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From: akira, [DNS_Address]
Subject: Poorer voters flocked to Trump — and other data points from election
URL: https://www.ft.com/content/6de668c7-64e9-4196-b2c5-9ceca966fe3f
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Bernie was right. Again. more at link more americans in the lowest income brackets voting republican instead of democrat, for the first time in decades: link Poorer voters flocked to Trump — and other data points from the election FT analysis of this week’s election results paint a dire picture for the Democrats Eva Xiao in New York and Clara Murray, Jonathan Vincent, John Burn-Murdoch and Joel Suss in London NOVEMBER 9 2024 Donald Trump’s win gave Republicans their highest share of the popular vote in two decades — and revealed big shifts in the US electorate, from the Democratic party’s reliance on wealthier, college-educated voters to the power of issues such as immigration. Low turnout by Democrats also hurt Kamala Harris’s chances while support from traditional left-leaning voting groups, such as Hispanic and Black voters, fell. The results also show poorer and less-educated voters now think Republicans best represent them — a reversal from 12 years ago, when Democrat Barack Obama was president. After a deep-dive into the data, here are five takeaways. Democratic support depends on high-income voters Economic realignment has been under way for some time, but hastened in this election. The Democratic party now appears to be the party of high-income voters, not those with low incomes. For the first time in decades, Democrats received more support from Americans in the top third of the income bracket than from poorer groups, according to a Financial Times analysis of voter surveys. In contrast to 2020, the majority of lower-income households or those earning less than $50,000 a year voted for Trump this election. Conversely, those making more than $100,000 voted for Harris, according to exit polls. At the same time, Trump enjoyed enduring support from voters without a college degree, with nearly two-thirds voting for the former president, according to exit polling in 10 states by NBC News. Immigration probably pushed voters to Trump A poll by Gallup before the election found US voters saw immigration as the most important problem facing the country, with 55 per cent saying it was a “critical threat” to the US. Tuesday’s results show just how damaging the issue was for Harris, who Trump blamed for the record high number of border crossings during the Joe Biden administration. Some of the areas that swung furthest to the former president were on the US south-western border, including Hidalgo and Zapata counties in Texas and Santa Cruz County in Arizona. In Texas, Trump managed to flip four counties on the US-Mexico border that had voted for Democratic presidential candidates since the 1970s. Trump captured the suburbs and cities became less Democratic Biden’s victory over Trump in 2020 owed much to the big Democratic turnout in swing-state suburbs, including a blue wave in the majority-white suburbs of Pennsylvania and Georgia, as well as both majority-white and majority-Latino areas in Phoenix and Tucson, Arizona. But on Tuesday, Trump captured more votes than Harris everywhere outside large cities, including suburban areas. In large urban areas, Democrats lost more than 1mn votes compared to 2020, according to an FT analysis of the results. The rural-urban divide has increasingly become an entrenched dimension of US politics, but this election saw a sharp drop in Democratic support in large cities, while rural areas continued to become more red. Hispanic-majority areas swung to Trump Days before the election, comedian Tony Hinchcliffe’s disparaging remarks about Puerto Rico at a Trump rally cast doubt on the Republican candidate’s ability to win over Latino voters. But the results showed Latinos, as well as other non-white voters, are increasingly drawn to Trump. The shift could have lasting implications given Latinos are among the fastest-growing ethnic groups in the US. Even in liberal enclaves such as Philadelphia, the most populous city in the swing state of Pennsylvania, voters swung towards Trump in majority-Hispanic areas, even while Harris won those precincts overall, according to an FT analysis of municipal data. In Texas, some of the largest swings towards Trump also came from majority- Hispanic counties, including Starr County on the US-Mexico border, which has a Hispanic population of more than 96 per cent. Trump even managed to flip Florida’s most populous county, the majority- Hispanic Miami-Dade County, for the first time since 1988. Low turnout among Democrats accentuated the swing towards Trump Not all of the swing towards Trump across the country was attributable to an increase in support for the Republican. While New York swung to Trump by 12 points in 2024, fewer than 190,000 additional people voted for him than in 2020. But 800,000 fewer people voted for Harris than Biden in the state. Illinois and Ohio followed a similar trend. Of the swing states, only in Pennsylvania did Democrats lose more votes than Trump gained. In Wisconsin, Georgia and North Carolina, the party increased their vote count — albeit only by 300 in the North Carolina. Harris’s turnout effort did bear some fruit, with current estimates showing the proportion of the voting-eligible population who voted increased in all but two of the swing states. Additional reporting by Radhika Rukmangadhan in New York and Alan Smith in London |
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From: akira, [DNS_Address]
Subject: The Muslim vote has seen a dramatic shift: once 93% Democrat...
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HalalFlow@halalflow · 5h The Muslim vote has seen a dramatic shift: once 93% Democrat, now only 20%. The Green Party has surged as the new favorite with 53%, while Trump came in second at 21%. |
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From: ryan, [DNS_Address]
Subject: Re: The Muslim vote has seen a dramatic shift: once 93% Democrat...
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From: Redhart, [DNS_Address]
Subject: Re: The Muslim vote has seen a dramatic shift: once 93% Democrat...
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yeah, guess they weren't remembering the Muslim ban or do not think they'll be targeted at some point for denaturalization and removal. I understand the anger about Gaza and the middle east, but think there was a lack of the larger picture here. If are here because they don't like the Taliban and islamic extremism, they're about to meet Ya'll Queda. |
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From: akira, [DNS_Address]
Subject: Politico: Dearborn’s Arab Americans feel vindicated by Harris’ loss
URL: https://www.politico.com/news/2024/11/10/dearborn-vote-kamala-harris-trump-00188618
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"DEARBORN, Michigan — Arab American leaders for months warned Vice President Kamala Harris that she needed to separate herself from President Joe Biden’s support of Israel in the war in Gaza — or face an electoral backlash from this influential community in a key battleground. But those pleas went largely ignored. Instead, Harris made strategic errors that deeply insulted Arab American voters reeling from intense grief as the death toll in the Middle East climbed. She refused to host a Palestinian American onstage at the Democratic National Convention. She curtly shut down protesters at campaign rallies who criticized her solidarity with Biden over the conflict. She dispatched pro-Israel surrogates to Michigan. Now, many Arab American residents in Dearborn “feel like they’ve been redeemed,” said Michael Sareini, Dearborn city council president. “They wanted to send a message and they did.” “This stance on endless wars and killing of innocent women and children has got to end,” he said. In the initial days after the election, as Democrats despaired over the results, Dearborn residents felt unsurprised by President-elect Donald Trump’s resounding win, according to interviews with nearly a dozen Arab American leaders in this densely populated Muslim city just outside Detroit. Adding to their sense that they were right, their protest vote was not limited solely to Arab Americans, who make up a fraction of the U.S. population. Their furor toward the Biden administration over Gaza spilled out onto college campuses across the nation and among progressives of all ages, amounting to the most significant anti-war protest in a generation. “While we dealt with that grief, we became much more politically mature,” said Amer Zahr, a Palestinian American activist. Unofficial results show Trump received the most votes in Dearborn, with 42 percent, while Harris earned 36 percent — a 33 percentage point drop from when Biden won Dearborn in 2020. Green party candidate Jill Stein collected 18 percent. Farah Khan (left) tries to convince Caitlyn Brown to vote for Green Party presidential candidate Jill Stein. Farah Khan (left), co-chair of the Abandon Harris Michigan campaign, tries to convince Caitlyn Brown to vote for Green Party presidential candidate Jill Stein. | David Goldman/AP Zoom into Arab American neighborhoods and you’ll find an even more dramatic crumbling for the vice president. Trump showed up big throughout the Eastern and Southern parts of Dearborn, where a high concentration of the community lives. In one of those precincts, Harris earned only 13 percent while Trump got 51 percent. Multiple Dearborn leaders said that Trump’s social conservatism and isolationist “America First” foreign policy made Arabs more comfortable with backing a Republican after the community fled from the GOP in the aftermath of 9/11. And, for a population that often feels targeted by the justice system, many identified with Trump’s legal woes. MOST READ 2183217287 Many in government are worried about Trump’s return. At DOJ, they’re terrified. Schumer withholds Senate orientation invite from McCormick Trump taps former immigration official Thomas Homan as border czar More Democrats fear the party’s image isn’t just damaged – it’s broken Trump presses next GOP Senate leader to allow ‘recess appointments’ But those leaders emphasized that the dramatic move toward Trump does not mark a permanent realignment with the Republican party for this demographic historically part of the Democratic base but rather an explicit rejection of Biden and Harris. The top of the ticket was the exception: Democrats won Dearborn at every other level of the ballot, from U.S. Rep. Rashida Talib down to state lawmakers and school board members. “They didn’t vote for Trump because they believe Trump is the best candidate,” said Osama Siblani, publisher of the Arab American News. “No, they voted for Trump because they want to punish the Democrats and Harris.” ‘I am speaking now’ When Harris took Biden’s place as the Democratic nominee in July, Arab Americans were hopeful. She had given some indications of a softer stance in the Middle East, and Dearborn residents were optimistic that she may be the president who would stand up against Israel. By that point, the war in Gaza had endured for nine months — and Biden repeatedly refused to order an arms embargo against Israel, despite pleas from the community for an end to the bombardment that according to Gaza health officials has killed more than 40,000 Palestinians. But when Palestinian Americans were denied a speaking slot at the DNC convention a few weeks later, residents in Dearborn started to feel disgruntled. That resentment grew when Harris in August told a pro-Palestinan protester “I am speaking now” — a line that Arab Americans now point to as a difficult moment for Harris to overcome. As the deaths increased in the Middle East — and images of dead bodies were shared widely on social media — the Arab community felt even more pushed aside by the Biden administration. It started to feel, they said, like a betrayal from Harris herself. When Israel launched a ground invasion into Lebanon in October, which they stated was in response to military attacks by Hezbollah, Arab Americans’ rage over the response by the U.S. reached its peak. Opposition to Harris “built up slowly but surely,” as the war continued on, said Abed Hammoud, founder of the Arab American Political Action Committee. A large share of Dearborn’s population comes from South Lebanon, which has been devastated by the military action. Some Michigan residents have seen their entire families overseas killed. “I wake up in the morning, I turn on the news just to see which village was leveled to the ground and who was killed,” said Sam Baydoun, Wayne County commissioner, who emigrated to America from Lebanon when he was 15. “This is the daily routine we have here in Michigan.” A motorist passes a mural painted on the side of a school. A motorist passes a mural painted on the side of a school, in Dearborn, the nation's largest Arab-majority city. | David Goldman/AP In the final weeks of the campaign, the Harris campaign dispatched surrogates to Michigan who deeply offended the Arab community. Bill Clinton, speaking at a rally in late October, said Israelis were in the Holy Land “first.” Residents also grumbled about appearances by New York Rep. Richie Torres, a staunch Israel proponent. Adding to insult, the campaign touted the endorsement of former Vice President Dick Cheney, the mastermind behind the war in Iraq. His daughter, Liz Cheney, who was the former No. 3 Republican in the House and a staunch Trump critic, was featured as part of Harris’ closing message. By that point, Harris’ repeated statements that she wanted to end the war in Gaza and return hostages felt hollow to this community. She had lost them. An opening for Trump The Trump campaign viewed the Arab community’s disdain toward Harris in the waning weeks before the election as an opportunity. Residents were inundated with anti-Harris texts and mailers, which “played big” among voters, said Ali Jawad, founder of the Lebanese American Heritage Club. Then Trump paid a visit to Dearborn four days before the election. He stood in a restaurant surrounded by a crowd of Arab Americans and declared that under his presidency, “we’re going to have peace in the Middle East — but not with the clowns that you have running the U.S. right now.” Harris never personally visited Dearborn. Campaign staff and surrogates went in her place instead. “The Democrats did this,” Zahr said. “They created a situation where Donald Trump was walking around our city, putting his feet up, shaking hands, kissing babies and Harris didn’t even enter our community. She was afraid.” Arabs in Dearborn were united in anguish but deeply divided on how to express it politically. Factions emerged. Conversations among themselves grew tense. The main PAC representing Arab American interests not only declined to make a presidential endorsement but urged residents not to vote for Harris or Trump. Some residents decided to skip voting in the presidential race entirely. There was a split among the area’s mayors. Dearborn Mayor Abdullah Hammoud emerged as a strong ally of the uncommitted movement, the Michigan-born coalition that galvanized antiwar sentiment on college campuses. Election results revealed that some big liberal college counties seemed to underperform for the Democratic ticket by at least a point. The flag of Turkey hangs as workers take a break from the dinner shift. The flag of Turkey hangs as workers take a break from the dinner shift in Dearborn. | David Goldman/AP Hammoud refused to meet with Trump when he was in Dearborn, based on his disagreement with the former president’s enactment of the Muslim ban and arming of Saudi Arabia. But he also declined to endorse Harris. The mayors in two neighboring cities with similarly large Arab populations, Dearborn Heights and Hamtramck, stumped for Trump throughout Michigan. Dearborn Heights Mayor Bill Bazzi even appeared at Trump’s final campaign rally held in Grand Rapids in the hours before Election Day. But Trump’s record — like the Muslim ban and his promises to deport millions of immigrants — was enough for some to push aside their misgivings for Harris, like for political organizer Ismael Ahmed, who said he “held my nose and voted for her.” Yet in the end, Trump “was able to say some things that made them think maybe he’s really on our side,” Ahmed said. “Or maybe he’ll fix the economy in a way that no one else will. And it worked.”" |
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From: ryan, [DNS_Address]
Subject: Re: Politico: Dearborn’s Arab Americans feel vindicated by Harris’...
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From: ryan, [DNS_Address]
Subject: Re: Poorer voters flocked to Trump — and other data points from...
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From: akira, [DNS_Address]
Subject: what did Kamala offer the poor?
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a commitment to affordable health care? a living minimum wage, say $15 an hour? increasing investment in public education? Did she promise to confront the problem of corporate price gouging, which you bopp claimed to be the cause of absurd inflation of food prices? broccoli was $3.98 a lb at my local monopolistic supermarket this week and no, it wasn't organic. She offered American Liz fucking Cheney. And they said no thanks. |
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From: ryan, [DNS_Address]
Subject: Re: what did Kamala offer the poor?
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From: akira, [DNS_Address]
Subject: Re: Poorer voters flocked to Trump — and other data points from...
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instead of reacting, why not ask why this happened? If the DNC doesn't start doing that they're going to continue LOOSING. |
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From: mitra, [DNS_Address]
Subject: Re: Poorer voters flocked to Trump — and other data points from...
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Both are correct. Dumbasses that voted *against their own interests!* and a party that does not listen. |
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