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Date: November 06, 2024 at 20:17:46
From: old timer, [DNS_Address]
Subject: Dems rage against Biden’s ‘arrogance’ after Harris loss |
URL: Dems rage against Biden’s ‘arrogance’ after Harris loss |
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travel day to see my newest grandchild today! a baby is the ultimate sign
of hope!
i’m sure we will see many of these articles trying to diagnose what
happened. lots of blame to go around, but the bottom line is polls
consistently showed the majority of the people thought the country was
headed in the wrong direction. think i heard 70% mentioned, people have
been struggling and people who are struggling don’t like to constantly be
told how good the economy is
this wasn’t new, biden’s approval rating has long been in the toilet and the
biggest complaint was the economy. why the dnc didn’t allow a primary is
a mystery considering his age and low approval rating. and i’ve read many
political analysts saying after biden stepped aside there should have been
a mini primary or at least an open convention. the dnc should have allowed
the people to pick their presidential candidate
lots of other mistakes such as spending most of the time talking about
trump but the people of this country just weren’t happy with the way
things have been run the last 4 years
hopefully this landslide victory will cause some to pause and consider why
the majority of this country didn’t see things the way you do
Dems rage against Biden’s ‘arrogance’ after Harris loss
Democratic leaders had hoped Harris could separate herself from Biden’s
deficiencies.
Joe Biden arrives on Air Force One.
Fresh anger at President Joe Biden came as Democrats devolved into a
round of recriminations following Tuesday’s decisive loss to Donald
Trump. | Manuel Balce Ceneta/AP
By ADAM CANCRYN
11/06/2024 07:37 PM EST
Democrats are directing their rage over losing the presidential race at Joe
Biden, who they blame for setting up Kamala Harris for failure by not
dropping out sooner.
They say his advancing age, questions over his mental acuity and deep
unpopularity put Democrats at a sharp disadvantage. They are livid that
they were forced to embrace a candidate who voters had made clear they
did not want — and then stayed in the race long after it was clear he
couldn’t win.
“He shouldn’t have run,” said Jim Manley, a top aide to former Senate
Majority Leader Harry Reid. “This is no time to pull punches or be
concerned about anyone’s feelings. He and his staff have done an
enormous amount of damage to this country.”
According to interviews with nearly a dozen officials and party operatives,
Biden squandered valuable months only to end in disaster on the debate
stage. And by the time he decided to pass the torch, he had saddled
Harris with too many challenges and far too little time to build a winning
case for herself.
Harris concedes: 'We must accept the results of this election'
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The fresh anger at Biden came as Democrats devolved into a round of
recriminations following Tuesday’s decisive loss to Donald Trump, with
officials struggling to explain why a majority of the electorate voted
Republican for the first time in 20 years.
Democratic leaders had hoped Harris could separate herself from Biden’s
deficiencies after taking over the nomination with just 107 days to the
election. The candidate switch in July generated a fresh surge of
enthusiasm with voters and appeared to instantly reset the race,
bolstering the theory that she could eke out a win against an opponent as
divisive as Trump.
But any gains Harris made during her abridged campaign were swamped
on Tuesday by the enduring backlash against the Biden administration
over inflation and cost-of-living concerns — and a president who proved
incapable of selling the electorate on his accomplishments and whose
apparent overconfidence kept him in the campaign despite growing signs
that he wasn’t up for the job.
“She ran an extraordinary campaign with a very tough hand that was
handed to her,” Mark Longabaugh, a Democratic strategist and former
adviser to Sen. Bernie Sanders (I-Vt.), said of Harris. “The truth of the
matter is, Biden should have stepped aside earlier and let the party put
together a longer game plan.”
The loss, said supporters and critics alike, will put a lasting dent in a
legacy that Biden built steadily over more than a half-century in politics,
culminating in what he envisioned would be a resounding defeat of Trump
and his divisive brand of politics. Instead, Biden’s presidency will now be
inextricably linked with Trump’s return to the Oval Office and his
legislative accomplishments risk getting undercut by his successor. It’s in
part a consequence, some Democrats concluded, of Biden letting pride
and ego cloud the sharp political judgment that had aided his long ascent
to the White House.
“There was a Biden weariness,” James Zogby, a three-decade veteran of
the Democratic National Committee, said of the shift among the
electorate in recent years. “And he hung on too long.”
Highlights: Trump's victory speech, in 180 seconds
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Biden on Wednesday afternoon phoned Trump to congratulate him on the
victory and praised Harris in a statement, saying that “under
extraordinary circumstances, she stepped up and led a historic
campaign.” He plans to make his first public remarks on the election in a
national address on Thursday.
Inside a somber White House, aides still processing the results bristled at
the second-guessing of Biden’s decision to run for reelection, pointing to
the legislative record he’d racked up in his first two years and better-
than-expected midterm results that suggested Democrats had political
momentum. There were similarly few immediate regrets over Biden’s
decision to drop out and endorse Harris, short-circuiting the potential for
a messy fight to replace him.
Instead, aides and allies contended, Tuesday’s defeat was so
comprehensive it’s unclear any Democrat could’ve won under such
circumstances. The anti-incumbency anger ignited by inflation that had
swept across Europe in recent years finally arrived in the U.S. And as
working-class voters shifted decisively toward Trump, they expressed
doubt Harris could’ve cobbled together a workable coalition even if she’d
had more time to campaign.
“People, for whatever reason, feel it was better four years ago — and I
don’t think we could fight that,” said one longtime Democratic operative,
pointing to the growing percentage of Latinos and Black voters who
flipped to Trump. “We just have a bad brand right now.”
Marty Walsh, Biden’s former Labor secretary, acknowledged in an
interview that the administration’s messaging too often “just didn’t
resonate with people.” But he warned that those shortcomings were not
tied to Biden or any other candidate; rather, the party as a whole hasn’t
figured out how to effectively reach and educate voters.
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“It’s not a pointing fingers day. It’s a reflection day,” he said.
Much as she did during the campaign, perhaps to her detriment, Harris
has also declined to criticize Biden in public or private, telling confidants
that she gave it her best, but that it ultimately wasn’t enough, according
to a person familiar with the matter who was granted anonymity to
describe the conversations.
Still, Biden has become a central target in the intensifying debate among
Democrats over what went wrong.
Several Democrats pointed to the administration’s handling of a spike in
inflation as a key misstep. The White House initially dismissed it as a
temporary phenomenon, and it took months for Biden to grasp the impact
it was having on the electorate. The episode cost them credibility with
voters and overshadowed the economic strides being made elsewhere.
“They didn’t jump on it fast enough,” said Mike Lux, a Democratic
strategist and co-founder of Democracy Partners, who defended Biden’s
record but lamented that it never took hold with working-class voters. “It
was really hurting people, and we just didn’t respond in the way that we
could have and should have on policy, to an extent, but definitely on
communications.”
But beyond the policy turning points, critics faulted the president and his
close advisers for badly misreading Democrats’ 2020 victory as driven by
a groundswell of support for Biden himself — rather than a temporary
expression of dissatisfaction over the pandemic and an unpopular
incumbent in Trump.
Biden, who had at one point in the 2020 campaign pledged to be a
“bridge” candidate to a new generation, later based his run for reelection
on the belief that only he could defeat Trump — even as he showed clear
signs that, at 81, he was not the dynamic candidate of even four years
ago. In polling dating back to 2023, more than three-quarters of
Americans believed Biden was too old for office.
“They failed to see his inability to step up his game,” Zogby said of
Biden’s top aides. “There was this sense that there was nobody out there
who could do it.”
The decision froze several would-be successors in place, linking the party
to a candidate who his advisers insisted would gain momentum as the
race progressed. And despite mounting worries among Democrats about
Biden’s effectiveness, it took until June’s catastrophic debate for those
concerns to go public. Even then, Biden spent nearly a month trying to
salvage his run before dropping out — leaving little time for Democrats to
audition new candidates.
“It would have been better if we had had a primary, even if Harris was the
eventual victor,” said Rep. Seth Moulton (D-Mass.), one of the first
congressional Democrats to publicly call for Biden to step aside after the
debate. “And it was necessary for the Democratic nominee to separate
him or herself from an unpopular incumbent, as much as we love Joe
Biden. None of those things happened.”
Instead, Harris inherited the race with just over three months to go, forced
to rely on Biden’s campaign infrastructure while developing her own
presidential platform on the fly.
Biden, to his credit, took an immediate back seat as Harris tried to
establish her identity as a candidate and make up ground to Trump, the
president’s critics said. But by that point it was too late — both for his
reputation and the fortunes of the Democratic Party.
“He’s a good man who can be proud of his accomplishments. But his
legacy is in tatters,” Manley said. “The country is headed in a very
dangerous direction and it’s due in part to his arrogance.”
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Date: November 06, 2024 at 20:19:41
From: ryan, [DNS_Address]
Subject: Re: Dems rage against Biden’s ‘arrogance’ after Harris loss |
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most blame falls on the idiots that voted for rump...
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Date: November 07, 2024 at 09:13:42
From: Redhart, [DNS_Address]
Subject: Re: Dems rage against Biden’s ‘arrogance’ after Harris loss |
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agreed.
btw, where did all those people go vowing to not
certify, screaming the election was rigged even before
it started and all those cases of alleged fraud?
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Date: November 07, 2024 at 08:02:30
From: mitra, [DNS_Address]
Subject: Re: Dems rage against Biden’s ‘arrogance’ after Harris loss |
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"idiot" is such a nice term considering the act.
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Date: November 06, 2024 at 22:23:39
From: old timer, [DNS_Address]
Subject: Re: Dems rage against Biden’s ‘arrogance’ after Harris loss |
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that’s not what i read. political people are talking about why people across
ethic groups, age groups, gender and working class people who voted for
biden in 2020 didn’t vote for kamala. and the answer is pretty simple,
people don’t think the country is headed in the right direction. that
answer has been out there for a long time. and democrats ran the
president with historically low approval rating and when he crashed and
burned replaced him with the vp with an even lower approval rating. how
was that ever going to work out?
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Date: November 07, 2024 at 09:17:02
From: Redhart, [DNS_Address]
Subject: Re: Dems rage against Biden’s ‘arrogance’ after Harris loss |
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don't stroke yourself too much. I also saw some of these
people interviewed, "What? Biden dropped out? When did
this happen?"
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Date: November 07, 2024 at 05:50:24
From: akira, [DNS_Address]
Subject: Kamala Harris got less support from Black voters than Biden in 2020... |
URL: https://www.yahoo.com/news/kamala-harris-got-less-support-171514440.html |
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Kamala Harris got less support from Black voters than Biden in 2020, polls show
Joey Garrison, USA TODAY
November 6, 2024
excerpt:
"The Democratic presidential nominee instead struggled to explain what she
would do differently from President Joe Biden. “Not a thing that comes to mind,”
Harris, the incumbent vice president, told the hosts.
After President-elect Donald Trump’s lopsided election victory over Harris, that
television moment underscored a fatal flaw of Harris’ campaign that doomed her
election bid – an inability to separate herself from an unpopular president whose
approval ratings have hovered around 40% for most of his four years in the White
House.
David Axelrod, former longtime adviser to Barack Obama, called the exchange −
which became a Trump ad − “disastrous” for Harris as he recapped the election
outcome on CNN early Wednesday. “There’s no doubt about it. The question is:
What motivated it?”
In poll after poll, Americans for months overwhelmingly said they believed the
country was headed in the wrong direction.""
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Date: November 07, 2024 at 20:15:19
From: old timer, [DNS_Address]
Subject: Re: Kamala Harris got less support from Black voters than Biden in... |
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“In poll after poll, Americans for months overwhelmingly said they
believed the country was headed in the wrong direction.”
yup, that fact has been out there but even today some are in denial that
people felt this way
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Date: November 07, 2024 at 08:05:37
From: mitra, [DNS_Address]
Subject: Re: Kamala Harris got less support from men. Misogyny, baby. |
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Similar percentage from Hispanics , white men etc.
Oft heard phrase "not ready for a woman president."
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Date: November 07, 2024 at 03:49:11
From: akira, [DNS_Address]
Subject: Why did so many Latino & Hispanic voters help return Trump to Power? |
URL: https://theconversation.com/why-did-so-many-latino-and-hispanic-voters-help-return-donald-trump-to-power-243048 |
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Why did so many Latino and Hispanic voters help return Donald Trump to power?
November 6, 2024
Luis Gómez Romero
Senior Lecturer in Human Rights, Constitutional Law and Legal Theory, University
of Wollongong
Voters from Latino (immigrants from Latin America and their descendants) and
Hispanic (people whose heritage is from Spanish-speaking countries)
backgrounds contributed significantly to Donald Trump’s resounding victory over
Kamala Harris in the US presidential election.
Overall, Trump increased his share of the Latino vote to 45% nationwide, up
substantially from 32% in his 2020 loss to Joe Biden.
About 53% of the voters in this group supported Harris, down from the estimated
60% who voted for Biden in 2020. The shift is an outstanding political feat for the
Republican candidate, especially considering Trump’s uneasy and frequently
antagonistic relationship with Latino and Hispanic communities.
So why did so many Latino and Hispanic voters back Trump?
Nightmares and dreams
It might seem illogical that Trump strengthened his backing among Latino and
Hispanic voters, given his anti-immigrant rhetoric and policies, his threat to enact
mass deportations of illegal immigrants, and his frequently blatant racist remarks.
Politics, however, is not a realm of pure reason. Emotion and narrative play a role,
too.
Trump’s surge among Latino and Hispanic voters can be traced back to
nightmares and dreams never far from voters’ minds.
Many of these voters left the nightmare of poverty behind in their countries of
origin. Their dreams are rooted in traditional (mainly masculine) stories about
prosperity in the “land of the free”.
‘Love’, insults and slander
Trump has boasted about how much he “loves” Latinos and Hispanics. His
actions, however, mostly disprove his words.
When Trump launched his first presidential campaign in 2015, he called
Mexicans “rapists” who were “bringing drugs” and “crime” into the US.
He claimed this problem was “coming from all over South and Latin America”.
He also promised to build “a great, great wall” on the US southern border, for
which Mexico was meant to pay, to stop undocumented immigrants.
In the third and last 2016 presidential debate, he labelled Latino and Hispanic
men, without any nuance or evidence, as “bad hombres” who constantly smuggle
drugs into the US.
During his first term in office, the Trump administration then implemented policies
that specifically hurt Latino and Hispanic communities.
These included a “zero tolerance” illegal immigration approach, which separated
parents from their children.
In November 2023, he argued this served as an effective deterrent,
foreshadowing that this policy may return if he was re-elected.
In his 2024 campaign, Trump claimed immigrants were “poisoning the blood” of
the US.
He again vowed to crack down on immigration, promising mass deportations of
some 11 million undocumented people.
At a Trump rally a week ago, comedian Tony Hinchcliffe then likened Puerto Rico
to a “floating island of garbage.” Trump told ABC News he had not heard the
remark and stopped short of denouncing it.
The rainbow of Latino and Hispanic pluralism
Why would Latino and Hispanic voters support a candidate who so candidly has
shown his contempt for them?
A recent Siena poll for the New York Times provides some clues.
Over 40% among these Latino and Hispanic voters supported both Trump’s
pledge to continue building a wall along the Mexico border and his deportation
plans.
About 63% said they do not “feel like he is talking about me” when Trump
discusses immigration.
A sign for Donald Trump is seen at a polling station on Election Day in Scottsdale,
Arizona
Many Latino and Hispanic voters do not ‘feel like he is talking about me’ when
Trump discusses immigration. EPA/ALLISON DINNER
Latino and Hispanic voters are frequently clustered as a distinct ethnic and
cultural group in US political surveys.
They are contrasted, for example, against “white”, “Black” or “Asian” voters.
Latinos and Hispanics, however, are diverse in national origin, class, ethnic and
gender characteristics. They are not a monolith, but rather a rainbow.
There were 62.5 million Latinos and Hispanics living in the US in 2021, about
19% of the total population.
An estimated 36.2 million were eligible to vote this year, representing 15% of
potential voters.
Latinos and Hispanics also make up a large share of voters in swing states such
as Nevada, Arizona and Pennsylvania.
Their wide variety of backgrounds, however, underscores why grouping them as a
uniform bloc is flawed.
In 2021, the five largest populations in the US by national origin were:
Mexicans (37.2 million)
Puerto Ricans (5.8 million)
Salvadorans (2.5 million)
Dominicans (2.4 million)
Cubans (2.4 million).
The experience of immigration and life in the US is different for each of these
groups. Their response to the political campaigns would also be different.
The myth of ‘Comrade Kamala’
It’s too early to say for sure what drove voter patterns in each community. But we
can venture a few hypotheses.
Trump, for example, falsely portrayed Harris as a committed communist, such as
in this post on X (which garnered over 81 million views):
For Latino immigrants coming from countries under authoritarian regimes, such
as Cuba, Venezuela and Nicaragua, this messaging recalls memories of the
situation they fled.
“I will deliver the best future for Puerto Ricans and Hispanic Americans. Kamala
will deliver you poverty and crime,” Trump told his supporters at a recent rally.
Playing on the fears of a “communist” system under Harris was likely a successful
strategy. The leftist regimes in many Latinos’ countries of origin are seen as a
threat to their economic security.
Kamala, ‘evil woman’
Gender also played a major role in Trump’s victory. Trump appealed to young men,
who fear women’s gains in equality. Latino and Hispanic men were no exception.
A viral campaign video showed Trump dancing to the famous salsa theme
“Juliana”. The lyrics were modified though, simply describing Harris as “mala”
(evil).
A September NBC poll showed a vast gender gap between Trump and Harris
voters. While women backed the Democrats 58% to 37%, men supported
Republicans 52% to 40%.
This played out specifically among Latinos in the election, too. According to exit
polls by the Associated Press, 47% of Latino men supported Trump in the
election, compared to 38% of Latino women.
Trump tapped into ideals of masculinity and hierarchy that, while not exclusive to
Latino and Hispanic men, uphold the promise of a return to traditional gender
models.
Many men are angry about losing their former privileges. They expressed their
nostalgia for stereotypical male traits (and corresponding female submission) in
the polls.
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Date: November 07, 2024 at 10:46:01
From: ryan, [DNS_Address]
Subject: Re: Why did so many Latino & Hispanic voters help return Trump to... |
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wonder if they'll rue their vote when they get rounded up and deported...
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Date: November 07, 2024 at 10:55:51
From: Redhart, [DNS_Address]
Subject: Re: Why did so many Latino & Hispanic voters help return Trump to... |
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Some of them consider themselves white. Human beings
are human beings to me, but their new administration
may disagree. Some are natural citizens, too..been here
many generations. They are small business owners and
may consider themselves part of the business class.
I really don't think they understand how an ice agent,
or deputized police under border control, or a national
guardsmen sent to help, will see them.
We're advising that these citizens may have to be sure
to carry birth certificates or passports if they have
them, to protect themselves in the upcoming melee of
roundups.
There may be vigilantes, too. Like the story I shared
about a person in my town of latino heritage, but was
actually a natural citizen, who got punched at a local
gas station by a maga and told to "go back where they
came from".
These assholes will feel they have a God mandated
mission now.
We saw the vigilantism during Trump's last term with
groups of militia running trucks off the highways and
searched looking for traffickers, or setting up at the
boarder like it was a tail-gate party with all their
guns and God given right to shoot anything they deemed
a wetback.
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Date: November 08, 2024 at 07:39:17
From: akira, [DNS_Address]
Subject: Re: Why did so many Latino & Hispanic voters help return Trump to... |
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low information voters...all of them
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Date: November 07, 2024 at 11:02:04
From: ryan, [DNS_Address]
Subject: Re: Why did so many Latino & Hispanic voters help return Trump to... |
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i think they also think, hey i'm in...i don't want some other immigrant screwing things up for me...plus that latin macho thing...rump probably has some deals with the cartels too...
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Date: November 07, 2024 at 03:42:00
From: akira, [DNS_Address]
Subject: Record voter gains among Latinos for Trump mainly boiled down to ... |
URL: https://www.nbcnews.com/news/latino/trump-economy-latino-vote-2024-election-rcna178951 |
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Record voter gains among Latinos for Trump mainly boiled down to their top issue
— the economy
"Vice President Kamala Harris won a slim majority of votes cast by Latinos, but
Trump bested a high set by George W. Bush.
Latino voters took a big right turn in an election dominated by voter outrage over
the high cost of food and housing, helping Donald Trump secure a second term in
the White House.
Vice President Kamala Harris finished with a slim majority of support from
Hispanic voters, at 53%, while Trump vacuumed up about 45% of the vote, a 13-
point increase from 2020 and a record high for a Republican presidential
nominee, according to NBC News exit polls.
Trump’s Hispanic vote percentage beat the previous record, set by George W.
Bush's in 2004, when Bush won as much as 44% of the Hispanic vote. But in
2012, the vote swung heavily left, with 71% of Hispanics voting for President
Barack Obama, followed by lower but still significant support for Hilary Clinton in
2016, at about 66%, and then joe Biden in 2020, at 65%.
Harris underperformed Biden with Hispanic voters in every battleground state,
with the exception of Wisconsin, according to NBC News exit polls. Her worst
showings were in Michigan, where her 35% share dropped from Biden's 59%,
and in Pennsylvania, where her share of 57% was well below Biden's 78%. She
also underperformed Biden in Texas and Florida by double digits.
From the beginning of the election to its final days, Latino voters in interviews and
polls consistently named the economy, inflation or higher costs as their No. 1
issue and gave Trump the advantage on them.
Pennsylvania voter Regino Cruz, 25, said Tuesday that he voted for Trump,
believing the former president could improve the economy.
“For me, it’s work. It’s the economy. It’s groceries,” said Cruz, who's of Puerto
Rican descent and was waiting to vote at the John B. Stetson Middle School in
Northern Philadelphia.
Cruz said he wasn’t fazed by recent comments a comedian made at a Trump rally
calling Puerto Rico a "floating island of garbage, and added he didn’t trust that
Harris “can fix the economy.”
While inflation hit a 9.1% pandemic-era peak in 2022, in September it had hit its
lowest level since February 2021.
'The numbers were there'
In a September NBC News/Telemundo/CNBC poll, 34% of Latinos ranked the
cost of living as the most important issue, followed by jobs and the economy at
20%. In that poll, the preference was Harris 54%, Trump 40%.
Trump’s gains among Latino voters included historic wins in places such as Starr
County, Texas — a border county that had voted Democratic for 100 years – and
in Miami-Dade, Florida, which went red for the first time in more than 30 years.
Trump's showing also boosted outcomes for Latino Republicans. Sen. Ted Cruz of
Texas won Latino voters by 6 points, compared with 2018 when he lost Hispanic
voters by 29 points, according to NBC News exit polls.
In the battleground state of Pennsylvania, 4 in 10 Latino voters supported Trump,
up from 3 in 10 in 2020."
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Date: November 06, 2024 at 23:49:58
From: mr bopp, [DNS_Address]
Subject: Re: Dems rage against Biden’s ‘arrogance’ after Harris loss |
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nobody cares what you think...you got what you wanted...give thanks...if you want to continue to be here, tread lightly with your bs...i don't need to hear it anymore...
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