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Date: May 31, 2019 at 11:53:17
From: ryan, [DNS_Address]
Subject: the evolution of man |
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“The evolution of man”, G says, “can be taken as the development in him of those powers and possibilities which never develop by themselves, that is, mechanically. Only this kind of development, only this kind of growth, marks the real evolution of man. There is, and there can be, no other kind of evolution whatever. “
We have before us man at the present moment of his development. Nature has made him such as he is, and, in large masses, so far as we can see, he will remain. Changes likely to violate the general requirements of nature can only take place in separate units.”
“In order to understand the law of man’s evolution it is necessary to grasp, that, beyond a certain point, this evolution is not at all necessary, that is to say, it is not necessary for nature at a given moment in its own development. To speak more precisely, the evolution of mankind corresponds to the evolution of the planets, but the evolution of the planets proceeds for us, in infinitely prolonged cycles of time. Throughout the stretch of time that human thought can embrace, the essential can take place in the life of the planets, and consequently, no essential changes can take place in the life of mankind. “
“Humanity neither progresses nor evolves. What seems to us to be progress or evolution is a partial modification, which can be counterbalanced by a corresponding modification in the opposite direction.”
“Humanity, like the rest of organic life, exists on earth for the needs and purposes of the earth.And it is exactly as it should be for the earth’s requirements at the present time.”
“Only thought as theoretical and as far removed from fact as modern European thought could have conceived the evolution of man to be possible apart from surrounding nature, or having regarded the evolution of man as a gradual conquest of nature. This is quite impossible. In living, in dying, in evolving, in degenerating, man serves the purposes of nature - or rather, nature makes equal use, though perhaps for different purposes, of the products of both evolution and degeneration. And, at the same time, humanity as a whole can never escape from nature, for, even in struggling against nature man acts in conformity with her purposes. The evolution of of large masses is opposed to nature’s purposes. The evolution of a certain small percentage may be in accord with nature’s purposes. Man contains within him the possibility of evolution. But the evolution of humanity as a whole, that is, the development of all these possibilities in all men, or in most of them, or even in a large number of them, is not not necessary for the purposes of the earth or the planetary world in general, and it might, in fact, be injurious or fatal. There exist, therefore, special forces (of a planetary character) which oppose the evolution of large masses of humanity and keep it at the level it ought to be.”
“For instance, the evolution of mankind beyond a certain point, or to speak more correctly, above a certain percentage, would be fatal for the moon. The moon at present feeds on organic life, on humanity. Humanity is part of organic life; this means humanity is food for the moon.”
But, at the same time, possibilities of evolution exist, and they may be developed in separate individuals with the help of appropriate knowledge and methods. Such development can take place only in the interests of the man himself against, so to speak, the interests and forces of the planetary world. The man must understand this: his evolution is necessary only to himself. And no one is obliged or intends to help him. On the contrary, the forces which oppose the evolution of large masses of humanity also oppose the evolution of individual men. A man must outwit them. And one man can outwit them, humanity cannot! You will understand later that all these obstacles are very useful to a man. If they did not exist they would have to be created intentionally, because it is by overcoming obstacles that man develops those qualities he needs. “
“This is the basis for the correct view of human evolution. There is no compulsory, mechanical evolution. Evolution is the result of conscious struggle. Nature does not need this evolution; it does not want it and struggles against it. Evolution can be necessary only to man himself, when he realizes his position, realizes the possibility of changing this position, realizes he has powers that he does not use, riches that he does not see. And, in the sense of gaining possession of these powers and riches, evolution is possible. But if all men, or most of them, realized this and desired to obtain what belongs to them by right of birth, evolution would again become impossible. What is possible for the individual man is impossible for the masses.”
from "in search of the miraculous" by ouspensky
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Date: June 12, 2019 at 13:11:20
From: Dan, [DNS_Address]
Subject: Re: the evolution of man |
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Sometimes I believe you overthink things.
There are several discrepancies between my perceptions
and what ouspensky writes.
While I believe that the "rapture" and belief in it is
foolishness, Ouspensky' assertions as to human
interaction in the physical universe is somewhat
skewed.
My opinion is that humanity does evolve. It may be at
such a slow pace that some believe it is unobserved
and therefore does not exist.
In my opinion, humanity evolves both on an individual
an a mass scale.
To tie it to nature as ouspensky
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Date: June 12, 2019 at 13:48:18
From: ryan, [DNS_Address]
Subject: Re: the evolution of man |
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"Sometimes I believe you overthink things."
yes...i have the same problem ouspenski had...
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Date: June 12, 2019 at 13:26:52
From: Dan, [DNS_Address]
Subject: Re: the evolution of man continued |
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To tie it to nature as Ouspensky does tends to deny our
spiritual aspect.
Ouspensky also states that we are subject to the
evolution of the planets. That is also not true in my
opinion. Humanity has free will, both on an individual
scale and on a mass scale.
We can and do overcome planetary influence, to our
benefit our our dismay.
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Date: June 12, 2019 at 13:46:35
From: ryan, [DNS_Address]
Subject: Re: the evolution of man continued |
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a very few do...as G said, evolution is possible on the individual scale only, if the masses did it, the whole system would collapse...that is why the info is esoteric...you have to want it and work hard for it...
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Date: June 12, 2019 at 13:15:28
From: ryan, [DNS_Address]
Subject: Re: the evolution of man |
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ouspensky was the student, not the teacher...as G noted to him, "if you understood what you have written..."
and you know what is said about opinions...lol...
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Date: June 12, 2019 at 13:33:47
From: Dan, [DNS_Address]
Subject: Re: the evolution of man |
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Yes, but you used ouspensky as your proof, yet now you
seem to say his understanding was incomplete.
Whatever, I don't have the inclination to get into an in
depth discussion on this.
It's been clear for some time to me that while we have
some parallel spiritual views, there are some tangents
as well.
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Date: June 14, 2019 at 01:48:17
From: ryan, [DNS_Address]
Subject: Re: the evolution of man |
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ah, i see now where you got that mistaken attribution to ouspenskii...yah, it was his book, but he was just quoting gurdjieff there...
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Date: June 12, 2019 at 13:48:58
From: ryan, [DNS_Address]
Subject: Re: the evolution of man |
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not sure where i used ouspenski as a proof of anything...
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Date: June 03, 2019 at 22:24:23
From: ryan, [DNS_Address]
Subject: Re: the evolution of man |
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fix a typo..
Throughout the stretch of time that human thought can embrace, no essential changes can take place in the life of the planets, and consequently, no essential changes can take place in the life of mankind. “
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Date: May 31, 2019 at 12:19:13
From: Just Forum Fan, [DNS_Address]
Subject: Re: the evolution of man |
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Dude, glad I peeked in today, finding this gem.
Grandma's bible said "narrow the way, few who find it."
Also, "Many are called, few are chosen."
I dig/appreciate writings that are new-to-me and validate the writings of that ancient, old bible.
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