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Date: August 18, 2023 at 11:30:01
From: MikeinIndioCA, [DNS_Address]
Subject: Hurricane Hilary and the potential for seismic triggering |
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I am a little surprised that this isn't a topic
being discussed within seismic circles considering
recently published papers have linked the flooding
of the Coachella Valley and triggering along the
southern most San Andreas fault.
I'd love to hear some of you weigh in, especially
those with scientific backgrounds.
The wife and I recently purchased EQ insurance and I
am glad we did now. We live very close to Briska
Farms (less than 7 miles from the SAF). We are well
prepared as I preach preparedness (father since I
was young always talked about being ready for the
next great quake).
We're prepared as much as we can be. This is a rare
event and from the latest information Hilary's cone
goes right through the Coachella Valley. The South
Slopes of the Santa Rosa mountains are expected to
get the most runoff and has the highest risk of
flash flooding so we might be a little better off
being closer to the San Gorgonio mountains. On the
other hand, let's not forget our friend the San
Jacinto Fault which has also been pretty quiet the
last 30+ years.
Be safe everyone!
Mike
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Date: August 20, 2023 at 17:17:05
From: georg, [DNS_Address]
Subject: Re: Hurricane Hilary and the potential for seismic triggering |
URL: https://scedc.caltech.edu/recent/Maps/119-34.html |
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good call ... I missed seeing this when I posted
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Date: August 20, 2023 at 19:16:40
From: MikeinIndio CA, [DNS_Address]
Subject: Re: Hurricane Hilary and the potential for seismic triggering |
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Just to be clear, this was by no means a
prediction.I was just curious as to other people's
input on the topic.
It will be interesting to see why lies ahead.
Be safe al
Mike
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Date: August 20, 2023 at 01:43:16
From: EQF, [DNS_Address]
Subject: Hurricane And Earthquakes - Aug. 20, 2023 |
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Posted by EQF on August 20, 2023
The following are opinions, not formally published information. If there is some published information that does not agree with these opinions, then people should put more trust in the publication.
FAULT ZONE STRAIN
If a fault zone is getting ready to fracture on its own, anything that adds some temporary or permanent strain to it might cause the approaching earthquake to be triggered.
These effects might also KEEP the earthquake from occurring when it might have on its own because they lead to strain being temporarily or permanently removed from the fault zone area.
So, the tremendous additional weight of storm surge water might add enough strain.
Friction drag between water moving in some direction because of the hurricane and the ocean floor might add enough strain.
Friction drag between the fast moving hurricane air and the land might add some strain.
The weight of unusually large amounts of rain on the ground might add some strain.
It should be easy to determine what could be taking place here and what is not by using the right equations and also by checking historical records of earthquakes in some area relative to the presence of a nearby hurricane.
VERY FEW SIGNALS
Very few high intensity EM Signals have been detected during the past few months. So if that approaching storm near the U.S. West Coast is causing some local fault zone to become unstable, its effects are not appearing with the forecasting method that I myself use.
Regards to all,
EQF
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Date: August 19, 2023 at 12:20:44
From: pamela, [DNS_Address]
Subject: Re: Hurricane Hilary and the potential for seismic triggering |
URL: http://www.earthquakesummary.info/tidal-and-weather-effects/ |
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Its been discussed here for many years. Especially by
Lowell Whiteside. And also some of our
Earthsensitive/Groans people.
You can check this link out. He always runs days behind
current events, but if you choose to save his link you
can always find his comments on this and other related.
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Date: August 20, 2023 at 01:58:36
From: EQF, [DNS_Address]
Subject: Web Site Link - August 20, 2023 |
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Posted by EQF on August 20, 2023
Hi Pamela,
Is that link to a Web site being maintained by Dr. Whiteside?
If so, is there a way to contact him?
I have been wondering for years where he disappeared to. I used to talk with him at length on another earthquake forum and by E-mail. Then he just seemed to vanish into thin air.
He apparently WAS keeping in touch with an earthquake researcher named Petra, now deceased.
He was or is in my opinion one of the relatively few scientists who specialize in earthquake research who actually believe that earthquakes can probably be predicted to some degree.
Roger and I developed a computer program that involved the use of his "ring" theory regarding earthquake occurrence times. Basically, the theory proposed that they could occur in certain areas to an increased degree if their fault zones were a certain distance from where a powerful earthquake recently occurred.
We were not able to spend enough time on testing that theory to see if our earthquake data agreed with it.
Roger and I also looked at earthquake occurrence times relative to underground nuclear tests. But we were not able to see any correlations with the data we were using.
Neither of those was a thorough study. We were just looking for easily spotted links.
Regards,
EQF
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Date: August 20, 2023 at 18:08:02
From: pamela, [DNS_Address]
Subject: Re: Web Site Link - August 20, 2023 |
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Before Petra passed, I got the link to his site from
her and kept it ever since. I really don't know how to
get a hold of him.
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Date: August 23, 2023 at 09:32:44
From: EQF, [DNS_Address]
Subject: Re: Web Site Link - August 20, 2023 |
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Posted by EQF on August 23, 2023
Hi Pamela,
Thanks for the information. It is quite helpful. Determining how to contact him should not be too difficult now that I know those details.
A note will likely eventually be posted here regarding whether or not the effort to contact him was successful.
Regards to all,
EQF
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Date: August 23, 2023 at 09:52:34
From: pamela, [DNS_Address]
Subject: Re: Web Site Link - August 20, 2023 |
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👍it would be nice if you could locate him
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Date: August 26, 2023 at 02:20:25
From: EQF, [DNS_Address]
Subject: No Luck So Far With Contacting Him - August 26, 2023 |
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Posted by EQF on Autust 26, 2023
Hi again Pamela,
So far I have not had any luck with determining how to contact Dr. Whiteside. Usually I am able to find people without too much trouble.
Other than his Web site he seems to have disappeared into the mist.
I was able to determine his age and will guess that he is officially retired.
There are some ways to possibly contact him by contacting his former employers or different universities that probably have him on their graduates lists. But trying to do that is a lot of trouble.
There is a lot of information on his Web site. In fact, there is so much that it appears to me to be difficult to get any useful and relevant information from all of his data.
He and another scientist did start a "for profit" earthquake forecasting company years ago.
It apparently ran into a few problems. I don't know how successful it might have been.
He and that other scientist applied for patents for their forecasting technologies. I don't know it they obtained any.
These are personal opinions.
EQF
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Date: August 26, 2023 at 14:31:26
From: pamela, [DNS_Address]
Subject: Re: No Luck So Far With Contacting Him - August 26, 2023 |
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Date: August 27, 2023 at 21:14:12
From: EQF, [DNS_Address]
Subject: Getting Closer And Closer - August 27, 2023 |
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Posted by EQF on August 27, 2023
Hi again Pamela,
As I stated, I am usually fairly good at finding people.
As of this time, I believe that I am getting closer and closer. With luck I might be able to contact him some time this week, perhaps as early as August 28, 2023.
This is a fairly important matter as I am attempting to contact and then get scientists around the world such as him talking with one another so that we can combine our precursor data and start generating accurate earthquake forecasts.
Back in 2007, Dr. Whiteside and one of his colleagues were apparently given a formal U.S. Patent related to their forecasting method.
I also now know what he looks like. This is not what I would have expected based on the conversations we had over the years.
These are personal opinions.
Regards to all,
EQF
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Date: August 28, 2023 at 14:29:08
From: mimici/socal, [DNS_Address]
Subject: Re: Getting Closer And Closer - August 27, 2023 |
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Please consider including Jack Coles. I can help you get
in touch. I know he'd really like to connect if at all
possible.
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Date: August 18, 2023 at 19:42:29
From: jordan, [DNS_Address]
Subject: Re: Hurricane Hilary and the potential for seismic triggering |
URL: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1939_California_tropical_storm |
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last tropical storm to hit southern california was in
1939 than 1940 el centro quake.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1940_El_Centro_earthquake
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Date: August 20, 2023 at 17:18:04
From: georg, [DNS_Address]
Subject: Re: Hurricane Hilary and the potential for seismic triggering |
URL: https://scedc.caltech.edu/recent/Maps/119-34.html |
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yes, they said it had been eighty years and you nailed
it ... heavy rainfall and earthquakes seem to go
together
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