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Date: June 25, 2019 at 11:59:07
From: Jody/Concord,CA, [DNS_Address]
Subject: Kundalini Rising - Activation & Matt Monaco |
URL: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IMuadElWypo |
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Date: June 25, 2019 at 12:09:19
From: ryan, [DNS_Address]
Subject: Re: Kundalini Rising - Activation & Matt Monaco |
URL: https://www.satrakshita.com/the_power_of_kundalini.htm |
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Gurdjieff in Ouspensky′s In Search of the Miraculous:
In so-called ′occult′ literature you have probably met with the expression ′Kundalini,′ ′the fire of Kundalini,′ or the ′serpent of Kundalini.′ This expression is often used to designate some kind of strange force which is present in man and which can be awakened. But none of the known theories gives the right explanation of the force of Kundalini. Sometimes it is connected with sex, with sex energy, that is with the idea of the possibility of using sex energy for other purposes. This latter is entirely wrong because kundalini snakeKundalini can be in anything. And above all, Kundalini is not anything desirable or useful for man′s development. It is very curious how these occultists have got hold of the word from somewhere but have completely altered its meaning and from a very dangerous and terrible thing have made something to be hoped for and to be awaited as some blessing.
In reality Kundalini is the power of imagination, the power of fantasy, which takes the place of a real function. When a man dreams instead of acting, when his dreams take the place of reality, when a man imagines himself to be an eagle, a lion, or a magician, it is the force of Kundalini acting in him. Kundalini can act in all centers and with its help all the centers can be satisfied with the imaginary instead of the real. A sheep which considers itself a lion or a magician lives under the power of Kundalini.
Kundalini is a force put into men in order to keep them in their present state. If men could really see their true position and could understand all the horror of it, they would be unable to remain where they are even for one second. They would begin to seek a way out and they would quickly find it, because there is a way out; but men fail to see it simply because they are hypnotized. Kundalini is the force that keeps them in a hypnotic state. ′To awaken′ for man means to be ′dehypnotized.′ In this lies the chief difficulty and in this also lies the guarantee of its possibility, for there is no organic reason for sleep and man can awaken.
Theoretically he can, but practically it is almost impossible because as soon as a man awakens for a moment and opens his eyes, all the forces that caused him to fall asleep begin to act upon him with tenfold energy and he immediately falls asleep again, very often dreaming that he is awake or is awakening.
There are certain states in ordinary sleep in which a man wants to awaken but cannot. He tells himself that he is awake but, in reality, he continues to sleep – and this can happen several times before he finally awakes. But in ordinary sleep, once he is awake, he is in a different state; in hypnotic sleep the case is otherwise; there are no objective characteristics, at any rate not at the beginning of awakening; a man cannot pinch himself in order to make sure that he is not asleep. And if, which God forbid, a man has heard anything about objective characteristics, Kundalini at once transforms it all into imagination and dreams.
Gurdjieff in Beelzebub′s Tales to His Grandson:
One day while instructing some of his closest initiates, Saint Buddha spoke in very precise terms about a means for the possible destruction in their nature of the consequences of the properties of the organ kundabuffer, transmitted to them by heredity. Among the things he said to them was this:
′One of the best means of rendering ineffective the predisposition in your nature to crystallize the consequences of the properties of the organ kundabuffer is "intentional suffering"; and the greatest "intentional suffering" can be obtained in our presences by compelling ourselves to endure the displeasing manifestations of others toward ourselves.′
Osho in The Dhammapada: The Way of the Buddha, volume 2:
A friend has asked:
How was it possible that a man like Gurdjieff, a man of such great understanding, did not understand the idea of kundalini energy?
He called it kundabuffer. He was very much against the idea of kundalini. He used to say that the worst thing that could happen to a person in life is the arousal of kundalini. The questioner, naturally, is bewildered.
But you don′t understand the real meaning of Gurdjieff. He called it kundabuffer because of the nonsense that theosophists have created in the world. They talked so much about kundalini, the serpent power, and it was all gibberish; they knew nothing about it. They were just fabricating, they were just inventing theories and ideas. It was all guesswork.
In fact, out of a hundred books that are written about kundalini, ninety-nine are absolute nonsense. And the people who had gathered around Gurdjieff had come through theosophical philosophy, hypotheses, doctrines. He was shattering their knowledge; he was not saying anything against kundalini. How could he say that? He knew far better than Blavatsky, Annie Besant, Alcott, Leadbeater - he knew far better than these people. These people were only experts in creating doctrines, and really they were great experts. They had created almost a world movement - about auras and colors and kundalini...new words from the ancient spiritual lore. And they created worlds, imaginary worlds, around those words.
Gurdjieff is right to call it kundabuffer. And Gurdjieff is right in saying that the worst thing that can happen to a man is the arousal of kundalini. But remember always that he was talking to his disciples, in a particular context. He was shattering the knowledge of his disciples about kundalini power - because the first step of a master is to destroy your knowledge, because your knowledge is basically false, borrowed.
Before you can be made familiar with the truth, the untrue has to be taken away. Sometimes the master has to be very merciless, and sometimes the master has to say things which are not really so. Kundalini is not a wrong idea, but for ninety-nine percent of people, Gurdjieff is right.
gopi krishnaNow there are again people like Gopi Krishna, who are writing books on kundalini and the serpent power, and the great genius that comes through it. It has not even happened to Gopi Krishna! What kind of genius has he? At the most, the only proof that he has given of his genius is some absolutely worthless poetry, just like the poetry schoolchildren write. He has been a clerk his whole life. His poetry smells of his whole life′s clerkship - it stinks! It has no beauty, it has no grandeur - it has nothing of the superb.
And now he is propounding around the world that when kundalini arises your latent power of genius becomes manifest. How many yogis have won the Nobel Prize? And how many yogis have contributed to the world′s scientific knowledge, art, poetry, painting, sculpture? How many of your people whose so-called kundalini has arisen have contributed in any way to the world′s richness?
What Gopi Krishna is talking about is not kundalini but kundabuffer. Gurdjieff would have put him right with a single blow. But he attracts people. People are very much attracted by mystical nonsense, by occult stupidity, by esoteric gibberish. Just start talking with people about chakras, centers of energy, and kundalini passing through them, and they are all-attentive. You just try it! There is no need to know anything about it - just invent...because Jaina mystics have not talked about kundalini, Buddhist mystics have not talked about kundalini, Christian mystics have never known anything about it, Sufis are absolutely unaware of this energy called kundalini. Only Hindu yoga talks about it.
There IS something in it, but not exactly the way it is told to people. The knowledge that is floating around about kundalini is all nonsense, and Gurdjieff was right to condemn it. He was condemning the whole theosophical movement. Theosophists were very much against Gurdjieff. They knew nothing, but they created a great movement. They were more or less political people, scholars, logic-choppers, but not in any way realized souls.
Gurdjieff shattered many beliefs.
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Date: June 25, 2019 at 14:40:50
From: Jody/Concord,CA, [DNS_Address]
Subject: Ryan |
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I disagree with Gurdjieff about the Kundalini and anyone else who rubber-
stamps a subject with their opinion then thinks that's the end of it. No it's
not. This world is moving so fast it's breaking old knowledge or verifying it
daily. Gurdjieff, Freud, Blavatsky or Einstein are heroes in their day and in
their various fields, yet these same fields have morphed and grown with the
discoveries made since the 20th century.
The Kundalini Awakening is simply a beginning to a spiritual path awakening
much like the Near-death Experience is. Yet because they usually occur
randomly what would be the point of demonizing them saying they have no
merit and walking away as Gurdjieff does? That's throwing the baby out with
the bath water and ignoring what could've been gained from the those
personal experiences. I can only speak for myself when I say I've
experienced both Kundalini awakening and Near-death experiences and
they both brought in many many other events on my spiritual path. the latest
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Date: June 25, 2019 at 16:13:58
From: ryan, [DNS_Address]
Subject: Re: Ryan |
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that's your prerogative jody...gurdjieff never rubberstamped anything as far as i can tell...he researched everything and dug for the truth...and found it...and shared it...blavatsky was a blubbering fool...and freud was way off on a tangent...einstein was a genius mathmatically, but spiritually, not so much...you may have misinterpreted your experiences...
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Date: June 26, 2019 at 15:12:52
From: Jody/Concord,CA, [DNS_Address]
Subject: Re: Ryan |
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The four famous people I mentioned were for EXAMPLE sake to show how
knowledge progresses and continues forward, not as "MY" hero's or did you
gloss over the post and gain nothing from it?
My point was you've made Gurdjieff YOUR HERO and have swallowed whole
all of his doctrine and biases and thus making them your own. Easier than
following you own path eh?
As I see it, Gurdjieff, Einstein, Freud and Blavatsky ALL had as many faults
as you and I do- Hell I wouldn't follow ANY of them! We need to appreciate
them for their contributions to society but never view them as perfect or the
epitome of a GURU for you. *RE: Gurus, 'GEE YOU ARE YOU' should be all
the closer you get to one and to follow your OWN spiritual path. Never give
your power away. We are all seekers or we wouldn't be here now.
As for your "you may have misinterpreted your experiences..." comment,
that speaks volumes about where you are on the Path of Enlightenment
Ryan.
Blessings, Jody
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Date: June 26, 2019 at 17:19:32
From: Nevada, [DNS_Address]
Subject: ...thanks for your "message"... |
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...I tend to believe in different strokes for
different folks at different stages.
...and the theory of relativity...
...most will want to learn how to count before they
seek out an advanced calculus teacher.
A truly great teacher usually acknowledges the
important role of all teachers.
...I personally chose not to pursue kundalini
knowing that it would manifest on it's own if it
became necessary.
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Date: June 28, 2019 at 00:04:10
From: Jody/Concord,CA, [DNS_Address]
Subject: Re: ...thanks for your "message"... |
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Hi Nevada
Thank you for your message 😊
Absolutely correct you have to try and meet people where they are
on the journey and start there. Hard to assess with a few sentences
online! I’ve always appreciated your wisdom in posts Nevada and
hope to see you around here more often. Hoping life is good where
you are in your garden 🌸🌷💕
Blessings, Jody
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Date: June 26, 2019 at 15:21:07
From: ryan, [DNS_Address]
Subject: Re: Ryan |
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thanks for your blessings...
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Date: June 28, 2019 at 00:12:05
From: Jody/Concord,CA, [DNS_Address]
Subject: Re: Ryan |
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Thank you Ryan it’s always a blessing to be here and happy to wish
you well. 😍💕 Jody
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Date: June 28, 2019 at 22:15:11
From: ryan, [DNS_Address]
Subject: Re: Ryan |
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by the way, gurdjieff is not my hero...i respect him immensely but he is a man, just like me...but he did have much more knowledge than me, and was much more spiritually advanced...and he shared all he knew for the benefit of mankind...there is a lot to admire in the way he conducted his life...every interaction he had after making his vow was a teaching moment...he was a teacher of dance...he did not want to be idolized or put on a pedestal in any fashion...so he made it a point to step on everyone's most tender corn...if he thought someone was more focused on him rather than the Work he set them straight, sometimes crudely, sometimes gently, but always with compassion and truth...whatever was necessary to focus one's attention...what he taught is all i or anyone needs to know...i know you strive too...
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Date: June 29, 2019 at 18:51:11
From: Jody/Concord,CA, [DNS_Address]
Subject: Re: Ryan |
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Thank you for a beautiful post Ryan. Loved everything you said
because they were your personal insights that carry meaning to all
that read this. I enjoy stories of people because I see them in various
nuances and stages of life and learn from them. Thank you for
showing me more of Gurdjieff in a better light, a Human light 💕😁
Blessings, Jody
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