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Date: June 22, 2016 at 08:01:35
From: hannah, [DNS_Address]
Subject: can a person make |
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another person dark with anger or is that someone merely reflecting what was already there
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Date: June 29, 2016 at 20:45:33
From: et, [DNS_Address]
Subject: hannah a person with a person can make a person; educate with love... |
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hannah a person with a person can make a person; educate with love... or
trained with something else... Note how I have opted to respond in a way
does answer what you asked whilst complexity focused on lovely ways
rather than the other ways which you or what resides within you invites us
to consider... now ideas/feelings/actions from a person can tint
ideas/feelings/actions from someone and from somebody... I would suggest
you be mindful of the concepts you call forth, invite and pursue... read the
two wolf story and which one one feeds the most... of course the key may
be in educating each wolf to behave appropriately at the appropriate willful
commands and/or/with on it's own so long as it does what better be done as
it better be done... ...
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Date: June 23, 2016 at 08:16:22
From: hannah, [DNS_Address]
Subject: thank you and hugs |
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thank you all 4 sharing your wisdom.
The question was spiritual and 4 the purpose of moving beyond this dance.
No i dont play at anything this serious. But am open to defining my responsibility and had not known that each moment both karmas were in play.
I have a place to start.
Blessings to all.
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Date: June 22, 2016 at 20:35:37
From: Arc, [DNS_Address]
Subject: Re: can a person make |
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hannah-
"can a person make another person dark with anger"
Yes.
"or is that someone merely reflecting what was already there"
Yes, certainly.
It encounters a constant, of movement, within pivotal conditions of whatsoever karma, of either.
Removal of karma, absolute, would disallow the re-interaction[s] of engagement within the sphere of said karma. The karma is as manifold as there are 'visible stars, or electrical impulses within a healthy, living brain structure.
However there is simplicity in comprehension to those skilled in this manner. Few of this world, even over many millennium, incarnate karma-free. Others, that have achieved full reduction of karma (true Enlightenment) while in the physical house, are less than few, or, are not widely known to the masses; who dwell in said conditions you brought up in your query.
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Learn to disengage, as a process, as whatever arose can be a signal to what was unforeseen (learning), yet the actuator (potential growth).
Look at two wheels, say each are cog wheels. Make one wheel without cogs...fitting engagement is, well, much less than fitting.
In the heat of the (karmic) moment, tests are garnered. You are the judge and the jury, at the final departure.
Rely on yourself, your own book-of-life, avoid the various crutches (inhibitors) in seeking [self]liberation/emancipation.
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Date: June 22, 2016 at 22:31:53
From: mr bopp, [DNS_Address]
Subject: Re: can a person make |
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i see you play it both ways...i think you can only make yourself dark with anger, even if it is just a robotic/conditioned response...of course, you then have to define what is you, and what is not you..."you" is most often not what "you" think it is...
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Date: June 23, 2016 at 06:32:48
From: KAN DAEK/Denver, [DNS_Address]
Subject: Bingo |
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BINGO Mr. Bopp....well said. Each is responsible for
their anger but its at times good idea not to push some
peoples buttons which may bring it out. And some angry
people push others peoples angry buttons on purpose. it
may be good or bad depending.
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Date: June 22, 2016 at 14:24:04
From: kay.so.or, [DNS_Address]
Subject: Re: can a person make |
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interesting question Hannah....I think anyone's 'buttons' can be 'pushed' as we all carry hidden hurts/angers that we have not been encouraged to express/share/dea with from babyhood on up to present time. It is that 'inner child' thing.
We are all born with different personalities too as you know, some are very sensitive and others can brush things off easily. I think it is very complicated and sure there are 'those' belief systems/practices that can help one 'heal' those old hurts so a person 'could' work towards that 'balance' in themselves, and deal with anyone from a 'centered' place and not let things affect them but in my working with people, I don't think there are many who, truthfully can simply 'choose' not to react when someone is deliberately goading them or hurting them.
we are born with these emotional and physical bodies aren't we? they can be hurt, hurt so badly and even if one has programmed themselves (or been programmed) to stuff 'it', not show their feelings,it is stil tucked away deep inside.
Look at the crazy political scene that is going on right now and you see ample evidence that people are 'reacting' because they have ideas/opinions/person experiences that made 'buttons' to be pushed in themselves. Is anyone, anyone saying to the people, step back, take a breath, calm down and lets work on thngs together?
I am a pretty calm person and can let most things just 'be' but I am very honest with myself and others that once in awhile, a 'button' might get pushed and even surprise me with my reactions, so that lets me know, dang, ok, I have a sore spot there.
I am not saying it is impossible for any person to be able to 'choose' how they would react to any situation, maybe those who have meditated, and worked diligently to heal those places inside themselves that are damaged, but how many people do that or know how to do that?
My way of dealing with an angry situation for example is to just do a 'stompy'...like a little kid, stomp the floor and state I am angry and pretty quick I am just laughing at myself and then I am over it.
I try to remember that saying 'what you think of me is none of my business', but sometimes we do care what someone thinks of us and it hurts when things comes up, as much as we try not to let it hurt.
One of my 'ex's who was a damaged person himself, just knew how to goad someone into 'reacting' and he loved doing it, it put me off balance because I never expected that kind of manipulation and had never had that done to me before......that is why he became an 'ex'....lol
So, it does feel liberating when one gets to that 'centeredness' that one can step back from a situation and see that they have a choice, and maybe access what kind of effect different choices can have and make a conscious choice!
The irony here Hannah, is there are some who 'want' to see reactions, and if you don't react, then they say you are 'cold', 'unemotional', 'hard to reach', etc...so it can be a lose/lose situation....
Anyway, sorry for all the philosophizing on this subject, it was worthwhile to ponder.....hugs, kay
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Date: June 22, 2016 at 15:38:00
From: Sue/Seattle, [DNS_Address]
Subject: Re: can a person make |
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I get what Kay is saying but it is very empowering to
know that no one can MAKE you feel. I think it is also
a cop out to say someone MADE a person do something
that the person knew was wrong for example.
It very complicated to be sure.We all have buttons, we
all have triggers, and a manipulative may know them
and use them.Its also one can feel a certain way but
one does not need to act on it. That's where the
choice comes in. Again just IMO
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Date: June 23, 2016 at 09:56:32
From: hannah, [DNS_Address]
Subject: Re: can a person make |
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there was no copout here.
I need to know if this feeling of anger which is an emotion that i strive to avoid is from repeated exposure from an individual or from dna which is primary reason i run from that feeling.
Your first post helped me lean further to personal responsibilty.
This post was more personal and redundent. I know i need to take the log out and quick as time is short.
Take care
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Date: June 23, 2016 at 11:55:57
From: Sue/Seattle, [DNS_Address]
Subject: Re: can a person make |
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This is a great topic. I do think we are hard wired
for some situations in order to survive. If you feel
you are in a toxic relationship you are. Its your
perceptions that matter. "Anger" has been in
conversation lately after the Orlando incident. Some
question if this is actually fear. Something to
ponder.
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Date: June 29, 2016 at 21:01:46
From: et, [DNS_Address]
Subject: Re: both individual perceptions and the actuality matter |
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in other words if you feel good and you are not good ... or if you are good
and do not feel good Houston we got a dissonant issue seek to both feel
and be good... and think and act good too
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Date: June 30, 2016 at 14:10:59
From: Jim W, [DNS_Address]
Subject: Re: both individual perceptions and the actuality matter |
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That is totally confusing and makes no sense.
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Date: June 23, 2016 at 14:29:26
From: hannah, [DNS_Address]
Subject: Re: can a person make |
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there was no copout here.
I need to know if this feeling of anger which is an emotion that i strive to avoid is from repeated exposure from an individual or from dna which is primary reason i run from that feeling.
Your first post helped me lean further to personal responsibilty.
This post was more personal and redundent. I know i need to take the log out and quick as time is short.
Take care
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Date: June 23, 2016 at 10:08:28
From: RIG, [DNS_Address]
Subject: Re: can a person make |
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Face your fears... or anger... and all else floating in
your head... they're all there for a reason...
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Date: June 22, 2016 at 16:21:00
From: RIG, [DNS_Address]
Subject: Re: can a person make |
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Have you ever fallen in love with someone?... if so, was
it choosing that feeling, or was it something that
person did/was/etc?...
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Date: June 22, 2016 at 21:13:16
From: Sue/Seattle, [DNS_Address]
Subject: Re: can a person make |
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Well I was in love with a married man at one time.
Then it comes to act or not. Did they make me love
them, I don't think so. Its definitely complicated and
maybe best determined in context.
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Date: June 23, 2016 at 06:26:37
From: RIG, [DNS_Address]
Subject: Re: can a person make |
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"It's definitely complicated"... and that's the primary
point I was making, it's more complicated than "no one
can MAKE you feel" one thing or another... I get where
you're coming from on the "empowerment" bit, and I used
to run on that concept as well until I really started
looking at it and observing how humans interact with
each other... of course another person can make you feel
something, and vise versa you can make others feel
something... it's as you hit on "it comes to act or
not", or more precisely, how to react... and more
importantly, how to maintain control of your emotional
(feeling) reaction, or not to, depending on the
situation...
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Date: June 22, 2016 at 15:08:40
From: hannah, [DNS_Address]
Subject: thank you and hugs |
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it gave me a lot to think about and a much needed release. Thanks 4 hearing me.
Many blessings
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Date: June 22, 2016 at 10:52:17
From: Sue/Seattle, [DNS_Address]
Subject: Re: can a person make |
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My take, no one can MAKE you feel anything. One
chooses the feeling and should own it.
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Date: June 22, 2016 at 11:56:48
From: hannah, [DNS_Address]
Subject: swamp cooler |
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thank you.
I was leaning that way.
Appreciate the honesty.
Blessings
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