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From: old timer, [DNS_Address]
Subject: Tim Walz Said He Was in Hong Kong in 1989 During Tiananmen. Not True.
URL: Tim Walz Said He Was in Hong Kong in 1989 During Tiananmen. Not True.
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Tim Walz Said He Was in Hong Kong in 1989 During Tiananmen. Not True. Mr. Walz taught at a high school in China as part of a program sending American teachers abroad, but he did not actually travel to the country until August 1989. Danny HakimAmy Qin By Danny Hakim and Amy Qin Published Oct. 1, 2024 Updated Oct. 2, 2024, 11:03 a.m. ET Repeatedly over the years, Gov. Tim Walz of Minnesota has said that the year he spent teaching in China began with a trip to Hong Kong during the pro-democracy protests in the spring of 1989 that culminated in the deadly crackdown that June in Tiananmen Square in Beijing. As recently as February, Mr. Walz said on a podcast that he had been in Hong Kong, then a British colony, “on June 4 when Tiananmen happened,” and decided to cross into mainland China to take up his teaching duties even though many people were urging him not to. Mr. Walz had told the same story a decade earlier, at a congressional hearing, when he testified that he “was in Hong Kong in May 1989,” adding, “As the events were unfolding, several of us went in. I still remember the train station in Hong Kong.” But it was not true. Mr. Walz, the Democratic vice-presidential nominee, indeed taught at a high school in China as part of a program sending American teachers abroad, but he did not actually travel to the country until August 1989. ADVERTISEMENT SKIP ADVERTISEMENT Contemporaneous news reports in Nebraska indicated that Mr. Walz was still in his home state during the spring and did not leave for China until August. And his campaign said on Tuesday that it did not dispute those accounts. Mr. Walz’s version of events, which he related as a member of Congress in 2014 and has been repeated by his campaign staff and reported by The New York Times and other news organizations, put him close to the scene of one of the most dramatic episodes in modern history. While the political climate in China was still turbulent and uncertain by that August, it was in the spring of 1989 that students protested for democratic reforms, until a military crackdown on June 3 and 4 — in which protesters, soldiers and bystanders were killed — reverberated around the world. More In Politics What Happens Next in Hunter Biden’s Criminal CasesOct. 2, 2024 Fact-Checking Vance and Walz on the Campaign TrailOct. 1, 2024 Who Won the Debate? A Crisp Vance Fends Off WalzOct. 2, 2024 Mr. Walz has suggested he showed courage in following through on his plans to enter China to teach, when others in the same program backed out. August still was a fraught and chaotic time to enter the country. ADVERTISEMENT SKIP ADVERTISEMENT “Quite a few of our folks decided not to go in,” Mr. Walz said in February on “Pod Save America.” “My thinking at the time was, what a golden opportunity to go tell, you know, how it was,” he continued. “And I did have a lot of freedom to do that. Taught American history and could tell the story.” Mr. Walz also said he was in Hong Kong “on June 4, 1989,” during a radio interview in 2019, and during a 2009 hearing of a Congressional- Executive Commission on China that commemorated the Tiananmen Square protests, CNN reported on Tuesday. Asked for an explanation of why Mr. Walz had repeatedly described himself as having left Nebraska months earlier than he actually had, his campaign offered none. Behind the Journalism Behind the Journalism 2024 campaign issues Misinformation. Our reporters with deep experience covering technology, media and politics are tracking the spread of misleading information and its real-world effects in the 2024 elections. Read our latest reporting on misinformation The timing of Mr. Walz’s initial journey to China was first questioned on Monday by Minnesota Public Radio. Mr. Walz graduated in May 1989 from Chadron State College in Chadron, Neb. Among other things, a small article in The Chadron Record on Aug. 11 of that year said Mr. Walz was leaving that Sunday to teach in China. ADVERTISEMENT SKIP ADVERTISEMENT The Harris-Walz campaign did not offer any official comment for this article on Tuesday, beyond saying it would not dispute that Mr. Walz had spoken erroneously about the timing. Mr. Walz was preparing for his appearance in New York at a debate Tuesday night against Senator JD Vance, the Republican nominee for vice president. Mr. Walz has also said that he traveled to China about 30 times — as a teacher, he took students on a number of trips to the country — but his campaign this week put the number of trips from the United States to China at closer to 15. Shortly after Vice President Kamala Harris chose Mr. Walz as her running mate in August, the campaign sent a summary of Mr. Walz’s experience in China in response to questions from a Times reporter. Asked when exactly in 1989 Mr. Walz arrived in China, a campaign spokesman said that “Governor Walz arrived in Hong Kong in late spring, was in Hong Kong during protests and, instead of leaving, went into China to do his teaching job.” The campaign also referred to several interviews and articles in which Mr. Walz had described his experience in China. The links included the February interview with the “Pod Save America” podcast. ADVERTISEMENT SKIP ADVERTISEMENT While falsehoods have long been a staple of speeches by the Republican nominee, Donald J. Trump, his campaign has seized on inaccuracies that have surfaced in Mr. Walz’s past remarks. Mr. Walz has faced intense scrutiny over his service in the National Guard, in particular a remark that he made in 2018 saying that he had carried weapons of war “in war.” Mr. Walz did not serve in combat, and the Harris campaign has said that he misspoke. Republicans have also attacked Mr. Walz for making misleading statements about the infertility treatment he and his wife used. Mr. Walz has said that his family used in vitro fertilization to start a family. But the Harris-Walz campaign recently clarified that the couple had not relied on I.V.F. but rather on another common fertility procedure called intrauterine insemination, or I.U.I. Mr. Walz has also given different versions of the story of his drunken driving arrest in 1995. In 2006, during his first run for Congress, his campaign blamed the partial hearing loss he had sustained while serving in a field artillery unit for what he called a miscommunication with the state trooper who pulled him over. When the issue came up again during his run for governor in 2018, Mr. Walz acknowledged the sobriety issue and said he had been watching college football on the evening he was arrested. In 2022, a news outlet in Minnesota obtained a transcript of his plea hearing from March 1996, showing that Mr. Walz had a blood alcohol level of 0.128, well over Nebraska’s legal limit of 0.1 at the time. Mr. Walz now says he no longer drinks alcohol. ADVERTISEMENT SKIP ADVERTISEMENT While China in later years became a popular destination for many young, ambitious Americans looking to study and work abroad — Usha Vance, Mr. Vance’s wife, also did a brief teaching fellowship in southern China in the 2000s — it was hardly a hot spot when Mr. Walz first arrived. At the time, China was still opening up after several decades of turbulence under Chairman Mao Zedong when student-led protests in Beijing evolved into a passionate movement to protest official corruption and call for democracy. Overnight on June 3, 1989, Chinese soldiers cracked down, killing hundreds — some say thousands — of protesters and bystanders in Beijing, and setting off bloody confrontations in other Chinese cities. Countless demonstrators were imprisoned, while others, including many foreigners who had not participated in the protests, fled the country. For several years afterward, China faced international condemnation as well as economic sanctions and political isolation. |
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From: Redhart, [DNS_Address]
Subject: Re: Tim Walz Said He Was in Hong Kong in 1989 During Tiananmen. Not...
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Yes, 35 yrs ago..he got the month wrong. Then he apologized for the error and bad memory. Meanwhile, vance was trying to see that Trump saved Obamacare?????????? Think he'll apologize too? There's no equivalence and the 1989 memory failure in no way makes up for Vances (and Trump's) full out, big whopper lies and attempts to actually re-write history to favor themselves. But, the pundits predicted Trump would attempt to make a big deal of this little speck....because, that's all he's got. Sure enough, here you are spreading the punditry talking points for the right, making that prophecy come true like a good little soldier. This is where you attack me, call me a troll then pivot to something "not Trump" or Vance to change the subject. |
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From: old timer, [DNS_Address]
Subject: Re: Tim Walz Said He Was in Hong Kong in 1989 During Tiananmen. Not...
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it is a pattern isn’t it. man has been lying about things like this his whole political career, from his rank, carrying weapons in war, ivf for his wife, that he was in hong kong during tiananmen square. what was it he said when they asked him about it? oh, he said he was a knucklehead and then rambled some more lol |
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From: Redhart, [DNS_Address]
Subject: Re: Tim Walz Said He Was in Hong Kong in 1989 During Tiananmen. Not...
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He's a normal guy, a governor and a family man. Not weird, calling single women "cat ladies" or insinuating that someone that doesn't have children not be able to vote. You're sucking up too much of the koolaid, my friend. |
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From: old timer, [DNS_Address]
Subject: Re: Tim Walz Said He Was in Hong Kong in 1989 During Tiananmen. Not...
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a normal guy who the media is pointing out has spent his entire political career lying. the new york times article listed several example including his lies about his dui arrest, that his family didn’t use ivf, saying he carried a weapon of war in war, claimed a retired rank higher than actual and of course this claim he was in hong kong during tiananmen square. instead of normal guy his own description of being a knucklehead seems more accurate lol |
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From: Redhart, [DNS_Address]
Subject: Re: Tim Walz Said He Was in Hong Kong in 1989 During Tiananmen. Not...
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"a normal guy who the media is pointing out has spent his entire political career lying..." You mean Trump? He's the biggest liar any of us has seen in our whole lives. The Bigliest. There's no comparison. I'll take 10 Walzes who's served their country and communities his whole life rather than even one Trump anywhere near an office again. |
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From: ao, [DNS_Address]
Subject: Re: Tim Walz Said He Was in Hong Kong in 1989 During Tiananmen. Not...
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"it is a pattern isn’t it" Like the pattern seen here? You know the one where GOP shills post articles that lend themselves to the GOP good Dems bad narrative and then spend hours filling reams of posts with gibberish rather than acknowledge the observations of the OP's respondents. Same pattern.. day after day.. So, do you really want to take patterns? |
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From: old timer, [DNS_Address]
Subject: Re: Tim Walz Said He Was in Hong Kong in 1989 During Tiananmen. Not...
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it does seem odd walz says so many untrue things knowing the media will fact check him. at least he admits he is a knucklehead lol |
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From: ao, [DNS_Address]
Subject: Re: Tim Walz Said He Was in Hong Kong in 1989 During Tiananmen. Not...
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Yeah.. he's human.. unlike the shills that lick Trump's ass and regurgitated the shit.. I love your reference to patterns.. man look at the patterns spelled out in the just now unsealed DOJ filing. Dude.. that doc rips your boy to shreds.. we're talking patterns here bro. Patterns left right and center.. Kinda similar to the patterns he shoved down his followers throat whenever he drones on and on.. lock whoever up blah blah blah.. Yeah OT.. patterns. |
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From: old timer, [DNS_Address]
Subject: Re: Tim Walz Said He Was in Hong Kong in 1989 During Tiananmen. Not...
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well most politicians even though they are human know better than to constantly lie about their history and experiences. they know the media will fact check what they do. but tim walz is apparently an admitted knucklehead and has done a lot of it and the media is now exposing it |
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From: Redhart, [DNS_Address]
Subject: Re: Tim Walz Said He Was in Hong Kong in 1989 During Tiananmen. Not...
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That's your framing, not most American voters. I found him endearing. |
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From: old timer, [DNS_Address]
Subject: Re: Tim Walz Said He Was in Hong Kong in 1989 During Tiananmen. Not...
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you also found pedo pete endearing. seems to be a pattern of you finding politicians with a d beside their name endearing no matter what |
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From: Redhart, [DNS_Address]
Subject: Re: Tim Walz Said He Was in Hong Kong in 1989 During Tiananmen. Not...
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who? Who's that? I'm not immersed in the fake news world like apparently you are. You need a napkin? You got a little koolaid dripping from your chin, hon. |
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From: shadow, [DNS_Address]
Subject: Re: Tim Walz Said He Was in Hong Kong in 1989 During Tiananmen. Not...
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And here's Old Timer gunning for a new level of absurdity in posting........lololololololol... ...and the bellylaughs keep coming... ;D |
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From: Redhart, [DNS_Address]
Subject: Re: Tim Walz Said He Was in Hong Kong in 1989 During Tiananmen. Not...
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right? He's a riot today. Sorry, too soon after jan 6th? |
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From: ao, [DNS_Address]
Subject: Re: Tim Walz Said He Was in Hong Kong in 1989 During Tiananmen. Not...
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“Make them riot” See any patterns there? |
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From: old timer, [DNS_Address]
Subject: Re: Tim Walz Said He Was in Hong Kong in 1989 During Tiananmen. Not...
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walz does seem to have a pattern of lying, but at least he was honest in labeling himself a knucklehead. what does that mean, is he saying he’s not smart enough to lie well? |
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From: Redhart, [DNS_Address]
Subject: Re: Tim Walz Said He Was in Hong Kong in 1989 During Tiananmen. Not...
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so, that's the branding the GOP is going with? Walz is a constant liar? You keep repeating that, even though the events Walz was talking about happened years ago (I can relate to getting terms and dates off). But it's completely okay that suddenly Vance is "abortion is okay" and Trump is now claiming he saved Obamacare when we watched him, over and over, try to tank it...even during Covid when people couldn't afford to lose their health insurance! And, after all these years of promising a health care plan, he has a "concept" that he's not willing to share? WTF Ot? You've aligned yourself with the biggest liar in history and you're attempting to attack whether someone was in Vietnam in August or April 35 yrs ago..that has nothing to do with with policies on the table today? That's some high-falootin' bs there, OT. And, it's not selling well, but we see you trying. A Mountain of full on, purposeful lies vs a moehill of mismemory? You've got to be kidding. You're chosen spin is quite a joke. |
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From: ao, [DNS_Address]
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"You're chosen spin is quite a joke." You're too kind. |
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From: old timer, [DNS_Address]
Subject: Re: Tim Walz Said He Was in Hong Kong in 1989 During Tiananmen. Not...
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where is the gop in any of this? this thread is based on a nyt article about walz pattern of lying giving many examples of his lies. please try to stay on topic |
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From: Redhart, [DNS_Address]
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"They're eating the dogs!" (Trump's latest big lie) I have a hard time taking you serious, OT. |
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From: old timer, [DNS_Address]
Subject: Re: Tim Walz Said He Was in Hong Kong in 1989 During Tiananmen. Not...
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“ I have a hard time taking you serious, OT.” do you also have a hard time taking the nyt serious? they are the ones who detailed knucklehead walz’s lies |
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From: Redhart, [DNS_Address]
Subject: Re: Tim Walz Said He Was in Hong Kong in 1989 During Tiananmen. Not...
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You're only focusing attention on how big a real liar Trump and JD are in comparison with these posts. Was that your intention? I can live with knucklehead..it's kinda cute. Rapist Felon Convict Cheater Thief Adulterer Dictator... not so much |
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From: old timer, [DNS_Address]
Subject: Re: Tim Walz Said He Was in Hong Kong in 1989 During Tiananmen. Not...
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did you just say but trump, but trump, but trump? lol why do you never respond on topic? |
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From: Redhart, [DNS_Address]
Subject: Re: Tim Walz Said He Was in Hong Kong in 1989 During Tiananmen. Not...
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You brought up lying. That's Trump's middle name. You're making me laugh you're so obvious now lol. |
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From: shadow, [DNS_Address]
Subject: Re: Tim Walz Said He Was in Hong Kong in 1989 During Tiananmen. Not...
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Why do you think Redhart and others are don't know the difference between an actual reply in English, and spin? ...lolololo.... |
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From: ao, [DNS_Address]
Subject: Re: Tim Walz Said He Was in Hong Kong in 1989 During Tiananmen. Not...
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"please try to stay on topic" please take your nonsense to twit. |
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From: ao, [DNS_Address]
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