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Date: December 23, 2017 at 10:07:57
From: Sunshine, [DNS_Address]
Subject: About Karma |
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This might be wrong board for this. Sorry if it is Mr. Bopp.
It is wisdom from a Being called Tanaath, who is an Andromedan Incarnate- in human form - ( dont roll your eyes - hehe ) and the web page is www.silverlegion.orq. She shares alot of the Andromedan Ships and crew activities ( like taking down the Draco ships ) in the Alex Collier Tubes. She is consciously connected to the Benevolant Andromedans.
I very much like her explanation of Karma. I have been struggling with the idea of Karma for a long time. For example, many say that Divine Source "Allows All and Judges Nothing". Well, in that case, why do we think we will get Karma if we do something wrong - and who is to judge it as wrong anyway.
Also, on the other hand, so many on this planet do so much harm and evil to others ( my perception of what harm and evil is, someone elses perception might be different ) and they never get any karma. Its almost like the Universe says to them " keep on hurting people, be as greedy as you want, and you will blessed even more with your hearts desires". You know what I mean people? Its crazy!
So, been struggling with this Karma thing. For me, I have a little bad thought, next thing I know, I stub my toe. Now, maybe its a prgrammed belief system I am carrying ( probably ), but it definately is active in my life. So here is the little blurb of Karma by Taanath.
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Karma
Ahh, Karma. Karma is a favourite concept of the New Age community. For most people, Karma is the concept that what you do returns on you – i.e., bad people get punished by circumstances that bring about nasty things for them to experience, and good people get rewarded by circumstances that bring about good things for them to experience. Unfortunately, that’s not how Karma works. Nor is Karma some kind of multi-lifetime punishment and reward system that penalizes or rewards you for actions taken in previous lives, as is another popular conception of Karma. Karma isn’t a spiritual petty cash box where you can do something ‘wrong’ and a few things ‘right’ and come out even at the end of the day.
All of these conceptions, along with many of the other popular framings of Karma as a mechanism for universal revenge and reward, are distortions of the truth intended to disempower us and shift the blame for atrocity and suffering onto the heads of those experiencing the suffering. The notion of Karma is also used to pacify us and keep us from taking action against abusive people, under the assumption that bad people doing evil things will somehow end up punished without anyone having to actively oppose or resist them. Both blaming the sufferer, and assuming that somehow the universe is going to ‘take care of it’ without the effort or input of any other actor, are insidious and destructive effects. They encourage passivity and inaction. They take advantage of our natural desire for justice and the righting of wrongs, and hand-wave those natural desires away as something that will all get taken care of eventually – while permitting those very wrongs and injustices to continue unaltered and unhindered.
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Date: December 24, 2017 at 08:17:21
From: KAN DAEK, [DNS_Address]
Subject: This is what Karma IS and I have taught this here |
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Your mental body stores every thing.. all kinds o any old shit on electrons.
Electrons store your mind stuff.
AS over time you learn the TRUTH.. these electrons carrying your any old
shit.. convert to photons storing ONLY Truth. As this occurs over long
periods your light body begins to form in fact. Because your MIND is of
LIGHT because Truth is stored on photons.
Thats karma in a simple clear NUTSHELL. enjoy. it is simply the process of
clearing up any old shit.
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Date: December 24, 2017 at 11:20:34
From: JimW, [DNS_Address]
Subject: Re: Many of us on here do not see you as a teacher(NT) |
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Date: December 25, 2017 at 12:33:49
From: KAN DAEK, [DNS_Address]
Subject: Re: Many of us on here do not see you as a teacher(NT) |
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To bad Jim.. for I am the Planetary Christ of this age of growing up and my
roll will move well beyond what i engage in on forums during this process
until the world is rebooted... which is quite soon now.. its under progress in
fact.
This world is full of hate because of the lack of truth... and we are going to
catch the remaining planetary peoples up to the actual truth so they won't
wage war on each other.
Just because MY teaching disagrees with what you ones have been taught
in this life does not make me wrong. YOU WILL GROW IF YOU CHOOSE TO
CONTINUE YOUR ETERNAL LIVES INTO MORE ADVANCING SONS OF GOD..
who know and are familiar with basic cosmology.
the karma teaching I gave is completely accurate in fact. Each of you cleans
up your any old shit on your electrons to truth which then stores on
photons. That is how it works. Take or leave it. Your free will choice of
course.
Merry Christmas.. is you are one that does Christmas. I do not. Because
its so materialistic.
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Date: December 28, 2017 at 15:28:45
From: Dan, [DNS_Address]
Subject: I'm Leaving It |
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I guess I have to wear hip boots to come on this board.
No Thanks
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Date: December 27, 2017 at 04:59:51
From: _ , [DNS_Address]
Subject: Your teachings aren't the problem |
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No one here has a problem with your
teachings Candace. But egotistical
attitude and the hatred and judgment
you lavish upon all who think for
themselvesa as opposed to bowing
before your ego is what people DO have
a problem with.
Understand that until you curb your
ego, you will never have any hope of
being a true messiah.
Your message is fine and I agree with
much of the core of it if not the
decorative elements that the mind
necessarily uses to comprehend. You
however get in the way of your own
messiahood by expecting people to
unthinkingly follow you and chastizing
and hating them when they don't.
I wouldn't be posting if I didn't
think your ideas had merit, but again,
your ego betrays your messiahhood.
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Date: December 29, 2017 at 20:57:43
From: Karin, [DNS_Address]
Subject: Re: Your teachings aren't the problem |
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you nailed it pretty good
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Date: December 27, 2017 at 14:13:46
From: Eve, [DNS_Address]
Subject: Re: Your teachings aren't the problem |
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p.s.
There is only ONE Messiah.
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Date: December 27, 2017 at 14:09:46
From: Eve, [DNS_Address]
Subject: Re: Your teachings aren't the problem |
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Speak for yourself...I got a issues and have voiced them already.
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Date: December 27, 2017 at 15:32:39
From: _ , [DNS_Address]
Subject: Eh, fair enough. :-)(NT) |
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Date: December 25, 2017 at 09:10:12
From: Karin, [DNS_Address]
Subject: Re: Many of us on here do not see you as a teacher(NT) |
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we sure don't need any more dictators or tyrants
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Date: December 23, 2017 at 20:26:16
From: Jeannie., [DNS_Address]
Subject: Re: About Karma |
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Very interesting subject. I've been wondering about Karmic consequences
over these past months. Daily we're assailed with exposures of the rich and
powerful perverts in the media, entertainment politics, business, etc.
There does seem to be a "Divine Justice" at work after all.
There has been many so-called prophesies about a time of "feminine rising"
and future "Transparency"toward all things that are hidden.
Might just be coincidental, but these revelations and consequent
humiliations would certainly fit with the idea of Karma.
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Date: December 23, 2017 at 12:24:30
From: ryan, [DNS_Address]
Subject: Re: About Karma |
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it is the proper board sunshine...but i'm not buying it...in the science realm, karma is expressed as "for every action there is an opposite and equal reaction"...and right or wrong has nothing to with it...my understanding is that karma is not only multi-lifetime, it is multi-generational...so one can really atone, or pay, for the sins of their fathers...sorry, but this "being" sounds way off-base to me, and is basically preaching the eye for an eye revenge approach to life...that will not help one along the path of self-development...
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Date: December 23, 2017 at 17:14:42
From: Akira, [DNS_Address]
Subject: Re: About Karma |
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So you consider karma a law of physics? Is there any empircal evidence
that's been tested & is repeatable to support that?
Hey, you brought up science.
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Date: December 23, 2017 at 18:47:04
From: ryan, [DNS_Address]
Subject: Re: About Karma |
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just 2 views of the same phenomena by aspects of reality that won't/can't reconcile, science and spirituality/religion.....
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Date: December 23, 2017 at 16:17:58
From: Sunshine, [DNS_Address]
Subject: Re: About Karma |
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Thanks for your comments Ryan.
I never considered it from the percpective you shared.
I zeroed in on the punishment thing. And was glad that was a non
issue. That always scared me.
It makes sense, what you wrote.
Still confused about karma tho.
I don't think they have it on other planets.
It's a earth control thing. Just IMHO.
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Date: December 23, 2017 at 12:30:05
From: pamela, [DNS_Address]
Subject: Re: About Karma |
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"The notion of Karma is also used to pacify us and keep us from taking action against abusive people, under the assumption that bad people doing evil things will somehow end up punished without anyone having to actively oppose or resist them. Both blaming the sufferer, and assuming that somehow the universe is going to ‘take care of it’ without the effort or input of any other actor, are insidious and destructive effects. They encourage passivity and inaction."
THis is what I agree with. I have seen it all too often used against people.
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Date: December 23, 2017 at 12:58:04
From: ryan, [DNS_Address]
Subject: Re: About Karma |
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it does no good to oppose or interact with mechanical humans...the best one can do is work on their own being and affect the rest with the ensuing ripples...you can't get hung up on what others are doing when you have so many "faults" of your own to deal with...
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Date: December 23, 2017 at 13:02:18
From: pamela, [DNS_Address]
Subject: Re: About Karma |
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Case in your point where you opposed, wasn't it the ending fluoridation in the water up there? There are all kinds of things we can oppose to make a better outcome.
Writing our congress critters/making calls, standing up in a court of law for testimony against alleged perpetrators.
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Date: December 30, 2017 at 10:09:39
From: Jeannie., [DNS_Address]
Subject: Re: About Karma |
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Pamela, I agree. Recently a close friend, a devout Christian, was unfairly
treated in his professional position.
His dilemma as a Christian...forgive the abusers and let "Divine Justice"
handle the outcome' or pursue the matter through his lawyer.
To make the story short, he opted to go the lawyer route, and won a
handsome settlement.
Was this a Karmic "settlement" or an inspired action to right a wrong,
makes one think!
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Date: December 23, 2017 at 14:13:29
From: ryan, [DNS_Address]
Subject: Re: About Karma |
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i never said i was perfect...but in general, i think that is a moot point...certainly there are generally more righteous ways of acting, but the central issue is our own load of crap that shapes everything we do...it is way too easy to get sidetracked doing what we, in our mechanicalness, ascertain are beneficial or positive actions
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Date: December 23, 2017 at 14:37:40
From: JimW, [DNS_Address]
Subject: Re: ryan, interesting discussion,my two cents |
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The simplest answer that seems to work for me is taht
Karma is essentially Cause and Effect.
But I like to think of that as one single word,
Cause-Effect. Every cause creates an effect.
Therefore, maybe,not sure, maybe Karma is neither go nor
bad, loving vs unloving.
Kinda like the Zen definition of truth and reality:
What is, is. What isn't isn't.
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Date: December 23, 2017 at 16:33:48
From: Sunshine, [DNS_Address]
Subject: Re: ryan, interesting discussion,my two cents |
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I wonder if ones Intention behind a Cause also has an affect on the
Effect.
Malicious intentions would produce a different effect, that the same
act, with neutral, passive, kind or unknowing intentions would
produce.
That was kinda confusing but I think you understand,
The new thing is all about INTENTIONS, and how powerful they are
in the creation of ones reality.
Well, if they are so powerful, they definately are a CAUSE, and thus
would affect the EFFECT.
( this is confusing - hehe )
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Date: December 23, 2017 at 14:40:12
From: JimW, [DNS_Address]
Subject: Re: ryan, Meant to say good nor bad(NT) |
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Date: December 23, 2017 at 14:21:32
From: pamela, [DNS_Address]
Subject: Re: About Karma |
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Well life is about lots of distraction isn't it? To live in a vacuum won't get us anywhere either.
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Date: December 23, 2017 at 11:34:27
From: pamela, [DNS_Address]
Subject: Re: About Karma} more on Karma from Cayce |
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I happen to agree with this concept Sunshine;
often people use the karma thing to allow bad things.
Grace over karma makes much more sense to me as the Christ taught and showed it.
This is an excerpt from John Van Auken‘s book, From Karma to Grace: The Power of the Fruits of the Spirit
The word karma originated in the ancient Indo-Aryan language of Sanskrit, which is the religious language of Hinduism and Buddhism. It comes from a root word that means “to do, to make.” The broader meaning of this term is that thoughts, spoken words, and physical actions create a response in both the macrocosm of the outer life and the microcosm of the inner life of an individual soul. Even the most private thoughts, words, and actions generate a reaction as well as make an impression on an ethereal film of the collective consciousness, what is referred to as the akasha in Hinduism, which is comparable to the Western concept of the “Book of Life” for each soul and, in metaphysical circles, often called the Akashic Record.
Interestingly, when Edgar Cayce would enter a deep, meditative trance to read the Akashic Record, he explained that thoughts were as real as actions, so much so that he had to strain to determine whether the soul seeking the reading actually did something or just thought about doing it. In the greater scheme of life, especially soul life, thoughts are as real as actions. Here are two of Cayce’s readings on this matter:
The Mind—which is of the earth earthy but of heaven heavenly, and divine—is the builder, and so the thoughts may become crimes or miracles depending upon how they are applied in the experience of each soul in its sojourn through any period of activity in the earth. But, as has been intimated, know that the thought of a soul influences the sun, the moon, and all the heavenly hosts; for as you do unto the least of your brethren you do it unto the Creator. O that men would learn, would become conscious, that as you think of those—even though they beguile you, though they deride you, though they tamper with your own purpose—as you do unto them, you do it unto God. –
Edgar Cayce reading 315-4
For mind is the builder and that which we think upon may become crimes or miracles. For thoughts are things and as their currents run through the environs of an entity’s experience these become barriers or steppingstones. – Edgar Cayce reading 906-3
In Hinduism (originating approximately 7000 years ago, or millions of years ago, according to the Ramayana), the word karma first appears in the Rig Veda, the oldest portion of the Vedas, which are the religious texts of Hinduism. Veda means “knowledge.” Rig Veda means “knowledge in verse” and is a collection of poetic hymns written some 3700 to 3300 years ago. In the Rig Veda, karma means “religious sacrifice.” Curiously, there is no suggestion in the Rig Veda of its later meaning as a reactive force affecting a soul’s character and circumstances. There is some indication of this in the Upanishads (another portion of the Vedas, written roughly 2800 to 2400 years ago).
Here it is taught that action creates tendencies in a soul, which then produce further action, and as a result, further reaction, or karma. According to these teachings, the soul’s subtle body (the “vehicle of consciousness”; sukshma sarira in Hinduism) carries the seeds of karma, and the physical body and world are the fields in which the reaction is experienced. Hence more karma is also created, which generates a recurring cycle of birth, death, and rebirth for the soul. The soul becomes caught up in a cycle of action and reaction.
Vedanta (another part of the Vedas) and Yoga (six distinct Hindu philosophies) speak of three kinds of karma: (1) karma to be experienced during the present lifetime, (2) the karma sown in the present life and reaped in a future life, and (3) latent karma, or the carry-over of karma to be experienced at some point when the stimulation is just right to bring it to the surface again. Liberation (moksha) is freedom from karma.
When liberation is attained, the great storehouse of latent karma is burned up and present-life karma is resolved. The liberated soul creates no new karma and, at death, having no more karma, is no longer caught in the wheel of birth, death, and rebirth. The idea that latent karma can be dissipated in the fire of enlightenment is fundamental to this book’s intention.
The fire we are speaking of is that which cleanses consciousness, purges negative habits, and purifies intentions. This is not only an Eastern but a Western teaching, also found in Western Scripture and teachings, as exemplified in these quotations:
Our God is a consuming fire. — Hebrews 12:29
I baptize you with water for repentance, but he who is coming after me . . . he will baptize you with the Holy Spirit and with fire. — Matthew 3:10
Fire is often a metaphor for the Spirit, especially the cleansing Spirit that burns up karma and its reappearing influences, leaving one renewed and strong. In this book we will study the “Fruits of the Spirit,” which are those practices and dispositions that contain the seeds of the Spirit and, when enlivened through application in our daily lives and nurtured in our innermost being, ignite the cleansing Spirit. We will also learn about the magical power of Grace and its role in our soul growth and mental enlightenment.
Fundamental to the teaching of karma is the responsive nature of thought, word, and action. The motivating influence generating thoughts, words, and actions creates a corresponding response. If the intention is in harmony with the Creative Forces, then so-called good karma results. If the intention is destructive, or out of harmony with the universal life force and the ideal pattern for all life, then bad karma results.
It is important to understand that the response is neutral; in other words, it is without passion. A simple universal law governs it: Whatever we do with our free will—in thought, word, or action—comes back upon us. The response is not motivated by retribution or punishment but by the Grace of the Divine to educate and enlighten.
The law is intended to help the doer better grasp his or her effect upon self, others, and the whole of creation. We express our knowledge of this law when we say “what goes around comes around” and “be careful what you wish for.” In our sacred Scriptures we find: “An eye for an eye”; “As you sow, so shall you reap”; and “With what measure you measure, so shall it be measured to you.”
These sayings articulate the law of karma. Even scientists observe that for every action there is an equal and opposite reaction. The law is unavoidable and immutable. Jesus taught that not one jot will be erased from the law and warned that those who teach otherwise are deceiving themselves and others.
(Matthew 5:18) There is an old saying whose origin is lost in antiquity, but Tryon Edwards, a theologian in the 1800s, republished it. It reveals the creative process of karma:
Watch your thoughts, for they become words.
Watch your words, for they become actions.
Watch your actions, for they become habits.
Watch your habits, for they become character.
Watch your character, for it becomes your destiny.
We are what we have thought, spoken, and done. Our destiny is the karma of our previous thoughts, words, and actions; but more than that, it is a habit pattern that we are building. And, as with most habits, it will be difficult to stop. Our motivations, expectations, and concerns (even fears) shape our inner and outer reality. Fortunately, the law is ever in effect, and therefore we can change our tomorrows and our character by engaging better thoughts, words, and actions today.
Karma does not always result as an immediate response. It may lie dormant within the heart and mind and on an etheric fabric of the collective consciousness until some stimulant awakens it. Often this response comes in a future experience and new setting, possibly even with different souls from those with whom it originated, although it is more likely that they are the same souls but with new personalities in different settings. The outer self often feels unfairly put upon, having no memory of the origins of these responses, habits, and character traits.
And although they are innate, the outer self rarely comprehends their presence, because karma belongs to the deeper self, the soul self. In one respect, karma is deep memory, within both the individual and the collective memory. Since the outer mind is often focused on current situations, it does not see the whole of soul life and soul karma—it lives on this side of a veil that separates inner consciousness from physical consciousness.
In some ways this is a blessing because it removes the weight of guilt, fear, and self-condemnation. In other ways it is painful and confusing because the outer self cannot understand why these things are happening and where its poor habits come from. But the lesson to be learned is not so much for the outer, earthly self but for the inner, eternal soul, and the soul learns through the senses of the outer self.
Of course, if the outer and inner selves have made progress toward cooperation and reunion, then both may know and understand what is going on—and the veil that separates them becomes less opaque.
This excerpt comes from the book From Karma to Grace: The Power of the Fruits of the Spirit, available at ARECatalog.com, where you can also view the author bio and video interviews with John Van Auken.
This entry was posted in Spiritual Guidance and tagged Edgar Cayce, Edgar Cayce book, From Karma to Grace, grace, John Van Auken, karma, universal laws. Bookmark the permalink.
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Date: December 29, 2017 at 11:52:28
From: Dan , [DNS_Address]
Subject: Re: About Karma} more on Karma from Cayce |
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Interesting! There is something we can agree on. I have been a student of Cayce for many years.
I have used his readings and books about him for self study. He advocated self study to advance yourself. Many times he would ask the inquirer "Are ye serious or are ye curious". The implication being will you use the information to better yourself or just pass it off.
I would keep that in mind while asking a question. Understanding past lives and how they pertain to a present one is helpful in understanding and dealing with roadblocks, disappointments if you will. It is also helpful in understanding one's "station" in life.
no matter how you slice it, because of our individual vibrations, we still end up in the very same spot if we tried to do it over.
So now I'm rambling. But again self study is a huge key in my opinion. Learning how to frame your mind to ask questions and receive answers, learning to notice clues to prior life experiences is essential.
Cayce gives directions in his readings as to how to do this through meditation as I'm sure you know. Knowledge is within.
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Date: December 31, 2017 at 15:05:23
From: pamela, [DNS_Address]
Subject: Re: About Karma} more on Karma from Cayce |
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Yes. I began an inquiry about my past lives in the 70's.(before I ever read much of Cayce) I was given dreams over the years to show me what they were. From then to the present time in fact.
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Date: December 29, 2017 at 18:27:28
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Dan, you did not sound as if you were rambling. Meaty thoughts you shared. I for one hope to read more of your "ramblings" on this subject.
Self examination/soulsearching is most valuable and in fact without it done in sincerity and honesty, meditation becomes self-hypnosis at best and at worst it becomes a mental escape/copout, IMO.
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Date: December 30, 2017 at 05:27:08
From: Dan, [DNS_Address]
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Prayer is "speaking to God". Meditation is "listening
to God".
Clearly, you have no idea what meditation is or how it
is performed.
First, through self study, you should find your
"ideal", your spiritual purpose. Then when entering the
meditative state, you focus on that "ideal".
The Book Of Revelation is actually a symbolic key of
using meditation to open the seven main spiritual
centers. It also says symbolically what happens when
those centers are opened.
It am not sure if I still have the web site that
explains all of this or if it is in one of my Cayce
books. It has been a very long while since I have
discussed this particular topic.
The medical benefits resulting from meditation are
clearly documented. It helps to lower stress and lower
blood pressure.
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Date: December 30, 2017 at 17:35:40
From: Just Forum Fan, [DNS_Address]
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Dan, I know meditation intimately and have for years.
It is certainly true that there are various forms of meditation.
Prayer is not just "talking to God." Meditation *is prayer, silent prayer. The bible I cherish says, among other things that The Spirit intercedes and prays for us, sorry I forget the verbage it uses.
It is you that is lacking understanding. There is no one way to meditate. There is, however meditation that is actually self-hypnosis, like saying "ommm" (or anything else) repeatedly over a period of time.
No, true enlightenment isn't "studying" but silent realization with the purest motive of seeing our own faults and not making excuses for them or denying they even exist.
Yes, true meditation is a wonderful treatment for PTSD and even a cure, for some.
Self awareness is the preventative and cure, both.
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Date: December 31, 2017 at 10:16:31
From: Dan, [DNS_Address]
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Just because you don't understand what I am saying, and
clearly you don't, doesn't mean that I am kackimg in
understanding.
In each of our searches for spiritual guidance we find
what we need to progress.
The Bible you so cherish also says "seek and ye shall
find" "knock and the door shall be opened to you".
"Prayer is not just "talking to God." Meditation *is
prayer, silent prayer"
I entirely disagree. Prayer can be out loud or silent.
Either way it is still prayer. Meditation is quieting
the mind, learning to be still and to just "be".
Using advanced meditation techniques can access the
Spirit.
Using a mantra is not self hypnosis. A mantra
penetrates the depths of the unconscious mind and
adjust the vibration of all aspects of your being. It
is a very ancient technique.
In spite of your proclaimed vast experiances with
meditation, you seem to have a very narrow western
understanding of this very ancient spiritual exercise.
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Date: December 31, 2017 at 11:39:06
From: Just Forum Fan, [DNS_Address]
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That door swings both ways, Dan. Just because you don't agree with the what I say or the way I say it does not mean I don't know a thing about meditation.
Ditto about seeking and finding. The more hungry we are, and IMO the more we walk in what we have found, the more we are given.
I could not disagree more. To repeat something is to hynotize ourselves. Nothing supernatural happens at our hands or craftiness. We do not have a key that we use, and bingo we've caused greater depth. It's *all a gift, as you mentioned earlier, about seeking.
We are fools if we think we make good meditations or "do it better than others," etc. We can be the receivers of good gifts or the conduit for same, but it is never from or of us. It's all gifted.
The only thing that determines if a meditation is "advanced" is not the technique, as if we are crafty geniuses. It's the sincerity level of our searching that determines the meditation.
Afterall, what meditation truly is, is seeking for the something that's greater than us, that author, whatever it is or whoever it may be that opens the third eye for us to truly see.
It is you that is narrow. You think it's just one way, one way to describe it and that since I don't sound like you, you think you've got it and I do not. See your foolishness on this, as you sound like the various christian cults that insist others are lost but that they've "found it."
I meditate to and in the name of Jesus, but without any formality, recipe, ritual so to speak. I know in my silent heart of hearts that it's Jesus that I am reaching for and I do not have to as much as invoke His name, though at times I do think it or even say it.
We're all, *if* sincerely seeking, on the same path towards the light. I say/think "His" light while you may not, all the while, "He" is reaching back to both of us if we are both sincere to our bone marrow.
See it, Dan. In trying to convince me that you've got it, you're truly on your way but still poorly lacking.
See you on the other side, IMO. Yeah, I suspect you, too are sincere.
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Date: January 01, 2018 at 09:28:07
From: Nevada, [DNS_Address]
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...it's not the "depth" of the meditation, but what
you do in your life with the "fruits" of you
meditation.
Ideally, you "life" should be synonymous with your
meditation.
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Date: January 01, 2018 at 14:39:52
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Good points.
Personally, I've found over the years immediately as well as looking far-back, that when I take the time to meditate at-length which facilitates "in-depth," that my time has born more fruit.
I let myself get way into the holiday season with our adult kids with their families coming. We were all so happy & excited since we live thousands of miles apart from each other, that they phoned more times per day & I allowed that to keep me from practicing silence as I should.
I found myself a bit agitated at times, resentful at one situation when I Know that resentment itself is toxic and wasted energy, etc.
Dang straight on the ideal and that's the objective. I still fail miserably but not fulltime.
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Date: January 10, 2018 at 13:34:51
From: Nevada, [DNS_Address]
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...sometimes it's useful to "multi-task and let your
"life" become your meditation.
I used to "go" places to meditate, now in recent
years I have concentrated more on "creating" places
to "meditate"...
....somehow it is easier to go "deeper" when you are
by definition, already "immersed"... in the process.
It's good that you have a family that stays immersed
in your life.
I tend to celebrate Christmas all year... cuts down
on travel time...
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Date: December 31, 2017 at 13:07:34
From: Dan, [DNS_Address]
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"I meditate to and in the name of Jesus"
And so do I, although I refer to it differently, it is
the same.
On the rest we must agree to disagree. While I
understand where you are coming from, I have broken
free of limiting ideas and attitudes. I find your
perceptions of meditation to be confining. They seem to
be encased in the same type of Christian doctrine that
I find so constricting. You have no idea what I am
saying to you. It is the fault of neither you or I.
Mind is the builder.
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Date: December 31, 2017 at 22:19:49
From: Just Forum Fan, [DNS_Address]
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Agreed to disagree. I appreciate the dialogue that you continued.
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Date: December 31, 2017 at 09:22:15
From: Nevada, [DNS_Address]
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...honestly "seeing" our faults is a good step,
removing them in our everyday life is even better.
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Date: December 31, 2017 at 11:28:30
From: Just Forum Fan, [DNS_Address]
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Nevada, darn tootin and part of removing them is realizing how "on auto pilot" we are for much of our lives. Again, the magic is in the self-realization and without it I doubt I've ever improved in my faults very much.
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Date: December 31, 2017 at 10:20:54
From: Dan, [DNS_Address]
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I consider the Catholic practice of self examination to
be a form of meditation.
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Date: December 31, 2017 at 11:42:19
From: Just Forum Fan, [DNS_Address]
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I dig what you said about the Catholic self-examination while I don't know their protocol for doing such.
Soulsearching remains at the heart of any spiritual life at all.
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Date: December 31, 2017 at 12:52:55
From: Dan, [DNS_Address]
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These days I am not a practicing Catholic.
I don't believe that I need a priest as an intermediary
between myself and God in order to confess my sins and
be forgiven anyway.
I try to examine my actions and attitudes on a daily
basis, however.
Here is a link for you.
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Date: January 01, 2018 at 09:32:16
From: Nevada, [DNS_Address]
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...confessing is a start, striving to live a self-
realized life is even better.
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Date: January 01, 2018 at 14:41:42
From: Just Forum Fan, [DNS_Address]
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"...confessing is a start, striving to live a self-
realized life is even better."
So many folks never confess, least not where we know they have, that I have great hopes that most folks that do confess are also striving as you describe.
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Date: December 23, 2017 at 16:27:50
From: Sunshine, [DNS_Address]
Subject: Re: About Karma} more on Karma from Cayce |
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That was good Pamela. I learned alot from all that you have shared
here, including this long explanation. Very interesting.
It really also annoys me when evil people hurt others, constantly, with
no karmic repercussions, no justice of any kind inflicted on them.
Cause and effect not working with them. Just a free rein our planet to
hurt and harm and take from others.
And good people, who are loving and kind and compassionate, get
harmed, constantly, it seems.
Makes me wonder what kind of freakin Divine Being allows this and
also I get so angry at the Universe sometimes,
It stems from frustration and confusion and attempting to resolve
what I believed at the core of my Being, yet more and more, as I
look out at our world, am realizing my core beliefs have been false,
It leaves one feeling so empty and alone sometimes.
Thank you for commenting and sharing your views.
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Date: December 23, 2017 at 16:50:45
From: ryan, [DNS_Address]
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it is not that the supreme being allows it, it is just part of the architecture of the creation...and that architecture has unfolded as it only could as a result of the initial act of creation...the supreme being is far removed from us and likely not even aware of the struggles we experience out here on the fringe...those who worshiped the sun were not stupid...just about everything we have comes from the solar level...that level is what created organic life and gave humans the possibility of self-development...a rather unique opportunity, which unfortunately, has mostly been erased from the human knowledge bank...it is overwhelming to experience good, loving people having to suffer so much...but if one lets it become mind-numbing, then opportunity easily slips away...
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Date: December 29, 2017 at 12:01:51
From: Dan , [DNS_Address]
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Very well stated Ryan, probably much better than I could have.
And yes the ancients did have much more insight than we might think at first glance. Cayce stated that the sun rules the solar system, "to show God is indeed mindful of His children". I am totally dumbfounded and in awe when I think of the design and what it means.
I never realized you were so well versed on Cayce.
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Date: December 23, 2017 at 18:39:07
From: Sunshine, [DNS_Address]
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I betcha there are other Creations out there ( in the multi verse,
maybe in other dimensions ) that are completely different from this
one, and Beings hold much more of their light, and therefore more of
their Spirit, and are of a much higher vibration and more closely
connected to Divine Source/All That Is, and thus the concepts that
we have been discussing here would not even be an issue.
It would be a whole different way of existing, Peaceful coexistence
being one of its main virtues.
I would very much enjoy incarnating into one of those my next
lifetime, and not into this dense 3D holographic Matrixed reality.
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Date: December 24, 2017 at 07:09:55
From: et, [DNS_Address]
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Maybe there are other Creations out there and maybe there
aren't... maybe this one here is a delusional one, or the real
deal and maybe we are not really here and just think that we
are... maybe karma is as you say a tool to pacify victims of
violence into not resisting and allowing to happen all sort of
things... then again this most dense existence maybe it and
each better do what best be done as better be done or else...
Do realize that this is the third attempt to share something in
this thread and the other two messages where deliberately
deleted. I hope this one remains or that you do get to read it
before someone opts to delete this. Some work to help
others learn what best be learned and some work to inhibit
and obstruct learning what be best learned... each will be
called forth to the trial to be sentenced as to each particular
action and non-action and the ramifications produced... know
and understand that some will be rewarded with a
punishment or three and some will be 'punished' with a host
of rewards to hold and behold for all eternity... If you do what
better be done as best be done you will get to delight else
you might or you might not... and even if you do delight you
may perceive such delights in a way that be not delightful
until you learn what better be done as best be done and do
it... Thing is, if one be gone beyond where one may do what
better be done as best be done to do it... how is one to do
what better be done as best be done... especially when in
every opportunity one had to do it before one opted not to do
it before... Karma is indeed part of an enslavement ideology
where each gets infinitely rewarded from what they have
done... choose wisely what you do, and not do, least in
doing something, or not doing something, you sentence
yourself to an eternity in a place best not to visit even for an
instance...
Yes that are other places and times and creations completely
different from this one, and Beings get-hold-give much more
of the light, and therefore more learn what best be learned as
better be learned... Some think/feel that the Spirit domain
involves a much higher vibration and more closely connected
to Divine Source/All That Is, and thus seek the concepts
instead of seeking the realization of stuff be it matters
and/or/with issues that matter.
Yes some of the stuff shared here would not even be an issue
then and there or there and then, then again it may be a key
issue there and then and now and here. And given we be
presently here what are we going to do about this instance?
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Date: December 24, 2017 at 09:53:18
From: Sunshine, [DNS_Address]
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et, I read what you wrote and I tried to understand it.
But dude, it went right over my head.
Maybe I am stupid, but I can't figure out what you were trying to say.
I do better with wisdom clearly and simply written.
Like I said, maybe I am too stupid to understand, and maybe you
were actually sharing profound wisdom that I could not grasp,
But I am sorry to say, to me it was just gibberish, I could not figure it
out.
I did understand everyone else sharings in this Karma thread. Some
were quite in depth too, in their explanations,
Could not figure out what you are trying to get across.
So sorry about that.
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Date: December 24, 2017 at 12:44:18
From: et, [DNS_Address]
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I think you and anyone can and may figure out what was
stated by me and others irrespective of how smart or stupid
they happen to be ... it's sort of like that allegorical race
between the rabbit and the turtle... how fast one happened to
be hardly determined who would be getting to the finish line
first... or last... heck some do not even want to get into the
race to get there at all...
Some on this planet do so much good and beneficial acts to
help each and they tend to reap all sort of crap from others
Its almost like they are says to them " keep on doing good
and we are going to keep on hurting you and other people
you love" Do not be as generous as you want, for you will
blessed even more them who will turn against you with their
hearts desires demanding you do it for them or else...
I think You know what I meant to share ... in any event the
notion of karma implicating one get's what one deserves bind
one existence to what they have done and not done and well
some may get something not because of what they have
done and not done but because of what others have opted to
do and not do... I have a little good thought, next thing I
know, others who hate good thoughts are seeking to stub
and steal and distort this simple thought... Now, maybe its a
programmed belief system they be carrying ( probably ), but it
definitely is active in their life inducing them to do all sort of
not nice things... . So here is the little blurb to ponder and
wonder... what induces some to focus on characterizing
oneself as smart or as stupid instead of seeking to
understand something?
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Date: December 24, 2017 at 11:18:15
From: JimW, [DNS_Address]
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We old timers have experienced over 20 years of his
confusing gibberish.
Suggest you give up attempting to have a useful
dialogue.
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Date: December 23, 2017 at 18:50:13
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my understanding is there is only this one creation...but it does have different levels, and yes most of them have higher vibrations/frequencies...we are at the lower end...
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Date: December 24, 2017 at 10:01:20
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I hear that.....at the lower end of Creation.
We are at the butt crack of Creation - pardon my French !
Some have even theorized that this is a prison planet.
That is a scary thought, that means we did something so bad
somewhere in this universe, that we were exiled here to do penance,
For millienia we have been stuck in a loop, reincarnating over and
over and over.
And the malevolant et's and evil energies have taken advantage of
us, and feed on us. ! How do we get off this ride?
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Date: December 29, 2017 at 12:16:13
From: Dan , [DNS_Address]
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According to Cayce, we have imprisoned ourselves. As our original light bodies interacted with physical matter, they became heavier in vibration if you will, until we became so heavy we became trapped in matter. We began reincarnating over and over attempting to raise our vibration high enough to escape. This is done by spiritualizing our carnal desires. Any addictions we may have must be conquered here on the earth plane.
In Christian terms, we are the fallen angels.
Malevolent energies can only be harmful if you let them in. Visualize yourself bathed in white light, positive energy. I don't believe in malevolent et's sorry.
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Date: December 24, 2017 at 10:41:29
From: shadow, [DNS_Address]
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The only way "out" is IN. The only Truth that
contains, validates, forgives and redeems all
individual contexts of truth both conceptual and
experiential *within Itself* is Love. The only energy
with which we can imagine ourselves *separate from,*
or not falling under the umbrella of this greatest
Truth, is fear...because it's literally impossible to
BE separate from it.
In my understanding and experience, this is the deal.
Each individual working this out for themselves
comprises the entirety of human history...and perhaps
more. But that's another story.
Love and blessings within this HolyDay season...
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Date: December 24, 2017 at 11:29:12
From: Sunshine, [DNS_Address]
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Oh, now THAT was a great answer to my question.
Not sure if it would work, yet a really thoughtful and wise answer.
Thank you.
Blessings to you too.
In fact, Blessings to everyone here.
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Date: December 24, 2017 at 12:19:32
From: shadow, [DNS_Address]
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That's very kind Sunshine, thank you...but I'd like to
add that while I'm not sure our Ryan would necessarily
see this quite the same... ;-> ...if you read his post
to you below, in my humble opinion we're essentially
saying the same thing. The experiment in self-
development, the opportunity to teach ourselves to
identify with our essence, which moves us into a higher
frequency or resonance, *is* the journey from living
from fear to living from love...because Infinite Love
*is* what we are, in our Essence...
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Date: December 24, 2017 at 13:09:14
From: ryan, [DNS_Address]
Subject: Re: How do we get off this ride? |
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sounds quite the same to me...
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Date: December 24, 2017 at 17:08:41
From: Nevada, [DNS_Address]
Subject: Re: How do we get off this ride? |
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...and in "one" sentence.
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Date: December 24, 2017 at 10:36:06
From: ryan, [DNS_Address]
Subject: Re: About Karma} more on Karma from Cayce |
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by realizing that, uniquely in the creation, we are an experiment of self-development that has given us the opportunity to move to a higher level...that is what humanity has forgotten, that this is a unique opportunity... we need to quit identifying with the human existence and grasp what our essence is...
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Date: December 24, 2017 at 12:16:33
From: Sunshine, [DNS_Address]
Subject: Two questions for you ryan |
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I like what you wrote very much ryan. Felt like truth. However, I have
two questions, which arose in reading what you shared.
Who is running the experiment?
And, if we are, in our true self, Divine Beings, why is an experiment
necessary in the first place ?
We are THAT, we can't get any better than being THAT, DIVINITY,
ALL KNOWING PRINCIPLE, DIVINE CREATOR BEINGS ourselves.
We just forgot, because of the densness and the Veil.
So why an experiment - which leads back to the question, who is
running the experiment ?
I do not like the idea of being a lab rat.
And it seems to me, that whom ever began THIS EXPERIMENT, has
long ago left the building.
Any thoughts on this would be appreciated.
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Date: December 24, 2017 at 17:05:30
From: Nevada, [DNS_Address]
Subject: ...who is "running" the experiment? |
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...you should.
How should you run it?
Put yourself in "overdrive".
How do I shift into "overdrive"?
...take "yourself" out of the "equation".
Works for me without a lot of unnecessary "verbiage"
that can take lifetimes to digest.
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Date: December 24, 2017 at 13:02:35
From: ryan, [DNS_Address]
Subject: Re: Two questions for you ryan |
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"Who is running the experiment?"
well in simple terms, the sun...that is the ruling level above ours and the creator of the experiment...and the level that we can attain if we can remember ourselves and stop identifying with the illusions of human life...
"And, if we are, in our true self, Divine Beings, why is an experiment necessary in the first place ?"
hard to explain because i have a tenuous grasp on that why...i've deduced that the experiment was created as a means for quicken the return of essence to the source...my understanding is that we have been given an essence of divinity...but as we live and are programmed by 3d reality, we lose the ability to remember that...since we are machines with 2 masters, we always serve a divine purpose, that of one or both...if we live unconsciously and mechanically then the enhanced awareness that we create through living experiences is taken and used, by the law of nature, to feed the level below us, the lowest level, that of the moon...so nature is one master...everything feeds on something else..the other possibility is to be guided by our own divine master, to remember who we are and live accordingly, which creates enough enhanced awareness to cover our obligation to nature, with a little left over which we can use to develop a "body" made of finer energies, sometimes called a soul, which may have the possibility of longer lasting or even eternal existence...enhanced awareness is created by suffering, which can be conscious or unconscious...the end game is to return all to the source, which has been made difficult by those who would believe they have anything of their own...
nobody likes being a lab rat, but that is the state of reality...you can't fight city hall as the saying goes...and who are you to not like anything? lol...this experiment may be coming to an end soon...which will mean the end of this opportunity...
some commentary on this line of thought from maurice nicoll:
Negative ideas have very great attractive power. A negative idea, such as that the Universe is meaningless, can draw millions into its vortex and hold them as in prison. This takes away the chance of individual growth from them and so renders them subjects for mass- suggestion. This is the effect of negative ideas—namely, to destroy individual importance and meaning and inner individual thought and make a man dependent on the outside and so more and more under the power of external life. We here catch a glimpse of the meaning of negative ideas as distinguished from positive ideas. A positive idea puts a man less and less under the power of the outside, of external life. You remember that it is constantly repeated in the Work that as long as life is the Third Force, you cannot change. That is, this inner development, possible for Man, which all esoteric teaching is about, cannot take place. The Work says that unless a man has undergone his destined development he remains in the experiment of creating a self- developing organism on Earth, as distinct from the animals and plants, etc., that form the main bulk of Organic Life. Life, as Third or Neutralizing Force, keeps outer Personality active and inner Essence passive. Yes, but one must begin to ponder for oneself as to what this means. The real man remains undeveloped by life. Only another force, coming from another direction and having another range of ideas, can bring about the lessening of the life-formed Personality, with its craving for visible rewards, and lead to the stirring and awakening of the inner man—the essential man—the development of which is the object of esoteric teaching.
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A man, a woman, in this Work, must learn by self-observation that what they seem to be, what they pretend to be outwardly, is not what they are internally. Realizing this, they begin to suffer from the sense of contradiction. This is useful suffering. The outer and inner must conform eventually and become one—a unity. Man asleep takes him- self for granted as a unity. When he begins to observe himself, he realizes he is two in the broadest sense—that is, what he pretends to be and what he is. Then he must eventually become a unity. Then outer and inner are the same. This is the first step. To be kind to a person outwardly and hate and murder him inwardly is the ordinary state of Man asleep. In this psychological state nothing can change in the man. He is a failure in the experiment of self-development.
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As you know, the Work teaches that Man is an experiment on this planet. He was created a self-developing organism, as distinguished from the animals and plants which are given their lives via the mind of Instinctive Centre. Man as a 3-storey being has a certain inner task, which has been spoken of in different forms, religious or other- wise, from the beginning of history. This inner task is inner develop- ment. This Work, which cannot be given in a nut-shell, is about what to do, what efforts are necessary, what is allowed in respect of this inner possibility destined-by-Creation, where a man, following by practice the teaching of this Work from sincere inner evaluation—that is, love of it—eventually can reach the state where the two Higher Centres or minds begin to influence him directly and then he passes under a control that fulfils his inborn meaning, and no longer serves nature blindly, as does sleeping humanity. He is then awake.
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I will contrast Violence with Understanding. Violence is the anti- thesis to Understanding. All violence has its roots in not understanding another. It is said in the Work that understanding is the most powerful force we can create and also that we have to create our lives. So we have to create understanding. Suppose you feel violent towards another person, and then let us imagine that you get to know and understand that person. You will no longer be violent. Now it is also said in the Work that all violence has its root in negative emotion. I said above that all violence has its root in not understanding. There is no contra- diction in this. It means simply that negative emotions do not lead to understanding but to violence. The more negative you are the less you understand and the more violent you tend to be. And since the Work says that understanding is the most powerful force we can create, it is clear that continual indulgence in and enjoyment of negative emotions can only create negative things. Understanding is a positive thing. So negative emotion cannot create understanding but only misunderstand- ing. Misunderstanding is not a positive thing. Some people even love to misunderstand. But this is simply to love negative emotions, for negative emotions never speak the truth. They are liars—often very clever liars—but always liars. If you are in a negative state, then everything is distorted and you understand nothing or misunderstand everything. Truth can be twisted into a thousand semi-truths—as, for example, someone said something to you but because you hate the person you twist it, leave out a bit, alter the sequence, and then you have a lie and not truth. Yet something in you, if you listen, tells you that you are lying. What tells you is Buried Conscience which is the herald of Higher Centres, as John the Baptist of Christ. Unless we had something in us that can, as it were, chemically, taste negative emotions, our case would indeed be hopeless. But after a time, through self- observation, you can tell, or rather, you are told internally, when you are negative, because a deep unhappiness goes with it. Otherwise we would have to learn everything inner by copy-book and blackboard. Fortunately, being born self-developing organisms—as the greatest experiment so far—we have inner senses and materials in us for this development. That is, we can create understanding, the most powerful thing.
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Date: December 29, 2017 at 12:23:48
From: Dan , [DNS_Address]
Subject: Re: Two questions for you ryan |
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"All violence has its roots in not understanding another"
That's true. I think there has to be a desire to understand in the first place.
According to Cayce, conflict began to occur when there was a desire of one to impose his will upon another. That would indicate a lack of desire to understand.
Just a thought.
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Date: December 24, 2017 at 18:22:10
From: Sunshine, [DNS_Address]
Subject: Re: Two questions for you ryan - THANK YOU |
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Thank you ryan.
And can I just say, holy cow, you are so intelligent !
Will have to read your post again to really understand the depth of it.
But wow, lots of new info for my brain to absorb.
Thank you for taking the time to share what you did,
I am blown away by your level of understanding and comprehension
of spirituality and the nuances of the human psyche.
Merry Christmas to you.
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Date: December 24, 2017 at 19:18:24
From: ryan, [DNS_Address]
Subject: Re: Two questions for you ryan - THANK YOU |
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merry christmas sunshine! that feels good to say...
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Date: December 24, 2017 at 14:15:33
From: et, [DNS_Address]
Subject: and the lab rat experiment produce a smarter rat than the experimenter(NT) |
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Date: December 24, 2017 at 12:01:40
From: Allison K., [DNS_Address]
Subject: Re: About Karma} more on Karma from Cayce |
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I couldn't have said it any better.
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Date: December 24, 2017 at 07:21:13
From: et, [DNS_Address]
Subject: Re: are we all at the lower end as you claimed... |
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... or are some at higher levels?
be mindful that maybe the denser levels of manifested
matters be higher concentrations of energy which some
spirits seeks to possess or have others spirits vacate the
premises.
Now as to the issue of there is only this one creation and it
does have different levels... yea sure that does seem to be
the case and as far as some know and will ever know ... we
are at the threshold between the lower end and the higher
beginnings... some opt to step forth and some opt to step
back and some move as one better move and do what better
be done as best be done. Make the correct choice else it
just might be your last chance at it.
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Date: December 23, 2017 at 11:35:08
From: pamela, [DNS_Address]
Subject: Re: About Karma} more on Karma from Cayce/link |
URL: http://www.edgarcaycebooksblog.com/spiritual-guidance/from-karma-to-grace/ |
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