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Date: October 20, 2017 at 16:04:14
From: ryan, [DNS_Address]
Subject: impurity of Emotional Centre |
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To return to the question of the impurity of Emotional Centre—
there is another impurity which is best illustrated by what Mr.
Ouspensky wrote about it in "Tertium Organum". I will make
the following quotations and then leave the matter for discussion,
emphasizing the observation: "It is impossible to know through impure
emotions."
Mr. Ouspensky wrote: "Impure emotion gives obscure, not pure
knowledge, just as impure glass gives a confused image. Pure emotion
gives a clear, pure image of that for the knowledge of which it is
intended. This is the only possible decision of the question. The arrival
at this conclusion saves us from the common mistake of moralists who
divide arbitrarily all emotion into "moral" and "immoral." But if we
try for a moment to separate emotions from their usual moral frames,
then we see that matters are considerably simpler, that there are no
in their nature pure emotions, nor impure in their nature, but that each
emotion will be pure or impure according to whether or not there are
admixtures of other emotions in it. There can be a pure sensuality,
the sensuality of the "Song of Songs" which initiates into the sensation
of cosmic life and gives the power to hear the beating pulse of nature.
And there can be impure sensuality, mixed with other emotions good
or bad from a moral standpoint but equally making muddy the funda-
mental feeling. There can be pure sympathy, and there can be
sympathy mixed with calculation to receive something for one's
sympathy. There can be pure love of knowledge, a thirst for knowledge
for its own sake, and there can be an inclination to knowledge wherein
consideration of utility or profit assume the chief importance.
"In their outer manifestation pure and impure emotions may differ
very little. Two men may be playing chess, acting outwardly very
similarly, but in one will burn self-love, desire of victory, and he will
be full of different unpleasant feelings towards his rival—fear, envy of
a clever move, spite, jealousy, animosity, or schemes to win, while the
other will simply solve a complex mathematical problem which lies
before him, not thinking about his rival at all. The emotion of the first
man will be impure, if only because it contains much of the mixed. The
emotion of the second will be pure. The meaning of this is of course
perfectly clear.
"Examples of a similar division of outwardly similar emotions may
be constantly seen in the aesthetic, literary, scientific, public, and even
the spiritual and religious activities of men. In all regions of this activity
only complete victory over the pseudo-personal elements leads a man
to the correct understanding of the world and of himself. All emotions
coloured by such self-elements are like concave, convex, or otherwise
curved glasses which reflect rays incorrectly and distort the image of
the world.
"Therefore the problem of emotional knowledge consists in a
corresponding preparation of the emotions which serve as organs of
knowledge. 'Become as little children . . .' and 'Blessed are the pure
in heart . . .' In these evangelical words is expressed first of all the
idea of the purification of the emotions. It is impossible to know
through impure emotions. Therefore in the interests of a correct under-
standing of the world and of the self, man should undertake the
purification and the elevation of his emotions."
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Date: October 30, 2017 at 05:35:02
From: RIG, [DNS_Address]
Subject: He dropped the ball... so close, too... |
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And he seemed so close to making a valid and
emotional point on emotions... yet...
The example of the gentlemen playing chess...
"In their outer manifestation pure and impure
emotions may differ very little. Two men may be
playing chess, acting outwardly very similarly, but
in one will burn self-love, desire of victory, and he
will be full of different unpleasant feelings towards
his rival—fear, envy of a clever move, spite,
jealousy, animosity, or schemes to win, while the
other will simply solve a complex mathematical
problem which lies before him, not thinking about his
rival at all. The emotion of the first man will be
impure, if only because it contains much of the
mixed. The emotion of the second will be pure. The
meaning of this is of course perfectly clear."
As expected, for this crowd the pure, or proper,
"emotion" is to shun emotion... the first man being
described as being potentially full of conflicting
and implied negative or "impure" emotions... while
the second man is described as solving a mathematical
problem, implying logic and reason as being "pure" or
superior path, and thinking nothing of his rival,
implying being purposefully devoid of emotion...
As I've said before whenever this topic is mindlessly
regurgitated, Emotion isn't bad in whatever form it
takes, it is a part of us, always has been and always
will be... without it we are less than what we are,
with it we are whole... the Key is to be Aware of you
Emotions, to own your own emotional state so that
others can't control you through them... THAT is
Emotional "Purity"...
I'm all about delving into Occult Knowledge, and the
Esoteric Philosophies of late, but seriously,
Gurdjieff and his Circle are a dead end that will
leave you Spiritually empty... now don't get your
panties in a twist and delete this post bopp, take
this for the Truthful observation and warning that it
is and move on to greener fields...
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Date: October 30, 2017 at 10:28:37
From: ryan, [DNS_Address]
Subject: Re: He dropped the ball... so close, too... |
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he wasn't talking about shunning emotion...as usual, you totally missed the point and spun what he was saying based on your own interpretation of reality...
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Date: October 20, 2017 at 18:14:00
From: Just Forum Fan, [DNS_Address]
Subject: Re: impurity of Emotional Centre |
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I meditate in hopes of harnassing my emotions as well the monkey mind.
It's imperative to someday arrive at controlling what has too many times controlled me.
Damn, exaggerated emotions.
Don't know about you but with me it's, way too often been "two steps forward, one back."
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Date: October 20, 2017 at 18:47:34
From: ryan, [DNS_Address]
Subject: Re: impurity of Emotional Centre |
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it seems more often it is 1 step forward, 2 back...lol
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Date: October 21, 2017 at 12:03:34
From: Just Forum Fan, [DNS_Address]
Subject: Re: impurity of Emotional Centre |
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Ya got me there, on the one forward, two back. In my sixties and master of nothing, not yet anyway.
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