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Date: April 26, 2017 at 12:37:38
From: ryan, [DNS_Address]
Subject: What then should I do? |
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A question was then asked: "What then should I do?"
This question always arises in everyone's mind. The Work-answer
is about what you should not do. The question should be: "What then
should we not do?" It is just here that the Work comes in. The Work
teaches a great many things that we should not do, for example, that
we should not identify with our negative emotions, and so on. But
such is our impatient nature that we want to have a definite answer as to
what we should do. In fact, our whole psychology is based on this idea
—i.e. "Tell me exactly what I should do." This urgent illusory doing-
impulse has to be overcome in the Work completely. It is a life-impulse,
it is a life-thought, a life-feeling, and the paradox is that in life we
always have a feeling that we can do and yet from the Work-point of
view we are really doing nothing because all the time our level of
Being is making us act mechanically in every situation and this we call
doing. For this reason the Work speaks about realizing our mechanical-
ness as one of the first steps towards greater Being. If you will always
attribute to everything you do in life the idea that you are doing it of
course you will A question was then asked: "What then should I do?"
This question always arises in everyone's mind. The Work-answer
is about what you should not do. The question should be: "What then
should we not do?" It is just here that the Work comes in. The Work
teaches a great many things that we should not do, for example, that
we should not identify with our negative emotions, and so on. But
such is our impatient nature that we want to have a definite answer as to
what we should do. In fact, our whole psychology is based on this idea
—i.e. "Tell me exactly what I should do." This urgent illusory doing-
impulse has to be overcome in the Work completely. It is a life-impulse,
it is a life-thought, a life-feeling, and the paradox is that in life we
always have a feeling that we can do and yet from the Work-point of
view we are really doing nothing because all the time our level of
Being is making us act mechanically in every situation and this we call
doing. For this reason the Work speaks about realizing our mechanical-
ness as one of the first steps towards greater Being. If you will always
attribute to everything you do in life the idea that you are doing it of
course you will never quite understand where the Work comes in.
By observation one has to come to that point at which one realizes
that when one thinks one is doing one is not doing in any way whatsoever
but IT is doing, the machine in us is doing, one is doing
mechanically what one has always done before. Here no question of
doing in the Work-sense enters. IT is doing. In my case Nicoll is doing;
in your case Smith, Robinson, Brown is doing.
There was a question: "Well, how can I do in the Work-sense?"
The answer is that you cannot do as you are in a Work-sense.
"Then, what am I to do?"
"Realize that you cannot do. Realize the mechanicalness of your
Being."
"Then do you mean that I cannot do anything at all and that I have to
think so?"
"No, you have to realize that you cannot do things, not think so."
"How can I realize this?"
"You can only realize it by observing yourself. If you observe your-
self sincerely over a sufficient period you will begin to realize that you
cannot do—i.e. that you always do as you always did and that you
cannot change yourself. You know how you always think you can change
yourself and how you are quite certain that you could be different if you
wanted to and you know that you always think this about other people.
But you have to realize that you cannot be different from what you are
and from that to be able to realize that other people cannot be different
from what they are. I remember on one occasion when someone asked:
'What then shall we do?' the answer was: 'Enjoy yourselves.' Now
this person said: 'It would be the easiest thing in the world for me
to enjoy myself, but I am a serious man—I have difficulties to face—
and I have no time to enjoy myself.' You will see that this person had
the idea that he could enjoy himself quite easily if he wished—that is,
he had an ingrained conviction that he could enjoy himself, that he was
doing his duty instead. Of course the answer is that he could not
enjoy himself as he thought he could, he could not step out of his-
mechanicalness which made him do what he was doing. It is like a
typewriter shouting at a bicycle and saying: ' Why do you go round and
round?' and the bicycle shouting: 'Why do you go up and down,
clack, clack?' Neither can alter its machinery. And so it is with us.
We are mechanical and our first step is to realize we are machines,
and that everything we do in all our relationships, in all the thoughts and
feelings we go with, we identify with. But the Work teaches that we
are not machines if we begin to wake up. A machine cannot change
itself, a machine cannot remember itself, a machine cannot awaken.
But, the Work teaches, we can awaken, we can remember ourselves,
we can change ourselves."
"How then is all this possible?"
"It is only possible by following what the Work teaches. The Work
begins with self-observation whereby gradually we may realize how
we are machines and how we react mechanically to everything. When
we begin to realize that we react mechanically to everything and
have always been taking these mechanical reactions as 'I' and thinking
that we arc doing, then we begin to realize that we are really mechanical
and that that gift we are given as distinct from animals and pure
machines is that we can increase consciousness through observing that
we are machines and that all our lives up to now have been mechanical
—a series of petty, personal, sensitive, mechanical reactions to every-
thing. Just at this point comes in the whole idea that Man can cease
to be a machine. This entry of another consciousness of himself is the
beginning of the Work. Such a man no longer takes himself for
granted. Now the Work teaches that you have to do certain things
which takes the form of not doing certain things as, for example, in
general, not identifying—that is, not putting your feeling of 'I' into
all your mechanical reactions. So the Work consists for a long time in
not doing things, according to the instructions laid down so clearly in
this Work on its practical side."
"Then do you mean that we can do nothing at all?"
"Yes, but you can do one thing. You can remember yourselves. That
is the only thing said on the positive side of doing in this Work. Every-
thing else is a process of not doing, not behaving mechanically."
"How can I remember myself?"
"By realizing that you never remember yourself."
"But I am sure that I always remember myself."
"You may be sure that you always remember yourself but just
notice whether you do."
"But I always do what I do consciously."
"Do you always speak quite consciously, knowing exactly what
you are going to say?"
"Yes, I am sure that I do everything consciously and I am quite aware of
what I am saying and doing all the time."
"In that case you must observe sincerely and see whether it is quite
true. If you are sincere with yourself you will find that you do and
think and feel mechanically and that for the greater part of the day you
are not aware of yourself at all."
"I do not agree with you."
"Well, in that case you must practise self-observation. It is only
through self-observation done sincerely and uncritically that you can
come into the standpoint of this Work in regard to yourself. If you
take yourself for granted as being a conscious person who does every-
thing consciously and deliberately you are not able to connect yourself
with this Work. This Work will fall on deaf ears."
"What is the object of self-observation?"
"The object of self-observation is to make you aware of the fact
that you are not in any way what you think you are. The object of
self-observation is to shew you by direct self-experience that you are
really a mechanical person who cannot help doing what you do at
every moment and that if you want to change yourself, which is the
object of this Work, you have to realize this."
"Is not this an extremely depressing point of view?"
"Yes."
"Then why should I take up this Work?"
"I see no reason why you should if you are quite satisfied with
yourself as you are."
"I always think that introspection is a very morbid thing."
"I agree with you but the Work does not teach introspection but
conscious uncritical self-observation. Introspection is mechanical:
observation is conscious."
"Don't you think this Work makes one very self-centred."
"Exactly the opposite. It shifts you from this self-satisfied, self-
centred view of yourself. It makes you really think you are nothing
like what you thought. In short, this Work done rightly is very painful
to you and will smash up all your self-centredness. As regards the
remark that this Work is selfish, you must all understand that this Work
is going against your selfishness at every moment, against your self-
complacency. This Work is to wake us up and if applied rightly it is a
very powerful and painful thing. It is something that destroys your
self-complacency, your selfishness, your self-esteem, your phantasies
about yourself, your pictures of yourself and, in short, your False
Personality. It makes you see yourself naked—makes you see what you
are really like. It destroys the Pharisee in you. It makes you see that
you have to do something about yourself before you try to help other
people."
"But surely helping other people comes first."
"How can you help other people unless you have become more
conscious of yourself? How can the blind lead the blind? Before you
start off helping other people for heaven's sake look at yourself and see
whether you can really help yourself to begin with. Do you call this
self-satisfied imposing your self-will on other people helping them?
The Work can help you to change and when the Work has begun to
change you then you can help other people according to the degree
that the Work has changed you in yourself and then your help will be
valuable. But to start as you are, thinking you can help other people as
you are, means simply that you impose your ideas of what other people
should be on them without realizing what you are like yourself.
The more you change in yourself through pain and self-realization,
the more you see what you are like yourself without self-justifying,
the more can you help others. The less blind you are to yourself the
more you can help people who are still blind to themselves, but to
become less blind to oneself takes many years of hard work and much
pain and much overcoming of self-will, self-love, and much overcoming
of prejudices, of thinking that you know everything, thinking that you
are a starting-point in yourself. This Work teaches us to start from a
quite different point from what we imagine we are. This Work does not
begin with False Personality—i.e. with what we imagine we are. The
whole world is full of False Personalities and each False Personality
thinks he or she knows best. The Work is a very big thing that gradually
drains away from us all these imaginings and falsities about ourselves.
Then perhaps we can begin to help other people, but in a quite different
way from what we would have started from before we met the Work and
before it began to act on us internally through its simplicity and
sincerity. The Work is a very wonderful thing if you begin to apply it
to yourself, something very quiet and gentle and absolutely genuine at
every point where it really begins to penetrate through layers of falsity
and imagination that lie in us uppermost. If you begin to have Work-
'I's in you—that is, 'Is that begin to catch some of the meaning of the
Work, then you may have insights beyond your average level of Being,
and these insights, if affirmed in the best part of your mind as truth, will
gradually change you and begin to work on your level of Being and
alter Being. Then gradually what you know on your best side will be
able to be done and carried out by your Being. The Work says that
this transformation is possible in everyone if they will only work on
themselves. So begin by thinking what non-identifying means, with
yourself, with your thoughts and your feelings. It is not doing, and
gradually this process of not doing will enable you on a very small
scale to do."
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Date: April 26, 2017 at 16:27:12
From: shadow, [DNS_Address]
Subject: NotDoingness |
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"So begin by thinking what non-identifying means, with
yourself, with your thoughts and your feelings. It is not doing, and gradually this process of not doing will enable you on a very small scale to do."
And whereALL have I encountered this same teaching, offered both within very-similarly-languaged contexts and frameworks as well as others that, while not utilizing the same wordings, are literally conveying *the Essence of the same teaching*..........?
Ah yes, thankee muchly...LOL...for emphatic reminder #2 that *the only possible strategy for navigating such profoundly & explosively transmutational times* is CHOOSING to draw inspiration and direction, in each moment, FROM that realm within that IS Beyond All Polarity...the resonance/frequency/Energetic Reality of Wholeness, that awaits eternally with infinite patience for each of us to, in our own perfect timing, in our own perfect ways, awaken to and then surrender our younger/humanly-egoic/"false" self's unconscious dominative patterns within our psyches...
Who knows? Maybe I can ride this wave of reminder, stay on top of my surfboard in these tsunamis, for longer than I've managed thus far...
One can hope... ;D
Love to everyone...
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Date: April 26, 2017 at 16:57:42
From: ryan, [DNS_Address]
Subject: Re: NotDoingness |
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carlos stole a lot from gurdjieff...lol
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Date: April 30, 2017 at 18:25:47
From: Akira, [DNS_Address]
Subject: Re: NotDoingness |
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and Gurdjieff stole from Buddhism.
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Date: April 30, 2017 at 18:36:07
From: ryan, [DNS_Address]
Subject: Re: NotDoingness |
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he didn't steal...he compiled information...he didn't try to hide his sources...
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Date: April 26, 2017 at 17:20:51
From: shadow, [DNS_Address]
Subject: lol Ryan... |
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If I didn't know ya better, I'd think...but I do, so...
LOL!
;->
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Date: April 26, 2017 at 17:40:28
From: shadow, [DNS_Address]
Subject: Take two ;) |
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If I didn't know ya better, I might *misperceive/misinterpret* actual belief on your part that the Essence/Power/Universal Truth implied by those words, *Not-Doing-Ness*...didn't/is not continuing to organically/naturally download and emerge, not only within both the intuitive/creative psyches of Gurdjieff and Castaneda, in their own unique contexts and timings...(and likely within many others!)...but was instead "stolen" one from another... ;D
But cuz I do, I'm sure that's not what you meant...
And FWIW, I'm gravitating way more toward laughing, than most of what's meant by that word, "thinking"...
;D
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Date: April 26, 2017 at 19:30:06
From: ryan, [DNS_Address]
Subject: Re: Take two ;) |
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my point was that it appears carlos actually did "steal" many of those eternal truths from gurdjieff's teachings...patterson lays it out pretty well in that book...carlos was attending gurdjieff groups in the early 70s and spent at least one weekend at the home of gurdjieff foundation in san francisco...that's where he met carol tiggs, who was a student of lord john pentland, gurdjieff's hand picked leader of the Work in america...gurdjieff's teachings were based on sacred science...carlos' on sorcery...
"...Gurdjieff rejects working with the dream state and insists on grounding consciousness in ordinary life in order to come to real life, dreaming for Castaneda is the basis of sorceric exploration."
what was absent in what carlos taught was the "spiritual appreciation and valuation of the scale of being and the duty to serve and offer "help for god", as gurdjieff says..."
"The genuine experiencing of the reason of understanding and unity that lead to conscience and divine love, which are at the core of Gurdjieff's teaching seem to be missing (in carlos' writings/teachings). Certainly it is never mentioned.
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Date: April 27, 2017 at 10:23:53
From: chatillion, [DNS_Address]
Subject: Re: Take two ;) |
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'Scuse me for interjecting...
"The genuine experiencing of the reason of understanding and unity that lead to conscience and divine love, which are at the core of Gurdjieff's teaching seem to be missing (in carlos' writings/teachings). Certainly it is never mentioned.
I noticed that also: something deep and essential is missing.
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Date: April 30, 2017 at 16:23:51
From: Akira, [DNS_Address]
Subject: Re: Take two ;) |
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I agree. My impression is that Gurdjieff's work comes from the head, leaving
the heart behind. An error, imo.
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Date: April 30, 2017 at 16:42:54
From: ryan, [DNS_Address]
Subject: Re: Take two ;) |
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Date: April 30, 2017 at 18:33:10
From: Akira, [DNS_Address]
Subject: Re: Take two ;) |
URL: The Fake Carlos Castaneda |
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Has the Work opened your heart? You sound as cynical towards mankind as
ever.
I absorbed Carlos Casteneda's work like a sponge in high school, but he was
exposed as a fraud years ago.. a very wealthy fraud. Good writer, though.
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Date: May 01, 2017 at 14:04:53
From: Jeannie., [DNS_Address]
Subject: Re: Take two ;) |
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We must have read the same books :-)
How about Lobsang Rampa, the fake Tibetan Lama who had all us innocents
believing in "Walk-in's.
Turns out he was an English house painter. Fun while it lasted; is it any
wonder ours is a generation of cynics!
"When will they ever learn"
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Date: April 30, 2017 at 18:37:15
From: ryan, [DNS_Address]
Subject: Re: Take two ;) |
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yes, it has...but i am a work in progress...
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Date: April 27, 2017 at 10:44:55
From: shadow, [DNS_Address]
Subject: Re: Take two ;) |
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And I can relate totally to this particular point as well, ryan and chatillion... Although there were many ways Castaneda's writing and mythos of presentation supported my own process hugely...and there have been many others that've filled in those realms we're characterizing as being "missing" from his, for me, over the years...
And I'm wondering now if maybe the fact that it's never occurred to me that I'd ever come upon Any One Teacher, Any One Source of Universal Truth that *would or could* cover/advise/support my own unique process, all by it/themselves...has something to do w/this...?
Dunno. Anyway. ;->
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Date: April 27, 2017 at 09:20:14
From: shadow, [DNS_Address]
Subject: Hmm... |
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Okay, got it, and many thanks for condensing that; who knows how long it would've taken me to absorb it... ;)
And I can feel lots I want to say about this waiting to download...which'll also be subject to this body's capacities for doing so...lol...
For now I'll just say: Those are some very interesting contexts of comparison, there, as well as interpretations of them... ;->
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Date: April 27, 2017 at 09:51:26
From: ryan, [DNS_Address]
Subject: Re: Hmm... |
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patterson is definitely biased towards the gurdjieffian model...as much as i was engrossed with castaneda's writings, i always felt something was missing...it seemed to be such a self-absorbed approach...don juan's main goal was to become "free", to be able to explore the creation as a singular eternal entity after having filled the requirements to become such...everything he did was done to accomplish that goal...that never resonated with me in spite of being an avid consumer of castaneda's words and adventures...i have no interest in exploring all the side shows of the creation...
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Date: April 27, 2017 at 10:13:18
From: shadow, [DNS_Address]
Subject: Hmm... |
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Perfect! Thus Gurdjieff's process/angle of expressing Universal Truths resonated moreso for you.
;D
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Date: April 27, 2017 at 10:26:28
From: ryan, [DNS_Address]
Subject: Re: Hmm... |
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Date: April 27, 2017 at 10:33:01
From: shadow, [DNS_Address]
Subject: Re: Hmm... |
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Okay, I'll bite...lol...whatchou mean, kemo sabe?
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Date: April 27, 2017 at 10:45:19
From: ryan, [DNS_Address]
Subject: Re: Hmm... |
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my base "position" is that the creation is a failed exercise in self-indulgence...
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Date: April 27, 2017 at 11:08:06
From: shadow, [DNS_Address]
Subject: Aha! ;) |
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I remember that now... Well then! Yes, that brings it all right around, doesn't it?
We do believe similarly in many ways; in this one, not so much... ;->
And I'd just like to say...emphasizing that by doing so, I'm not trying to "convince you away from" your position!...that IMHO, that which we are able to fully comprehend about the Divine as well as our own existences in human form is *inherently limited* BY the human psyche's capacities... We literally cannot comprehend the highest-resonance/-vibrational understanding of *creation* nor what all compelled it *from a human mind and intellect*...
But then again: Who knows? Maybe YOU can!
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Date: April 27, 2017 at 11:20:04
From: ryan, [DNS_Address]
Subject: Re: Aha! ;) |
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well my opinion is worthless...
it is what it is, and even tho at my core i reject it (accepting the fact that i do not have the comprehension to do so), there is nothing one can do but play the game since it's the only one in town...it's all one huuuuuge pyramid scheme tho ain't it? lol...gurdjieff noted the compelling cause was "merciless heropass", sort of a divine entropy problem, but more of a drip drip drip into nothingness...as good an excuse as any...
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Date: April 27, 2017 at 11:28:14
From: shadow, [DNS_Address]
Subject: Re: Aha! ;) |
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Well no wonder Gurdjieff's your man, then! "Drip drip drip into nothingness" resonates for you? Okay! Perfect! ;D
Agreed, that all we can do is *play the game,* as you put it (all feelings within that term grokked)...and it seems we also agree that *endeavoring to do so as CONSCIOUSLY as we can,* as defined in our own contexts of experience, yes?
The pyramid metaphor works for me strictly in terms of the unfoldment of a huuuuuuge core energetic Intent (the tip) down into structure and form...but not at all in its earthly context... ;)
But no, not with you on your belief that your opinion's worthless... ;->
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Date: April 27, 2017 at 15:41:37
From: ryan, [DNS_Address]
Subject: Re: Aha! ;) |
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""Drip drip drip into nothingness" resonates for you?"
doesn't bother me...
yes, as consciously as we can...and my opinion is worthless because i know so little...
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Date: April 27, 2017 at 15:47:48
From: shadow, [DNS_Address]
Subject: Yeah, okay, but... |
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..."doesn't bother me" is an entirely different energy than something *resonating* with you, so...? But whatever level of clarification or not is fine with me... ;)
And ah, dude...we ALL *know so little,* each of us; and at the same time, IMHO, each of us is always in possession of All We NEED to KNOW to be free, ourselves, and model that freedom for others...
...whenever our own unique soulgrowth process's design rolls it up into conscious access, within our lives... ;)
...and even then, we must *choose* it...!
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Date: April 27, 2017 at 23:08:47
From: Jeannie., [DNS_Address]
Subject: Re: Yeah, okay, but... |
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If I may interject; very interesting discussion, I have read some Gurjieff and
Castaneda. Got hooked for awhile, well I was a young 60's seeker. However I
came across a bible verse that settled it all for me.
(bear with me!) Part of the quotation goes something like this;
"Dear friends it does not appear what we shall become etc., (look it up)
This resonated with my spirit, my perception being that we are still in the
process of "becoming" we are certainly unfinished beings.
This may not mean much of anything to you, I hope you find your answers,
to this great mystery. O.K. I'll buzz off and let you continue your
discussion!
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Date: April 28, 2017 at 00:20:05
From: ryan, [DNS_Address]
Subject: Re: Yeah, okay, but... |
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right in line with gurdjieff...
"On this level one realizes that everything that happens to one in
life is the best thing that could happen to one, if one takes it as work
—as a means of development. You realize in a practical way how you
are created a self-developing organism. You no longer take life as an
end in itself or expect it to be as you wished, but you take it as a means
to an end."
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Date: April 26, 2017 at 17:26:52
From: ryan, [DNS_Address]
Subject: Re: lol Ryan... |
URL: https://www.amazon.com/Life-Teachings-Carlos-Castaneda/dp/1879514966 |
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Date: April 26, 2017 at 17:43:01
From: shadow, [DNS_Address]
Subject: Woops. LOL |
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(Put my reply to this post of yours up above it, instead of below.........sorry..... ;)
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Date: April 26, 2017 at 17:44:00
From: shadow, [DNS_Address]
Subject: And thanks for the link! |
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Didn't know about that one... ;)
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Date: April 26, 2017 at 17:57:31
From: shadow, [DNS_Address]
Subject: Ohhhh...I see... |
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...once I've had a moment to peruse the work you linked to...and its author...NOW I understand the context of your remark... Oh my...
And I stand by my original, however-posted-out-of-order Reply...
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Date: April 26, 2017 at 13:08:57
From: kay.so.or, [DNS_Address]
Subject: Re: What then should I do? |
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yes, precisely ryan...I have said this for years, you start by observing your own self, what are your thoughts, what are your 'reactions' and emotions, it is the only way to discover your own 'programming' and the only way to change it is to acknowledge and learn to 'let go' 'shake it off', and not to 'react', be silent and know you are not perfect.....but 'be' at peace within yourself so you can 'be' at peace with others.
Forgiveness of one's own self is a start towards healing, knowing that you did the best you could with the information given at the time, but growth and change is something we all can aspire too, and when you start with yourself, then you can also extend that graciousness to all others...:-) Kay
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Taking Off The Mask
Aha, I thought, now, I'll find me,
and discover within, the mystery.
I looked into a mirror to view
who was that, looking at you?
Carefully, each step was taken
no undue mistakes to be maken.
From the left, pulling away that mask,
to discover the truth that I had asked.
Years of toiling at this hardest chore,
peeled away, only to uncover....more!
Under that mask, tattered and torn,
another was there, laughing with scorn!
Crying with tears at my simplicity,
then a new challenge to discover me.
Layers and layers, each tossing aside,
till I thought, surely no more could hide!
Each one represented a new facet in stone,
some needed polishing, some left alone.
Shifting my attitude, so important here,
now looking forward to see what was there.
Each face, though different, from others before,
got lighter and easier as I trusted more.
This lesson, the hardest, I came to see, that
God's face is in each, I pretended to be.
by Kay 1999
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