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Date: April 06, 2017 at 09:02:47
From: Nen, [DNS_Address]
Subject: Something that bothers me |
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This board doesn't have a PM function or a private
posting function which this thread might be better
served by, but in an effort to improve my own
reactions to people, I feel like I need to ask this.
Those of you who have been reading some other threads
might have caught the ones where I suggest someone
here might be in a cult situation and getting the
shit end of the stick by failing to draw others in,
and is thus...suddenly responding even worse than
usual to people resisting that individual's
perspective.
The first time I said it, I was sort of sarcastically
joking, but the thought stuck with me and the
behavior I'm seeing is running a bit too close to
what I've seen elsewhere, where it DID turn out to be
the case.
So I'll put the question bluntly:
If you had a hunch that someone was being controlled
by a cult and posting on a forum to convince others
of a stance...would you call them out on it at their
potential expense?
I've already opened that can of worms in response to
the person twice, so if harm was to result then that
harm is unfortunately already done.
My motive the first time was mouthing off
sarcastically to try to get the person to realize how
they were sounding to others. The second time
is...concern, however much that person gets under my
skin, as her meltdown got exponentially worse.
If you are at a distance, don't know the person, and
couldn't help to get them out in any constructive
sense except by trying to break their conditioning on
a forum, is it a risk worth taking, or does it put
them in a more vulnerable position both in terms of
their own mental state and in terms of the people
potentially pushing them?
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I'll add to this by mentioning that due to the time
of year and the chemicals inundating people's lawns
and such, I've a lot of unease generated strictly
from the neurochemical imbalance generated from my
own sensitivity to chemicals. I suspect frequently
that latches onto and runs with notions that might
not be linked to the reality of a situation.
However, whatever the origins of my "intuition", the
fact of the matter is that situations like the above
DO happen.
That said, knowing the state I'm in right now makes
me doubt the hunch I'm getting, and I still react
with my baseline intense irritation with the
individual as well.
It's why I stepped away from the forum a couple of
days ago, but by the same token the combination of
worry on the one hand and outright indignation at the
person's posts on the other is a curious draw back.
Wanting to know how a situation plays out, and the
very mixed contradictory feelings of wanting to help
(and not doing a good job of it) versus irritation at
the situation...
Well, I know I need to just stop responding to that
person. I'm just curious what others think about the
hypothetical scenario mentioned above (whether it's
true in this particular case or not).
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Date: April 07, 2017 at 11:58:18
From: Nen, [DNS_Address]
Subject: I appreciate everyone's responses |
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If I'm reading right, I'm guessing we're all in the
same boat about not quite knowing what to do if we
suspect such a situation or if indeed anything can be
done.
As it is, my own planned course of action is from here
on out to leave well enough alone unless something
happens that suggests that my feeling has more to it.
In that event...we'll see. I still don't know but it
would probably involve privately contacting Mr. Bopp
rather than making a public spectacle of it at the very
least.
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Date: April 07, 2017 at 17:43:14
From: mr bopp, [DNS_Address]
Subject: Re: I appreciate everyone's responses |
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i have considered banning unsaid person...but perhaps it will learn something here...other than that, easy to dismiss...
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Date: April 07, 2017 at 11:05:11
From: RIG, [DNS_Address]
Subject: Re: Well, let's be very blunt and direct... |
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Who exactly are you talking about here at EB?...
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Date: April 07, 2017 at 11:54:22
From: Nen, [DNS_Address]
Subject: I'm not going to be naming the person or confirming guesses |
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Rig, I appreciate your concern on the matter, and
it's probably easy enough to find the threads I'm
referring to as it is a public form.
But, I'm trying to be better about not calling people
out on things like this as it can cause greater
distress if indeed distress there is (and I grant
there may not be).
I'm not going to be naming the person. I've already
said enough. If there is a problem I don't want to
make it worse by openly identifying them.
The reason I say this is because when there IS any
kind of real situation where someone is posting on
behalf of a cult, quite often their posts and
feedback are monitored...and it CAN go on for years.
If my gut feeling gets worse or if I see some sort of
actual evidence beyond a tentatively matching pattern
of something I've witnessed myself only ONCE before
and otherwise only read in depth about, my intention
would be to touch base with Mr. Bopp, though I know
there is likely nothing we as posters or he as site
admin and owner could do about it.
And if I'm wrong, and just projecting my anxiety onto
the situation, that person still has their own share
of issues (albeit of a different nature than what I
suggest here) anyway and at this point I don't see my
past posts doing any good, and they could potentially
do psychological harm.
As it is, you never know. The person could read this
thread and recognize themselves, and in anger or fear
identify themselves with a furious post back to me.
My posting this thread to start with is an ethical
grey area to me. Posting a name would push it into
"ethically wrong" territory to me.
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Date: April 06, 2017 at 23:25:38
From: kemokae, [DNS_Address]
Subject: Re: Something that bothers me |
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I consider the threads in here as part of public domain
and should be handled as such and not get upset about anything said, as we don't all have wonderful days sometimes... as It shouldn't be addressed to anyone personal to begin with.
we had an "Private line" in Spiritweb many years ago...
you touched the person's name and it appeared at the bottom of the screen in private and you could leave messages. It think It worked out best for exchanging addresses and maybe discussing lengthy reports shared with another one...but you know...even then in an all intuitive web site people generally picked up what you were thinking anyway. I think if you upset or angry taking an few days off is an great idea. You don't have to go stomping out the door either. WE are here to communicate and discuss.
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Date: April 06, 2017 at 17:49:17
From: Terra11, [DNS_Address]
Subject: Re: Something that bothers--- Nen I hear ;understand and apprecpiate |
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Your concern --I think the answer lies in everyone's response to her--
other then a few of us trying to be kind (me included) I have not seen
ANYONE Who gave me the impression that they could be swayed !
Most of us here are Old Souls -as Sue said so well ;We have our
own truths--I always hoped that Candace would share with us
without preaching and or getting angry but those who would keep us
prisoner (And I am not saying she is one of them) are being stopped
and sent away/ arrested etc. for those who do not come from a
place of Love and Kindness things are going to get pretty
uncomfortable now--also Alex Collier says that if A SHIP COMES TO
PICK YOU UP --don't go -as THEY are just replenishing their food
supply --if I remember correctly Candace said ships would be picking
people up before it(Planet X --and the miles and miles long debris
from its tail and this is supposedly to happen end of April /first week
of May supposedly so time may be running out (or not lol)
Seems to me the best action is to just leave her be and continue to
do our own thing as ,most of us already do anyway Love and Light
terra
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Date: April 06, 2017 at 20:39:04
From: C, [DNS_Address]
Subject: Re: Something that bothers--- Nen I hear ;understand and apprecpiate |
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Are you sure that person s Candice?
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Date: April 06, 2017 at 14:44:08
From: snodrop, [DNS_Address]
Subject: Re: Something that bothers me |
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Nen...the person to which to you refer has been playing
this manipulative game since 2000. When traffic is
slow on their site they come and do fly by's here and
at other places. There's even instructions by this
person to their "followers" on how to do it. Nothing
ticks me off more than people like them that prey on
vulnerable people..which is exactly what they do.
(hugs)
snodrop
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Date: April 07, 2017 at 12:25:45
From: Nen, [DNS_Address]
Subject: Thing is... |
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Usually those in certain hierarchies were once
vulnerable themselves and brainwashed into it.
Yep, they teach others, but it's a self-perpetuating
thing. Once you've been conditioned, usually the
further up in the ranks you are the harder it is to
de-condition or have the distance to see what you're
doing is wrong.
And on the way up, the way you are conditioned gets
more and more intense.
The predator is also the prey, and the higher up they
are the more they have to lose if things go awry,
which keeps them on "good" behavior even if they do
start to crack.
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Date: April 06, 2017 at 14:10:22
From: Sue/Seattle, [DNS_Address]
Subject: Re: Something that bothers me |
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When anyone claims to know "the truth" I shy away.
When they judge others based on what they see as "the
truth" I get irritated. It's not their place to "save
me" any more than my place to "save them". Yet I will
admit to sometimes interfering. It's that, to act or
not to act thing we discussed before. Really hard
question.
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Date: April 06, 2017 at 12:30:36
From: RIG, [DNS_Address]
Subject: Re: Your bluntness is still kinda vague... |
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Well, to be honest, with the last bit you threw in
about yourself and a neurochemical imbalance (for
whatever reason), is there a chance you're just letting
your dislike and or irritation get the best of you and
your imagination is churning on it creating the
scenario of cult activity?...
But to entertain the notion, what exactly is it that
has made you think cult behavior is at play?... and
what help is it that you think can be brought to the
alleged and or suspected cult controlled
individual(s)?...
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Date: April 06, 2017 at 13:10:07
From: Nen, [DNS_Address]
Subject: Re: Your bluntness is still kinda vague... |
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I was mentioning the chemical imbalance in order to
provide a full objective disclosure of what might (or
might not be) be causing the situation.
To answer your second question: The poster's escalation
and fear/rage based irrationality are a pattern I've
seen before. I don't have the ability to articulate it
further than that.
Your final question is the one I'm asking and what this
entire post was about.
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