted on Natioanl other day, that more statues
are being removed in Charlottesville. While that may
make some feel more relieved , I think there needs to
be a plaque placed their as a reminder of what was
done and to not repeat the errors, rather than just
removing it and having people forget history in all
its forms.
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Date: July 15, 2021 at 14:15:15
From: shadow, [DNS_Address]
Subject: Re: Thank you, pamela! |
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Pamela, just so we're clear...nothing I said about my
own life experience was intended to *minimize* your
own, by pointing up that mine included what it did. I
mentioned that toward it being understood that I'm
very clear that I'm coming from finger-on-the-pulse-of
current realities of racism, at least in the urban
areas my friends live in, so that you know I'm not
coming from an entirely-detached/-removed speculative
space in challenging your claim around media's
coverage of protests being disproportionate to it, in
that way...
And while I'll agree that yes, judgement and
devaluation of others happens across the board
wherever exclusivity/inclusivity is "at war," so to
speak...I maintain my disagreement with your claim
about media inflating the actual proportion of racism
toward nonwhites that exists in this country,
specifically, for the reasons I've already laid out...
;)
Totally agree it all falls under the Spiritual Issue
umbrella entirely...
Where and how the financially "elite" figure into
things, as I see it, will come later...
And I couldn't agree more that Confederate statues
should be removed *with plaques put in their places
that explain why this was done*... Absolutely...
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Date: July 15, 2021 at 19:43:26
From: pamela, [DNS_Address]
Subject: Re: Thank you, pamela! |
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>>I maintain my disagreement with your claim
about media inflating the actual proportion of racism
toward nonwhites that exists in this country,
specifically, for the reasons I've already laid out...
;)
I am talking about the whole world not just the USA.
Goodness, a world of hurt and racism and for so many
in the poor countries which the so called "elite" are
murdering, raping, stealing from by taking their
resources, their own nations wealth , putting them
further in poverty and they consider themselves the
elite and polluting the whole world with their so
called humanitarian help. Sad too, that races are
going against their own people just to get a piece
of the pie.
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Date: July 15, 2021 at 14:31:52
From: shadow, [DNS_Address]
Subject: Woops, forgot this part... |
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"Everyone picks their battles. If we all tried to pick
all the battles, it would surely kill us all. THat is
why Love is the answer in real day to day living acts."
Couldn't agree more. Part of why I'm going into all this
is to share where and how I'm taking *my own*...all my
battles, into Love... I may need far more words than
anyone cares to read, to do so...lol...but I'm gonna do
it...lol...
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Date: July 13, 2021 at 10:04:09
From: shadow, [DNS_Address]
Subject: ...and into another direction from there... |
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So my take on your position is that, based upon your
understanding of karmic justice, as per Cayce's (&
some similar others) context of it, is that the only
people suffering within all the societal & personal
cruelties of racism are those whose souls have
chosen/dialed up those sets of circumstances for the
purpose of soulgrowth, all of which must/will play out
as it will...
...and that this mechanism of *divine justice* renders
unnecessary, inflammatory, inappropriate...and
essentially moot...whatever we're currently seeing in
society with so much exploding *focus* and protest
around the entire issue... Or, as you put it, energies
indulged in and supported only by those "who
apparently do not believe in karma or even justice"...
;)
And I'm sure I'm tedious here, but w/so much charge in
everything these days...certainly from me!...I'll
probably go happily overboard a bit on reality-
checking what I'm hearing with what you're saying
every step of the way...lol... So, is this correct? ;)
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Date: July 13, 2021 at 10:19:22
From: shadow, [DNS_Address]
Subject: And if I am correct, there, then... ;) |
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...from yet another direction, I'll ask: How do you see
societal-/racial-/economical-*humanitarian inequality*
issues (of which racism is just one) actually being
resolved, healed, turned-inside out and made non-issues
for humanity? What does that scenario look like, for
you? What is the spiritual-evolutionary, or faith-based
engine or impetus or culmination or fruition that will
have fueled this new reality?
Thanks for your patience w/my slo-mo crone mode...lol...
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Date: July 08, 2021 at 22:58:47
From: pamela, [DNS_Address]
Subject: Re: Race/skin color only skin deep |
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Lol, could you please rephrase the question? I can't
follow what you're asking. 🤗
PS, as an additional: I also believe in DNA cell memory
and generational , ie, same race/family incarnations. I
do not believe all souls may choose to go into other
life situations but want to stay within families
generation after generations. And yet maybe not all the
time but choose something else sometimes.
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