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Date: April 21, 2022 at 18:08:45
From: cal orey, [DNS_Address]
Subject: Electronic Stuff Going Haywire -- NorCal |
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Toothbrush on and off by itself! Many times. Ordered new
one.
TVs -- both are not working with remotes (Tech coming
tomorrow)
Computer is iffy (new) (Got new one.)
Phone out for a day (Fixed)
Precursors to a quake or faulty wiring in house? All
started two days ago or so...Dog refuses to go out in
living room (still)...new furniture. Snowstorm but that's
nothing new.
Anyone?
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Date: May 21, 2022 at 07:26:20
From: EQF, [DNS_Address]
Subject: Re: Electronic Stuff Going Haywire -- NorCal |
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Posted by EQF on May 21, 2022
Some electric devices, especially older television and radio sets have LRC circuits in them.
L refers to inductance, R to resistance, and C to capacitance.
An earthquake researcher in India discovered that in some cases, local magnetic fields can be temporarily disturbed when an earthquake is approaching.
The inductance circuitry in an electric device that is not sufficiently protected from local magnetic fields can cause the device's inductance value to temporarily change when there are magnetic field fluctuations.
So, a radio that is tuned to a specific radio station might need to be retuned to get it to lock on to the radio station again. When the magnetic field fluctuations stopped, things would return to normal.
I believe that before some earthquakes, there could also be a static electric charge buildup in some electric devices. That could affect the performance of the devices and even damage them.
It would not be unusual for some animals including especially sensitive humans to experience symptoms such as disorientation and nausea when all of this is taking place.
The pet animal disorientation is what I understand Jim Berkland was monitoring- reports in the local news regarding lost pets etc.
Several earthquake researchers found that certain types of plants growing near fault zones could be affected by an approaching earthquake. The plants could show signs of stress with stem damage, wilted leaves etc.
Solar storms can at times have an impact here. Exactly how that happens is still not known as far as I am aware.
However, a number of years ago, several independent earthquake research groups did some studies and concluded that "Solar Storm Related Proton Densities" were the major force here, as compared with electron density for example.
This was a highly important discovery.
One especially good technical paper about the Proton Densities was published in Nature magazine.
If my understanding of all of this is correct, one conclusion was that when Solar Storm related Proton Densities have high values, this can at times cause an earthquake to be triggered if a fault zone is getting ready to fracture anyway.
These are personal opinions.
EQF
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Date: May 28, 2022 at 12:36:40
From: EQF, [DNS_Address]
Subject: Earthquakes and Magnetic Fields - May 28, 2022 |
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Posted by EQF on May 28, 2022
My earlier comments regarding earthquakes and LRC circuits were based on the following formally published report plus my own years of experience with electronics from university courses and work at top university research labs.
The following report was prepared by a seismologist who is also an expert on earthquake forecasting. I have his permission to circulate copies of the report.
Generally, if I post a report to this forum that says that this or that has been observed, my information is based on research, usually published, from one or more experienced scientists and researchers.
Regards to all,
EQF
MOST OF THAT SEISMOLOGISTS REPORT
(a small amount of information has been removed for privacy reasons)
Experimental verification of seismo-electromagnetic effect as
reliable seismic precursor
Arun Bapat
Abstract: The manifestation of Seismo-Electronic Effect could be seen in various forms on different electronic communication such as radio, television, wireless communication, mobile phones etc. The adverse effect on wireless communication as reliable seismic precursor is quite well known. For this an experiment, consisting of sending and receiving electronic signal was conducted for two years. It was found that the few hours before the occurrence of any earthquake, the reception frequency had noticeable rise.
Keywords: Seismo-Electromagnetic Effect, Wireless communication, Earthquake precursor
(Received on 14 September 2016. Accepted on 20 September 2016)
The subject of Seismo-Electromagnetic Effect has been developed as a tool to observe reliable seismic precursors.
The Seismo-electromagnetic effect is manifested on various electronic communication equipments few hours before earthquake, such as Radio, Wireless Communication sets, landline telephones, Radio, Television and mobile telephones. This precursor is manifested at different times in different equipments. The landline (or Cable telephone) telephone talk is disturbed and there is lot of background noise (khar-khar). This is seen few days before the earthquake. The reception of radio signals is adversely affected. If a programme is broadcast on 1000 kHz then the same would be received in the potential Epicentral area at higher frequencies such as 1100, 1200, … 1400 kHz etc. It needs to be noted that the transmitted frequency does not change. It is the reception of frequency which shows the rise. A Transmitter sends waves in all directions. A receiver receives the transmitted signal through an antenna. The equation for reception of the transmitted signal is given by:
This is explained mathematically by following equation.
f = 1/ 2(LC) …………………………….. (1)
Where f is frequency received by the receiver
L is inductance
C is capacitor … (it may vary for different types of receivers)
2 and are constants
Before the occurrence of a medium to large magnitude earthquake, the sub surface temperature at the hypocenter increases considerably. The rise at hypocenter has not been measured but estimated to be in the range of 30° C to 60º C or more. Rise in temperature reduces the magnetism. When magnetic field strength is reduced the value of L (inductance) also decreases.
The above equation is valid for coil-magnet type receivers and also for ferrite type receivers. It is only at the reception end that the frequency is apparently enhanced. The term L is in denominator and in square root sign. As even a little change in the value of L (the geomagnetic field) would change the value of received frequency. Above Equation (1) explains the phenomenon of Seismo-Electro-Magnetic Effect. Enhanced frequency reception was seen for the first time prior to the Tashkent Earthquake of 1966. Subsequently it has been observed at several locations. It is also known that atmospheric cloud lightning; hailstorm may also change the reception of frequency. But this is transient and lasts for few seconds..
Experiment to check Seismo-Electromagnetic Effect and Earthquake
An experiment to check these observations was conducted at Koyna, in Maharashtra State in India. Koyna has become famous for the magnitude 6.5 earthquake of 10 December 1967. This earthquake had occurred in stable continental plateau. Incidentally it was one of the leading case cited several time in the so called subject of Reservoir Induced Seismicity (RIS). After this the seismicity has been low and the number of earthquakes per month has come down. The Koyna region is still showing some minor seismic activity.
The experiment was conducted at two locations. Pune the main city in the vicinity and located at a distance of 120 km from Koyna. For this purpose, Wireless Communication System was used. A signal was sent three times a day at 0800, 1200 and 1600 hrs from Pune to Koyna a distance of about 120 km and the received frequency at Koyna was recorded. Daily three signals were sent and the experiment was conducted for two years. As such available readings are 365 x 2 x 3 = 2190. During this period there were 21 records of small magnitude earthquake (M 4.0 to 5.0). About ten to twelve hours before the occurrence of earthquake, a shift of frequency in wireless communication was invariably recorded. The frequency of transmission was 4750 kHz and the shifts were in the range 35 to 95 kHz depending up on the magnitude of earthquake.
An interesting observation was found for the first time India after 26 January 2001 Bhuj earthquake. This 7.8 magnitude earthquake occurred at 0846 (Local Time). During the period 0600 hours to 0630 hours, most of the mobile telephones were non-functioning. It was also checked and confirmed that there were no electrical, electronic or mechanical failures in telephone exchanges. Persons from Pakistan have reported similar observations before the 08 October 2005 Muzaffarabad earthquake in Pakistan also confirmed similar observation. On 13 April 2016 an earthquake of M = 7.4 occurred in the border region of India- Myanmar at 23.133º N and 94.900º E at 19h 25m 17s (Indian Standard Time which is + 5h 30 of UTC) . Within few hours of earthquake, I received information of cable telephones and by e mails that from Aizwal (capital of Mizoram), Dimapur (Nagaland) and Dibrugarh and Jorhat in Assam informing that before the earthquake the mobile telephones were not working.
Using these experimental observations an advisory type note has been prepared and it has been found useful in India, Pakistan, Nepal, Myanmar, Indonesia, Philippines, Iran, Ethiopia and Chile etc. The advisory is given at the end of this abstract. It is hoped that it would be useful to all seismically active countries.
The Advisory Note:
Short term EQ precursor
I am giving the following very short term reliable seismic precursors. The population may be informed accordingly. These instructions are valid for earthquakes of magnitude more than 5.5 or so. These may not be valid for earthquakes of magnitude less than 5.0
(a) About 10 to 12 hours before the occurrence of earthquake all zoological specimens (animals, reptiles, birds, fishes, insects etc.) would become abnormal in behavior and would be making unusual shouting noise .They would become hostile attitude towards owner or any person approaching the animal. Attention: farmers, veterinary doctors, zoo officials etc.
(b) There could a rise of about 5 to 7 times more than the daily average rate of deliveries and patients in hospitals. The rise in number of cases could start about 15 to 20 hours before the earthquake and would continue to rise till earthquake. Attention: Medical Doctors, Nurses, Paramedical staff and hospital administrators.
(c) About 8 to 10 hours before earthquake, the reception on television would be disturbed. The disturbances would be audio, visual and spectral. The number of disturbances per hour would continue to rise till earthquake occurs. Attention: Radio and Communication engineers,
(d) The Cell (also known as Mobile) telephones would start mal-functioning about 100 to 120 minutes before earthquake. The same would become non-functional about 120 to 150 minutes before earthquake. For emergency use, the Disaster Managers should have satellite Phones. Attention: Telephone engineers
(e) About 15 hours before earthquake, Wireless Communication of Police, Army, Airport, Fire brigade would be disturbed. The transmitted signal would (i) not be received or (ii) received at higher frequency. If the transmitted frequency of signal is 1000 kHz, the same could be received in the potential Epicentral area at 1100, 1200...1400, 1500 kHz. At times, an approaching aircraft may not be able to establish contact with the Airport Traffic Control Tower of the landing airport. Attention: Telephone Engineers, Air Traffic Controller at nearest Airport, Wireless Communication experts
(f) If all the above, especially (a), (b), c) and (d) are extensively observed over large area, then people could expect earthquake within the specified duration mentioned above. They should close all electrical, water, gas connections in house and come in open space.
The above suggestions may be translated and printed in local language and such pamphlets may be distributed. The same may be broadcast over radio and telecast over television. The system of SMS and MMS may also be used along with e mail.
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Date: May 30, 2022 at 21:28:44
From: Skywise, [DNS_Address]
Subject: I already know you won't like what I have to say. |
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"formally published report"
A submission to the NCGT Journal? OK. Yeah. Published. But far from credible.
For other folks who may be reading, NCGT is an abbreviation for "New Concepts in Global Tectonics" and,
according to their own website, "was begun as a result of discussions at the symposium “Alternative
Theories to Plate Tectonics”". Their motto is "Accept Nothing on Authority."
http://www.ncgtjournal.com/
NCGT JOURNAL Volume 4, Number 3 page 453
In any case, I found the journal issue that you are quoting from and see that you did in fact post it in
it's entirety. I was curious because there's a lot of information missing from this 'research'. It makes a
lot of claims but everything else is missing, such as details of the experimental method used and the
resulting data. Information included in respected publications and necessary for peer review and experimental
verification.
So all we have is some extraordinary claims with no evidence to support it, 'published' in a journal of
questionable repute.
But moving on from that, I can still critique a specific point.
The basic claim is that a signal is sent by electromagnetic wave at a specific frequency and that
sometimes it is received on a different frequency. It is conjectured that this frequency shift is caused
by impending earthquakes.
There is some specific data given,
"The frequency of transmission was 4750 kHz and the shifts were in the range 35 to 95 kHz depending up
on the magnitude of earthquake."
That is one heck of a frequency shift!
Unless the author is proposing some new physics heretofore unknown to science, there are only two ways I
am aware of to shift EM frequencies like that. The Doppler effect, and non-linear effects (of which I am
familiar with in optics and lasers.)
I'm sure, Ed, even you can agree that the Doppler effect doesn't apply here. For the frequency given and
even the smallest frequency shift given, would require a relative speed of 2,192,839 meters/sec, or nearly
1 percent the speed of light!!! (Doppler Effect Calculator)
That leaves non-linear effects. And from what I know, that requires very high electric field densities
within a non-liner medium. I'm sure we can rule this one out as well as I don't think the author was
transmitting a radio wave at anywhere near even an iota of the power levels required for this to occur.
I mean, we're talking megawatt+ power densities. And what is the non-linear medium?
Now, I am smart enough to know that despite how much I know I don't know everything, and may be unaware of
some phenomenon that can explain the claims made in this 'research', and I am open minded enough to entertain
new ideas.
Maybe, Ed, you can enlighten me?
I know you don't like what I say here. And you'll likely call again for action to limit or censor such
critical postings of your content, or some such other nonsense, as if you run the place.
Accept criticism.
Brian
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Date: May 23, 2022 at 21:21:07
From: Skywise, [DNS_Address]
Subject: Re: Electronic Stuff Going Haywire -- NorCal |
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EQF said:
"Some electric devices, especially older television and radio sets have LRC circuits in them.
L refers to inductance, R to resistance, and C to capacitance."
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"The inductance circuitry in an electric device that is not sufficiently protected from local
magnetic fields can cause the device's inductance value to temporarily change when there are
magnetic field fluctuations.
So, a radio that is tuned to a specific radio station might need to be retuned to get it to lock
on to the radio station again. When the magnetic field fluctuations stopped, things would return
to normal."
Unfortunately, no. I can speak with some authority on this as I was schooled in electronics
engineering. Inductors are not really affected by external magnetic fields in any meaningful way.
And most consumer devices are rarely if ever shielded from external magnetic fields as it's not
generally necessary.
Inductors are made with coils of insulated wire and work by generating a magnetic field within the
coil to temporarily store energy, which creates a reverse electromotive force in the coil (back
EMF) which resists the forward flow of electricity. This property is what makes inductors useful
and only works with alternating current. Otherwise the magnetic field in the coil is static and
has no affect on the flow of electricity, and is totally useless in the LRC circuits referenced.
Can their properties be affected by an external magnetic field? Depends.
Some inductors have a magnetic core typically made of ferrite or iron. This helps to concentrate
the magnetic field of the coil.
An external magnetic field could affect the core but only if the external field is also
fluctuating (rapidly, at frequencies relevant to the coil's design), and would have to be very
strong. Like, a magnet sitting next to the coil.
The only other way an external magnetic field would affect the coil is if the core is already
very close to magnetic saturation, and a small external magnetic field brings it to saturation. But
circuits using inductors are designed to avoid saturation altogether except in a very few
specialized devices that are specifically relying on that property.
If the coil has no core, an external magnetic field would have no effect unless it was very
powerful.
I don't think the suggested magnetic fields associated with earthquake precursors are expected to
be this strong nor fluctuating rapidly to affect the properties of inductors enough to cause their
circuits to misbehave. I would expect any such fields strong enough to do so would be instantly
detected by the myriad of magnetometers used scientifically or industrially around the globe for
detecting minute changes in local magnetic fields for various purposes. Much less those looking
for minute changes in Earth's global magnetic field. Someone would have noticed these alleged
earthquake related fields already. In fact, seismologists have already looked for them and not
found any. For example, magnetometers were used in the Parkfield Experiment, and elsewhere.
But hey, this is all easily testable. Grab yourself an old transistor radio and take the cover off
the back. The little coils of wire on the circuit board are easily visible. They're usually
covered in wax to help them hold their shape. Wave a magnet around the circuit board and see if it
causes the radio to loose its tuning on your favorite station. I suggest a weak AM station as it
might be more noticeable if anything happens to affect.
Brian
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Date: April 21, 2022 at 18:50:42
From: pamela, [DNS_Address]
Subject: Re: Electronic Stuff Going Haywire -- NorCal |
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5 G whackadoodles? or more solar weirdness? or more
higher quakes? Severe storms incoming? take your pick.
Been getting bunches of Aleutians and very southern
Pacific stuff too with S America.
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