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From: old timer, [DNS_Address]
Subject: The Clock Is Ticking on Kamala Harris
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just odd she wants to spend all her time talking about trump The Clock Is Ticking on Kamala Harris The vice president’s tour with Liz Cheney focused on Trump’s outrageous conduct rather than Harris’ willingness to work with Republicans. By Jonathan Martin 10/22/2024 02:00 PM EDT Jonathan Martin is POLITICO’s senior political columnist and politics bureau chief. He’s covered elections in every corner of America and co- authored a best-selling book about Donald Trump and Joe Biden. His reported column chronicles the inside conversations and major trends shaping U.S. politics. BROOKFIELD, Wisconsin — Vice President Kamala Harris and former Wyoming Rep. Liz Cheney descended on the crucial Milwaukee suburbs Monday night and, sitting side by side, delivered compelling political sermons. The problem was they were preaching to the converted. The event was explicitly aimed at those moderates and onetime Republicans who remain up for grabs, and may decide the election, but the rhetoric seemed better suited for those in the audience wearing “The Lincoln Project” and “,LA” t-shirts. The political odd couple criticized former President Donald Trump’s lack of decency, his disregard for the Constitution and rule of law, and asked those in attendance to imagine him without guardrails. Our allies abroad, they said, were nervous. And, of course, there was a detailed recounting of what Trump did (and didn’t do) on January 6. Those are all profoundly serious issues and are part of the reason why the race, in an otherwise turbulent year for Democrats, remains competitive. But reams of voting results and research indicate those issues long ago pushed so many people away from Trump’s GOP. They are not what animates that small number of people who remain undecided in the second-to-last week of October. What new voters are being won with denunciations of Donald Trump’s character? The discussion here was backward-looking and Trump-focused. It was, in short, all about yesterday and him rather than tomorrow and her. And not for a lack of opportunity. The evening’s moderator, Wisconsin conservative talk show host turned anti-Trump writer Charlie Sykes, opened with the political equivalent of a fastball down the middle of the plate. Perched beneath a “Country Over Party sign,” Sykes asked Harris for her pitch to the voter who supported Republicans from yesteryear but are uneasy now about casting a ballot for a Democrat. The vice president began by citing “the lived experience” of most Americans — sounding more like a graduate student from down the road in Madison than most Americans — of having much in common. She repeated a line from her stump speech about how Americans “love our country” before praising democracy, the rule of law and the Constitution. Then, making a little progress, she invoked her service on the Senate Intelligence Committee, where lawmakers from both parties put aside partisanship to focus on protecting the “security and well- being” of all Americans. That, Harris concluded, “is at stake.” That was it. Harris said nothing specific about how she’d govern, mentioned no looming issue on which she’d work with Republicans and offered no reassurances about leading the country from the political center. And, of course, there was no critique of her own party or even an expression of sympathy or understanding about why voting for a liberal could be difficult for a longtime conservative. There wasn’t even a reference to her previous commitments to include a Republican in the Cabinet or create a bipartisan council of advisers. And this was in response to the opening question from a pre-selected moderator who is supporting her campaign! Harris and Cheney talk 'consequences' of Trump presidency SharePlay Video It’s not for a lack of effort to push her, and I don’t just mean from wise- guy columnists. There are people eager for her to win, and even more eager to see Trump defeated, nudging her and her campaign to go further. Merely condemning the former president and celebrating what unites Americans isn’t enough. Yet Harris just can’t seem to go beyond that, to sketch out what her version of Washington in 2025 would look like. That reluctance is confounding Democrats, who hear the echoes of Hillary Clinton’s campaign in Harris’ focus on Trump’s character. “You picking up 2016 vibes?” one Democratic lawmaker texted, without prompting on Tuesday. I grasp the delicacies involved. Democrats have always been a coalition party, a patchwork of constituencies. That coalition has grown more cacophonous in the Trump era, as the party has stretched from socialists to, quite literally, the Cheney family. However, successful modern Democrats have always found a way to reassure the vital center while retaining their liberal base. And the determination bordering on desperation across the coalition to beat Trump offers Harris more latitude than most of her Democratic forbearers. That’s why she was with Cheney in the first place. The former congressperson invoked the rule of law and Constitution before quickly turning to Trump’s “cruelty” as he watched the attack on the Capitol unfold. The former president, she said, is “a man who’s unfit to be the president of this good and honorable and great nation.” Millions agree, which is why Trump has never come close to a majority in his previous two elections. But what more evidence is required from those two elections that litigating Trump’s character and fitness is insufficient? Cheney then gently tried to make a case for Harris, telling the audience the vice president would uphold the rule of law, lead with “a sincere heart” and do what is best for America. “We might not agree on every issue but she is somebody that you can trust and that our children can look up to,” Cheney said. Which is about as far as she may feel comfortable going in discussing how Harris would govern. After all, the two barely know each other. The onus is on the vice president to reassure voters. And, remarkably at this late date, she remains reluctant to tell fence- sitters what they want to hear: not that Trump is a bad man, but that she’s not going to steer America to the left. There were other opportunities here. Another self-declared, lifelong Republican in the audience pined for the days of Ronald Reagan and former Speaker Tip O’Neill and asked the women what they could offer “people like me” in the final weeks of the race. Something, this voter said, he could “take with me.” Cheney said Trump wasn’t worthy of the sacrifice American troops have made and represented a betrayal of the Founding Fathers’ vision. Her applause line, though, came when the former congressperson said: “If you wouldn’t hire somebody to babysit your kids, you shouldn’t make that guy President of the United States.” The crowd loved it, but those people clapping already have a name. They’re called Harris voters. The vice president then said America is ambitious and optimistic, repeated one of her go-to lines that a leader isn’t somebody who beats people down but lifts them up and said Trump “has no plans to invest in our future.” Again, this was in response to a direct plea for something a voter could take with him. There were two other, similar events Monday featuring the two women in suburban Philadelphia and Detroit, where Cheney shrewdly reminded voters that they could “vote their conscience and not ever have to say a word to anybody.” But will anything else from the sessions break through? Since her strong convention speech and superb debate performance, Harris has run out of what her campaign calls tentpole moments. She now needs to drive news in other ways. Appearing with Cheney is a way to do that, but it’s of limited utility if that’s the beginning and end of the messaging. This remains a winnable race for Harris, but she’s getting hammered in television ads for being a liberal thanks to the far-left stances she took in her ill-fated presidential bid. If she says nothing to contradict that onslaught, voters will believe it. No matter how much she says Donald Trump is a bad man. The clock is ticking. |
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From: akira, [DNS_Address]
Subject: Re: The Clock Is Ticking on Kamala Harris
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"The vice president’s tour with Liz Cheney focused on Trump’s outrageous conduct rather than Harris’ willingness to work with Republicans." Harris is touring with Liz Cheney. Isn't it obvious enough she's willing to work with Republicans? You'll criticize Harris for that, but say nothing about Trump's actual outrageous conduct, such as calling Harris a shit vp, etc... |
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From: old timer, [DNS_Address]
Subject: Re: The Clock Is Ticking on Kamala Harris
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the point of the article was that the clock is ticking and kamala is preaching to the converted by attacking trump and that just doesn’t win new votes. didn’t hear he said she was a shit vp, but considering her vp approval ratings were lower than biden’s she certainly wasn’t well thought of by the people. and there are lingering concerns about her long coverup of biden’s condition and she really didn’t make the list of biden replacements until things got sticky after the primaries were already complete and biden was exposed in the debate |
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From: Redhart, [DNS_Address]
Subject: Re: The Clock Is Ticking on Kamala Harris
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Maybe people would stop attacking Trump if he stopped making himself a large, neon target and wrote "Attack me!" all over it? seriously? "enemy within" and "arnold palmer's penis"? "Putin's a great guy"? Why would you NOT expect to respond to things like that? That is unrealistic. He's not normal, or well. |
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From: ryan, [DNS_Address]
Subject: Re: The Clock Is Ticking on Kamala Harris
| seems like she's trying to convince on the fence repugs that rump is a loser...and now your going back to your bs stuff about biden? lol... |
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From: old timer, [DNS_Address]
Subject: Re: The Clock Is Ticking on Kamala Harris
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no shit sherlock, but as the article said “What new voters are being won with denunciations of Donald Trump’s character?” obviously not many at this late date and you don’t think the coverup of biden’s condition is going away do you? never in american history has a president been forced out after the primaries there are questions for those who assured the public he was still fit serve another 4 years |
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From: Redhart, [DNS_Address]
Subject: Re: The Clock Is Ticking on Kamala Harris
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You're "Don't look at him, look at her (or anything else)" attempts at arm waving others away from some of the most demented behavior on Trump's part, is really fascinating. lol |
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From: akira, [DNS_Address]
Subject: but then you believe Trump is fit to serve
| When many in his inner circle say he isn't (but he's running anyway) |
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From: old timer, [DNS_Address]
Subject: Re: yup (NT)
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From: ryan, [DNS_Address]
Subject: Re: The Clock Is Ticking on Kamala Harris
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obviously not...hence wooing the fence sitters... and the biden thing is already ancient history... |
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From: akira, [DNS_Address]
Subject: Re: The Clock Is Ticking on Kamala Harris
URL: Trump calls Harris a ‘shit vice president’ and mentions Arnold Palmer’s genitals in bizarre rally
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just curious, have you been watching or listening at all to what Trump has been saying over the past few weeks (at least) in his campaign speeches? because I don't know how anyone could and still believe he has the mental & emotional stability to be president of anything. |
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From: old timer, [DNS_Address]
Subject: Re: The Clock Is Ticking on Kamala Harris
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yup, never liked trump anyway and i don’t find it surprising. still it is odd there is so little talk about kamala and the things she will do if elected even from kamala herself |
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From: akira, [DNS_Address]
Subject: still curious...
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"so little talk about kamala and the things she will do if elected even from kamala herself" Is that your reasoning for supporting Trump? Because you don't know what Kamala's agenda & plans are? |
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From: old topic, [DNS_Address]
Subject: Re: no, that comment was on the article, on topic(NT)
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From: old timer, [DNS_Address]
Subject: Re: The Clock Is Ticking on Kamala Harris
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as the article discussed in detail the anyone but trump vote is already for kamala but she is talking more about him than about how she will run the country if elected. this is an election and she is saying things her base loves but those few undecided voters are looking for something about how she will run things and she can’t talk about anything other than trump |
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From: ao, [DNS_Address]
Subject: Re: The Clock Is Ticking on Kamala Harris
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"she is talking more about him than about how she will run the country" That's not what I hear. I hear Kamala laying it all out there.. way more than Trump ever did/does. She's talked policy until we're all very clear what's happening here.. And you know what's happening? Anyone saying she ain't talking details has their head too far up their ass to hear it. Simple as that OT |
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From: Redhart, [DNS_Address]
Subject: Re: The Clock Is Ticking on Kamala Harris
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Yeah, I've watched many of her interviews and I hear her talking about her policies. I really like the medicare at-home-help plan for seniors. I like a lot of her policies and think they'll be a helluva lot better than talking about Arnold Palmer's penis size. wtf is wrong with Trump? I take that back..the question is, is there anything not wrong with Trump? |
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From: old timer, [DNS_Address]
Subject: Re: The Clock Is Ticking on Kamala Harris
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very interesting you feel that way. that’s not the way her 60 minutes or fox interviews went and the media keeps talking about it. have you considered reaching out to the media? |
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From: ryan, [DNS_Address]
Subject: Re: The Clock Is Ticking on Kamala Harris
| it is quite obvious that ot is a repug shill...he has all their talking points down pat...and no engagement other than to throw shade...still not convinced he isn't a bot... |
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From: Redhart, [DNS_Address]
Subject: Re: The Clock Is Ticking on Kamala Harris
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He's only here to try to discredit Harris (or try, he is not good at it). Bring up "Trump" and he yells troll or off topic lol. Constantly trying to reframe truth, facts or even other posters. spin spin spin. No idea where he lives, what he does, or anything else. He lacks credibility of any kind. He's transparent, and not slick about what he's doing. |
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From: old timer, [DNS_Address]
Subject: Re: The Clock Is Ticking on Kamala Harris
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pretty dirty of me to share a politico article written by their senior political columnist and politics bureau chief isn’t it? lol too funny |
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From: Redhart, [DNS_Address]
Subject: Re: The Clock Is Ticking on Kamala Harris
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Why does it matter that it comes from Politico? A bad opinion is still a bad opinion. Yours included. Just because a source passes a source ck, doesn't mean everything there is a pearl of wisdom that can't be argued lol. It doesn't mean we MUST agree with it, does it? you're the one that is too funny LOL |
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From: old timer, [DNS_Address]
Subject: Re: The Clock Is Ticking on Kamala Harris
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what seems really stupid is claiming i’m only here to try to discredit kamala when all i’m doing is sharing mainstream articles such as an article by the top political person at one of the largest, most liberal political media outlets. ironically i’m doing it because you challenged me to. think i won that dare lol |
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From: ryan, [DNS_Address]
Subject: Re: The Clock Is Ticking on Kamala Harris
| lol...you only post articles that put harris in a bad light, or losing ground...in other words, you're consistently trying to discredit harris...so you are lying again... |
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From: Redhart, [DNS_Address]
Subject: Re: The Clock Is Ticking on Kamala Harris
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Uh..discrediting her "with" cherry picked articles (or attempting to). Politico, as a whole, tends to lean left but that doesn't mean it doesn't also carry articles by non-left authors or even authors that "spin" right. It doesn't even mean that everyone is going to agree with the interpretation of known facts. Same with the hill..it has a lot of moderate and even left flavored articles, and it also has right-spun articles and authors. Their opinion section is not fact checked. At least they're not "Daily Mail" lol. |
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From: old timer, [DNS_Address]
Subject: Re: The Clock Is Ticking on Kamala Harris
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you don’t seem to complain about cherry picked articles that talk about some minor gop flunky no one has ever heard of doing something wrong. made clear the whole time i’m posting articles that wouldn’t otherwise be posted here. many here would like to pretend the negatives never apply to democrats and yet the media puts these things out daily |
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From: Redhart, [DNS_Address]
Subject: Re: The Clock Is Ticking on Kamala Harris
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So Trump is a minor gop flunky now? You're bitch was that Kamala criticized Trump. She has every right to. So do I. So do you, unless you're being instructed you're not allowed. You have reverted to attempting to refrain this as something else, now lol. twist, rattle and roll OT |
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From: old timer, [DNS_Address]
Subject: Re: The Clock Is Ticking on Kamala Harris
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you are sounding a bit desperate red. and it wasn’t my bitch, it the opinion of the head of politico’s political bureau. i tend to agree as do many others from what i’ve been reading watching the kamala town hall and anyone playing a drinking game based on how many times she mentions trump will need a ride home tonight |
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From: Redhart, [DNS_Address]
Subject: Re: The Clock Is Ticking on Kamala Harris
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Since he's saying some very dangerous hitler-esque things, of course she is. Why would she not try to warn the country? You have no sense...whoever you are. |
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From: ryan, [DNS_Address]
Subject: Re: The Clock Is Ticking on Kamala Harris
| she made your boy look pretty bad...not hard to do i admit, cuz that's what he is...but she laid it out, clear and concise... |
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From: ryan, [DNS_Address]
Subject: Re: The Clock Is Ticking on Kamala Harris
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Who won the day? Harris Harris won the day because she capitalized on Donald Trump’s own former chief of staff sounding the alarm about his former boss’ fascination with fascism — and scored in a new swing-state poll. Adam Wren Adam Wren 10/23/2024, 10:21pm ET Kamala Harris has approached the final sprint of her campaign needing to do at least two things that are occasionally in conflict: Raise the stakes of a second Donald Trump term by talking about the past, and also talk to voters about their futures in a way that brings in new constituencies. On Wednesday, an exogenous event gave the vice president the chance to do the former while new polling showed she was achieving the latter. Echoing Trump’s former chief of staff John Kelly’s misgivings, a phalanx of former Trump officials sounded alarms about what they described as the former president’s fascistic impulses and fixation with Hilter and his generals. “Does he have authoritarian tendencies? Yes,” Elizabeth Neumann, a former senior Homeland Security official in the Trump administration who has endorsed Harris, told POLITICO. “Is he kind of leaning towards that ultra-nationalism component? Absolutely. That is kind of his brand, right? He’s made nationalism the new definition of the Republican Party.” In her CNN town hall Wednesday evening, Harris called Kelly’s warnings a “911 call to the American people.” Trump, predictably, took the bait, lashing out at the storyline in a Truth Social post, calling Kelly “a LOWLIFE, and a bad General, whose advice in the White House I no longer sought, and told him to MOVE ON!” Harris’ campaign capitalized on these Trump detractors throughout the day, and announced a mega rally at the Ellipse, the same place where he delivered his speech before the Jan. 6 riot at the Capitol — a reference to the past. But perhaps more importantly, Harris showed Wednesday her message about the future may be breaking through. "On every economic issue surveyed, Kamala Harris has closed the trust gap or even surpassed Trump as the candidate that swing-state voters trust more,” according to a new Bloomberg News/Morning Consult poll of the battleground states. And with that, Harris won the day. |
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From: Redhart, [DNS_Address]
Subject: Re: The Clock Is Ticking on Kamala Harris
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I have not watched any coverage on the town hall, but I did watch the town hall last night. But, what this author (Adam Wren) is what I also came away with. Then I watched Agatha All Along, because woman does not live on politics alone. Hoping to read more coverage of the event today (finishing up my coffee first). |
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From: old timer, [DNS_Address]
Subject: Re: The Clock Is Ticking on Kamala Harris
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funny, this thread started out with politico’s bureau chief saying she is running out of time to talk about herself and her policies and she just spent another prime time hour of tv time talking about trump tick tock, tick tock |
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From: ryan, [DNS_Address]
Subject: Re: The Clock Is Ticking on Kamala Harris
| ayep, she ripped him good too...and showed, once again, who she is... |
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From: Redhart, [DNS_Address]
Subject: Re: The Clock Is Ticking on Kamala Harris
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I guess OT thinks she should act like Trump and never talk about Harris...oh wait, he doesn't do that, does he. In fact, she'll probably be on his "enemies within" list for the execution of his political enemies. Sure, Americans don't need to know that little detail. He can call her names, threaten her, make up things about her, but according to OT, she's not allowed to warn about him. Makes total sense. And, btw, answered a lot of questions about her plans. She talked about the passing of her mother and grief (Anderson's question). She talked about sandwich Americans (taking care of children AND elders), economics, foreign policy, etc. Trump talks about using the DOJ to get "the enemy within", with explicit names like Schiff and Pelosi as examples.. Trump talks about rounding up millions of illegals and putting them in concentration camps..also, legals (like legal haitians with legal status).. Tattooes on their children to keep track of them. across the board tariffs that'll raise inflation for everyone, while deregulating everything and cutting tax breaks for the rich. He wants to get rid of child labor laws, eliminate overtime and things like minimum wage. Going to be hard to buy a house on $4.50 an hour, especially if you're sick because you know SS, disability and medicare will be cut. Old and sick people are a waste of "his" money, after all. Trump talks about arresting journalist who are critical of him and using the military to shoot protesters who dare to disagree with him... Trump talks about ditching Ukraine, withdrawing from Nato and sends his son in law to check out the good resort land in Gaza.. I could go on and on. Those are just a few of his highlights. You're damn right she should be talking about him and those things. These are massive alarms for all Americans who believe in freedom and the constitution. From what I can see, Harris is fighting the same war in a political arena that my father fought in a physical one in WWII. Damn right she should be talking about him. He's freaking insane and dangerous and of the lowest moral character I've ever seen. Like a clown with a Uzi, he'll destroy our country from within. |
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From: ryan, [DNS_Address]
Subject: Re: The Clock Is Ticking on Kamala Harris
| that's called deflection... |
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From: old timer, [DNS_Address]
Subject: Re: The Clock Is Ticking on Kamala Harris
| you do struggle with definitions don’t you? |
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From: old timer, [DNS_Address]
Subject: Re: The Clock Is Ticking on Kamala Harris
| your insecurities are showing lol |
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From: Nevada, [DNS_Address]
Subject: Re: The Clock Is Ticking on Kamala Harris
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...ot's political leanings are not the democrats biggest problem ryan, the fact Kamala can't connect to the undecided voters is. Democrats should have gone with Tulsi. |
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From: Redhart, [DNS_Address]
Subject: Re: The Clock Is Ticking on Kamala Harris
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Eww. Tulsi. I think you have a crush on her. She doesn't turn me on at all, sorry. I find her duplicite and scheming and not to be trusted by anyone, and we part on many values. |
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From: old timer, [DNS_Address]
Subject: Re: The Clock Is Ticking on Kamala Harris
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small minds tend to strike out at anyone close to them when they hear things they don’t like. that’s why those 2 constantly attack people here. this article was written by politico’s senior political columnist and politics bureau chief. so fucking bizarre they think attacking me will do anything to change what is happening in the world and this isn’t the only recent column talking about kamala’s focus on trump instead of herself is not a message that will close the deal with undecided voters |
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From: Redhart, [DNS_Address]
Subject: Re: The Clock Is Ticking on Kamala Harris
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Oh, that's right..she's not allowed to critize her opponent. If Trump wins, he'll make sure no one is allowed to. Only he can criticize others...like calling Harris retarded and so many other things? He's as thin-skinned and insecure as they come. A sign of weakness, not a leader. A sign of lack of character. The only ones impressed with Arnold Palmers penis size are those who don't have any. Tells Americans a lot. |
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From: ryan, [DNS_Address]
Subject: Re: The Clock Is Ticking on Kamala Harris
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i see why you like her so much now...it must be love...lol... Tulsi Gabbard says she’s joining the GOP at Trump rally in North Carolina by Sarah Fortinsky - 10/22/24 11:04 PM ET AP Photo/Alex Brandon Former Democratic Rep. Tulsi Gabbard (Hawaii) announced on Tuesday that she is joining the Republican Party, cementing her separation from the party she sought to represent just four years earlier. Tulsi made the announcement at a rally for former President Trump, whose 2024 presidential bid she formally endorsed in August. “It is because of my love for our country and, specifically, because of the leadership that President Trump has brought to transform the Republican Party and bring it back to the party of the people and the party of peace, that I’m proud to stand here with you today, President Trump, and announce that I’m joining the Republican Party,” Gabbard said on stage at the rally, with Trump a few feet behind. The audience responded with raucous applause, and Trump smiled approvingly and clapped. “I’m joining the party of the people, the party of equality, the party that was founded to fight against and end slavery in this country. It is the party of common sense, and the party that is led by a president, who has the courage and strength to fight for peace,” she continued. Gabbard opted not to run again for her House seat in 2020, instead joining the crowded Democratic primary, which resulted in President Biden winning the nomination and, ultimately, the presidency. Gabbard, a National Guard veteran who served two tours of duty in the Middle East, has long been critical of the Democratic establishment, especially of the country’s engagement in wars in that region. Sign up for the Morning Report The latest in politics and policy. Direct to your inbox. By signing up, I agree to the Terms of Use, have reviewed the Privacy Policy, and to receive personalized offers and communications via email, on-site notifications, and targeted advertising using my email address from The Hill, Nexstar Media Inc., and its affiliates She was the sole Democrat to vote “present” when Trump was impeached for the first time in 2019. She supported Sen. Bernie Sanders (I-Vt.) for president in 2016 and ultimately endorsed Biden in 2020. Gabbard left the Democratic Party two years later, becoming an independent. She has continued to campaign for high-profile Republicans and is a frequent commentator on conservative media. |
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From: Nevada, [DNS_Address]
Subject: Re: The Clock Is Ticking on Kamala Harris
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...the 6 percent of the votes that Tulsi now represents could have gone to Kamala if the democrats had been more inclusive in their "friends" list. Need we even mention the 16% RFK could have provided if asked nicely? ot had nothing to do with that little oversight. How about an apology for him? |
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From: shadow, [DNS_Address]
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LOL!!! Ah Nevada... Thanks, that was a good one... |
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From: ryan, [DNS_Address]
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| in your dreams... |
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From: ryan, [DNS_Address]
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| lol...back to your hole plebe... |
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From: ryan, [DNS_Address]
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| why is it odd? that's who she is running against... |
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From: ao, [DNS_Address]
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sounds like a writer with a deadline.. clickbait |
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