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Date: April 12, 2018 at 11:30:30
From: ryan, [DNS_Address]
Subject: seeing people less personally |
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Amwell, 3.12.49
ON SEEING PEOPLE LESS PERSONALLY
In this Work it is necessary to look at people less personally. People
become very identified with each other, especially negatively, by taking
one another as physical objects.
A person whom you see visually
through the senses is not necessarilyin fact, neverthe person that
you think. In a sense there is no such thing as a physical person, a
physical object. When two physical
objects get into a rage with each
other, they do it because they take each other as physical objects given
by the five senses. This can be called a supremely external way of
taking one another. A person that you can see physically as an object
is a much more complicated creature than you imagine from your five
senses. He or she has difficulties
that are not necessarily apparent in
the physical appearance of the person. You must understand that
when you see a person physically through the five senses all dressed up,
smiling, waltzing, eating, you don't know the person at all. You may,
for example, have no idea that this
person, so well-dressed, so smiling,
is suffering just in the same way as you are suffering. One of the great
illusions of life is, I often think,
a ballroom in which everyone is well-
dressed, smiling and bowing. A mere
tyro at life may instantly imagine
that these people are so happy whereas he is so miserable. Tyro (from
Latin tiroa new recruit) means a beginner at life, in the sense of a
new recruit to life. Of course, he
does not understand what is going
on amongst these well-dressed people
and so we can say that such a
mere tyro is not really educated in what life really is. He thinks that
everyone is happy and he (or she) is not. So we have to grow up from
being tyros and realize that life is an illusion that people follow as it
were by hypnotism.
Now as one grows up in the education of this Work one realizes gradually that a person as a physical
object, well-dressed or otherwise, is not the real person. We have to become aware that this person is
just like us with all our doubts, all
our troubles, all our sense of frustration, all our weaknesses, all our vices. Of course, this is impossible
unless we do this Work on ourselves and realize quite clearly that our
False Personality which we present to life is not really ourselves. Two
people in the Work should never take each other externally, as it were, as two physical objects. If people have worked on themselves and have
admitted into consciousness their various inadequacies, lacks, doubts,
weaknesses, fears, they can really meet one another in the Work sense,
but they meet one another on a quite different level. Why? Because
of being more conscious of themselves through self-observation, they will find that other people are much
the same as they are themselves.
Some people say: "What does an increase of consciousness mean?" As
you know, the Work teaches that it has not to do, primarily, with love,
faith or hope. The object of this Work is to become more conscious.
If you become more conscious of yourself and stand behind the facade
of your False Personality and can acknowledge that it is a put-up job
of your own invention, if you can get behind False Personality, you will
be able to get into contact with people in a way that is impossible
otherwise. So the first step in increase of consciousness is to see through
yourself and acknowledge what you see. What is the result? Instantly
other people who are keeping up their facade of False Personality will
feel more at ease with you.
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Date: April 13, 2018 at 15:59:58
From: Just Forum Fan, [DNS_Address]
Subject: Re: seeing people less personally |
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DUUDE, you did it yet again!
This last line was golden, " Instantly
other people who are keeping up their facade of False Personality will
feel more at ease with you."
Yep, when our own façade leaves us, this is true in the above quote and dare I add something to it.
Those people that still have a façade are likely to feel drawn to you or seek you out when they are able to feel at ease with your "real-ness," so to speak.
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25943 |
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Date: April 13, 2018 at 10:34:41
From: shadow, [DNS_Address]
Subject: Great Rumi quote here.. |
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...that I know I've posted before...but, better that
than my sucking up mega bandwidth using way too may
words to translate my own experience/understanding of
the core truth Gurdjieff's illustrating there...lol
"If I really see you, I will laugh out loud,
or fall silent, or explode into a thousand pieces.
If I donft, I will be caught in the cement and stone of
my own prison."
;->
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Date: April 13, 2018 at 11:09:30
From: JimW, [DNS_Address]
Subject: Re: Great Rumi quote here.., I Love Rumi, amazing loving being(NT) |
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Date: April 15, 2018 at 14:19:58
From: Terra11, [DNS_Address]
Subject: Re: Great Rumi quote here.., I Love Rumi, amazing loving being(NT) |
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Wow Jim Did YOU say this??? THat you Love Rumi??? Cause if
YOU did THAT IS JUST AWESOME !!!
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Date: April 12, 2018 at 15:37:33
From: Sue/Seattle, [DNS_Address]
Subject: Re: seeing people less personally |
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I think technology has completely changed the game as
to how we see people and ourself. It would be
impossible to address this issue without acknowledging
that. Think about how we correspond with each other
now as compared to 50 years ago. And what may happen
in another 50 years?
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Date: April 12, 2018 at 22:24:55
From: ryan, [DNS_Address]
Subject: Re: seeing people less personally |
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the way things are going, face to face communication may be all that is left in a few years...
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Date: April 15, 2018 at 08:07:43
From: Nevada, [DNS_Address]
Subject: Re: seeing people less personally |
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...or we could communicate more telepathically if you
really want to get back to basics.
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25941 |
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Date: April 13, 2018 at 06:42:51
From: RIG, [DNS_Address]
Subject: Would that really be that bad?...(NT) |
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Date: April 13, 2018 at 10:21:48
From: ryan, [DNS_Address]
Subject: Re: every day is an opportunity...(NT) |
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Date: April 14, 2018 at 05:47:57
From: RIG, [DNS_Address]
Subject: One can only hope... ;)(NT) |
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Date: April 12, 2018 at 20:44:09
From: RIG, [DNS_Address]
Subject: Re: seeing people less personally |
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As far as how we correspond... Another 50 years?... Try
10... Or 5 even...
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Date: April 14, 2018 at 17:40:43
From: et, [DNS_Address]
Subject: Re: we correspond? that's news to me :-) (NT) |
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Date: April 12, 2018 at 14:17:23
From: JimW, [DNS_Address]
Subject: Re: seeing people less personally |
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We have a public persona which is basically
a cardboard character that we march out every day.
I know I sure do that, but what I have found is being
aware of it is a positive first step.
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