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From: Sue/Seattle, [DNS_Address]
Subject: Binding spell on Trump
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I missed the first one but am all in March 26th. I will tweak the spell, no need for demons. The spell is just a suggestion, its about intent, but it makes sense to do it at the time suggested. I also like most of it. Its a witches version of a unity prayer. The Christians are already freaking out so it can't be all bad right ;) |
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From: joe_stampingbull, [DNS_Address]
Subject: Must be working
| He's acting crazier every day. |
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From: KAN DAEK/Denver, [DNS_Address]
Subject: Re: Binding spell on Trump
| ITS ALL BAD SHAME ON YOU. |
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From: Eve, [DNS_Address]
Subject: Re: Binding spell on Trump
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Not if she just focuses on his hair. I figured she could use this image in the ceremony. |
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From: kemokae, [DNS_Address]
Subject: Re: Binding spell on Trump
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I've been keeping my eye on this thread without to much comment, was looking for my astrology book also, because it says several times that Trump has the possibilty to be impeached or leave office this year. But it says of the inauguration chart itself, who ever wins office this year goes in with a lot of chaos and bickering in general. It says for Hillary she'd be lucky to stay remaining in office according to her chart work, while is says that Trump is going into an isolation period for an bit. No matter it will be an chaotic time. It also says of Trump that he will be having communication problems trying to explain what he really has in mind for the days ahead also. I think it will take reasonable and common sense people backing him to get us moving forward this year. I have read considerably of people passing out curses in history, probably two of the more noted were King Phillip (FRance) and King Henry VIII...Mrs. Barton was not to kind to King Henry VIII at all...but then he murdered her husband. Yes, the two of them, one had family problems and King Henry VIII was left to die with diabetes. It was his daughter that helped him to maintain the crown with an son...King James. They claim the pain was so severe, as his flesh was rotting that he literally "lost his mind" in the end days. one only wonders if things could of ever been different and good for everyone...to late now I guess. I'll be watching to see how all this turns out in the days ahead though, via astrology as well as your "binding" spell going on. It wouldn't hurt to suggest an worldwide "blessing" for everyone also. Harm no one, speak the truth and love one another. |
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From: snodrop, [DNS_Address]
Subject: Re: Binding spell on Trump
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LOL....well it's harder to bind crazy than evil as it's so unpredictable...so if you decide to go ahead...plenty of protection would be in order I think. The consequences of a bad binding on the individual rather than a group could come back to bite you. I have to agree with Joe...push for truth rather than restrict...these energy waves can get tricky. |
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From: Jody/Concord,CA, [DNS_Address]
Subject: Re: Binding spell on Trump
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George Soros and the rest of the Elite just LOVE people like you! Summoning the Dark Agenda will NOT benefit this planet in any way Sue. Besides, haven't you learned that LOVE is the Highest Power? Anytime a Human needs to use control tactics over another they are of a low frequency and level. This planet is Rising in Frequency.. and if you'd like to join Mother Earth you need to raise your frequency too, not lower it. FWIW. Blessings, Jody |
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From: EM, [DNS_Address]
Subject: Re: Binding spell on Trump
| I definitely agree with everything Jody said above. |
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From: Law is control, [DNS_Address]
Subject: By your reasoning Law is darkness(NT)
| (NT) |
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From: Jody/Concord,CA, [DNS_Address]
Subject: and Lawlessness is ANARCHY.
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What's your point of argument..if there is one? *PS. I like your cowardly way of posting. Why post at all? |
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From: Nen, [DNS_Address]
Subject: I was pointing out
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That from your post it's clear that you think law is evil. I found that quite fascinating, as you don't seem the type, given the rules about right and wrong you try to impose on everything. Coward? No, just efficient. A bit too efficient since evidently I needed to spell it out for you. |
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From: Jody/Concord,CA, [DNS_Address]
Subject: Jumping to Conclusions
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Nen, My post; "George Soros and the rest of the Elite just LOVE people like you! Summoning the Dark Agenda will NOT benefit this planet in any way Sue. Besides, haven't you learned that LOVE is the Highest Power? Anytime a Human needs to use control tactics over another they are of a low frequency and level. This planet is Rising in Frequency.. and if you'd like to join Mother Earth you need to raise your frequency too, not lower it. FWIW. Blessings, Jody" Nowhere in MY POST was the word LAW. This is why I do not respond to your posts to me...you have a weird habit of twisting meanings into pretzels. You really don't 'get me'. You 'think' you do but you have no clue about who I am or what I believe, much less what I mean! Jumping to conclusions repeatedly isn't doing either of us a favor. If I kept harping on you with "Gee I think you're Black, you sound Black therefore you MUST be Black and all Black people sound and act alike." Those conclusions are detrimental to everyone and I'm not playing your game. Then add Antagonist & Passive Aggressive to your mix and I'm outta here. NOT GOING THERE. Blessings and have a nice day, Jody |
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From: Nen, [DNS_Address]
Subject: Re: Jumping to Conclusions
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Law and control are the same thing. And if you can't see what you yourself are channelling, that's not my problem. I never claimed to "get" you. That's again your self centered and egotistical interpretation. And as usual a bizarre conclusion. Ah well. Do continue. Your lack of inaight into yourself and others is sadly amusing, though in a way that genuinely hurts for what you've given away for your faith in darkness. |
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From: RIG, [DNS_Address]
Subject: Re: Law IS Evil...
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It's obvious that Law, Control, Order eventually always becomes the Evil it is set against... |
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From: Sue/Seattle, [DNS_Address]
Subject: Re: Law IS Evil...
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Bringing it back to Wicca Law. An ye harm none, do as ye will. I ate a salad so I harmed a plant, where do we draw the line? I harmed the plant but if didn't eat I would harm myself. Personally, I tend to believe that when inaction causes harm to others I have the responsibility to act to prevent harm. This seems especially true with regards to the environment. Though Mother Nature can create some serious blow back when she has been offended so maybe I don't give her enough credit for taking care of herself. We've been killing off species at an alarming rate as well, don't think there is any do-overs on that. Though with the DNA stuff who knows. In any case inaction is not acceptable to me.And magic to try and make everyone all warm and fuzzy will not work, BTW the spell I first linked includes all those like minded to Trumps Harmful ways, not just Trump. Re read. |
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From: RIG, [DNS_Address]
Subject: Re: Law IS Evil...
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Yup, I caught that and was one of my primary issues with the "spell"... it's trying to subvert the Free Will of not just one, which is honestly bad enough, but the Free Will of a significant portion of the Nations population... if you rationalize joining in with this Magickal working, be prepared for "karmic" blowback that could very easily be more than just Magickal/Spiritual/Psychic... think about what that could entail... go back and re-read my initial lengthy response, I covered all the bases... it's still a very BAD idea... As for "Wiccan Law"-"An ye harm none, do as ye will"... is another borrowing from Crowley... "Do what thou wilt shall be the whole of the Law. I:40 This famous statement derives from several historic precedents, including that of François Rabelais in describing the rule of his Abbey of Thélème in Gargantua and Pantagruel: Fait ce que vouldras (Do what thou wilt), which was later used by the Hellfire Club established by Sir Francis Dashwood. It is also similar to the Wiccan proverb: An ye harm none, do what thou wilt; but the oldest known statement of a similar assertion is that of St. Augustine of Hippo: Love, and do what thou wilt." |
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From: Sue/Seattle, [DNS_Address]
Subject: Re: Law IS Evil...
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The free will thing is an issue for sure. But again where is the line? If someone is a sociopathic killer do we not interfere with their free will? Every society has some rules and those rules have a consequence when broken. Its a tough one. I was on a jury couple months back and hung the jury because I just couldn't find the guy guilty. Lots of dirty looks from my fellow jurors for keeping them there many hours. I will reread what you said RIG and continue to consider. |
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From: RIG, [DNS_Address]
Subject: Re: Agreed...
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Societies have rules... and those rules have consequences when BROKEN... So far everything and everyone on the anti-Trump bandwagon has essentially jumped the gun... he actually has to break the rules first, but he wasn't even in the White House yet and Liberal extremists were lining up to protest, cause property damage in the process of protesting (and they DID), and have caused physical harm to individuals whose only crime it was was to acknowledge being a Trump supporter (and they HAVE)... Now we have the "Spell" work against Trump and those who support him by either having voted for him and or being vocal about supporting him... all to Magickally subvert the Free Will of around half the Nations population... I know I'm drilling that one over and over, but it's an important concept that needs to be examined in it's entirety... When so far the day in day out routine of living life hasn't changed for the average American citizen... it hasn't for me, I'm still poor, still going to work, scraping by, paying my bills, going to the grocery store, etc., etc.... Now, once Trump actually breaks the rules, then it's a different story, at least as far as going out and making a physical presence known in the form of protest, even violent protest depending upon what he actually does... as far as spellwork, I dunno, maybe I'll re-evaluate when that time comes, but I'm likely not to do spellwork, binding or otherwise against him, his administration, or his supporters... spellwork to support and protect those standing against him if such a time is Right and more importantly True, that's something else... Again, he actually has to break the rules first... I believe it's something called Due Process... you can't judge, convict, and sentence someone before the crime... and I'm not sure I'd want to live in a Minority Report world anyway... ;) |
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From: Sue/Seattle, [DNS_Address]
Subject: Re: Agreed...
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Minority Report was exactly what I was thinking when reading your post. It took the government 10 years to admit that yeah, fracking does seem related to earthquakes. It takes soooooo long to admit a wrong. Is it so bad to be proactive? I have no intention of subverting free will on things that do no harm. One could look at it as a protection spell on steroids. There is a fairly significant number of people whose life has changed already. Issues wth traveling, concern regarding immigration, just to name a couple.This will touch everyone, it just may take a little longer. |
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From: RIG, [DNS_Address]
Subject: Re: Is it so bad to be "proactive"?...
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Ugh... Dear Gods I hate that word!... Ok, running with that idea, "Is it so bad to be proactive?"... so then you liked Bush jr.'s and cohorts idea of Preemptive War?... is that what you want, to openly become like those you oppose... to become the enemy?... |
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From: Sue/Seattle, [DNS_Address]
Subject: Re: Is it so bad to be "proactive"?...
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Or lets keep cutting down trees and seeing if that has any effect on the environment. And certainly don't stop until there is conclusive evidence that there is which takes years and years. So how much do we learn from the past or are we just doomed to repeat it? Love ya RIG but there are times we just need to get out in front of it. Back to the spiritual before we get all political here. As a pagan how do you see yourself regards to mother nature? Do you feel you have obligations? |
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From: RIG, [DNS_Address]
Subject: Re: Is it so bad to be "proactive"?...
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Mother Nature will tend to Herself, if we truly threaten Her existence, Her body will defend itself... it's possible we've been seeing this over the past 40 years or so with what was coined Global Warming/Climate Change, and various localized natural disasters... I'm expecting to see more and an increase in scale... perhaps even culminating in another Ice Age, knocking humanity down to a scattered remnant and giving Herself time to renew Herself... As for the topic at hand, sounds like you've rationalized, justified, and made up your mind... when the new Witch Hunts begin, you have no one to blame but yourself... Luck to you... |
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From: Sue/Seattle, [DNS_Address]
Subject: Re: Is it so bad to be "proactive"?...
| I won't disagree with anything you just said RIG. |
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From: RIG, [DNS_Address]
Subject: Re: Is it so bad to be "proactive"?...
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Think about that "Witch Hunt" concept and what ramifications that could entail... from the Hunters perspective, and from your fellow Pagan's, Wiccan's, and or Witch's potential perspectives... |
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From: Sue/Seattle, [DNS_Address]
Subject: Re: Is it so bad to be "proactive"?...
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There is the reason part of the witches code is to never "out" another witch. Right now it seems to be about rounding up the Muslims. |
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From: RIG, [DNS_Address]
Subject: Re: Is it so bad to be "proactive"?...
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I don't think you've thought this through, it's not about your Code... you can go online and find Wiccan and Pagan groups anywhere in the US that do public gatherings, rituals and ceremonies, study sessions, food drives and all kinds of other activities... and they oh so helpfully provide directions right to them in your local coffee shop, Pagan bookstore, public park, etc., sometimes even their homes and or places of teaching (thinking Druids who have established actual schools).. your Code has nothing to do with it... Now keep in mind, repercussion wise, in a physical sense, I'm thinking of IF it actually works, or appears to have worked in the sense that Trump is removed from Office one way or another, and those of the more extreme fringe and or unstable Christian Right want to blame someone... and they most likely will... and if they glom onto the idea that it's the Witches (Wiccans, Pagans, Heathens, etc., "Satanists", ya know because in their eyes we're all servants of the Dark Lord) fault, the unhinged among them could very easily seek out those they believe did it (see parameters above)... and those type of people wont make a distinction between Wiccans, Pagans, Norse or Celt Heathen, or whatever other flavor of Pagan (as an umbrella term) is out there... they'll just see as all being the same... and all they have to do is look online to see who is where, and then Hunt... Although we are everywhere, we are even as a collection under the term Pagan, very much a minority... in other words easy pickin's, especially the more liberal minded among us that don't believe in violence, aggression, firearms... on the other hand, many Heathens, whereas they may or may not support Trump, are of a Conservative political persuasion... I can't imagine them being too happy if some Fundie nutjob kills a loved one of theirs who claims he did it in response to those joining and or performing a Spell against Trump and or them... as crazy as all of this sounds... And back to your Code for a moment, and just to point out, it's interesting that you (maybe not necessarily YOU you, but those who want to take part in casting this spell) want to dismiss one aspect within the Code (Law of Return/Three Fold Law-going back to original article, which really still does apply no matter how much they don't want it to) with various justifications and rationalizations, yet hide behind another part of your Code ("witches don't "out" other witches")... which again brings me back to the Pagan types that may not want to join in, or even disapprove of the action but may be a target because of YOUR/THEIR actions... so, at a guess, your thoughts regarding them are along the lines of what?... potential collateral damage?... or "gotta break a few eggs to make an omelette"?... Just tryin' ta get ya to think beyond what seems like a good idea but really isn't, even on your personal level... if it was just you doing this spell against Trump I would advise against it but wouldn't be nearly as vocal about it as it would just be your Magickal backlash to deal with... and if it did bite you in the ass, rest assured I'd be right there to say "I told ya so"... but the scope of this spell is truly above and beyond, and Magickal and or Spiritual consequences could easily reach beyond those roped into it by the arrogance of those pushing and promoting it, let alone the still Unknown source and or creator of said spell that has borderline turned into a movement... best I can figure, since he/she/they have remained "anonymous", they the only ones that would escape (maybe) any repercussions that might manifest into physical reality... Again, all this sounds unlikely, even crazy, and I am presenting it an extreme light... but it could, and if it did, it would be on your hands, on your soul... Just sayin'... ;) |
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From: Sue/Seattle, [DNS_Address]
Subject: Re: Is it so bad to be "proactive"?...
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If I was about to do harm I would WANT someone to stop me so the law of return doesn't bother me that much. Believe me I'm going to the store to stock up on protection supplies before I do anything at all. Also living in Seattle and rarely going far I feel pretty safe. These peeps are tolerant to a fault and Washington State always leads the charge against oppression. Still thinking how to act and know the answer will be there when the time comes |
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From: chatillion, [DNS_Address]
Subject: Re: Is it so bad to be "proactive"?...Sue...
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I've hesitated to join in this thread, but now feel compelled to. Please listen to what RIG is saying. This can have unintended consequences in all sorts of ways, even if considered as being for the best. I know this from experience. |
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From: Sue/Seattle, [DNS_Address]
Subject: Re: Is it so bad to be "proactive"?...Sue...
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I don't know what to say at this point other than its so awesome you folks believe in magic!!! Even by saying don't do it you are saying you believe. A phrase that has always made me shudder is "its Gods will". Tweak it to Gods, Goddess, whatever you like its all the same and I don't buy it. To me if the future is all predetermined I'm out. |
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From: RIG, [DNS_Address]
Subject: Re: Is it so bad to be "proactive"?...Sue...
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It's both!... it's "predetermined", AND there is Free Will... Paradox abounds within Creation... and there's not a Hel of a lot we can do about that... ;) |
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From: Sue/Seattle, [DNS_Address]
Subject: Re: Is it so bad to be "proactive"?...Sue...
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I agree it's some of both. The serenity prayer scores points for that. |
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From: RIG, [DNS_Address]
Subject: Re: Is it so bad to be "proactive"?...Sue...
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"Lord grant me the serenity to accept the things I cannot change, the courage to change the things I can, and the wisdom to hide the bodies of those people I had to kill because they pissed me off."... That one?... ;) Of I enjoy Calvin's take on it... ;) |
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From: snodrop, [DNS_Address]
Subject: Re: Is it so bad to be "proactive"?...Sue...
| similar.... |
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From: Sue/Seattle, [DNS_Address]
Subject: Re: Is it so bad to be "proactive"?...Sue...
| Even better LOL |
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From: Sue/Seattle, [DNS_Address]
Subject: Re: Is it so bad to be "proactive"?...Sue...
| That's the one and love the cartoon. |
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From: Eve, [DNS_Address]
Subject: ~ The Serenity Prayer ~
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Lord, make me an instrument of your peace. Where there is hatred, let me bring love. Where there is offense, let me bring pardon. Where there is discord, let me bring union. Where there is error, let me bring truth. Where there is doubt, let me bring faith. Where there is despair, let me bring hope. Where there is darkness, let me bring your light. Where there is sadness, let me bring joy. O Master, let me not seek as much to be consoled as to console, to be understood as to understand, to be loved as to love, for it is in giving that one receives, it is in self-forgetting that one finds, it is in pardoning that one is pardoned, it is in dying that one is raised to eternal life. The prayer has similarities to this saying of Blessed Giles of Assisi, one of the companions of St. Francis: Blessed is he who loves and does not therefore desire to be loved; Blessed is he who fears and does not therefore desire to be feared; Blessed is he who serves and does not therefore desire to be served; Blessed is he who behaves well toward others and does not desire that others behave well toward him; And because these are great things, the foolish do not rise to them. Psalm 118: 26Blessed is the one who comes in the name of the LORD; We have blessed you from the house of the LORD. 27The LORD is God, and He has given us light; |
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From: RIG, [DNS_Address]
Subject: Re: Is it so bad to be "proactive"?...
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Be careful how you use the concept of "These peeps are tolerant to a fault and Washington State always leads the charge against oppression"... even in Seattle there are conservatives... and once you get away from the I5 corridor there are plenty more conservatives... you get into smaller towns and back country WA State and there are even more... and it doesn't take much to blend into a city and or more liberal environment, do damage and get back out... "If I was about to do harm I would WANT someone to stop me"... on one hand what the frak do you think I'm doing talking to you about all this... ;) On the other hand, don't expect others to think and feel as you do... the Hunters wont, and whereas your on your way to buy protection supplies that may help you, what of the others within and around your Spiritual Path as I've previously mentioned?... it's fine that you've made your decision for yourself and whatever comes you know full well you've made YOUR choice... but what if my extreme scenario plays out and others are harmed because of yours and others actions (casting the spell)?... if you don't care, or find the idea of collateral damage acceptable, do you realize that not only is that spell potentially subverting the will of your intended targets... but now you're essentially subverting the will of those that may share your faith, and or other Pagan faiths, as the Hunters wont make a distinction between the various Paths?... essentially, potentially, taking all along for the ride because (if you commit to it) you believe that you are right above any others that may have argued against this course of action... that you have the right to make that decision for them... not to mention what of this (Trump being President and doing the things he's doing) is the will of the Gods, you've now set yourself above such (I know, heavy handed dramatics)... consider all the possibilities... As I said, if it was just you doing a spell against Trump, I would still advise against it, but wouldn't care beyond that as it would just be between you and the Universe... but this spell is designed to be something else entirely, whole magnitudes above and beyond that could have truly dire consequences for not just you, not just those participating and thinking they are Right and Just in doing so, but for us all... and something else to consider, it's all born out of Fear and feeling powerless, it's been dressed up otherwise, but it's really Fear pushing all this... not something to join your energy to... strictly my and already stated opinion of course... |
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From: ryan, [DNS_Address]
Subject: Re: Is it so bad to be "proactive"?...
| the sahara and negev deserts are pretty good evidence...easter island too... |
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From: RIG, [DNS_Address]
Subject: Re: and Lawlessness is ANARCHY.
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Isn't any worse than the New Ager Spiritual deception of the planet rising in frequency shtick... those that push such nonsense have no clue about Mother Earth... |
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From: joe_stampingbull, [DNS_Address]
Subject: Re: Binding spell on Trump
| Just cast a spell asking that the full truth about Drumpf be totally exposed to all. That is not wishing anyone evil. Certainly even his followers could not object to that. |
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From: JimW, [DNS_Address]
Subject: Re: joe, yes, that is the best way.(NT)
| (NT) |
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From: Eve, [DNS_Address]
Subject: Re: Binding spell on Trump
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Many be on the same side of those who lump sum one and all together as if every person is under the same spell when they are not. There area many spells and programs on the menus of this world....be it christian varieties, wiccan varieties...in types and forms too many to count. Not everyone who says they are a Christian is a Christian btw. Not freaking out here...there is no fear in my God and for me that is solid. I do get irritated with the box inside a box in inside a box inside a Boxy thinking at times though. Though I do not agree with all that is in the video I share yet I know it happens and it's a spell and not pretty either. I would not have shared this unless you and others brought it up so...so it is what it is...a fair response to the topic so many want to hash over. The Mr. T dude done called on the prosperity gospel already...they got their own witches. It's a war zone in this house divided we abide and sojourn through for a while. I am just trying to stay out of the casting spells thingies flying around the warzone. I myself do not plant my seeds in this world. |
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From: pamela, [DNS_Address]
Subject: Re: Binding spell on Trump
| She shore do like the joker.... won't bother to watch.. I had seen her years ago on the tv. all kinds of spells floating around... I agree, can't be part of that. |
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From: Eve, [DNS_Address]
Subject: Re: Binding spell on Trump
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I think you might find it interesting/informative. While the video does refer to Joyce Meyer in actuality I think it is to gain attention to the material as many are familiar with who she is. Only one minute (if that) is actually dedicated to Joyce. I have viewed it three times now and rarely do I ever do that or watch a youtube for that long and certainly not more than once. Speaking for myself when I first came across this by accident I viewed only the first ten minutes then was led to watch it in it's entirety later. |
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From: ryan, [DNS_Address]
Subject: Re: Binding spell on Trump
| if you are not crystal clear on the intent, ramifications and cost to cast a spell you have no business considering such...concerns such as yours suggest you should in no way be casting spells... |
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From: JimW, [DNS_Address]
Subject: Re: Binding spell on Trump
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I have to agree with you. I personally would not touch it. |
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From: Nevada, [DNS_Address]
Subject: ...I appreciate it that you personally wouldn't touch it...
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...but how do you feel about those people that will be touching it to bind President Trump... do you support them? |
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From: EM, [DNS_Address]
Subject: Re: ...I appreciate it that you personally wouldn't touch it...
| I feel like I've entered another dimension or past century reading these posts (well some of them). Why does anyone want to "bind" President Trump??? I much prefer sending Christ Light to him (and the entire DC area) that God's Will be done thru him. Perhaps I should have worded it God's Will for the American people be done thru him and let it go. |
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From: Sue/Seattle, [DNS_Address]
Subject: Re: ...I appreciate it that you personally wouldn't touch it...
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Aww Nevada. Let's not go there. Please no judging or taking sides. I sincerely appreciate everyone input and have until the 26th to consider. |
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From: JimW, [DNS_Address]
Subject: Re: ...I appreciate it that you personally wouldn't touch it...
| Nevada is addicted to following me around LOL |
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From: Nevada, [DNS_Address]
Subject: Re: Binding spell on Trump
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Sometimes the best answer is no. For me, this would be no squared. I appreciate your unequivocal response. |
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From: kay.so.or, [DNS_Address]
Subject: Re: Binding spell on Trump
| I agree ryan....its a dangerous game to play, things can backfire and set loose some bad energies....I prefer to pray for the highest and best good for all concerned, leave it in the hands of 'the creator/et all'...(although at times I have 'asked' that the truth be revealed in certain situations) |
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From: Eve, [DNS_Address]
Subject: Re: Binding spell on Trump
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Exactly. Why? Because it might very well and probably is a trick to get them casting spells on the same side while all the while making it appear otherwise. I been trying to say that for awhile...yet I do not think it is being computed. Figures. |
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From: RIG, [DNS_Address]
Subject: Re: Binding spell on Trump
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sigh... I was hoping you wouldn't glom onto this... shakes head... But for the sake of discussion... and more importantly, the Light of Truth... This "mass ritual" reminds me a lot of the New Ager "Fire the Grid" nonsense... you must be careful what you commit your energies to, and this isn't about the Wiccan Threefold Law/Law of Return... it's about Who is actually running the show, Who dropped this Seed, and is it really what it claims to be... when it comes to group and or mass ritual like this it really is important to Know who started it because they are the one/s who are ultimately gathering and using/directing this energy... yes the ritual is allegedly designed to be individualized, personalized, and be between the caster and (insert the God and or Divinity of your choosing here)... but, and yes I mean this seriously, consider the concept found in The Lord of the Rings... "Three Rings for the Elven-kings under the sky, Seven for the Dwarf-lords in their halls of stone, Nine for Mortal Men doomed to die, One for the Dark Lord on his dark throne In the Land of Mordor where the Shadows lie. One Ring to rule them all, One Ring to find them, One Ring to bring them all and in the darkness bind them In the Land of Mordor where the Shadows lie." That "One Ring", that "anonymous" person who wishes to remain unknown, the one who started this... as a practitioner of various Occult arts, it concerns me that this person wants to remain in shadow... on one hand I understand wanting to protect yourself from those more radical minded that might disagree with with this and want to physically find you, but it smells more of deception to me which makes me question the true motive... the true Intent and Desire... Further, the spell itself tramples on individual freedom... say the situation were reversed, there was someone in power that you liked and approved of, but another group didn't to the point they thought resorting to Magick to "bind" and or whatever else, and not just directed at the individual they don't like, but at all of that individuals "followers" as well... that is more than a "performance art" piece, or a "self empowering" bit of ritual to make yourself feel better... that is seeking to magickally subvert the free will of not just one person but many, a fair amount of a nations population ta boot... no matter how the spell is designed or how this writer and others defend it as having "no spiritual or psychic Karmic blowback"... guaranteed there will be on a scale equal to the amount of folk who participate in said "mass ritual"... Now consider The will of the Gods, or Divine This or That, The Fates and or The Norns... what has Been, what Is, what is to Be, and the Divinely Designed Nature of it... are you sure of what has come before that has led to now... are you sure you understand what is happening in the now... are you sure of what is next... if you're not sure about all of it, if you don't truly Know the Will of the Gods (or Whatever)... then are you really sure you should be playing with a mass ritual that you really don't Know from whom it came from or what that individuals (or Groups) true Intent, Focus, and Desire really is, as it could be the complete opposite of what the mass rituals promoters are claiming it to be... if your not sure... then maybe one should take a moment to consider,,, "All magic comes with a price, dearie." Rumpelstiltskin, Once Upon A Time... |
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From: Sunshine, [DNS_Address]
Subject: Re: Binding spell on Trump
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Love what you shared RIG. Really. Could not have written anything more concise than what you did. You nailed it. Totally agree and it so resonates too, as Truth. You rock Man ! |
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From: Sue/Seattle, [DNS_Address]
Subject: Re: Binding spell on Trump
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Thanks RIG. I was hoping for your input. As I mentioned the most important thing is intent. Of course I don't KNOW. But then I'm not a fan of fate either. Part of being Wiccan is to practice magic. The threefold law was all Gardner though not a bad rule and I do believe what goes around comes around. I agree this should not be entered into lightly and only as last resort. I don't see spells that much different than the Christian prayers. Each to their own ya know. I will ponder what you said and am very appreciative of your well rasoned response. |
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From: Eve, [DNS_Address]
Subject: Re: Binding spell on Trump
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I do not practice prayer myself nor do I practice at being a Christian. |
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From: RIG, [DNS_Address]
Subject: Re: Binding spell on Trump
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Heh... I'm not a fan of "fate" either, doesn't mean it doesn't exist... ;) And just because you're a Wiccan and part of that is practicing Magick doesn't mean you have to with every situation that comes along... I'm a firearm enthusiast, owner, and believer in the Right to own thereof, doesn't mean a firearm is the answer for all situations, no matter how much fun it might be to just step out on my front porch and blow off a bunch of rounds into the sky... my neighbors might have something to say about that... ;) I see a fair amount of difference between Spells, harnessing Magick for for one purpose or another, as being leaps and bounds above simple prayer, Christian or otherwise... prayer indicates powerlessness, asking or begging the Gods to do for you... working Magick and or casting a Spell isn't being powerless, it's doing for yourself... there are varying degrees of levels, but the Ideal behind both is drastically different... A nitpick... I don't know if I agree that the Threefold Law was "all Gardner", or as the linked articles indicate, "Freemasonry"... I think he borrowed concepts from Crowley, Golden Dawn, and other Magickal Orders that predated what he was forming... and those ideals were borrowed from various ancient beliefs... now, through "borrowing" through the ages, they change, and dillute, and transform to something else than what they originally were... again, just a nitpick... ;) And your welcome for the input, and hope you consider your choice carefully... |
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From: Sue/Seattle, [DNS_Address]
Subject: Re: Binding spell on Trump
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Very good point about prayer and powerlessness. However spells can ask for help from a God or Goddess.But yes, spells are more empowering. The last time I cast a spell I was 19 years old so I do not do it capriciously.It was a binding love spell that bounced back on me pretty good. All these years later I still can't get that dude off my mind. So I get it, I really do. Controlling people is a slippery slope. I do appreciate people's concern for my well being and if it doesn't feel right at the appointed time I will not do it. If we can make difference its worth the risk. BTW I think that why pagans should care is Trumps ideas about the environment should chill us all to the bone. The earth needs an advocate and who better than a pagan. |
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From: Eve, [DNS_Address]
Subject: Re: Binding spell on Trump
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You have absolutely no control over this girl...just sayin. |
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From: Eve, [DNS_Address]
Subject: Re: Binding spell on Trump
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Also it does not take a pagan to be care for or be concerned about the earth. That is imo opinion a reflection of boxy thinking. |
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From: Sue/Seattle, [DNS_Address]
Subject: Re: Binding spell on Trump
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Eve I in no way meant to imply that its strictly a pagan thing to care about the environment. Paganism is all about being a protector and lover of nature so its just part of the job description. We need everyone to care for sure. |
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From: Eve, [DNS_Address]
Subject: Re: Binding spell on Trump
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Thank you for being clear on that Sue. |
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From: Eve, [DNS_Address]
Subject: Re: Binding spell on Trump
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Not everyone prays the way you describe btw. |
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From: inthestars, [DNS_Address]
Subject: Re: Binding spell on Trump
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sure take part if you want to get hit by my round two for trump against you magic. |
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From: q, [DNS_Address]
Subject: Re: Binding spell on Trump
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You must not be Christian. What are you? |
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From: Sue/Seattle, [DNS_Address]
Subject: Re: Binding spell on Trump
| I'm working at being Wiccan but am Pagan for sure |
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From: Sue/Seattle, [DNS_Address]
Subject: Re: Binding spell on Trump
| Some Q & A at link to keep it real. |
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